Emails between Kachinsky, O'Kelly, Krantz, and Wiegert that prove without a doubt MOK and Len were actively working with prosecution to convict Brendan.
"Steve Avery needs to be removed from society."
"Brendan needs to be alone. When he sees me this Friday I will be a source of relief. He and I can begin to bond. He needs to trust me and the direction that I steer him into."
First three documents under the "Brendan Dassey" section of this page:
http://stevenaverycase.com/source-documents/
Source:
http://static1.squarespace.com/static/5691be1b25981daa98f417c8/t/569739261115e0cae7fe2fdb/1452751142676/20312830370+brendan+dassey+meetin+on+may+12.pdfThe_crazy_bird_lady
A few things that Brendan Dassey admitted to in the confession that put him behind bars self.MakingaMurderer
submitted by meermortal
submitted by HowardFanForever
Referenced here:
http://stevenaverycase.com/brendan-dasseys-involvement/#sthash.NR87X4Ww.dpbs
"That night, police visited Brendan and his mother at a lodge they had been sent to for protection. The discussions had that night are unrecorded."
Did this actually happen? Was it brought up at Brendan's trial? I can't find mention of this interview anywhere except the above website. Thanks for the help.
[–]Pantherpad 11 points 1 day ago
For their protection, interesting... Odd how some events in this case are so "well handled" and "all precautions taken" and then others are like "Oops, did we forget to check the ex and roommates alibis?". Or "Wait, nobody took pics of the human remains we found before we dumped them all in boxes?", "Manitowoc was not supposed to be involved? Yeah we heard something like that but didn't understand what they meant, but at least we saved the day finding all that evidence, so what's the big?" They did however do an excellent job of detailing the chain of custody for master keys and locks that they purchased to secure said evidence. There's that.
[–]MrDoradus 6 points 1 day ago*
I've checked the new reports, nothing was mentioned about this. If it happened, which I don't doubt, it was done off the record apparently.
Seeing how he was arrested after the interrogation, this "unrecorded" interview at the lodge was done the day before his full "confession". Mighty convenient if that's the case.
Edit: it is in the reports, just a day earlier, p. 513, still remains mighty convenient and a blatant "confession building exercise". This rabbit hole never ends.
[–]ApocalypticCynic 1 point 1 day ago
The amount of shenanigans conducted "off the record" in this case is unfathomable.
[–]dillstar 6 points 1 day ago
Convoluted Brian also has a timeline for these interviews. The Fox Hills interview is mentioned in the March 1 interview as the time that the bleached jeans were first mentioned. I don't know if there is an earlier reference to bleached jeans that happened at the school or at Two Rivers.
http://www.convolutedbrian.com/dassey_confessions_links.html
[–]sophiegirl14 5 points 1 day ago
I heard that there was an interview done off the record with Brendan and they got in his face and really went after him. In one of the other interviews they apologized for doing it and said it wouldn't happen again. Apparently this is when the coercision began if you ask me. This is when they started scaring the kid into a confession.
[–]Classic_Griswald 3 points 1 day ago
First interview at the school. In his appeals papers too it says they were speaking to him in the car unrecorded. "About girls and stuff"
I just can't picture them apologizing for 'getting in his face' without it being for a good reason. they also state, 'we're gonna let you talk this time instead'
That was letting him talk. If that was letting him talk, then holy shit, they must think they're ventriloquists or something.
[–]Canuck64 2 points 1 day ago*
I believe it was Sgt Tyson who went and spoke to Brendan and Barb that night at around 11:30 pm. It was during that interview that the bleach on the jeans came up.
(edit) It's not mentioned in the report below, but it was referred to during the March 1 interrogation.
[–]Canuck64 3 points 1 day ago*
February 27, 2006
"Arrangements were ultimately made for BARBARA JANDA and her son, BRENDAN DASSEY, to go to FOX HILLS RESORT for the evening. Inv. WIEGERT did transport BARBARA and her son. BRENDAN. to the FOX HILLS RESORT and I did follow. A room was secured at the FOX HILLS RESORT for BARBARA and BRENDAN until interviews could be completed by the investigators. Inv. DEDERING did telephone me and did request that I ask BRENDAN if he observed STEVEN AVERY's burn barrel burning on Halloween night in 2005. Inv. DEDERING also requested that I ask BRENDAN if he saw STEVEN with an edged weapon or if he had seen him shoot a .22 caliber gun.
Upon speaking with BRENDAN, I asked him if he observed STEVEN's burn barrel buming on Halloween night or the next day and BRENDAN informed me he did not recall that. BARBARA also informed me she could not recall if the burn barrel was burning on Halloween night or the next day. I asked BRENDAN if had seen STEVEN with an edged weapon on that evening and BRENDAN told me he did not. I asked BRENDAN if he had ever seen STEVEN shoot a .22 caliber gun and BRENDAN told me he did not recall at any time seeing STEVEN shoot a firearm. "
[–]richard-kimble 2 points 1 day ago
until interviews could be completed by the investigators
I get the impression that Sgt Tyson's questions were in addition to the "investigators" interview, but I don't know.
I don't know how to do the quote thing on Reddit.
Use the "greater than" symbol at the start of the quoted text (that's the arrow tip pointing to the right).
[–]Canuck64 1 point 1 day ago
Thanks!
[–]ahhhreallynow 2 points 1 day ago
Weigert statement: After finishing the interview with BRENDAN, we did take BRENDAN back to the MISHICOT FIRE STATION where we met with several other detectives. We did make arrangements for BARBARA and BRENDAN to stay at FOX HILLS RESORT on the night of 02/27/06 for their safety"
Tyson statement: "Arrangements were ultimately made for BARBARA JANDA and her son, BRENDAN DASSEY, to go to FOX HILLS RESORT for the evening. Inv. WIEGERT did transport BARBARA and her son. BRENDAN. to the FOX HILLS RESORT and I did follow. A room was secured at the FOX HILLS RESORT for BARBARA and BRENDAN until interviews could be completed by the investigators. Inv. DEDERING did telephone me and did request that I ask BRENDAN if he observed STEVEN AVERY's burn barrel burning on Halloween night in 2005. Inv. DEDERING also requested that I ask BRENDAN if he saw STEVEN with an edged weapon or if he had seen him shoot a .22 caliber gun. Upon speaking with BRENDAN, I asked him if he observed STEVEN's burn barrel burning on Halloween night or the next day and BRENDAN informed me he did not recall that. BARBARA also informed me she could not recall if the bum barrel was buming on Halloween night or the next day. I asked BRENDAN if had seen STEVEN with an edged weapon on that evening and BRENDAN told me he did not. I asked BRENDAN if he had ever seen STEVEN shoot a .22 caliber gun and BRENDAN told me he did not recall at any time seeing STEVEN shoot a firearm."
[–]CuriousMeeee 2 points 1 day ago
I think its beyond strange when Steven Avery was arrested he was transferred to a meeting place that was a hotel to be picked up by another department. His stay was probably 20 minutes. Did Avery have to go sit in a room and wait for his transfer to the jail. If so, how come? Was that hotel used as a frequent check in for anyone, any department, or etc.
Is the itemized expense report for the entire investigation available to the public?
[–]dark-dare 2 points 1 day ago
Protection from who, someone was after them, one night?
[–]NewsCamera 2 points 1 day ago*
Here's a concise list of known Brendan Dassey interviews:
[11/06/2005] Intv. with Brendan alone in unmarked police vehicle by Skorlinksi/Baldwin (no recording available).
[11/10/2005] Intv. with Brendan alone in Crivitz by Skorlinksi/Baldwin (no recordings made).
[02/27/2006] Intv. with Brendan alone at Mishcot High School (audio recording).
[02/27/2006] Intv. with Brendan alone at Two Rivers Police Dept. (videotaped).
[02/27/2006] Intv. with Brendan, with Barbara Janda present, at Mishcot Fire Hall (no recordings made).
[02/27/2006] Intv. with Brendan, with Barbara Janda present, at Fox Hills Resort (no recordings made).
[03/01/2006] Intv. with Brendan alone in police vehicle (audio recording).
[03/01/2006] Intv. with Brendan alone by investigators Fassbender/Wiegert (four-hours, videotaped).
[05/13/2006] Intv. with Brendan alone by investigators Fassbender/Wiegert (videotaped).
Note: Got this figured out thanks to dillstar's link to "convolutedbrian.com" website, and others who contributed to this sub. Thank you! Any errors or omissions are welcomed! Also, I just found angieb15's far more awesome timelines at the end of this thread! Thanks, Angie! Also just found Classic_Griswald's excellent thread on the topic. Thanks, Gris!
[–]Traveler430 1 point 1 day ago
It was in the Fox Hills Resort.
Evidence Suppression Ruling - Avery Trial
I hope the new lawyers are tearing this sh*t apart. It's pretty evident to me that the court considered no one would give-an-eff about this case and ruled however they saw fit for the prosecution, citing cases with completely different scenarios for precedence and even citing facts that contradict their own rulings.
Obviously I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think one needs to be to see that:
1) The very beginning of the document clearly states that the warrant was issued for three "separately denominated areas" - the first area being the defendant's single family trailer and detached garage. The third SEPARATELY DENOMINATED AREA was the 40-acre parcel which comprises the Avery Auto Salvage business.
- The court somehow ruled that since the area to be searched was so large, a single search effort would not be enough and since the trailer is on the 40-acre property, it fell under the scope of being an area too large to search in a single effort. This very obviously no longer denominates the trailer as a separate entity, but instead groups it together with the 40 acre property and is not what the search warrant granted.
2) Since number one is questionable at the very best, this documents tries to assert reasons why the trailer in fact needed multiple searches citing arbitrary reasoning and then redundancies for the redundant searches.
- After the initial thorough search of the trailer was completed, this document states: "Fassbender further testified that while the representatives of local police agencies are allowed to collect evidence, in cases where the State is called in for a homicide investigation, he always uses Crime Lab technicians to collect evidence." Thereby justifying a second search by the Crime Lab - his "always" method of doing things is fine but how can it be used for a justification for breaking the law? - Totally arbitrary.
3) Further ridiculous justifications for re-entry after the Crime Lab has COMPLETED their search: After the Crime Lab completed their work and left the premises, re-entry is ordered (by who?) to get the serial number for a computer that had been seen in the initial searches. Colborn and Tyson do so. A second search warrant is granted to seize the computer. So now a 2nd search warrant has been granted based on redundant illegal searches to begin with. It's all simply justified away because "the court" has ruled it a "continuation of the initial search". This means any subsequent search can be justified by simply calling it a "continuation". To top off these reduncies and arbitrary justifications, now the Crime Lab has supposedly ordered Colburn to collect more swabs of blood that the Crime Lab reported they found while performing their search of the trailer.
- WTF is going on here?
-Fassbender says he only uses the Crime Lab to collect evidence.
- Crime Lab says they use Colborn to collect evidence (after they had completed their search). It makes absolutely no sense and it is fully documented in this report written by The Court. = Conflicting information, redundant argument dependencies.
Continuation of Evidence Suppression Ruling - Avery Trial
Not only that, but this document is full of suggestions for how defendant SHOULD have presented his motion to suppress, but since he didn't do it that way it won't be granted.
The document makes many references to items gathered that sound like real evidence, damning evidence that a murder may have occured in this trailer, but ultimately were of zero significance. It mentions blood, tools, items of clothing, computer. It also makes sure to include that it will, in fact, suppress the pornography findings found because it was not a part of the items that were ordered to be seized, but the key, an absolute cornerstone of the defense's case, is not mentioned ONCE.
They even pull a Kenny K. move and for no necessary reason, they further justify their denial of evidence suppression by stating: "...even if some of the re-entries to the Avery trailer and garage exceeded the scope of the November 5, 2005 search warrant, the information gathered is nevertheless admissible...". They cite a rule that is called "The Inevitable Discovery Rule" that states that ..."if the government can prove that the evidence would have been obtained inevitably and, therefore, would have been admitted regardless of any overreaching by the police, there is no rational basis to keep that evidence from the jury...". That's all fine and good except for the fact that they have video and pictures proving this area was searched already and multiple times, AND TWO search conducting officers (including LENK!) who have already testified that the searches were thorough and they were not able to find this key, yet the discovery is considered "inevitable".
* My favorite part of this document though is this:
"While Lt. Lenk's statement concerning the thoroughness of the search supports the defendant's position, it must be kept in mind that Lt. Lenk was really a mere foot soldier and not a commanding officer in the investigation." Ahhh, okay, so I guess a person that was actually performing the search and testifies to doing so thoroughly should have no bearing on the court's decision. Instead we should listen to Fassbender and Weigert who have admitted repeatedly to not being present during the initial searches due to "such a wide crime scene". This way we get to both justify why we are ignoring the defendant's claims AND allowing even MORE searches because hey, the Investigators in-charge haven't been to the crime scene yet.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/159/ootv/making-murderer-1577186/index106.html
"Making a Murderer," An FBI Agent's Take; Episode 10 [Excerpt]
By Steve Moore
April 12, 2016
CONCLUSIONS:
To be clear, I am certain about some things, because they are self-evident and do not require scientific confirmation. I believe that the evidence provided in the documentary is conclusive proof (at least in my professional opinion) that the prosecution of Steven Avery was conducted by an unscrupulous prosecutor more concerned about a conviction than he was the truth.
The episodes also provided sufficient evidence to prove to me, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Brendan Dassey’s ‘confession’ was absolute, police-fed, fantasy. My strong belief is that Brendan Dassey had nothing to do with the disappearance or murder of Teresa Halbach in any way, though I still want to confirm that with the evidence I have not yet seen.
I believe that from a professional and moral standpoint, Len Kachinsky stabbed Brendan Dassey in the back, and with the help of Michael O’Kelly, bears significant responsibility for the loss of a decade (and counting) of the life of Brendan Dassey.
To be clear, I am certain about some things, because they are self-evident and do not require scientific confirmation. I believe that the evidence provided in the documentary is conclusive proof (at least in my professional opinion) that the prosecution of Steven Avery was conducted by an unscrupulous prosecutor more concerned about a conviction than he was the truth.
The episodes also provided sufficient evidence to prove to me, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Brendan Dassey’s ‘confession’ was absolute, police-fed, fantasy. My strong belief is that Brendan Dassey had nothing to do with the disappearance or murder of Teresa Halbach in any way, though I still want to confirm that with the evidence I have not yet seen.
I believe that from a professional and moral standpoint, Len Kachinsky stabbed Brendan Dassey in the back, and with the help of Michael O’Kelly, bears significant responsibility for the loss of a decade (and counting) of the life of Brendan Dassey.
I am convinced that evidence proves conclusively that Teresa Halbach was not murdered in Steven Avery’s garage or home.
I believe that the investigation conducted by Manitowoc and Calumet County Sheriff’s investigators, as well as Special Agent Fassbender from the Wisconsin Department of Justice was pathetic. It was the result of either gross incompetence or intentional (criminal) evidence planting—or both. I am not yet ready to say where I come down on that aspect.
The rulings and courtroom conduct of Judges Patrick Willis and Jerome Fox were appalling. I personally believe that both judges were strongly biased in favor of the prosecution. How could Judge Fox remove a defense attorney for allowing an unrepresented interrogation of a client, then allow the results of that interrogation to be admitted as evidence?
I believe that the investigation conducted by Manitowoc and Calumet County Sheriff’s investigators, as well as Special Agent Fassbender from the Wisconsin Department of Justice was pathetic. It was the result of either gross incompetence or intentional (criminal) evidence planting—or both. I am not yet ready to say where I come down on that aspect.
The rulings and courtroom conduct of Judges Patrick Willis and Jerome Fox were appalling. I personally believe that both judges were strongly biased in favor of the prosecution. How could Judge Fox remove a defense attorney for allowing an unrepresented interrogation of a client, then allow the results of that interrogation to be admitted as evidence?
LEANINGS
The following are just some of the items about which I have a very preliminary opinion, which I believe might well be influenced by more substantial evidence.
At this juncture I must point out, as I suspected might happen, that I found that I have a tangential involvement with somebody involved in one of these cases. I am the chief investigative officer of an organization known as Judges for Justice, a group of former law enforcement, attorneys and judges as well as former elected officials, who are looking into several cases of alleged wrongful convictions. One of the cases in which I have been significantly involved is the pro bono defense of Christopher Tapp of Idaho Falls, Idaho. Christopher Tapp was convicted of murder approximately 18 years ago in a case strikingly similar to that of Brendan Dassey. In both situations, a person of, at best, low-average intelligence was fed information the police wished to use as testimony against a different suspect. In both cases, that information was used to convict a person who believed their only hope was to cooperate with the police.
Another person involved in the Tapp case is Steve Drizin. Drizin, of course, turns out to be Brendan Dassey’s post-conviction attorney; a fact of which I was not aware. I have never personally met Steve Drizin, and my efforts on the Tapp case were independent of his. We have been on the same E-mail string several times, but I have no recollection of ever even E-mailing him personally. That said, I believe that his conclusions in the Tapp case are spot-on. Mr. Drizin might recognize my name, but that would be the extent of our association.
The following are just some of the items about which I have a very preliminary opinion, which I believe might well be influenced by more substantial evidence.
- I have serious questions as to the behavior of certain officers during this investigation, among them Lt. Lenk and Sgt. Colburn.
- The fact that people who reasonable investigators around the country would consider prime suspects (ex-boyfriend, male roommate, obsessive caller), were apparently ignored during the investigation is stupefying.
At this juncture I must point out, as I suspected might happen, that I found that I have a tangential involvement with somebody involved in one of these cases. I am the chief investigative officer of an organization known as Judges for Justice, a group of former law enforcement, attorneys and judges as well as former elected officials, who are looking into several cases of alleged wrongful convictions. One of the cases in which I have been significantly involved is the pro bono defense of Christopher Tapp of Idaho Falls, Idaho. Christopher Tapp was convicted of murder approximately 18 years ago in a case strikingly similar to that of Brendan Dassey. In both situations, a person of, at best, low-average intelligence was fed information the police wished to use as testimony against a different suspect. In both cases, that information was used to convict a person who believed their only hope was to cooperate with the police.
Another person involved in the Tapp case is Steve Drizin. Drizin, of course, turns out to be Brendan Dassey’s post-conviction attorney; a fact of which I was not aware. I have never personally met Steve Drizin, and my efforts on the Tapp case were independent of his. We have been on the same E-mail string several times, but I have no recollection of ever even E-mailing him personally. That said, I believe that his conclusions in the Tapp case are spot-on. Mr. Drizin might recognize my name, but that would be the extent of our association.
INVESTIGATOR’S NOTES
FINAL THOUGHTS- Michael O’Kelly and Len Kachinsky were wildly biased against Brendan Dassey before they saw the first piece of evidence.
- O’Kelly should never be allowed to testify in a courtroom again.
- Len Kachinsky is an embarrassment to the legal profession.
- Wiegert may not even have the ‘horsepower’ it would take to successfully plant evidence.
- I thought Kratz was enjoying the descriptions of an alleged sexual crime a little too much.
- If you think about it, there’s now more demonstrative, proven evidence of sexual deviance by Ken Kratz than there is of Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey – combined. (A date to an autopsy? No wonder he looked a little sweaty describing the fictitious version of the murder of Halbach.)
- If Kratz’ ability to keep his disgusting behavior (sexting the victim of domestic abuse???) a secret for a year with the help of the Wisconsin DOJ isn’t proof of a corrupt system, what is?
- Why didn’t Governor Foley prosecute Kratz?
- Kratz complains that his reputation would take a hit just because of an accusation? Really? Sucks, huh?
- Kratz laments that he’s forgotten. As long as I’m alive, he won’t be.
In the Christopher Tapp case in which I’m involved, most, including myself have long given up on the State of Idaho providing justice. It’s simply a matter of biding time until the last state appeal is (inevitably) denied. Once that happens, the case can be removed to the federal appeals system, which seems to have less trouble recognizing injustice.
In the Avery and Dassey cases, the same dynamic holds true. Once the cases are clear of Wisconsin, real chances for justice come into play.
Ultimately, I am left with a couple of thoughts;
First; the best (but hopefully not the only) way to conclusively prove the innocence of Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey, is to conclusively prove the guilt of the actual killer.
Second; if it turns out that Steven Avery was not the killer of Teresa Halbach, and the actual killer murders again, then Ken Kratz, Len Kachinsky, Michael O'Kelly and a number of law enforcement investigators will have blood on their hands.
Post Emails between Kachinsky and O'Kelly.
submitted by angieb15 at Reddit
So, I thought it would be interesting and helpful to organize these emails, and post them. I just recently read the whole “back and forth” between these two. Thought some of you would be interested. The link is included to the original pdf just below.
Emails: O'Kelly and Kachinsky
Timeline of Brendan's Statements with these emails and others Included
At 06:17PM sn/2006, O’Kelly wrote;
Sunday May 7, 2006.
Len,
Please notify the watch commander of the Sheboygan County Jail facility that I will be meeting with Brendan Dassey on Friday May 12, 2006 when he is returned from the hearing at Manitowoc County Courthouse. I would like to start my meeting with Brendan upon his arrival.
I will be bringing recording devices such as a Sony digital camera and Sony camcorder and a Dictaphone portable audio recorder. I will have accessories such as a~ and blank recording tapes. I will also be bringing my Toshiba laptop and Canon portable printer and paper.
I am cc'ing Prosecutor Ken Kratz, SA Fassbender and Det. Dedering with this email. as they are in possession of the Discovery that I will need in my meeting.
l will need copies of some of the Discovery such as;
I) Black/White aerial of crime scene (National Guard)
2) Color aerial of crime scene (law enforcement)
3) "For Sale" sign recovered from interior area of Steve Avery mobile horne (front & back)
4) Color photos (by law enforcement) of Victims car in position on day of discovery (Nov 5, 2005)
5) Color photos (by Pamela/Nicole Sturm) of Victims car in posttion at time/day of discovery (Dis pg 58)
6) Recorded/transcribed interviews of the following subjects;
A) Steve Avery.
B) Earl Avery.
C) Charles Avery.
D) Dolores Avery.
7) Anonymous letter (envelope and contents) (Dis pg 224) ?
8) Photo of Suzuki inside Steve Avery garage (Dis pg 101)
9) Photos of interior of Steve Avery mobile home.
I 0) 8 x 10 'Missing Person - Teresa Halbach" flyer.
II) Electronic copy of available Discovery (photos, documents, reports and transcripts)
Thanks,
Mike.
Michael J. O'Kelly.
Private Investigator.
Polygraph Examiner/Linguistic Analyst.
l-800-▪▪▪-▪▪▪▪ 1-800-DONT-LIE
Crime Scene & Statement Analysis.
Hughes, Dalton & Marcus, Inc.
Truth Is But A Chameleon Within Our Words
cc: Prosecutm· Ken Kratz, SA Fassbender, Det. Dedering
From: Len Kachinsky.
To: Crime Scene & Statement Analysis.
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:20PM.
Subject: Brendan Dassey meeting on May 12th.
Mike,
I will fax the the Sheboygan County Jail on Wed. morning. It is sitting in my printer at the office. As to the items below, I would suggest calling the Cal Co DA's office and talking to Shirley. Phone; (920) 849-****. For item 11, I do not believe it exists in any unitary form. Unless you think it would be a bad idea, I was planning on going to Sheboygan on Wed afternoon for a general pep talk and talk to him about giving a complete statement to you on Friday.
LEN KACHINSKY.
"Not for the glory. Not for the rush. Sometimes you just do what you have to do."
At 10:11 PM 5/9/2006, O’Kelly wrote:
Len,
I am learning the Avery family history and interactions within and about each member of the Avery family.
These are criminals. There are members engaged in sexual activities with nieces, nephews, cousins, in-laws. Anyone else is fair game to these people. They have a history of stalking females who have no connection to this group.
Customers and/or their relatives unwittingly become Victims of their sexual fantasies and thus are stalked. The Victims have no idea that they are being victimized.
This is truly where the devil resides in comfort. I can find no good in any member. These people are pure evil. This is where one would eat their young to satisfy/justify a control issue where none previously existed. A friend of mine suggested "This Is a one branch family tree. Cut this tree down. We need to end the gene pool here. Steve Avery needs to be removed from society. I believe that his male siblings could have a role in Teresa's crime scene. I believe that Earl may have disposed of evidence and Chuck may have ignored Steve's physical movements during this period of time while he was transporting Teresa's car to the back of the Avery Salvage area. There is no question that Dolores is guiding and directing this behind the scenes.
I think that your visit will be counterproductive to our goals for Brendan. It could have Brendan digging his heels in further. He could become more entrenched in his illogical position and further distort the facts. He has been relying on a story that his family has told him what to say about October 31, 2005, thus It will take me longer to undo if I can even without your visit.
We need to separate him from fantasy and bring him to see reality from our perspective. We need to separate him from the unrealistic world that his family resides within. Brendan needs to be alone. When he sees me this Friday I will be a source of relief. He and I can begin to bond. He needs to trust me and the direction that I steer him into. Brendan needs to provide an explanation that coincides with the facts/evidence.
I would like to obtain his confession this Friday. Brendan should provide details of the crime scene and data that has been previously undisclosed that mirrors the crime scene data. However, I will follow your lead and adapt to your decision. It has been interesting to read Brendan's evaluations by the school psychologist. Yet, he was able to read each question, respond to, draw pictures of his recollection of the crime scene in my interview form.
Thanks,
Mike.
From: Len Kachinsky <***@sissonlaw.com>
Subject: Brendan Dassey meeting on May 12th.
Mike,
I will cancel my planned visit for today. I have plenty of other work to do here.
[–]jg0507
ReplyDeleteWatch the actual video. The first video of the detectives questioning Brendan on March 1st listed on Youtube will reveal during the line of questioning, the video timer is being fast forwarderd at times. I wonder if the Jury saw the whole video or just parts of it. Who did this and what is the reasoning? Do this change anything for Brendan? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t_1rOjtxpA On the youtube video Start watching from the 53 minute mark from the youtube video and pay attention to the time clock on the video footage of the interview.
[–]jg0507
The recording timer shows the first interview on March 1st starts at 10:51am and ends at 12:29pm. Total of 1 Hour and 37 minutes. The youtube video is only 56 minutes long. 41 minutes of video recordings are missing in this interview. Did the defense or anyone on the jury notice the Detective Video Recordings had been tampered with by someone?
[–]chromeomykiss
The 3/1 video on youtube has been redacted and some of the choice sections about "who shot her in the head" around the 11:50am-1230pm timeframe. However those clips are shown in MAM so the video in evidence is most likely not edited or redacted. Also the transcripts are "complete" in that those parts are still in the text version...so we at least can read those sections... I would like to think they played the unedited version to the jury...even if it was stopped right before the part where BD says to Barb "they got to my head".
[–]crackedreader
"It took less than an hour for her to be mostly bones"
I'm wondering how long that would actually take, but don't want it in my search history.
[–]Mel_bear
I read somewhere on this sub that it would take 9 hours at a high heat, like higher than an outside bombfire. 1hr cant be right.
[–]lessthanthree13
God yes. I feel terrible for Steven Avery but at least on some level he understands enough to fight and have an idea of his circumstances (not sure whether that's better or worse) but in the LONG list of punchable people in this story and longer list of reasons for wanting to punch them, nothing gets me quite as sad or as furious as how much they took advantage of this kid just having NO CONCEPT or ability to process what was going on or what the repercussions of his words would be.
[–]neurosisxeno
"Poor people always lose."
[–]donniehyde
There are a number of people who were exonerated with the help of the innocence project who were convicted on the basis of a (false) confession.
[Edit: to add - there are 93 exoneree profiles in their database that meet this criteria http://www.innocenceproject.org/cases-false-imprisonment/front-page#c10=published&b_start=0&c4=Exonerated+by+DNA&c6=1095abfd304a4dacae3d49f1e3de7f15)
[–]BTMacklin
And don't forget: "Reasonable doubt is for innocent people."
[–]CerintheM
There is also evidence that people with intellectual disability are far more likely to confess. Especially when young, separated from their parents, under the false belief that agreeing with the cop will get them home soon. For a heartbreaking experience, read Perske's List, a compilation of people with intellectual disability who have given false confessions. http://www.thearc.org/NCCJD/materials/perske-list Up to a third of people who give false confessions have either intellectual disability or mental illness.
[–]ottjw
I thought it was crazy when he straight up told the jury if they find Steven innocent they're accusing the police of murder and framing. Not just planting a few pieces of evidence
[–]Jsnave
I thought it was so sad that right after confessing, he asks when he can go home because he had to do a group project. That by itself would have made me seriously doubt his ability to advocate for himself at all.
Would the outcome have been different if Steven and Brendan had both refused to utter a word without a non-Len lawyer present?
ReplyDeletesubmitted 3 days ago by 2balls2strikes
What if Brendan had always said, 'Go fuck yourself pig. I ain't saying shit without a lawyer who isn't named Len!'
[–]jams1015 8 points 3 days ago
If Brendan had a Buting or a Strang from the get-go instead of a Len, he wouldn't be in prison. Len and O'Kelly fucked Brendan over royally. TBH, I think Brendan could have had any one of us non-JD joe shmoes as "lawyers" and been better off. Fredders the Cat could have got him acquitted. It took negative skill to perform as poorly as Len performed.
As for Steven, if he and his family had been defensive at all, they would have used that to hang him, too. He was damned if he did or didn't. The only thing that makes me pause and reconsider is that the jury went to deliberate and more were initially in favor of "Not Guilty" than the other way around. But the couple of people who leaned toward guilt, I don't think they'd have swayed. Hung jury, new trial and same results... until either prosecution got tired of the case, or Steven was convicted. I think no matter what, the prosecution was going to have at least one or two closeted, hardcore Avery haters behind them on the jury. Do you think Kratz would have eventually quit trying?
[–]2balls2strikes[S] 2 points 3 days ago
what about brendans post-len lawyers? total asshats? in on it or just bad at their jobs?
[–]jams1015 6 points 3 days ago
Attorney Fremgen? I don't think he was particularly bad at his job. I read he was inexperienced, though, had only been in on a few murder cases over his career. He also made choices I didn't think were the greatest, like not playing the whole interrogation/confession video... he didn't highlight the coercion as much as I would have liked. He didn't bring a witness in to testify about Brendan's intellectual disability, and how his disability coupled with his personality type made him especially vulnerable to the cops manipulation.
[–]possibri 2 points 3 days ago*
Also, I believe Strang and Buting offered their expert on coerced confessions free of charge (because they'd already paid him) and Fremgen declined. Seems fishy, and beyond simple inexperience IMO.
[–]jams1015 2 points 3 days ago
Whoa, I didn't know that. What in the world?!
[–]possibri 2 points 3 days ago
Ridiculous, I know.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4977u0/brendans_attorney_chose_not_to_use_expert/
[–]jams1015 3 points 2 days ago
Holy crap, that changes my interpretation of his counsel. That seems beyond inexperienced for sure, you're right.
[–]Kristijo2 5 points 3 days ago
IDK, these are the same folks who ignored 14 or witnesses in the 1985 case to take the world of a woman who was heavily medicated and could barely see straight. They were going to get what the came for by any means necessary.
[–]Thekillersofficial 3 points 3 days ago
Brendan definitely needed a lawyer/ responsible adult present. That was criminal.
[–]sophiegirl14 2 points 3 days ago
I don't think Brendan would be in jail if he would have kept his mouth shut but who could blame him. He was 16, of low IQ, confused, set up and "They got to his head." As for SA I would have had made a call to my lawyer right away. I think it was in MaM too, that his civil rights lawyers warned him that he needed to stay clean cause they would probably try to find something on him to get him put back in jail they just didn't think it would be murder. He should have left town while his 36 million law suit was going on. Gone far away .
All I know is that this has taught me a big lesson and I will never talk without a lawyer no matter what and if my lawyer sucks I will get another one.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4hkxxe/would_the_outcome_have_been_different_if_steven/
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ReplyDeleteHe didn't "specifically request halbach" all the time. She was the ONLY photographer for that magazine in the entire region. He actually said something along the lines of "send that same girl. I want to put another car in your magazine." Just like how he gave his sister's name...because it was actually her vehicle. It makes sense. I make calls for family members too if it's something I'm more familiar with. He was probably just doing his sister a favor.
The towel situation was blown out of proportion. She had actually told the story as a "gross but funny" work story, not a legitimate complaint against him. You don't get scared of a person because they answer the door in a small towel. You say "ew" and laugh about it later. Like she did.
The *67 thing could be because he thought she might not answer if it was "work." How many of us ignore calls from work sometimes? I do during certain hours. It doesn't mean he's guilty.
The amount of DNA on the bullet was TINY. there were also numerous bullets on the property from them shooting for fun. I find it a but far fetched that a bullet went into her head, then was burned for the numerous hours (what is it...15 hours?) it takes to burn a body like that, then ended up in his garage with DNA on it. Kinda weird. But not impossible to plant. Also, there was such a small amount that the testing couldn't be done more than once, yet the sample was contaminated yet not discarded which would be standard practice to discard.
As far as the hood latch of her car... pretty sure it was disclosed that a lab tech opened the hood of her car after checking the inside of the car and didn't change his gloves. Very easy to transfer DNA from his gloves to the hood latch he touched if he had been touching the blood on the inside of the vehicle.
If having bondage sex toys makes you guilty of murder, the prison populations are set to quadruple. Who doesn't have handcuffs?
Dassey is a whole other thing... I've worked with people with intellectual disabilities for roughly 7 years. You think they don't make things up about being touched? Some do. You think they don't repeat things they've seen on TV as if it was reality? Given his low IQ, he's rated at the line for mental retardation. He clearly wants to go home and is saying what they want because he thinks it means he can go home. It's sad. You can tell he's struggling to understand the entire situation and the seriousness of it all. It's heartbreaking.
I don't personally think they did it. The lack of DNA in the trailer, the fact that the bones were in at least 3 different locations (why move them unless it's OFF your property..?), the phone calls steven took where he sounds totally normal, the fact that Dassey was home with his mother when this was supposedly happening, the obvious issues with local police and the $36 million motive they had, the previous issue with that department's tunnel vision with suspects, the deleted voicemails, and I'll say it again because this has always been a huge issue for me: no DNA in the trailer. How could they have raped her on the bed without leaving any of her DNA? Especially considering the claim is that they tied her up and both raped her.
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There's blood, sweat (not DNA but the skin cells in the sweat...and she'd have had a lot of skin cells lost during this), vaginal fluid (the vagina will lubricate itself to try to avoid damage...it's not just about arousal), etc. And no blood. That trailer was a mess and Steven's DNA was found all over. I've read that deer blood was found. How could steven, whom is clearly a slob (me too, so no offense there), do such an incredible cleaning job as to leave deer blood and his own dna, but scrub off hers? Tie her to the bed but leave layers of dust on the headboard? Then get so lazy he just leaves blood all over her car...? Why wouldn't he destroy her car when he has the equipment and knowledge to do so? Why did he move the bones TO his property? It doesn't make any sense. Just like how his finger was cut before she went missing so it was already there, yet it supposedly bled all over her vehicle but he left zero finger prints as if he wiped it down or wore gloves. But if he's wearing gloves then he's not bleeding everywhere and if he's wiping it down, he's wiping off his blood too. And why was there blood on the right side of the steering wheel when his LEFT hand was cut?
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