Transcripts of MTSO dispatch calls on November 3, 2005 from 4 p.m. to 9:30 p.m.:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A5Edehh8tDIvt_HKk4XsKddiqUInZnZhz7_7bSgTx7A/edit#gid=221014473
Transcripts of MTSO dispatch calls on November 5, 2005:
Andy Colborn inquires about a 25-year-old found dead in her apartment, and asks if this is Teresa M Halbach. He is told that it is not: this person is Carmen Boutwell, who died of an overdose. MTSO offered to assist with arrangements for cremation (the conversation started before her body was removed from her apartment). The family placed her coffin into the back of the hearse immediately after her open-casket funeral with the understanding she was being taken away for cremation, and it was weeks later before family received her cremains back. [Source]
Dennis Jacobs requests a criminal history to be run on George B. Zipperer (he has a record for disorderly misconduct). While dispatch is looking it up, the caller can be heard talking to someone else, saying: "He said she was taking pictures of his son's car. I don't know the son's first name, though." Also, at the 25:48 mark, is a call about a dog and a bracelet and a burn pile.
Carmen Boutwell was found dead in her apartment from a drug overdose on the morning of November 3, 2005, the same day Teresa was reported missing. Her mother is a recovering alcoholic. Did her mother have money for a funeral? … Probably not … And there is no obituary. So, there is a deceased 25-year-old woman taken to the county morgue … to be cremated? Perhaps a town that says to her mother: “No worries, we’ll take care of her remains.” And what happens to them? They end up in Steven’s fire pit?
See Reddit discussion at:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4a9qha/i_dont_understand_colborns_interaction_with/
Teresa's missing person flyers weren't produced until November 4th. Lenk testified that he and Remiker didn't have the plate information before they went to Avery's on November 4th, yet they had both spoken to Wiegert at least twice. Why would Wiegert give the plate informatio to Colborn and not the other two detectives?
When Teresa Halbach's car was found on November 5th at Avery Auto Salvage, it had no plates on it. A day earlier, on November 4th, Andy Colborn, using his cell phone rather than his police radio, called dispatch to run Teresa's plates. He was unaware that the call was being recorded. The defense was able to get a CD of calls coming into dispatch that were not over police radios.
Colborn's call about the license plates was indeed during dispatcher Lynn’s normal shift of 2-10 PM on November 4th, one of Colborn's "scheduled days off."
Various comments on YouTube for the video above:
I found Colborn's statement regarding the dispatch call on the plates very telling: Please check here
regarding statement analysis. That article goes into detail regarding Avery's statement when he was convicted. But after reading that, check
out Colborn's statement on the plates. He says, “I should not have
been and I was not looking at the license plates.”
Under statement analysis, I believe this would actually indicate guilt. The "should not have been" is not a reliable denial and presents his conscious recognizing the reality of what happened "that he shouldn't be looking at her Rav4 on 11/4 but in fact was."
Colborn Email: No Steven Avery evidence planted: detective
Awards:
Dennis Jacobs requests a criminal history to be run on George B. Zipperer (he has a record for disorderly misconduct). While dispatch is looking it up, the caller can be heard talking to someone else, saying: "He said she was taking pictures of his son's car. I don't know the son's first name, though." Also, at the 25:48 mark, is a call about a dog and a bracelet and a burn pile.
Carmen Boutwell was found dead in her apartment from a drug overdose on the morning of November 3, 2005, the same day Teresa was reported missing. Her mother is a recovering alcoholic. Did her mother have money for a funeral? … Probably not … And there is no obituary. So, there is a deceased 25-year-old woman taken to the county morgue … to be cremated? Perhaps a town that says to her mother: “No worries, we’ll take care of her remains.” And what happens to them? They end up in Steven’s fire pit?
See Reddit discussion at:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4a9qha/i_dont_understand_colborns_interaction_with/
Teresa's missing person flyers weren't produced until November 4th. Lenk testified that he and Remiker didn't have the plate information before they went to Avery's on November 4th, yet they had both spoken to Wiegert at least twice. Why would Wiegert give the plate informatio to Colborn and not the other two detectives?
When Teresa Halbach's car was found on November 5th at Avery Auto Salvage, it had no plates on it. A day earlier, on November 4th, Andy Colborn, using his cell phone rather than his police radio, called dispatch to run Teresa's plates. He was unaware that the call was being recorded. The defense was able to get a CD of calls coming into dispatch that were not over police radios.
Colborn's call about the license plates was indeed during dispatcher Lynn’s normal shift of 2-10 PM on November 4th, one of Colborn's "scheduled days off."
Various comments on YouTube for the video above:
You can clearly hear a woman say "the car's here" in the background. I may be crazy but it sounds like the lady, Pam Sturm, who found the RAV4 at Avery salvage.
Listen at 58 seconds; use headphones; what do you all hear in background? Then if it's what I think I hear, why was that not questioned?
In the background someone with Colborn says "the car's here" at the 1:02 range
I hear "the car is here" over the phone call with the officer. Anyone else?
You can hear in the background a female voice saying 'the car is here.' Therefore they are standing in front of the car calling in the plates to dispatch. You can here the voice at 0:57-0:58 behind dispatch saying Teresa Halbach's name. You may need headphones!
Does anyone else notice a voice from the background. It sounds like someone said "cars HERE". Put on your ear buds and tell me you don't here something.
At 1:02 in the recording you can clearly hear a woman say "the car is here" in the background. Sounded almost like the lady who found the RAV4 at the salvage yard.
0.57-0.58 - "The car's here". The officer had the plates and Rav4 in front of him !!!!
During the recorded phone call you can hear someone in the background say "we found the car". Proof they found it before hand and possibly planted it on the salvage yard.
At 0:57 you can hear someone in the background.
Under statement analysis, I believe this would actually indicate guilt. The "should not have been" is not a reliable denial and presents his conscious recognizing the reality of what happened "that he shouldn't be looking at her Rav4 on 11/4 but in fact was."
Colborn Email: No Steven Avery evidence planted: detective
Awards:
Brian L.
ReplyDeleteEl Paso, TX
2/7/2016
Great PD to work for! I've been in law enforcement for nearly 25 years, but was fired from my last department after I drunkenly shot and killed an unarmed 9 year old (minority) on a school playground then planted drugs and a knife on the little tyke (I still believe she must have been on PCP the way she was laughing and climbing on the monkey bars like that). Several days later I received a call from Lt James Lenk with a job offer with the Manitowoc Sheriff's Department. He said he thought I was "Manitowoc material". The odd thing is I never even submitted an application.
This job has been a real pleasure and a time saver too! Instead of wasting my day doing "actual police work" I just pick a guy I have it out for (teenagers with learning disabilities work great!) and make sure all the evidence conveniently "falls into place", lol.
Soccer G.
Concord, CA
1/11/2016
The reason why the majority of people who live out of the area and who watch the documentary believe they are innocent is because we are the only ones who are unbiased and have common sense. Anyone with an IQ over 70 can see that the sheriffs were corrupt and dirty in the first case, no doubt about it. Actually, it was proven. Same with the second case. Same sheriffs, same filth. They had no right to be involved-conflict of interest. For those of you from that county who don't understand what I'm saying let me make it clearer for you; the fact the same dirty sheriffs who were being questioned couldn't leave it alone and repeatedly searched and searched again and again and again and again and again and again and again (gets annoying huh) goes to show that they were busy planning and planting evidence. Immoral and unethical is an understatement you idiots! I say the department should redirect calls to those retired sheriffs direct lines! Ha! I wonder how they would like to be the center of unwanted attention and harassed?
The prosecutor never answered a single question when directly asked. Just look at the reporters' faces! They even knew he was full of shit each and every time during press interviews.
Sorry, not sorry, the victims family didn't care who was prosecuted as long as someone was blamed whether they were actually responsible or not. The brother more than proved that.
Coercing a minor without proper permission from the legal guardian and without legal representation is illegal and unethical. Seeing that movie made me feel like I went back in a time machine 50 years. The small town conspiracy where the man has the upper hand is unreal.
Oh who did I forget? Oh ya that's right the judge and Brendan's first lawyer...you are both POS. Lost an election so came to defend. Probably in the back pocket of the prosecution. You both should be disbarred. That poor kid never had a chance.
Anyone who defends this county sheriffs office needs to shut up and take a seat. What if it was someone in your family framed. Then it would be boohoo huh? What a plague on society these people were. I feel for the Averys. They may have not been the brightest or richest people in town but they all showed humanity, more than I can say for the rest of the town.I wouldn't go to this place if you paid me! But then again I might be framed, wrongfully convicted and sent to prison before I saw a single dime.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/manitowoc-county-sheriffs-office-manitowoc
you are assuming all the people in Manitowoc County think he is guilty. Where did that fantasy from ? Did you go knock on doors ?
DeleteI live here and have only lived here a little over a year. I honestly didn’t know what locals thought, and never wanted to really talk about it or ask questions to their opinion (the few people I do know here) but I did ask my best friend the other day who was born and raised here what people here in Two Rivers (we do not live in the City or a the town of Manitowoc, only the county of Manitowoc) , I asked him what people thought, h said “innocent” and then added “everyone knows he’s innocent”. So I’m not sure where people from all over the place who have never even seen Avery’s Aalvage or the trailers they live in, but Ho have never drove down the county roads, this is all imaginary to them. Something that happens other places. There are 36 million reasons why the MCSO wanted him to be guilty!! He only had two court dates until he was going to become a millionaire. TWO COURT DATES!!!
DeleteCasey Sierhuis
ReplyDeleteDecember 21, 2015 at 11:00 AM
It was so obvious the entire lot of them were paid off, the judge included!!! It's always about the money and careers. This corrupt pony show is evil incarnate. Steve Avery is an innocent man. Trial should never have been held in Manitowoc County. No way to find 12 independent non bias jurors. This trial is O.J. Simpson in reverse. Disgusting, repugnant, vile, despicable. The criminal cops, D.A. and all others involved are still at large. The criminals run the JUST-US system. Not having to pay out $36 million and expose a plethora of corrupt criminal subhuman "law enforcement" filth was all the motive these bastards needed to do the unthinkable, inconceivable, satanic deed they coldly cunningly and calculatingly did Outright horrendous breach. Jury should be ashamed of themselves as well.
Robert Rae
December 20, 2015 at 10:24 AM
Definitely a corrupt county, sheriff's department and judicial system. They didn't like the Avery's so no one was willing to stand up and say, "wait a minute" at any of several opportunities to question the actions of this counties people. It is so damn hard to believe this kind of total BS can be gotten away with.
Anonymous
December 20, 2015 at 1:02 PM
This is the worst case of gross injustice I have ever seen. Lenk and Colburn need to be removed from law enforcement! Kratz is a pervert and should be banned from ever working in any courtroom ever again!! Something needs to be done to help Avery and Dassey get out.
Anonymous
December 20, 2015 at 7:24 PM
If you think the police will not lie you are so very wrong.I know for a fact they will and so will the Federal government .Just because they have a badge or hold an office does not make them Honest men !
http://truecrimecases.blogspot.com/2012/08/steven-avery.html
Yes, cops lie, they can lie, its OK.....its "by the book" when they lie like they did to BD!
DeleteHarvey Wallbanger
ReplyDeleteDecember 24, 2015 at 8:09 PM
I am watching the Netflix series at this moment. A police officer is being asked about the Toyota RAV4 key being found in Avery's bedroom. The cop states that the key was not seen the first time the slippers were moved, but the keys were found the second time that they looked. Also when I listen to these cops, etc., talk, it reminds me of the movie "Fargo". These so-called professional cops, attorney's, etc., all have circular reasoning with a clear lack of skills in understand how to converse and it's apparent on film that they're lying. I grew up in a small town in Michigan and I recognized the ignorance of the small-town thinking and I lived it for years before moving. Manitowac County is a small, redneck county, it does not have the funds to pay Avery per his lawsuit for his false-prison sentence, all of these people within law enforcement are good ole boys, tight-knit, are clearly flippant, arrogant, and unapologetic and this culture has been bred for decades. This happens all over this country too but this county got busted, and busted hard. It hurt their ego's and they were not going to stand for it. Avery does not have the resources to defend himself and the law enforcement system knows this. The small-minded, redneck folks that run the law enforcement community are corrupt as much as any characters in the Godfather films. These small towns are out of touch from the big cities such as Chicago, Boston, and NYC. Family's do not have the funds to pay for a big time lawyer. Hell I make $80k a year and I don't have the money to pay for such lawyers so Avery certainly does not have it. And law enforcement community of Manitowac knows this. What I amazed is how little common-sense goes into these peoples' mind before speaking. None of them have a filter on their mouth's and they just say whatever comes to their mind. And one more thing, it's not possible to burn a body inside a burn pit. Ask a cremation business how it's done and they'll give you the facts. It's very difficult and it takes control heat within an oven. It would take days to burn a human body, including the bones, to disintegrate in a burn pit. I am watching and listening to these people, law enforcement, and others and it reminds me of a bad movie.
end corruption now
ReplyDeleteDecember 21, 2015 at 11:05 AM
You can access the Federal Writ of Habeas Corpus on www.pacer.gov. Once in PACER, go to USDC-Eastern District of Wisconsin.
Case #1:14-cv-1310. Look at Exhibits 40, 41, 42 in the most recent Dassey filing. They are emails between law enforcement and Dassey's second attorney and, IMO, are incredibly damaging to the State. It appears Dassey's second attorney, Nan???, was clandestinely providing law enforcement and DA Krantz with information and assumptions about Dassey, his OWN client! Unbelievable! Another fine example of our nation's "Just Us" system.
NotEnoughEvidence
ReplyDeleteDecember 21, 2015 at 10:26 AM
The first I had heard of this case was yesterday. I have not had the pleasure of viewing the entire trial, nor have I read the transcripts but based upon what was presented in the documentary and despite what anyone in these replies has stated could have been presented as an attempt to show innocence via police corruption and being framed for murder, the facts presented in this documentary would not have been sufficient to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that these two people committed this crime.
These men were subjected to a trial by media at the mouth of Ken Krantz. He stated in a press conference, before the trial, that Brendan Dassey had confessed. He then went into a detailed account of what they stated had happened. The details given were based upon as coercion of a minor child who did not have anyone, including the principal or school counselor present during his questioning, much less an attorney or his parents! Did the police or school notify Brendan’s parents that he was pulled from class to be questioned about his involvement in a murder investigation?
Issues. There is a testing agent used to find body fluids at a crime scene. Luminol has been available in the US since 1937. The problem with this solution is that the test results may be inconclusive if the "stain" was washed. Enter Blue-Star Forensic - a blood reagent that was developed around 1996, and fine-tuned in 2000. In May 2006, the company that produces BlueStar published a report about the substance's ability to detect blood on areas that were "washed" or "cleansed".
Were these used? Did the prosecution quell the findings and THEN focus on the garage once the evidence from the bedroom did not produce the desired results?
A Calumet County deputy claims in March 2006, the garage was searched - every single item was removed. A question that should have been on the juror's minds-why wasn’t every item removed from Steven Avery's home where the violent act occurred? Had the room been processed correctly, the shoes to left of the book case, to the right of the doorway, would have been removed prior to the bookcase. The key should have been found in that room during the first day in November. An investigation cannot be claimed to have been thoroughly conducted for eight straight days, then four months later, an additional two days, and the key not found until the final day in March 2006. It is ludicrous and completely unbelievable.
Jurors, you had a duty to consider all of the evidence. I wonder how you moved beyond these two extremely important pieces of information. How can you convict someone of murder beyond reasonable doubt when the physical evidence was not present in that bedroom? You have a duty now, if you have any doubt that you made the right decision, to come forward and speak up. It’s the moral thing to do.
To the family of these two men, there are people in this country that believe these two men were neither treated fairly before trial (Krantz’s press conference before the trial), nor were they provided with a fair and impartial jury, not in any way biased or swayed by the community’s thoughts on the crimes being conducted by “an Avery”. That type of moronic thinking is present everywhere. It hurts a defense. Add the fuel of a pre-trial crime/crime scene description to that fire and you have very little hope for a verdict of innocence.
That does not mean you should give up hope. “Unethical conduct by the nation’s police officers continues to occur in departments large and small.” (FBI.gov, https://leb.fbi.gov/2011/may/police-corruption-an-analytical-look-into-police-ethics). Hang in there Averys and Dasseys. Your plight has been heard from a whole new perspective and that should give you great hope!
sarah hardicre @Sazzlerdazzler Mar 8
ReplyDeleteThe description of TH death by Ken kratz is sick he needs to be punished how they can sit a bare face lie π‘ #MakingAMurderer #StevenAvery
Scumbag Kratz
ReplyDeleteMarch 8, 2016 by The Inspiring Dad
Kratz seems to be the one with the fantasies about tying women up in a room. (torture chamber?), documented in one of the cases against him, a victim says the following about Kratz:
He said the women have to listen to him or he hits them. Kratz spoke about a room he has where he ties women up.
Food for thought. Some people wanted to see Kratz on trial after all the revelations that came out after Avery’s trial. The thing is, we might have already seen Kratz on trial. In the form of Avery. He was prosecuting himself.
http://theinspiringdad.com/scumbag-kratz/
[–]Classic_Griswald 4 points 2 hours ago
ReplyDeleteI would like to know if Kratz was getting his drugs from the doctor who the MTSO and City Drug squad ignored for over a decade, and did nothing about until the DEA came into town and took care of the problem themselves.
Seems like an awful coincidence, a prosecutor in the area is addicted to pain killers, sleeping pills and sedatives, and it just so happens a doctor who was selling/over-prescribing bulk amounts to people had remained untouched for over a decade, while being known on the street and in the illegal drug trade in the area, as: the Candy Man.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4aboty/is_this_the_doctor_that_supplied_the_methadone/
But then if there is a doctor who is operating like this, is it possible they were familiar with a local nurse? Idk. As mentioned, the other one isn't my theory. Would be interesting if there was any links between RH and any officials, like someone in the DA, or MTSO or CASO.
Would finally explain why he was completely overlooked in the beginning.
[–]milwaukeegina 2 points 2 hours ago
This this him?
http://www.htrnews.com/story/news/local/2015/11/07/doctor-overprescribing-deaths/75312268/
[–]Classic_Griswald 4 points 2 hours ago
Yup. That's him. Remiker signed the affidavit against him, stated he knew about his activity for 10 years. (Once the DEA got involved)
Also interesting tidbit. Remiker also handled the Carmen Boutwell case, the girl who OD'd on methadone and died right around when TH went missing.
Remiker states in this article they wont find who's responsible for giving CB the methadone, but they want to charge the person with reckless homicide or something like that.
http://www.htrnews.com/story/news/local/2014/06/08/drug-death-a-painful-memory/10177139/
He states it is like searching for a needle in a haystack.
The problem with that is not all pharmacies are even allowed to dispense methadone, its very well regulated. Not all Dr.s can prescribe it either. And in another case, related to methamphetamine, Remiker cites the great documentation by pharmacies (for OTC meds) in busting a drug ring.
http://fox6now.com/2014/04/23/breaking-bad-in-manitowoc-co-two-meth-operations-busted/
Hmm... Seems conflicting.
Add to that Carmen had a criminal charge not long before her death, she was ordered to stay away from her co-accused in that case. He was around right around the time she died, and he was charged I think by MTSO, but then charges were dropped and he skipped town suddenly.
So there are some very obvious, though tenuous connections, which certainly give a place to start looking. Her co-accused, and the doctor. Maybe both. There certainly could be no connection whatsoever, I don't know, but I do see two obvious connections in that case, and it's strange that nothing more was ever said on the matter.
The defeatist declarations by Remiker to the news makes it seem like they weren't even looking.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4eiph6/the_insane_speculative_abhorrent_theory_that/
[–]uk150 4 points 23 hours ago
ReplyDeleteThe question is why was the plates removed? If it was driven on the open road without plates it would draw attention, but if it was on the back of a recovery vehicle the opposite would be true.
[–]NAmember81 10 points 21 hours ago
I think it was because Colborn called in the plates on the 3rd. So removing the plates would look as if he couldn't have called them in on the 3rd.
It's such a coincidence that hundreds of searchers couldn't find the plates yet the people not participating in the investigation due to conflicts of interest so happen to find them. Even more of a coincidence that the person with the motive to remove them so happen to find them. If cops weren't incapable of lying I'd think that this whole case was fabricated bullshit.
[–]uk150 2 points 16 hours ago
Do you think he found the car at the Avery's, in which case he must have had similar luck to Pam of God, or would he have moved it there.
[–]NAmember81 3 points 15 hours ago
I'm thinking that the car was found without a key abandoned somewhere with no body present. And over the course of a day discovered that Avery was one of her appointments on the 31st and then moved the vehicle to the Avery property the nite of the 4th.
I think the cops got the spare key (that was later planted in SA's bedroom) from Ryan Hillegas to be able to start the RAV after it was found.
This scenario explains Ryan Hillegas and Mike Halbach's strange behavior and Pam's unbelievably quick discovery of the RAV. It also would explain why the RAV plates were removed and the battery was disconnected.
[–]FunAtTheSalvageYard 6 points 22 hours ago
Lenk & Colburn searched the salvage yard all morning on Nov. 7 and found nothing. Then someone else finds the license plate Nov. 8. This makes me think: A. they planted it, and B. they probably intended to do the same thing that afternoon regarding the key in the bedroom, only the officer they hoped would "discover" it after they planted it simply didn't. He was busy writing a report or something. So Lenk had to point it out to him. Nov. 7 was planting day - the key and the license.
When the RAV4 was driven by killer on road, it had different plates on that the killer took with him or tossed into junk....then he put the real plates where they were found!
DeleteOf course your theory on the RAV4 and key fit perfectly, but I can't see these guys being this criminal, if they were, I have no idea how they sleep at night...and if happened that way, there is no way they KNOW SA was the killer, why not look for the real one!
Delete[–]dark-dare at Reddit
ReplyDeleteThis to me is very clear, when it started, who got the ball rolling. Remember the depositions of Lenk and Colborn have just taken place, and there is probably furious meetings going on about the Civil Suit. Start with the call from Wiegert to Colborn. Colborn Immediately calls Lenk when he hears Steven Avary. Lenk has left for the day and immediately calls Wiegert offering assistance from Manitowoc and returns to the office. GEE THAT"S WEIRD FOR MISSING PERSON CASE WHERE THEY HAD JUST BEEN ASKED TO ASSIST WITH TWO HOME CHECKS! Colborn also calls Sherrif. GEE THAT'S WEIRD, DOES HE NEED PERMISSION FROM SOMEONE THAT HIGH UP TO DO A HOME CHECK FOR A MISSING PERSON? Colborn goes to Avery's and talks to Steven. Determines TH had been there. Colborn's report on this visit are completely opposed to every interview Steven does and the report does not reflect well on Steven. IS COLBORN BEING TRUTHFUL IN HIS REPORT, NO, WHY? Colborn does not go to the Zipperer residence because at 7:30 pm all the lights are out. Just leaves without contact. WTF, WHY, IS IT NOT IMPORTANT TO CHECK FOR TH BECAUSE THE LIGHTS ARE OUT? Colborn goes back to the office and meets with Wiegert, Dedering, Remiker, Lenk, then goes with them at 10:30pm to the Zipperers. WHY DOES HE NEED TO GO, HE IS OFF SHIFT AT THIS TIME. Colborn says he goes home after the Zipperers and falls asleep on the couch. THEN IF THE CALLS TO DISPATCH ARE IN ORDER COLBORNS CALL COMES IN ABOUT THE RAV PLATES. Colborn the has the next days off, and is not heard from again til afternoon of the 5th. Has NO recollection of where he was or what he did. But Steven could remember what he did and where he went. MAYBE UP ALL NIGHT DETAILING AND MOVING A RAV! Colborn has knowledge of the Avery Salvage yard. Colborn wants to move up in LE and runs for sheriff. Colborn, who is patrol, is part of every search where evidence is later found. WHY? I CAN SEE LENK. HE IS A LIEUTENANT, THERE ARE PLENTY OF DETECTIVES, WHY COLBORN? Everything to do with Colborn this first night and the following days does not make any sense at all.
He has NO memory and writes NOTHING down and cannot explain even simple thing. Then he get promoted! Its all about Colborn.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4hos1w/the_start_of_the_master_plan/
[–]revvedup001 at Reddit
ReplyDeletewell i do agree it was a set up but i dont think it is that complex to start with, it got more complex as the investigation progressed.
remember this is just a theory and i will try and keep it simple and just set up the basics.
only a small number involved in set up mostly LE, has to be small number 2 or 4 people at most otherwise it would have imploded yrs ago (as people got fired or demoted they would have started talking, human nature).
dont believe LE killed TH they just covered it up (to get rid of SA) also possible LE really do not know who killed TH (or only 1 of them know who the killer is).
so they find the rav4 on nov 3, someone in LE tips another officer about location and tells him SA did it and has covered his tracks so well they will never get him for it,,,,,unless we put it all back at the scap yard. lets see how he wiggles out of that (unkown LE says).
so it takes about a day to clean up the real crime scene and prepare the evidence against SA. late night on nov 4 they spring into action and head for the scrap yard,,,,plant and sow,,,plant and sow,,,,plant and sow...
a few friends and relatives duped into going in the direction that planters want them to go, a few items could not be placed where they needed to be so this can be done later when they have control of the site.
now they can sit back and let everyone else do the hard work for them ( and the fact that they are crap at paperwork and not very good at investigating just helps the frame up).
so not really complex at all, possible that killer called a relative (poss LE you decided lol) told them what they had done and left dna in places that could not be cleaned away easily (explains the distruction of body). killer is told what to do to hide and distroy evidence but to leave it all in place and the cleaners would take care of it.
simple, job done and 3 problems solved in one go ( killer in clear and civil action distroyed, SA out of their hair forever)
so i left out naming anyone because we all have our fav suspects and no one could predict KZ getting involved and stomping on their asses in her jimmy choo's...... :)
Timeline for the officers by hos_gotta_eat_too
ReplyDeleteWiegert & LeMieux
5:30pm Wiegert learns of TH missing from LeMieux.
5:55pm Wiegert calls Craig Sippel, talks about the car for Schmitz
6:00pm - Calls Schmitz to discuss Teresa's arrival and departure.
6:10 (assume Schmitz call was 10 min. Lots of info). Wiegert and LeMieux leave for Halbach's. From CASO to her house, roughly 10-12 minutes.
6:22pm Meets with Scott. Lots of questions, easy to assume a 10 minute interview.
6:32pm Wiegert meets with Karen Halbach. He gets items from her bedroom. Scott and Ryan and friends stop by (Scott arriving, means he is at Karen Halbach's). They print off phone records, They then apparently go back to TH's residence to collect more items. I would expect total time of this to be about 20 minutes.
6:52pm Wiegert calls MCSD and is patched through to Colborn. Receives a call back from Lenk shortly after.
Colborn's timeline
Unknown time. After receiving the call from Wiegert, Colborn stops by the Avery property. He goes to talk to Chuck, but ends up at Allen and Delores' place, where Steven comes out to talk to him. Assume this conversation is about 5-10 minutes.
He then calls Gary Steier, who tells him to contact Lenk. Lenk then calls Wiegert to offer support.
None of this COULD have feasibly happened before 6:52pm, as that is the time-frame for when Wiegert would have made contact with MCSD.
Timeline for John Dedering
7:00pm - On page 13 of CASO, Dedering states he met with Remiker, Lenk, Jacobs and Colborn at the MCSD.
How? How could Dedering be seeing Colborn at MCSD when he has the following to do from about 6:52pm on
get call from Wiegert
call in plates to confirm what was given to him, immediately after speaking to Wiegert
drive to the Avery's (unknown amount of time, as we do not know where he was located)
drive from Avery's to Zipperer's (lights were off)
drive from Zipperer's to MCSD to be seen by Dedering.
Now it gets weird.
Remiker's timeline
There is no time given of course, but he begins his report by talking about meeting Dedering at the MCSD with Lenk and Jacobs.
Re-read that. Read it again.
Remiker, Lenk and Jacobs met Dedering.
Dedering states at 7pm, he met Lenk, Jacobs, Remiker and ANDY COLBORN.
Yes, twilight zone. Why is Colborn reported by Dedering, when Remiker is not mentioning him there at MCSD at all? Remiker is instead saying he "received information from Andy earlier that he had stopped by Avery's"....how is he "receiving information earlier", when Dedering is saying he is standing RIGHT THERE with them??
So in conclusion, Andy stated in his email to Jacalyn LaBrae, that he was calling the plate in to confirm what he was given by Wiegert BEFORE he showed up at Avery's or Zipperer's, in case the Rav4 was there...but he didn't learn of the missing girl until close to 7pm.
And is listed in CASO's report as being present at MCSD at 7pm, but he is stating he was out at Avery's and Zipperer's (lights off..uh huh)...and Remiker does not have him in his report as being present when CASO arrives at MCSD.
Very odd Andy..conflicting police reports is never a good thing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4jn3tw/dederings_report_just_totally_effed_andys_story/
[–]CatEyesStalking
ReplyDeleteOr you might ask, why is Wiegert asking Andy to interview Steve Avery on Nov 3rd when the name or number he's aware of at this point is for B.Janda? The problem isn't Colborn as much as it is Wiegert falsifying his reports and steering the investigation to implicate Avery. I looked at the phone numbers Wiegert documents in his report here... https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4iwycx/phone_calls_documented_by_weigart_how_did_he_know/
[–]hos_gotta_eat_too[S]
i didn't think of that..
at the time..the phone number registered to Barb...they had the reverse lookup..but I believe reverse lookup of the numbers on her records didn't happen until Nov. 4th.
If that is the case, why indeed, is Wiegert sending Colborn out to the Avery property to speak to Steven, when he should be sending him out to talk to Barb ..and casually, Wiegert has Avery listed for that phone number in his statement.
Are we ready to entertain the thought that this was a Peterson/Pagel handholding setup, with Remiker/Lenk and Baldwin/Wiegert being the enforcers of it? The ones pushing the pieces into place?
We have Dedering running all over doing reports, followups and interviews..While Wiegert is talking to Remiker, who is basically Lenk's right hand man.
Did Dedering, Colborn, Kucharski, Jacobs, Orth and all the rest just get caught up in a master-plan to get Avery out of the picture?
[–]dark-dare
ReplyDeleteI have a question based in logic and common sense, why was AC who was a "patrol deputy" hanging out with the "real" detectives and investigators? Have you heard that song,"Which of these things is not like the other? Yeah, that would be dear Andy, did he get a promotion for finding the Rav on the 3rd two hours into the search? Come to think of it he found everything....a logical mind may conclude that something is up with Andy.Walks like a duck!
[–]CottageLover381
By nature ever LE department is a paramilitary organization. In this case, two bosses. Does that mean they in fact did/ordered the deed?
No, it really doesn't. They could have turned a blind eye though and they certainly ensured one person was going down for this. With the help of a DA who was clearly already unstable and determined to win at any price. As for the peons, they want to please. They want to stay close to the inner circle, get promoted, keep their pensions.
It doesn't have to be spelled out for them, they can sense what the bosses want. Nobody crosses that thin blue line unless they want to be shunned and hounded out to the equivalent of LE Siberia.
KZ has publicly called out two people, Kratz and Colborn. She's got them for planting and misconduct, and I don't believe it's an idle statement. She's not toying with them.
But there's still a suspect pool. SA could only haves 2 boxes of case file at a time, but had years to review them. To her, it's obvious.
SO much has been dug up by some damn clever people. How to winnow it down when we still don't have full access? How do you choose when almost everybody lied?
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/4mad98/everybody_thinks_they_need_to_be_all_scientific/
[–]HuNuWutWen
ReplyDeleteMW and TF were also feted, and awarded trophies for their "work" on the TH murder case, in '09 if I recall correctly...they were lauded as ace interrogators for their expertise in employing the "Reid Technique" to "crack the case"...to get the confession...yeah...the very same confession that just got tossed by a REAL Judge...Whoopsa-Daisy...
It is important for people to come to terms with the type of corruption KZ is attempting to expose....
Those of us who somehow believe that anyone from this morally bankrupt, dishonest group of liars is going to miraculously grow a conscience, come forward, expose their own wrongdoing and ultimately take down the whole cabal ...come on now...they're giving each other trophies ... fucking TROPHIES...like GK framed the "sketch" of SA then hung it on his precinct wall... look at the lengths these bastards will go to...
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/52am2l/the_wisconsin_victimwitness_professionals/
[–]Bubba2016
ReplyDeleteI just read/suffered through AC's entire trial and pre-trial testimony. Even though AC tells both KK and DS that he remembers what he did on 11/4, the only question he is asked by either side is whether he entered the ASY/SA's trailer on that day. He says no, and that's the end of it. I have no idea why the defense chose not to follow up. What was that little weasel doing on 11/4?
Also, AC is never asked what he, Tyson, and Lenk found, if anything, during their 11/7 search of the car trunks on ASY. Maybe that was covered elsewhere in the trial, I don't know.
AC also testified that he wanted to unplug and seize the BJ answering machine. (This was 11/6, with Lenk, Remiker, and Kucharski.) But they all worried that might cause the messages to be lost. So they played the messages as Remiker recorded them. But they did not take the machine. Why would they not take it, in case the messages were not erased by unplugging?
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/7973j2/colborn_worked_overtime_on_november_46th_2005_his/
[–]Booty_Grazer[S]
ReplyDeleteWas the Pap slides, Blood in the SUV, Panties, vibrator Pepsi Bottle really from CB and not Teresa?
[–]OliviaD2
While anything is possible, that would be a hell of a lot of work and I just don''t see those bozos pulling all that off. I mean... they'd have to get access to this body..if you could any more, it would be all coagulated... I don't know..... find pap slides.. if she had any... she was poor, maybe she didn't get regular exams... it would be a lot of work... when theoretically they could 'dry lab' (make up test results)..
I don't see it...
[–]FlowerInMirror
The thing that makes me hesitate to think SC was totally "dry labbing" is she did come up with a partial DNA profile. If she was "dry labbing" why not just say it's the full file?
Maybe for reasons such as in case of defense testing or future retesting, she couldn't do a complete "dry labbing"? She could always fudge the results to suit the story but she wanted to cover her ass too?
[–]OliviaD2
Probably not.. just mentioned any possibility. If she was (hypothetically :) ) I think "partial profile" would be more believable. I mean, getting a perfect profile from some burnt tissue but even be too unbelievable to get away with in this court (and the standard is low).....
They needed something on for that 12/05/05 or (the 6th) report date is 5th, preliminary hearing to be able to link the remains to TH. Notice in that report, all that is mentioned is that there is a "partial profile". The data is not shown. Now, generally, when one hears "partial profile" it is assumed one or 2 loci are missing, not 1/2 test! I don't know if the defense asked to see the full data at that time or not. If they were aware how bad the test was, they might have challenged it.
Of course something was sent to the FBI for further analysis, because they knew the state results could easily be called "inconclusive" (and seeing the raw data would tell a lot more how "believable" those results are.
We only see the actual profile in March of 2006. At that point, it has already been announced that the "remains have been identified as TH" by the press. With the public now convinced, and not understanding the difference between the state crime lab, the FBI, and the type of tests now, (or the circumstances surrounding what was even sent/tested) I don't think it mattered any more what SC put up on a power point slide.
That's what makes this so complicated, and well quite a mystery.. that i don't know if every will be solved. It's a "multi-level" problem if you know what I mean. :) . Let's say she tested a piece of tissue and actually got those results. We still don't know exactly what she tested. If we are to believe Dr E's (I guess I can't say names?) testimony, it couldn't be tissue from the "bone" that SC shows a photo of. And what exactly did the FBI test and receive?
Down the Rabbit Hole. :)
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/7wi947/most_would_agree_cbs_th_timely_demise_pose_many/
[–]OliviaD2
ReplyDeleteThe story I have heard from some who have been looking into her case (so not absolutely sure how accurate this is, however I believe somewhat) is that she was NOT a heroin/meth addict or regular user, therefore she would not have had tolerance. She was purportedly mainly just a "stoner".
On autopsy, she had no needle marks, tracks or any signs of IV drug use (I realize she didn't have to be IV user). She wasn't a meth head.
I do not know the circumstances under which she got/took whatever she did. I would assume/hope that the police did some kind of investigation.. there was a friend with her, I believe? So I would wonder where did she get what she took? Did she know what she was taking? Did someone just give it to her and say, 'hey, give this a try?'. There are a lot of unknowns.
Oh, related to the above. The court date she had the next day was her first arrest, and it was for weed.. someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure (i.e no past criminal history/arrests related to opioids, etc.
The ME who did the autopsy is reputable, I trust him.. he actually testified against LE in another well known WI case, so he is not a "yes man". He also was not employed by Manitowoc or Calumet counties, which mean he wouldn't have any need to "play ball" if you know what I mean :)
Some feel there may have been foul play involved in CB's death, perhaps ppl will chime in and answer that for you.
Quite awhile ago someone asked me privately to look at autopsy & circumstances surrounding it, so that is all I have done. I have not been involved in looking much further into it. I'm just returning to Reddit after a bit of a 'holiday', so I don't know who knows what, so when I saw topic, just thought I would share that if there was foul play, it did not involve the ME/autopsy, i.e she did die of OD - so "foul play" would mean she would have to have been "tricked"/ "forced" into ingesting the drug I imagine.
I'm leaving that issue for others to explore if they feel it should be :)
Her autopsy was on Nov 4th at 9:30 Am in Waukesha, which I assume was the next day after she was found, which was 11/3. Interesting to me is that her time of death is stated to be 11/3 at 9:08 am. That is a very specific time. Also in the am. I'm not sure what time they found her... but this makes me wonder.. if this is her actual time of death, then she must have just died when they found her? Did they attempt to revive her? Maybe they just used the time they found her as time of death? But that would be odd, because usually they estimate from body temp, rigor, etc. i.e they can say they've been dead about so many hours, etc. Anyway, just thinking out loud.
She was not cremated for quite a while, I believe the funeral was in December (it was after TH's) at least they knew she was dead s/
It is my understanding her body was held at the funeral home. Until then.
[–]4jstce
The court date she had the next day was her first arrest
She 1st committed a felony offense in Nov 01 for drug paraphernalia was then formerly charged in Jan 02 then disposed in court Feb 02 and fined $209.00, then same charges again in July 03, charged in Oct 03, then disposed and fined $214.00 in Nov 03, then in July 05 committed Felony offense for delivering THC, and then felony charges filed for 1 count of Deliver Thc (Felony) on Oct 10th.....then she perished when? Nov 3, 2005...........
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/7wi947/most_would_agree_cbs_th_timely_demise_pose_many/
Is this the doctor that supplied the Methadone that killed Carmen Boutwell?
ReplyDeleteself.MakingaMurderer
Submitted 1 year ago * by Classic_Griswald
For anyone who is not up to date, Carmen Boutwell (who I will refer to as C.B. from now on) is a girl that died very, very close in time to T.H.
Not only were they around the same age, they also looked very similar
There has been some speculation as to whether or not the C.B. death was related to the T.H. Case is some respect. She dies of a methadone overdose, right around the time T.H. went missing.
In fact, I remember listening to a call about the body of Carmen begin found, and someone asked if it was T.H. There was slight confusion among some people at the time. Of course this in itself is harmless. However, there was further speculation that the MTSO arranged the disposal or (looking for better words), the finalization of C.B.'s remains. And questions as to whether she was cremated.
In any case, to note: Remiker was working the case - and claims that they had little hope of finding whoever supplied the methadone to C.B. Here is the problem with that statement, while C.B. did not have a prescription, methadone is a highly, highly controlled substance. It's not just handed out to anyone. It's used as a substitution drug for people who are addicted to opiates/opiods, and in a smaller place like Manitowoc, they should be able to get a list of every single person who has a script. Then comparing that with people she knows, it seems like it's not so much a needle in a haystack, but a needle hanging on a few threads.
Said Lt. Dave Remiker of the Manitowoc County Metro Drug Unit: Boutwell “didn’t have a prescription (for methadone). Somebody provided those drugs to her,” Luchterhand said. Cases such as this are challenging to investigate; often those responsible are reluctant to come forward because they know the family or don’t want to put a stop to their flow of drugs, he said. “It’s like finding a needle in a haystack,” Remiker said. “And then obtaining enough evidence to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard we’re held to.”
Fast forward to 2016
A doctor is in trouble in Manitowoc. What for? He's a pain doctor who's been prescribing pain meds and methadone like they are candies.
Not only is he on the hook for overprescribing, but there is evidence many people have gotten sick or died from his prescribing habits. And apparently he was well known to police for 15 years.
Link to affidavit
Remiker ' s affidavit says he's known about this doc since 99. It would be interesting to know if he investigated this doc to see if he had any connection to CB.
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At first I thought this wouldn't pan out, since there are so many years past, the chances of a doctor who is in trouble today, was involved in the same behaviour 10 years ago is slim, right? Not in this case. Police say he's had a reputation, from regular people to themselves. He's known as 'the Candy Man'
ReplyDeleteCapt. Scott Luchterhand of the Manitowoc Police Department said law enforcement has been familiar with Dr. Charles Szyman’s reputation for at least 15 years.
“He’s known in our community as a drug dealer with a license,” he said. “He’s also considered the candy man by the people out on the street that are abusing all these prescriptions.”
Here are some of the pertinent information from the DEAs look into the doc:
Contained in the DEA's 515 pages of reports and evidence, a Jan. 22, 2015, report from the Manitowoc County Coroner's Office states that between Feb. 22, 2013, and Dec. 5, 2014, seven of Szyman's patients died of the following causes:
accident: morphine toxicity, oral injection of morphine, chronic
substance abuse
acute methadone intoxication
suicide
accidental overdose of prescription medications
mixed drug toxicity (three patients)
But wait, when the Carmen Boutwell case came up, Remiker was in charge, or at least participating in the case, and he said there was little chance they would ever find out who gave the methadone to C.B.
In such a small place like Manitowoc, this seems unlikely. Even if Dr. S was giving meds out like candy, he'd still have to track every person he gave it to. And if he is well known to people on the street, and police for over prescribing narcotics, including methadone, it seems like a place to start, doesn't it? It also seems less like a needle in a haystack.
In another case, where they were hunting down people making methamphetamines, Remiker notes that the pharmacy logs are comprehensive. Pretty much as I am stating in this thread:
"We have a tendency to use pharmacy logs. What's common is the purchase of pseudoephedrine products, which is one of the main ingredients in meth production," Lt. Dave Remiker with the Manitowoc County Metro Drug Unit said.
Lt. Remiker says a tip led investigators to the 33-year-old and 29-year-old.
"They had a pretty extensive habit with prescription drugs and meth," Lt. Remiker said.
Another interesting point about all of these events, this seems to have happened right around the time that REmiker was all bummed out, between the call with him and Wiegert, when they were discussing Zipperer being the last stop for T.H. the day she went missing.
I'm curious now as to why he was bummed out? Someone speculating might be wondering maybe he was pushed away from following up properly on the C.B. case.
I'm not sure how Remiker can say in one case it's totally unlikely they will find who's behind the scenes, but in another state how the detailed information stored by doctors and pharmacies helps catch people, how you can make peace the implications from both.
Ironically, he was involved in some way with the current case against Dr. Szyman
Remiker said the ongoing investigation between Metro Drug and the DEA, which began in summer 2013, included using undercover agents as patients along with interviewing Szyman and others.
In an affidavit submitted to the Medical Examining Board as part of the petition for suspension, Remiker said he has consistently received information that Szyman was prescribing mass quantities of narcotics, specifically opioid pain medications.
Thanks to /u/sogothen for putting me onto this angle of the story.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4aboty/is_this_the_doctor_that_supplied_the_methadone/
Officials: Overprescribing linked to deaths
ReplyDeleteMANITOWOC DOCTOR CHARLES SZYMAN IS ACCUSED OF OVERPRESCRIBING PAINKILLERS.
Sarah Kloepping, USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin
A Manitowoc doctor accused of overprescribing painkillers may be linked to numerous drug-related deaths in the community, officials say.
Capt. Scott Luchterhand of the Manitowoc Police Department said law enforcement has been familiar with Dr. Charles Szyman’s reputation for at least 15 years.
“He’s known in our community as a drug dealer with a license,” he said. “He’s also considered the candy man by the people out on the street that are abusing all these prescriptions.”
Szyman’s medical license was suspended on Oct. 21 by the state Department of Safety and Professional Services Medical Examination Board based on findings from an ongoing investigation through the Manitowoc County Metro Drug Unit, United States Drug Enforcement Administration and U.S. Attorney’s Office.
"He’s barred from practicing while we continue our investigation,” said Hannah Zillmer, DSPS public information officer. “The next step is … his case will go to an administrative law judge. And it will proceed very similarly to a civil court case.”
Szyman was terminated from his position at Holy Family Memorial Pain Clinic in Manitowoc following the suspension. He had been licensed to practice medicine and surgery in Wisconsin since 1988, specializing in pain management and sleep medicine, according to a petition for suspension submitted to the board.
“Nobody is against people having pain medication that truly need it,” Luchterhand said. “But people were going in there, not giving any really good reasons of why they need (medication), and were walking out with prescriptions for narcotics.”
Lt. Dave Remiker, supervisor of the Metro Drug Unit, said Szyman likely was working with at least 400 patients, some of whom were coming from outside Manitowoc County. He primarily prescribed oxycodone, morphine, fentanyl, buprenorphrine, hydromorphone and hydrocodone.
“We were pretty disturbed by the amounts that were being prescribed by Dr. Szyman,” he said. "I don’t know if there’s even been another community that’s had a physician who’s prescribed this much."
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Challenges with charges
ReplyDeleteAs far as Luchterhand is concerned, something should have been done about Szyman’s alleged overprescribing long ago.
In December 2014, a 58-year-old Manitowoc woman, who was Szyman's patient, died of a drug overdose. Toxicology reports indicated she had higher levels of narcotics in her system than some experts had ever seen, Luchterhand said.
Police were told by a medical professional that an average person is prescribed 20 to 30 milligrams of painkillers per day; up to 60 mg a day is allowed, but the patient needs to be monitored; and 100 to 110 mg is considered the danger zone.
The Manitowoc woman was being prescribed 11,570 mg of morphine daily.
“The doctor said it was absurd, cannot be explained medically,” Luchterhand said. “He’s never seen figures like that. She is the worst example, but she is not the only one.”
Luchterhand said the Manitowoc Police Department made multiple attempts to charge Szyman with reckless homicide for the woman's death but have been met with roadblocks trying to move the case through the court system.
“It all has to do that he’s a doctor,” he said. “If this had been Joe Blow on the street, he’d have been locked up already. If you can’t win this on a reckless homicide charge, no doctor will ever be charged.
"I don’t think money was a motive (for Szyman). I don’t think sex was a motive. I don’t think any of that kind of stuff comes into play. I honestly have no idea what he was thinking."
Szyman, who could not be reached for comment, told the Metro Drug Unit and DEA during a March 19 interview he was aware his prescribing is "outside the norm" but believes it is for a legitimate medical purpose for "a different patient population."
Connection to deaths
Manitowoc County Coroner Curtis Green said he has noticed a number of the county's suicides, including multiple in 2015, have a connection to Szyman.
“I think a fair statement would be that I’ve noticed a trend that many of the suicide victims were patients of Dr. Szyman and have been addicted to the narcotics he’s prescribed,” he said. “What we find at those scenes is clear signs of abusing that medication such as snorting them … smoking them.”
Officials also say the overdose death of the 58-year-old woman may not be the only one linked to Szyman.
"We could probably go back to many other deaths that occurred, but none were to this extreme," Luchterhand said.
Contained in the DEA's 515 pages of reports and evidence, a Jan. 22, 2015, report from the Manitowoc County Coroner's Office states that between Feb. 22, 2013, and Dec. 5, 2014, seven of Szyman's patients died of the following causes:
accident: morphine toxicity, oral injection of morphine, chronic substance abuse
acute methadone intoxication
suicide
accidental overdose of prescription medications
mixed drug toxicity (three patients)
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Speaking of overdose deaths in general, Green said the total number in the county has risen dramatically in the last eight years. In 2008, eight overdose deaths were reported. Last year there were 18, which does not include drug-related deaths or suicides.
ReplyDelete“Burying 18 frickin’ people because they go (to a doctor) with a cut thumb or a sore toe and they come out with ultimately 2,000 pills or something, somebody’s got to start standing up. Someone’s got to deal with it,” he said about overdose deaths overall. “There is no plan to get them off the medications, and that is the biggest problem I have with every single one of the drug overdoses we’ve had.”
Added Luchterhand: “I’ve had several people that I’ve known who have had a simple surgery … given pain medications, next thing you know, they’re hooked and their whole lives go down the toilet.”
Undercover patients
Remiker said the ongoing investigation between Metro Drug and the DEA, which began in summer 2013, included using undercover agents as patients along with interviewing Szyman and others.
In an affidavit submitted to the Medical Examining Board as part of the petition for suspension, Remiker said he has consistently received information that Szyman was prescribing mass quantities of narcotics, specifically opioid pain medications.
He has spoken to people who said the start of their addiction to pain medications, and eventual addiction to other narcotics such as heroin and methamphetamine, began with their doctor-patient relationship with Szyman.
“Individuals … identify Dr. Szyman as the physician ‘everybody goes to’ for very easily obtained narcotic pain medications,” he wrote.
The Metro Drug Unit conducted controlled purchases from a woman selling prescription pain medication. She later told investigators she was a longtime patient of Szyman’s for physical and mental health issues and received thousands of painkillers every month. She admitted to selling some of the pills, earning about $10,000 monthly.
According to the petition, Szyman told investigators he recognizes there are “a bunch of people coming through here whose full-time job is to scam (him)" and he "doesn't believe what people tell (him) for the most part.” He said he previously had no limit on what he prescribed because an expert advised him the dose is high enough “when they feel OK," but has since learned “it’s not a good thing” to prescribe an unlimited quantity of pain medication.
Szyman also said he is aware pills he prescribes are routinely found when police execute search warrants, saying it is “kind of a scientific fact” that 30 percent of his patients are not going to follow his prescriptions and are either “using it up themselves or diverting it.”
Remiker said in the affidavit a deputy coroner said that on some occasions the medication amounts prescribed by Szyman would be “physically impossible to consume by a normal person without resulting in complete incapacitation or death.”
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Statement from Holy Family
ReplyDeleteMark Herzog, president and CEO of Holy Family Memorial, said in a statement that Szyman was terminated from his position in October.
“For more than 116 years, Holy Family Memorial has been committed to providing compassionate care in a Christian environment rooted in stewardship, excellence and respect. Dr. Szyman’s unauthorized activities were inconsistent with these values and in many ways directly conflict with the ministry of the dedicated HFM doctors, nurses and other health professionals who provide exceptional care to this community each and every day,” he wrote.
“We terminated Dr. Szyman’s employment last month, and we have worked tirelessly to ensure that his patients have been offered appropriate care and support by another provider. Our goal is to assure continuity of care for our patients and their well-being. That is the job we do, and we remain focused and committed to providing the best care we can.
“This is a serious situation and we are continuing to fully cooperate with law enforcement. This process has uncovered that Dr. Szyman knowingly chose practices that varied from established policies and procedures. His actions were as an individual and not part of our hospital culture, and were inconsistent with our mission, values and policies for patient care. We will continue to monitor the situation and cooperate with the authorities.
“Our hospital has been privileged to serve the people of Manitowoc for more than a century, and we place a high value on the trust this community has placed in us. We will not let the unacceptable actions of one individual threaten that trust and our history of quality, patient-centered care. We will do everything possible to ensure that our patients continue to receive the high standard of care they expect and deserve.”
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Repercussions expected months later
ReplyDeleteSzyman's patients received a letter dated Oct. 23 from HFM stating they needed to pick a new doctor at the clinic or have their files transferred to a new provider. The letter also stated any prescriptions written by Szyman would not be filled at pharmacies and an appointment was required before a prescription would be renewed.
"I think our names are going to be dirtied if we go to another doctor and say we were patients of Dr. Szyman's," said one former patient from Manitowoc who wanted to remain anonymous. "It's like they don't (care) about how we are going to manage ourselves or how we were going to go about alleviating our pain problems. If people don't get their medication ... I'm actually very concerned about a lot of the patients because some of them may commit suicide or some of them may turn to street drugs."
Though Szyman is currently unable to practice medicine, police say repercussions of his alleged actions could be seen in the community months from now.
“The concerns are withdrawals they’re going through. Those cravings aren’t going to go away,” Luchterhand said. "They’re going to need assistance from our community in one way or another.
“The crimes that could be committed … they could become more serious because of that. We could have more robberies that take place, more assaults that take place, more break-ins that take place.”
When Szyman’s license was suspended, Remiker notified all pharmacies in the community.
“The public needs to be aware of the potential health and safety risk,” he said. “I can’t completely control, or do I know, what Holy Family is doing with these patients, but if the patients are either turned away or their medications are dramatically decreased, I would anticipate you may potentially have some people with some very serious withdrawal conditions. You may potentially see some very desperate acts.
“This isn’t a concern for just Manitowoc, Two Rivers or even just Manitowoc County. It’s a concern regionally.”
Reach Sarah Kloepping at 920-686-2105 or skloepping@htrnews.com
Seeking comments
Were you one of Dr. Charles Szyman's patients? HTR Media is seeking comments for an upcoming story. Email skloepping@htrnews.com or call 920-686-2105.
https://www.htrnews.com/story/news/local/2015/11/07/doctor-overprescribing-deaths/75312268/
Drug death a painful memory
ReplyDeleteSuzanne Weiss | Published 11:00 p.m. CT June 7, 2014 | Updated 11:15 p.m. CT June 7, 2014
MANITOWOC – Judy Wilson of Manitowoc has lived with a mother’s sorrow, guilt and anger for a long time.
A recovering alcoholic, Wilson watched her daughter take the same destructive path she had once stumbled down until a deadly mixture of drugs and booze ended her daughter’s life more than eight years ago.
Carmen Boutwell was 24.
“For a long time, I felt that I could have saved her if I hadn’t been caught up in my own disease,” she said. “That was my baby girl. She had a big heart. She just made a wrong decision and it killed her.”
Wilson also has been carrying around anger that no one was ever brought to justice for providing her daughter with drugs.
Boutwell died on Nov. 3, 2005, of a methadone overdose. Alcohol was contributing factor, according to the Manitowoc County Coroner’s office.
Her death was one of the first local cases of a young person overdosing on prescription drugs, the start of what grew to become a rash of area drug-related deaths, said Capt. Scott Luchterhand of the Manitowoc Police Department.
Challenge authorities
At the time of Boutwell’s death, investigators found no evidence of who might have given her the prescription narcotic, used for pain relief and to wean addicts off of heroin, he said.
“The scary part of methadone is when you combine it with alcohol and/or benzodiazepines (a class of drugs often used to treat anxiety and insomnia),” said Lt. Dave Remiker of the Manitowoc County Metro Drug Unit. “It’s a deadly combination.”
Methadone winds up on the street when individuals who are prescribed the drug turn around and sell it, he said.
Boutwell “didn’t have a prescription (for methadone). Somebody provided those drugs to her,” Luchterhand said.
Cases such as this are challenging to investigate; often those responsible are reluctant to come forward because they know the family or don’t want to put a stop to their flow of drugs, he said.
“It’s like finding a needle in a haystack,” Remiker said. “And then obtaining enough evidence to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard we’re held to.”
This case remains open and if new evidence is obtained, the suspect could face a charge of first-degree reckless homicide, Luchterhand said.
He added that more rehab facilities available to drug users or stiffer prison sentences for drug sellers would go a long way toward keeping drugs off the streets.
“The moms are always left behind, which we feel terrible for ... a lot of family and friends are left behind. These people want closure. They want answers to what happened and, if possible, to hold someone accountable,” Luchterhand said.
Anyone with information on this case can call police at (920) 686-6580.
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A family problem
ReplyDeleteBoutwell’s substance abuse began with alcohol at an early age.
Alcoholism ran in both sides of her family, said Wilson, 50. She herself began drinking when she was 11. Her daughter was about 13 or 14 when she had her first taste of booze.
“The pills and marijuana came later, but not much later,” Wilson said. “I wasn’t aware of the extent of the drugs.”
Their relationship was more like friends than mother-daughter. “I was very young when I had her, so we kind of grew up together,” Wilson said.
During an interview, Wilson shared fond memories of her daughter.
Boutwell was close to her two brothers and enjoyed skateboarding, playing music and Frisbee golf. She loved animals and had a sharp sense of humor. “She could always make me laugh,” Wilson said.
Boutwell even talked about going back to school so she could have a fresh start, she said.
“To me, she was the perfect daughter,” Wilson said. “She was very special.”
Boutwell’s drug use began to escalate about six months prior to her death, her mother said.
“She always had such a wonderful attitude about life. She tried to hold on to that but she seemed depressed a lot, sad,” Wilson said. “She just wasn’t taking care of herself, but she was trying very hard.”
Boutwell’s maternal grandmother found her collapsed on the floor, just as she was about to put on some of the music that she loved so well.
“Here this beautiful, beautiful women who never hurt anyone had this addiction,” Wilson said. “She abused drugs. She had a disease.”
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Wake-up call
ReplyDelete“I know it’s really difficult for parents to find out what their children are up to, but it’s important they do,” Wilson said.
Parents need to pay close attention to how their children behave and who they hang around with, she said.
“That’s what parents are for, not to be their friend,” Wilson said. “I made that mistake, trying to be Carmen’s friend and it cost a life.”
Sharing her story is one way of not only helping others be aware of the dangers of drugs and alcohol, but also of finding that closure for herself.
She takes one day at a time and keeps track of the days that she remains sober.
“I know Carmen would want me to be sober,” Wilson said.
Suzanne Weiss: (920) 686-2140 or skweiss@htrnews.com
Manitowoc County drug-related deaths in the past 10 years
Manitowoc County Coroner Curtis Green provided the following figures for drug-related deaths in Manitowoc County.
Only accidental and undetermined deaths are included; suicides are not listed
The proliferation of prescription narcotics has led to an upswing in area drug-related deaths during the last 10 years, said Capt. Scott Luchterhand of the Manitowoc Police Department.
“The upswing in overdose deaths is a direct result of the quantities of prescription medication being diverted by users,” said Lt. Dave Remiker of the Manitowoc County Metro Drug Unit.
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More recently, drug abusers are turning to supplies of cheap heroin, Luchterhand said.
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• Female, age 26, drugs unknown
2005
• Female, 24, methadone, alcohol
2006
• Male, 28, methadone, alprazolam
• Male, 26, methadone, cocaine, diazepam, lorazepam
• Male, 43, fentanyl
• Male, 62, alcohol, alprazolam
2007
• Male, 33, methadone
• Male, 30, methadone, alcohol
• Male, 26, bupropion
2008
• Male, 19, methadone
• Female, 50, fentanyl, cocaine, alcohol
• Male, 52, morphine and oxycodone
• Male, 51, prescription overdose of cancer pain medication
• Female, 23, multi-prescription drug toxicity
2009
• Female, 52, propoxyphene
• Female, 23, fentanyl
• Male, 49, benzodiazepine, narcotics
• Female, 64, doxepin, Xanax and alcohol
• Female, 86, multi-drug interaction and fall
• Male, 22, methadone
• Male, 50, morphine, methadone
• Male, 45, cocaine
• Male, 19, heroin
• Female, 51, alprazolam
• Female, 80, fentanyl
• Male, 26, cocaine
2010
• Male, 46, cocaine, fentanyl, opiates
• Male, 48, multi-drug toxicity
• Female, 27, multi-drug toxicity
• Female, 23, multi-drug toxicity
• Male, 52, dextromethorphan, diazepam
• Male, 22, methadone
• Female, 80, fentanyl
• Female, 44, alcohol and drug use
• Male, 54, oxycodone
2011
• Male, 35, heroin
• Female, 46, complications of drug and alcohol abuse.
• Male, 51, heroin
• Female, 51, morphine, cyclobenzaprine
• Female, 51, citalopram, clozapine and donepezil
2012
• Male, 31, multi-drug toxicity
• Female, 38, acetaminophen
• Male, 23, multi-drug toxicity
• Male, 46, multi-drug toxicity
• Male, 59, cyclobenzaprine
• Male, 19 methadone
• Male, 49, cocaine
• Males, 49, oxycodone
• Female, 41, opiates and benzodiazepines
2013
• Male, 52, oxycodone, clonazepam
• Female, 57, oxycodone
• Female, 60, alprazolam
• Male, 45, methadone
• Male, 38, heroin
• Males, 22, alcohol, dextromethorphan, fluoxetine
• Female, 46, morphine
• Female, 61, multi-drug toxicity
• Male, 26, morphine
2014
• Male, 31, methadone, alcohol
• Male, 26, fentanyl
https://www.htrnews.com/story/news/local/2014/06/08/drug-death-a-painful-memory/10177139/
'Making A Murderer' Manitowoc County Deputy Colborn Retires
ReplyDeleteBesides the suspected planted spare key, Colborn was suspected of finding the RAV4 before it later turned up on Avery's property.
By John Ferak, Patch Staff
Feb 3, 2018
'Making A Murderer' Manitowoc County Deputy Colborn Retires
MANITOWOC, WI - Manitowoc County Sheriff's Lt. Andrew "Andy" Colborn, who was at the center of widespread evidence planting and police misconduct allegations in the Oct. 31, 2005 Teresa Halbach murder investigation against Steven Avery, has retired from the law enforcement profession. Millions of people across the globe are familiar with Colborn and his former mentor, Manitowoc County Sheriff's Lt. Detective James Lenk, from the award-winning Netflix documentary, "Making a Murderer." On Friday, Colborn informed Manitowoc resident Debi Hochstetler that he just retired and was no longer in charge of her son's still-unsolved January 1999 hit-and-run fatality.
Her son, Manitowoc high school student Ricky Hochstetler, was run over and killed by a suspected drunk driver while Ricky was walking home during a snowstorm. The fatality happened around bar-closing time in rural Manitowoc, but it immediately turned into a cold-case at the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department and there have been long-standing suspicions that the crime and the cover-up involved other members of the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department.
On Saturday, Debi Hochstetler wrote in a Facebook forum dedicated to solving her son's case that she got a text from Colborn the day before. "He said he hasn't heard anything back on the paint chips he sent in to Milwaukee yet. And he wanted to inform me that yesterday was his last day. He is retiring. The case has been turned over to Jason Jost. He said that he was very sorry that he wasn't able to solve the case for me and my family ... I don't know Jason Jost but plan on talking to him in the near future to follow up on those paint chips being analyzed. Will keep you posted."
Saturday's development reported by Patch drew an immediate reaction on social media, particularly on Twitter, including a reaction from Jerry Buting, one of Steven Avery's criminal defense attorneys who was featured in "Making a Murderer" as being a crusader for truth and justice.
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Jerome Buting
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Colborn’s monthly pension will include the standard issue Manitowoc retirement ration. https://patch.com/wisconsin/milwaukee/making-murderer-manitowoc-county-deputy-colborn-retires …
7:09 PM - Feb 3, 2018
Others also reacted on social media with glee.
Debra Sullivan
@Deboryn123
Replying to @johnferak
Like rats deserting a sinking ship. Another one bites the dust...
6:53 PM - Feb 3, 2018
Andy Newton
@AndyNewtonTT
Great piece from @johnferak on Colborn and his “retirement”. #MakingAMurderer https://twitter.com/johnferak/status/959935316172959744 …
6:50 PM - Feb 3, 2018
Colborn gained world-wide infamy after the December 2015 release of "Making a Murderer"' on Netflix. He and Detective James Lenk, who retired about five years ago, were at the center of evidence planting allegations raised during the 2007 murder trial of defendant Steven Avery by his lawyers Jerry Buting and Dean Strang. The Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department was not supposed to be investigating Steven Avery as a murder suspect because it had a conflict of interest. Avery had a $36 million civil rights lawsuit against the county over his 1985 wrongful conviction for rape, a case that cost him 18 years of his life due to an erroneous conviction caused by Manitowoc County's Sheriff's Department.
But that did not prevent the Manitowoc County's Sheriff's Department from taking on the lead role in the evidence collection efforts against Steven Avery on the Avery Salvage Yard property in November 2005, days after Auto Trader magazine photographer Teresa Halbach, 25, vanished the same afternoon she had visited Avery's salvage. The evidence gathering team included Colborn, Lenk and fellow Manitowoc County Detective Dave Remiker and one deputy from neighboring Calumet County.
On Nov. 8, 2005, after Lenk and Colborn were inside their murder suspect's bedroom, a spare key for the victim's RAV4 was found on the carpet next to Avery's bed. The key was later determined to contain Avery's DNA. Only weeks before Halbach vanished, Colborn was questioned by civil rights lawyers as part of Avery's $36 million lawsuit against Manitowoc County. Teresa Halbach's regular set of car keys, as well as her house keys, have never been found. Colborn and Lenk and a sergeant from Calumet County had previously spent several hours inside of the Avery bedroom, days earlier, and the spare key was not on the floor.
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Colborn, who turns 59 next month, remains at the heart of another mystery in the Teresa Halbach murder investigation. He was the Manitowoc sheriff's deputy who called into the dispatch from a cell phone, asking the dispatcher to confirm the license plates for Halbach's blue-green Toyota RAV4. Days later, the RAV4, minus its license plates, was found on the far edge of Avery's 4,000-vehicle salvage yard. Avery's post-conviction lawyer Kathleen Zellner suspects that Colborn found the car and had a direct role in moving it to the Avery salvage yard property to solidify Manitowoc County's case against their murder suspect.
ReplyDeleteColborn was also involved in a controversy surrounding Steven Avery's 1985 wrongful conviction for a brutal rape committed by a dangerous Manitowoc sexual predator named Gregory Allen. In 1995, when Colborn worked inside the Manitowoc County Jail, a detective in Green Bay called to explain that an inmate had confessed to committing a rape in Manitowoc County. However, Colborn did not vigorously pursue the matter at the time. The end result of Colborn's inaction was that Avery remained wrongfully imprisoned for another eight years. He was finally exonerated through DNA testing in September 2003.
Colborn biography:
Born in March 1959
Active Duty U.S. Air Force 1976-1988
Auto transmission mechanic in Las Vegas 1988-1990
Diesel mechanic in Wisconsin at Waupaca Foundry, 1990-1992
Hired as a jailer at the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department under Sheriff Tom Kocourek, 1992
Named lieutenant of detective bureau in 2013, following retirement of James Lenk
Retired from Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department, February 2018
https://patch.com/wisconsin/milwaukee/making-murderer-manitowoc-county-deputy-colborn-retires
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ReplyDeleteI am going the throw this out there because it would fit into your storyline. Personally I don't believe that the Zipperers have anything to do with it but it is feasible, especially if she did go to the Zipperers last.
OK here we go. (The following is based on timelines given in reports and testimony, bold is factual, italic is speculation)
On Nov 3rd after 18:30 at some point Inv. Wiegart contacts Sgt. Colburn about a missing person.
He is asked to go to the properties of the Averys and Zipperers
He heads to the Averys first. He estimates he gets there around 19:00, but says it could be anytime between 18:30-19:30
He spends approximately 10 minutes on site talking too Steven Avery.
His regular shift is till 20:00, so heads back to the department to because it’s time to finish his Duty Patrol.
During his drive back he drives past the Zipperers, he does not see any lights on in the property so continues onto the Department.
The drive from Averys via Zipperers to the department is approximately 25 minutes.
His Testimony is then he gets back to the department and between 30-45 minutes later the detectives Dedering and Remiker make telephone contact with George Zipperer
Dedering’s report states this telephone call was made at 21:40.
If we assume that Colburn was at Averys at the latest of his window (19:30) + (10 minute conversation with Avery) + (25 minute drive back to the department) he is back on site at 20:10 or there abouts. This is 1hr and 30 minutes prior to the call to Zipperers, not 30-45.
If we assume his timeline (19:00) he would of got back at the department approximately 2 hours before contact was made with Zipperers.
If we assume he did get back on site at 30-45 minutes prior to contact made with Zipperers per his testimony. This place him back at the station at 20:55-21:10.
This would indicate that a 25 minute journey took him approximately between 1 hour and 15 minutes and 1 hour and 45 minutes or there about.
There is approximately 90 minutes of that evening missing for Sgt. Colburn as presented by trial and reports.
At some point during that evening Sgt. Colburn call in plates for a "99 Toyoto".
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/42r58i/finally_a_motive_for_the_murder_of_teresa_halbach/