UPDATE AUGUST 22, 2019 (VIDEO ABOVE OF CASO DISPATCH CALLS)
Lenk and Colborn, as well as others, are by the red trailer at Josh Radandt's deer camp on November 7, 2005: "Is there anyone available to bring us down a roll of barrier tape needed down by the red trailer? We're gonna need an investigator to take a look at something. We've got a burning barrel just off the property. In the debris is a cell phone. Go just down the lane where the trailers are, that's where we are, west of the command post (on Avery Road)."
The image above is from November 8th, the day bones were found in or near Avery's fire pit. There are tire tracks from the field road to the fire
pit. The field road connects the Avery property to the cul-de-sac on Kuss Road and the driveway to Radandt's deer camp and his quarry.
The image above is from a flyover on the morning of November 4th by NBC26: there aren't any tire tracks from the field road to Avery's fire pit.
Bone fragments could not have actually been located in burn
barrel no. two because this barrel had already been sifted by WSCL
personnel on November 7, and no human bone fragments were discovered
in this barrel or any of the barrels examined at that time. During
their examination of barrel no. two on November 7, 2005, WSCL
personnel used the same sifting apparatus that they later used to sift
the burn pit behind Mr. Avery's garage. Suspiciously,
the pieces of burned bone that were eventually found in barrel no. two
were noticeably larger than the bone fragments from the burn pit. If
bone fragments had been in burn barrel no. two when it was
examined by Mr. Ertl and his team from the WSCL on November 7, 2005, the
bone fragments would have been isolated by their sifting apparatus.
ORIGINAL POST, PUBLISHED ON DECEMBER 14, 2016
The only barrels described as 55-gallon drums came from Radandt's deer camp. Three other barrels were described as "two metal barrels" and "a 50-gallon burn barrel" collected from Janda's backyard.
One of the three deer camp barrels, barrel #2, contained burnt bone fragments (CASO page 248).
Kratz swapped out one of Barb Janda's burn barrels and
replaced it with "deer camp
burn barrel #2." Or, if there were only three barrels, not four, as Bobby Dassey testified, Kratz shuffled the barrels by adding deer camp burn barrel #2 (or the contents there of) to the three barrels in Janda's backyard.
Kratz relabelled deer camp burn barrel #2 as Janda burn barrel #2 (he added a fourth barrel or he removed a barrel, returned a different barrel in its place, deer camp barrel #2, then recollected that substituted barrel and labelled it as Janda burn barrel #2).
When questioned at Avery's trial about cadaver dogs, Tom
Fassbender testified that on November 5th, 6th, and the 7th, during
evidence
collection, a dog did not alert on the the fire pit behind Mr. Avery's
garage, but a dog or dogs did alert on an area at or around the cul-de-sac on Kuss Road (GPS coordinates for this area are N44° 15.263 W87° 42.031, per CASO page 137).
At some point early in the investigation, "deer camp burn barrel #2"became "Janda burn barrel #2."
According to a friend of Joshua Radandt's who was at the deer camp between November 4-6, 2005, the woods and gravel pit at Radandt's quarry were searched the morning of November 5th, before Teresa's RAV4 was found at Avery Salvage Yard, but the deer camp wasn't searched prior to November 7th. They found human bones in and near Avery's fire pit (also referred to as a "burn pit") on the afternoon of November 8th (page 157).
"I was at the deer camp [at Radandt's quarry] when the car [Teresa's RAV4] was found about 300 yards away [on Saturday, November 5, 2005, by the pond in the "pit" of Avery Salvage Yard]. I didn't see anyone search the deer camp while I was there November 4-6th. They did walk through the woods and gravel pits that Saturday prior to finding the car. It [the deer camp] might have been searched by police between October 31st and when the car was found and after I was gone for the weekend. Don't remember. The reason Josh and Travis were on the sign up sheet that day [Saturday, November 5th] was because they were asked to give a statement regarding the fire. I have read about Josh being questioned at the deer camp, but it's not true. What some of you guys are missing since you haven't been to the deer camp is that the camp is at the same elevation as the Avery property where [Joshua claims] the fire was burning. The land between the deer camp and the fire is dug out. I could see Avery's shack/yard from the parking area of the deer camp. It isn't unreasonable to see a fire at dusk from that distance and sight line." - InTheKnow2016, August 30, 2016, Reddit
The following outlines how "deer camp burn barrel #2" became "Janda burn barrel #2."
The barrel with the tag in the photo above does not look like the other barrels, and it appears to have letters stamped on the side. This barrel is newer and in better condition than Avery's barrel and the Janda barrels in the photos below. Is this barrel from Radandt's deer camp? "On 11/12/05, Property Tag #7958, burnt material with the words deer
camp burn barrel printed on the container, was turned over to Riemer" (CASO page 248). Did Barb Janda have three or four barrels (pictured below)?
Above is evidence photo 52, the burn barrels from Barb Janda's backyard. There could have been only three, not four barrels.
Steven Avery told Detective O'Neill that Barb Janda had three or four barrels.
Barb Janda was interviewed on November 9, 2005, after Steven was arrested at his brother Earl's house in Whitelaw, WI. She was asked how many burn barrels she has in her back yard: she answered two or three (Barb also was asked how many burn barrels does Steve have, and she answered, "by the field is the only one I know of").
During direct examination, Bobby Dassey told Ken Kratz that there were three barrels (day 3, page 64), which should have been addressed by the defense but wasn't (Kratz simply responded, "Okay," and moved on):
Q. The next exhibit is Exhibit 52. Telt us what that is please?
A. That would be a picture of our burning barrels.
Q. What do you mean "our burning barrels'?
A. My mom's burning barrels.
Q. How many were there?
A. Three.
Q. Are you sure?
A. I don't know. I thought there was three.
Q. Okay. Where were the burn barrel's located?
A. In our back yard, right behind our garage
On Blaine Dassey's map, it shows there were may have been three, not four barrels (Skorlinski wrote a report on his and Wendy Baldwins's contact with Blaine at Cedar Ridge Restaurant in Maribel on November 5th; however, this report was not entered into evidence at Avery's trial). The following map of the property must have been drawn by Blaine during his interview on November 5th, although it was included in the DCI report of his second interview on November 7th (and the date of the map was changed).
Burn barrel from Avery's front yard
To summarize:
On 11/11/05, DCI Agents Rindt and Pevytoe came to the Calumet County Sheriff's Department to go through five barrels.
On the same day, 11/11/05, Property Tag #7947, burnt material, was found south of Avery's fire pit.
On 11/12/05, Property Tag #7958, "burnt material with the words deer
camp burn barrel printed on the container," and Property Tag
#7963, "burnt material from the deer camp," were turned over to Riemer.
Three burn barrels that were taken from the deer camp were processed
on 11/12/05, per Pevytoe's testimony, direct exam, day 18, page 34.
On 11/12/05, Riemer, Pevytoe and Ebben processed item #643, along with #642, #644 and #645 (CASO, page 248). Items #642, 643 and 644 were 55-gallon barrels with miscellaneous items inside (the three deer camp burn barrels). When processing Item #643 they found various bone fragments.
Riemer wrote in the report that material in a burn barrel from
Radandt's deer camp included a burnt bone and possible tissue pieces.The burnt bone from the deer camp burn barrel was labelled Property Tag #7963, "burnt bone pieces from Barrel #2."
Riemer, in his 11/12/05 report, also referred to the deer camp burn barrel, Item #643, as burn barrel #2 (CASO page 248).
The burnt material found in the deer camp burn barrel was labelled with Property Tag Nos. 7958 and 7963.
However, Hawkins wrote that Remiker and Dedering found the bone fragments when they sifted Property Tag #7963 on 4/11/06. They
claim to have collected the bone fragments and labelled them Item #21,
Property Tag #7429, but this number is out of sequence and should have
been assigned earlier than #7963, which was processed on 11/12/05.The report below has Riemer listed as the author, but it appears to have been written first by Riemer and then added onto by Hawkins (pages 729-733).
We began again on 04/11/06 at 0829
hours. The personnel available on 04/11/06 were Deputy JEREMY HAWKINS of
the CALUMET COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, Special Agent KEVIN HEIMERL,
Det. DAVE REMIKER of the MANITOWOC COUNTY CALUMET COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT, Sgt. BILL TYSON, Inv. JOHN DEDERING and me (Deputy RIEMER)
of the CALUMET COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
At 1108 hours, Inv. DEDERING and Det. REMIKER began processing Item #7963.
At
1050 hours, Special Agent FASSBENDER checked out and checked in at 1117
hours along with Inv. DEDERING, Det. REMIKER and Inv. WIEGERT.
At 1157 hours, Item #7954 began to be processed by Det. REMIKER.
At 1157 hours, Item #7958 was processed by Deputy HAWKINS and me.
Item #21, Property Tag #7429, bone fragments from sifting of Item #7963, collected at 1140 hours on 04/11/06.
At
1157 hours, Deputy RIEMER and I processed Property Tag #7958, a five
gallon pail of debris. When the five gallon pail was finished being
sifted through, the contents were placed back into the five gallon pail
and then resealed.
At approximately 1230 hours, Deputy
RIEMER and Iprocessed Property Tag #8650, debris pile matter in a five
gallon pail.All possible bone fragments were taken out of the debris
pile and placed into a cardboard pill box. When the five gallon pail was
done being sifted through, the possible bones were packaged in the
cardboard pill box by Deputy RIEMER. The sifted material was placed back
into the five gallon pail where it was then secured.
Once all the pails were sifted through, Deputy RIEMER released the following items back to me:
Property Tag #643, a 55 gallon barrel with miscellaneous items inside
Property Tag #642, a 55 gallon barrel with miscellaneous items inside
Property Tag #644, a 55 gallon barrel with miscellaneous items inside
Property Tag #1102, a 50 gallon burn barrel, one-quarter full of material
Property Tag #7921, a metal barrel with burnt material
Property Tag #7922, a metal barrel with burnt material; the barrel has the number 4 on it
Property Tag #7923, a brown tarp with burnt material inside
Property Tag #8480, burn pile ash
Property Tag #8481, burn pile ash
Property Tag #7946, commingled metal, battery jumper, dog leash
Property Tag #7947, burnt material
Property Tag #7948, burnt material
Property Tag #7958, burnt material, deer camp burn barrel
Property Tag #7963, burnt material
Deputy RIEMER also turned custody of the following items over to me:
Property Tag #7429, bone fragments from Item #7963
THE BURN BARRELS AND AVERY'S FIRE PIT
Three 55-gallon burn barrels were collected from Radandt's deer camp, but there isn't a report by CASO or MTSO that explains when and how that happened.
One of the three deer camp barrels, barrel #2, contained burnt bone fragments (CASO page 248).
Barrel #2, the one with the bones that was collected from the deer camp, became "Janda's Burn Barrel #2."Kratz swapped and relabelled the barrels.
The driveway to Joshua Radandt's deer camp is off the Kuss Road cul-de-sac. A field road from the Avery property leads to the cul-de-sac, and vice versa. Click here for a photo tour of Kuss Road, the driveway to Radandt's deer camp, and the area around the quarry by sweatyuncle_steve at reddit on May 29, 2017.
Included in Kathleen Zellner's August 26, 2016 motion is CASO Deputy Rick Riemer's report of activity for November 7th (exhibit D of Zellner's motion and CASO file page 138). Riemer wrote that he and Fauske walked Radandt's quarry and the surrounding field area with a bloodhound named
Loof, and Loof tracked to "the south entry door" of a "red trailer" and "was very
intense on this track."
He also wrote that "this track continued in a westward direction to a cul-de-sac at the end
of Kuss Road" (go to page 43 of Zellner's October 23, 2017 motion to read her explanation about Kuss Road).
Riemer's report is as follows (slightly paraphrased):
"I
assisted Sarah Fauske, a patrol officer from Kaukauna Police Department,
and her bloodhound, Loof, with tracking. We walked the Radandt quarry and field area on
different tracks, covering five to 10 miles. One of the more
significant tracks that Loof tracked was from the south entry door of
the red house trailer near the concrete stoop, and this track continued
in a westerly direction toward a cul-de-sac at the end of Kuss Road.
Fauske indicated that Loof was very intense on this track."
In the report it is unclear if Riemer is referring to the red trailer at Avery Salvage Yard or a red trailer at Radandt's deer camp, but he does specify that he and Fauske were in Radandt's quarry and the surrounding field areas when they walked the five to 10 miles of tracks with Loof the bloodhound. And since Zellner included Riemer's report as an exhibit in her motion, the logical conclusion would be
that Riemer is referring to a red trailer at the deer camp in Radandt's quarry (image below).
UPDATE JUNE 12, 2017: Attached to Kathleen Zellner's June 7, 2017 motion for post-conviction relief is a report by Loof's handler, which states that on November 7, 2005 Loof the
bloodhound, tracking Teresa Halbach's scent, walked around Avery's
premise, garage and trailer and had shown interest at areas there. This
means the trailer that Loof hit on was Avery's red trailer, not the red
trailer that had been at the deer camp. The following is Loof's handler's report for activity on November 7th.
We
walked down the driveway to the Avery property to the area where the
van was sitting and for sale. I pre-scented K9 Loof and did a perimeter
scent inventory. K9 Loof was harnessed, given the scent article of the
insole and given the command of "Find".
Having started
approximately 50 feet east of the van, K9 Loof immediately went to the
front portion of the van for sale. K9 Loof continued west going to a
black F350 parked in the driveway in front of a garage. K9 Loof went to
both doors of the truck. K9 Loof then went directly to the service door
of the garage and worked her nose along the bottom of the actual
overhead garage door, showing much interest.
K9 Loof worked west
around the side of the garage but was unable to continue due to a large
aggressive appearing German Shepard. K9 Loof wanted to continue around
the garage.
K9 Loof went up to the south door of the trailer
home. The door having a small porch entrance and the door was white in
color. K9 Loof wanted to enter the home. K9 Loof continued north along
the trailer and went between some pine trees and a burning barrel. K9
Loof smelled a charred area showing some interest then continued west.
K9
Loof went west in a picked cornfield. Directly to the south was a
gravel pit and in between the two was an area of brush and trees. K9
Loof worked this area with indications of very strong scent. K9 Loof
worked west coming out to a cul-de-sac that was taped off with crime
scene tape and two deputies were not allowing access.K9 Loof crossed
the tape on one occasion and then was told not to go any further.The
deputies phoned Sheriff Pagel to see if I could continue but were told
to not allow anyone access at this time.
"Later that week I received a call from law enforcement on my cell phone. Law enforcement asked
me to unlock my three hunting trailers so they could be searched. I left
work and drove to the hunting camp. When I arrived there was nobody
there. I unlocked my trailers and left.
"It is my understanding that they were searched by law enforcement and scent tracking dogs.
"Later
that day law enforcement called my phone again. They informed me they
completed their search and I could use them again normally.
"During the course of the conversation law enforcement informed me that they were
going to collect the contents of the burn barrel at the hunting camp at a
later time. When I returned to camp they had the area cordoned off
surrounding the burn barrel and had officers to watch the burn barrel
day and night on a rotating basis until its contents were collected.
"A few days later I remember seeing light in the Manitowoc county sand
and gravel pit to the south of Radant's property. I remember that the
lights appeared to illuminate the entire Manitowoc county pit."
Brutus @cadaverdogbrutu
Pagel and his Kuss road blockade...turns the true heroes away on the day...sniffer dogs. Unbelievable. #hownottorunalegitinvestigation
TickTockManitowoc @TManitowoc
Picture this scene: "Any sign of my missing Teresa?" "No sorry, Ms. Halbach..our sheriff blocked the search and rescue dogs from looking."
Zellner
is
seeking a judge's permission to allow advanced DNA and scientific
testing on the pelvic bones found in the burn pile at Radandt's quarry [CASO Property No.
8675] and on burnt material found at Radandt's
deer camp [CASO Property No. 7958 and 7953] off the seldom-traveled
stretch of Kuss Road.
Zellner
wrote in her August 26, 2016 motion that bones found in Radandt's
quarry, which included a pelvis, were suspected to be human:
"State expert Leslie Eisenberg testified that the
volume of bones discovered in the burn pit was 'two-to three-fifths of
what might be expected.' Dr. Eisenberg also admitted that the bones had
been moved prior to their location in Mr. Avery’s burn pit. Dr.
Eisenberg testified that she suspected that the bones found in the
Radandt quarry, which included a pelvis, were human."
During Zellner's press conference on August
26, 2016, she said that only 30 percent of the bones were recovered and
29 of the teeth were never recovered
"The
bones were moved. That was admitted. There was a human pelvis found
over in the quarry. The bones were in different spots. The body was not
burned whole. It's not possible to do that. So you've got the same bone
in three different places. You've got only 30% of the bones recovered.
You have 29 of the teeth never recovered. The bones look like they were
planted. The property was closed down. The coroner from Manitowoc was
not allowed on the property and actually was not notified it was a
murder—that violates the Wisconsin statute."
In Zellner's motion, she wrote that Sgt. Andy Colborn
of MTSO discovered Teresa's RAV4 on November 3rd, at which time it was
seized by MTSO; and then on November 4th, after the CASO flyover, it was
moved from Radandt's quarry to the Avery property using the conveyor
road:
"On November 3, 2005, Officer
Colborn discovered the victim’s vehicle and
called dispatch, on a personal line, to confirm the victim’s license
plate number. On November 3, 2005, according to the Manitowoc County
Sheriff s Department reports, Ms. Halbach’s vehicle was seized. Ms.
Halbach's vehicle was moved to the southeast corner of the Avery
property on the evening of November 4, 2005 after Calumet County Sheriff
Jerry Pagel and Investigator Wendy Baldwin conducted a flyover of the
Avery salvage yard. Ms.
Halbach's vehicle was moved from the Fred Radandt Sons, Inc. quarry to
the Avery property using the conveyor road that led onto the Avery
property from the quarry."
Keep in mind that around 8 p.m. on November 4th, Chuck Avery saw headlights in the area where the RAV4 would be found the next morning.
Zellner also wrote that Steven Avery contends the victim’s key and bones were planted
on his property on
November 7, 2005 and were discovered on November 8, 2005:
"Non-law enforcement individuals were also allowed to enter the property
after the property was closed to the general public. Two of those
individuals were untruthful in their police interviews. Mr. Avery will
present his third party theory in his post-conviction petition that he
will file once he obtains the new test results. Individual A [Joshua
Radandt] accessed the property from the quarry four times, for some
unknown reason, after it had been closed to the public. Specifically,
Individual A accessed the property within minutes of Officers Colborn
and Lenk on November 5, and twice on November 7. Prior to anyone
realizing that Ms. Halbach’s body had been burned, Individual A gave a
statement in which he described seeing a fire in a burn barrel behind
Mr. Avery’s garage on October 31, 2005. Subsequent investigation has
determined that Individual A’s statement is contrary to the facts; Mr.
Avery’s burn barrel was never behind his trailer or garage, and it was
impossible for Individual A to observe Mr. Avery’s backyard as he
described because of the elevation of the quarry from where he was
allegedly making his observations.
"Individual B
[Ryan Hillegas] accessed the property using a false name... Individual B
received approximately 22 calls from law enforcement on November 4,
2005, prior to the victim’s vehicle being moved onto the property.
Individual B accessed the Avery property twice on November 7, 2005 and
once on November 8, 2005 after the property was closed to the public.
Mr. Avery contends that the victim’s key and bones were planted on
November 7, 2005 and were discovered on November 8, 2005."
On April 9, 2016, Kathleen Zellner tweeted:
“All day re-tracing TH steps. No doubt she left Avery property alive. All roads lead to one door and it's not Steven Avery's.”
An interpretation of the tweet is as follows:
There are several roads in and
out of Radandt's quarry into Avery Salvage Yard [Radandt's quarry is to the south,
east and west of Avery Salvage Yard.]
All roads from Radandt's lead straight to Avery Salvage Yard.
The
hunting cabins at the deer camp in Radandt's quarry are pictured above
as they were on November 4, 2005. There were three cabins and what
looks like a shed or garage. One of the cabins/trailers appears to be
red. Avery's red trailer is at the top of the image.
The smaller cabin (on the left in the image above) and the red trailer (the center cabin in the image above) at Radandt's deer camp are no longer there.
When they were removed is unknown, but Radandt sold the deer camp almost a
year to date after Teresa went missing.
Sometime after 2005 and before 2014, there were only two cabins (trailers) at the deep camp in Radandt's quarry, as pictured
below.
solunaView of Reddit
visited the deer camp at Radandt's quarry. The following is what he/she wrote about
it on August 28, 2016:
The property was sold almost a year to the date after the TH murder.
The property and the access road is still an entry to the Radandt quarry.
The property is very small and of little value for anyone, even as a "hunting" location due to the surrounding area.
The property was sold to someone from Sheboygan, WI. I have the name but will keep that to myself for doxxing reasons.
Radandt has relatives in Sheboygan and it is believed that the
property is still in the family (if it wasn't, the road into the quarry
would be closed off).
Trailers were moved and taken offsite. One of my concerns, and why I
visited the actual camp, was to see if there was a foundation under any
new trailers. There is not.
The "deer camp" theory was developed because of the trailers and
the site changes. Joshua Radandt implicated himself by his early and far too
detailed eyewitness accounts to law enforcement. The fact bloodhounds led right to
the Kuss Road cul-de-sac only further complicates the issue. Human bones
found on your property and you skate/are allowed on the Avery property
during an active investigation? How is this possible?
When you place a cursor over a Google Maps satellite image of the
deer camp at Radandt's quarry and right click on it, it displays the address as 13136 White
Cedar Road. When you map the route to this address from Avery's, it
takes you to the deer camp via Kuss Road.
Google
doesn't properly map the driveway you would take through the woods at the
end of the cul-de-sac on Kuss Road to get to the deer camp, but you can
see that long driveway when viewing the satellite image (images above and below).
In the image below, the burn pile in the quarry is circled in red, Avery's trailer is circled in yellow, the location where the RAV4 was found in the "pit" at Avery Salvage Yard is circled in pink, and Radandt's deer camp is marked with the bullseye (it's actually to the left and below the bullseye).
The killer had three days before Teresa was reported missing to dispose of her body. The burn pile at the gravel mound in the quarry (circled in red in the image below) was far from any residences and would have been an ideal place to burn a body without being noticed.
Today,
satellite images show mining of gravel west and northwest of Avery's trailer (image below); however, in October 2005 that area was a field with a vehicle-sized path running
along the boundary with Avery Salvage Yard (image above). Because that field is now a quarry, you can no longer drive
from the cul-de-sac on Kuss Road to Avery's trailer,
but you still can drive from Kuss Road to the deer camp/hunting cabins in Radandt's quarry. This is visible in the image below and in the drone flyover of the Avery property from January 2016 (video below).
The image below is a screen shot from a video taken by a drone on October 31, 2016. You clearly can see that there now are only two trailers at Radandt's deer camp. There is a pine tree near the spot where the red trailer at the deer camp was located on October 31, 2005.
Below is a screen shot from an episode of Evil Lives Here on the Investigation Discovery channel. It is an image of Avery's property after the bones were discovered on November 8, 2005 (the blue tarp in the image was placed over the burn pit after the bones
were found). You can see tire tracks going to the burn pit and coming from the direction of the field track to Kuss Road ( image source). Could the burnt remains found in Avery's burn pit have come in this way?
Below are other photos of Avery's property, but they were taken either before the bones were discovered in the burn pit behind Avery's garage or on the day the bones were discovered and the blue tarp had yet to be placed over the burn pit. You can see tire tracks going to the burn pit.
Law enforcement had commandeered Avery's property, his sister's property, and Avery Salvage Yard on November 5, 2005 and did not release it until November 12, 2005. During those eight days, the Avery family was not allowed on their properties. Delores Avery had a golf cart that she stored in her garage, which is where it was found when cops searched Avery Salvage Yard for Teresa Halbach at 2:30 p.m. on November 5, 2005 (CASO page 82). It remained on the property until cops removed it and secured it on a sealed trailer on November 11, 2005 (CASO, page 239). A cadaver dog alerted on this cart (Avery's 2009 motion, page 8). Could the tracks going to the burn pit behind Avery's garage be golf cart tracks?
For more information on the bones found at Radandt's quarry, see the following:
There is mystery surrounding pelvic bones and a blood stain found at Radandt's quarry.
In Kathleen Zellner's motion filed on August 26, 2016, she requested DNA testing on the pelvic bone(s). Zellner wrote:
"Mr. Avery is requesting DNA testing on all the alleged human pelvic bones recovered from the quarry property southwest of Avery Salvage Yard in order to conduct more advanced DNA testing to determine the origin of these bones."
During Zellner's press conference on August 26, 2016, she said that only 30 percent of the bones were recovered and 29 of the teeth were never recovered:
"The bones were moved. That was admitted. There was a human pelvis found
over in the quarry. The bones were in different spots. The body was not
burned whole. It's not possible to do that. So you've got the same bone
in three different places. You've got only 30% of the bones recovered.
You have 29 of the teeth never recovered. The bones look like they were
planted. The property was closed down. The coroner from Manitowoc was
not allowed on the property and actually was not notified it was a
murder—that violates the Wisconsin statute."
Zellner wrote in her August 26, 2016 motion that bones found in the Radandt quarry, which included a pelvis, were suspected to be human:
"Most of Ms. Halbach’s bones and 29 of her teeth were not found in Mr. Avery’s burn pit. State expert Leslie Eisenberg testified that the volume of bones discovered in the burn pit was 'two-to three-fifths of what might be expected.' Dr. Eisenberg also admitted that the bones had been moved prior to their location in Mr. Avery’s burn pit. Dr. Eisenberg testified that she suspected that the bones found in the Radandt quarry, which included a pelvis, were human."
There is a "questionable stain," that tested positive for blood,
which was recovered from the quarry (CASO page 219; Property Tag No. 8479, rag with possible blood or rust stains; located at a quarry south of Avery Road).
"Special Agent RON EBBEN directed my attention back to his location and
he did show me a rag with a brownish red colored stain on it. Upon
walking away from that object, I did locate, what appeared to be, fresh
blood in the gravel. Medical Examiner KLAESER did arrive at my
location and did confirm that he did believe it also to be blood. I
informed Medical Examiner KLAESER I had some concerns due to the fact
we did have a substantial amount of rain within
the past couple of days and felt it to be very odd that this could
possibly be blood from the case we were working on. Medical Examiner
KLAESER agreed although I did wish to collect the blood for evidentiary
purposes. I did photograph the area of blood and did apply two drops of
distilled water to a sterilized cotton swab and did swab the
bloodstain. That stain was collected at l716 hours. At 1718 hours, I
did a control swab of the gravel in the vicinity of the possible blood."
A DNA profile was developed that matched a
male and it did not match Steven Avery, Bryan Dassey or Alan Avery (why only those three?).The stain is labelled as item CX. You can find it in Exhibit 313.
A full DNA profile was developed.
The
following image displays the DNA profile, location found and the fact
it tested positive for blood (DNA profile top left in picture). XY in
the bottom row means it is a male. http://imgur.com/EJDW4ce
Here is the result that identifies it as not belonging to Steven Avery:
The burnt bones in Radandt's quarry were discovered on November 8th. Cadaver dogs first hit on the quarry on November 5th, the day Joshua Radandt told Inv. Steier that he saw a big fire by Steven Avery's trailer around 4:30 p.m. on October 31st as he was driving to his deer camp/hunting cabins. After
finding the RAV4 in the "pit" of Avery Salvage Yard, investigators may have starting
looking for a body by expanding their radius from the RAV4; from the RAV4 to Radandt's quarry is not very far, and if the body and car were transported from the quarry to Avery's, there
may have been some trace to lead a dog that way.Joshua Radandt and his company, Badgerland Aggregates, own almost all of the land around Avery Salvage Yard. Radandt was the first to mention that there was a fire on October 31st; everybody else, in their initials interviews, said there was no fire in Avery's burn pit.
Strang, Buting and Zellner all seem to point to the Radandt quarry as being the site of the murder and/or burning. So if Joshua
Radandt wasn't the culprit, he'd have a pretty good motive to pin the
crime on Avery. As for the police suggesting to Radandt that Avery may
have wanted to pin the crime on him, we already know the police did this
to Bobby Dassey. It seemed to have caused Bobby and other members of the family to turn on Avery (CASO file pages 84, 91-92, 113, 135, 187, 190, 195-196, 226, 519), and
it may have caused Radandt to turn on Avery and make claims of a bonfire
and a burn barrel.
The following is one of two statements that Joshua Radandt gave to police.
TYPE OF ACTIVITY: Interview of Joshua R. Radandt, M/W, DOB 11/10/74
DATE OF ACTIVITY: 11/05/05
REPORTING OFFICER: Inv. Gary Steier
On
Saturday 11/05/05 at approximately 1:30 p.m. JOSHUA R. RADANDT signed a
MANITOWOC COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT Consent to Search Form for his
gravel stone quarry, located at 12415 CTH Q, Two Rivers, WI 54245.
The copy was witnessed by Sgt. NACK (#412) of the MANITOWOC COUNTY
POLICE DEPARTMENT (See exhibit section).
At
approximately 5:00 p.m., Inv. STEIER of the CALUMET COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT had spoken with JOSHUA R. RADANDT at a deer camp off of Kuss
Road on the edge of the RADANDT GRAVEL PIT. RADANDT stated on Monday,
10/31/05 at approximately 4:30 p.m., he drove up to his deer camp off
of Kuss Road through his gravel pit property. JOSHUA RADANDT completed a written statement form. (See exhibit section). RADANDT
informed Inv. STEIER on Monday shortly after 4:30 p.m., RADANDT was
driving to his deer camp through his quarry where he observed a large
fire on the STEVEN AVERY property located by the red house. RADANDT
indicates he remembers it being right after 4:30 because he had had an
employee that had just come to work to take another employee's shift at
4:30 p.m. RADANDT indicated it was a partly cloudy or partly sunny day
and he had clear visibility from his location while he was driving to
his deer camp. RADANDT indicated he did not observe any people standing
next to the fire or any vehicles located on the Avery property.
Gary Steier, Inv.
Calumet County Sheriff's Dept.
GS/jk
The hunting cabins at the deer camp in Radandt's quarry are pictured above as they were on November 4th, 2005. There were three cabins and what looks like a shed or garage. One of the cabins/trailers appears to be red. Avery's red trailer is at the top of the image.
On August 26, 2016, Zellner wrote that Colborn discovered Teresa's RAV4 on November 3rd, at which time it was seized by MTSO; and then on November 4th, after the CASO flyover, it was moved from Radandt's quarry to the Avery property using the conveyor road:
"On November 3, 2005, Officer Colborn discovered the victim’s vehicle and called dispatch, on a personal line, to confirm the victim’s license plate number. On November 3, 2005, according to the Manitowoc County Sheriff s Department reports, Ms. Halbach’s vehicle was seized. Ms. Halbach's vehicle was moved to the southeast corner of the Avery property on the evening of November 4, 2005 after Calumet County Sheriff Jerry Pagel and Investigator Wendy Baldwin conducted a flyover of the Avery salvage yard. Ms. Halbach's vehicle was moved from the Fred Radandt Sons, Inc. quarry to the Avery property using the conveyor road that led onto the Avery property from the quarry."
Keep in mind that around 8 p.m. on November 4th, Chuck Avery saw headlights in the area where the RAV4 would be found the next morning.
In 2005, from that cul-de-sac you could drive straight, along the edge of the field, on a non paved road, to Avery's trailer, or you could go right and drive another non paved road to Radandt's deer camp. In fact, in his November 5th statement, Joshua Radandt refers to the deer camp as being "off of Kuss Road" (page 79).
Included in Zellner's motion is CASO Deputy Rick Riemer's report of activity for November 7th (exhibit D of Zellner's motion and CASO file page 138). Riemer wrote that he and Fauske walked Radandt's quarry and the surrounding field area with a bloodhound named
Loof. He also wrote that Loof tracked in a "westward direction to a cul-de-sac at the end
of Kuss Road."
Riemer's report is as follows (slightly paraphrased):
"I
assisted Sarah Fauske, a patrol officer from Kaukauna Police Department,
and her bloodhound, Loof, with tracking. We walked the Radandt quarry and field area on
different tracks, covering five to 10 miles. One of the more
significant tracks that Loof tracked was from the south entry door of
the red house trailer near the concrete stoop, and this track continued
in a westerly direction toward a cul-de-sac at the end of Kuss Road.
Fauske indicated that Loof was very intense on this track."
In
the report it is unclear if Riemer is referring to the red trailer at
Avery Salvage Yard or a red trailer at Radandt's deer camp, but he does
specify that he and Fauske were in Radandt's quarry and the surrounding
field area when they walked the five to 10 miles of tracks with Loof
the bloodhound. And since Zellner included Riemer's report as an exhibit
in her motion, the logical conclusion would be
that Riemer is referring to a red trailer at the deer camp in Radandt's
quarry.
UPDATE JUNE 12, 2017: Attached to Kathleen Zellner's June 7, 2017 motion for post-conviction relief is a report by Loof's handler, which states that on November 7, 2005 Loof the
bloodhound, tracking Teresa Halbach's scent, walked around Avery's
premise, garage and trailer and had shown interest at areas there. This
means the trailer that Loof hit on was Avery's red trailer, not the red
trailer that had been at the deer camp. The following is Loof's handler's report for activity on November 7th.
We
walked down the driveway to the Avery property to the area where the
van was sitting and for sale. I pre-scented K9 Loof and did a perimeter
scent inventory. K9 Loof was harnessed, given the scent article of the
insole and given the command of "Find".
Having started
approximately 50 feet east of the van, K9 Loof immediately went to the
front portion of the van for sale. K9 Loof continued west going to a
black F350 parked in the driveway in front of a garage. K9 Loof went to
both doors of the truck. K9 Loof then went directly to the service door
of the garage and worked her nose along the bottom of the actual
overhead garage door, showing much interest.
K9 Loof worked west
around the side of the garage but was unable to continue due to a large
aggressive appearing German Shepard. K9 Loof wanted to continue around
the garage.
K9 Loof went up to the south door of the trailer
home. The door having a small porch entrance and the door was white in
color. K9 Loof wanted to enter the home. K9 Loof continued north along
the trailer and went between some pine trees and a burning barrel. K9
Loof smelled a charred area showing some interest then continued west.
K9
Loof went west in a picked cornfield. Directly to the south was a
gravel pit and in between the two was an area of brush and trees. K9
Loof worked this area with indications of very strong scent. K9 Loof
worked west coming out to a cal-da-sac that was taped off with crime
scene tape and two deputies were not allowing access. K9 Loof crossed
the tape on one occasion and then was told not to go any further. The
deputies phoned Sheriff Pagel to see if I could continue but were told
to not allow anyone access at this time.
The image above is from November 2005. Radandt's deer camp is at the bottom of the photo. There were three trailers and what looks like a shed or garage.
Today, there are only two trailers, and no other outbuildings, at the deep camp in Radandt's quarry, as pictured below. Gone is the red trailer and a shed/garage (why would they depose of the trailer and shed/garage; could it be that forensic evidence would have placed Teresa and her RAV4 inside?).
Today, satellite images show mining west and northwest of Avery's trailer (image below); it was a field in 2005, with a vehicle-sized path running along the boundary with Avery Salvage Yard. You can no longer drive from the cul-de-sac on Kuss Road through the field to Avery's trailer, but you still can drive from Kuss Road to the deer camp at Radandt's quarry. This is clearly visible from the drone flyover video taken in January 2016 (below, see drone flyover video and screen shot from the video).
In the image above, Radandt's deer camp is marked by the large yellow box on the left, and Avery's trailer is marked by the smaller yellow box on the right. The image is a screenshot from the video below.
From the images below you can see that Badgerland Aggregates, Radandt's company, owns that parcel and other parcels surrounding Area Salvage Yard, including the fields west and northwest of Avery's that is now part a quarry..
The following is the other statement Radandt gave to police, as revealed by Kathleen Zellner in the motion she filed on August 26, 2016.
Zellner wrote in her August 26, 2016 motion that Joshua Radandt accessed Avery Salvage Yard four times during evidence collection. She also wrote that Avery contends that the victim’s key and bones were planted on his property on November 7, 2005 and were discovered on November 8, 2005:
"Non-law enforcement individuals were also allowed to enter the property
after the property was closed to the general public. Two of those
individuals were untruthful in their police interviews. Mr. Avery will
present his third party theory in his post-conviction petition that he
will file once he obtains the new test results. Individual A [Joshua
Radandt] accessed the property from the quarry four times, for some
unknown reason, after it had been closed to the public. Specifically,
Individual A accessed the property within minutes of Officers Colborn
and Lenk on November 5, and twice on November 7. Prior to anyone
realizing that Ms. Halbach’s body had been burned, Individual A gave a
statement in which he described seeing a fire in a burn barrel behind
Mr. Avery’s garage on October 31, 2005. Subsequent investigation has
determined that Individual A’s statement is contrary to the facts; Mr.
Avery’s burn barrel was never behind his trailer or garage, and it was
impossible for Individual A to observe Mr. Avery’s backyard as he
described because of the elevation of the quarry from where he was
allegedly making his observations.
"Individual B [Ryan Hillegas] accessed the property using a false name... Individual B received approximately 22 calls from law enforcement on November 4, 2005, prior to the victim’s vehicle being moved onto the property. Individual B accessed the Avery property twice on November 7, 2005 and once on November 8, 2005 after the property was closed to the public. Mr. Avery contends that the victim’s key and bones were planted on November 7, 2005 and were discovered on November 8, 2005."
The following are the date and times that Joshua Radandt signed in and out of Avery Salvage Yard during evidence collection:
11/5/06 – In at 5:25 p.m. with Travis Groelle; Out at 5:35 p.m. with Travis Groelle
11/6/05 – In at 5:08 p.m.; Out at 5:28 p.m.
11/7/05 – In at 6:59 a.m.; Out at 7:10 a.m.
11/7/05 – In at 11:51 a.m. (Radandt's name is misspelled) ; Out at 12:29 p.m.(page 93, "Civilian Volunteers with DCI").
Note that in the first log Radandt signed in and out with Travis Groelle, and note in the second log that the CASO officer overseeing the log misspells Radandt's name at sign-in; the second "d" is missing. This could be what Zellner was referring to in her motion when she wrote that "Individual B [Ryan Hillegas] accessed the property using a false name," and when she tweeted: "Fact: one person actually gave cops fake name to access property to help in TH search. #MakingAMurderer #TheStrangerBesideMe #Checkaduhid." Checkaduhid could mean "check a 'd' you hid," and "thestrangerbesideme" could be Radandt, whose property was adjacent to Avery's, or Ryan Hillegas, who signed in and out on November 5th with Radandt as Travis Groelle. The hashtags are in one tweet, so they are connected.
A Groelle and a Radandt are practically neighbors some blocks
north of the Zipperers on County Road B.
[–]DeenahWeenah
Zellner just stated in her most recent interview that they
believe TH's killer was someone "close" to TH. That being said, was
Radandt in ANY way connected to the Halbach family? If we can find a connection, then JR can be put on the suspect list.
[–]mmh150
Not saying Radandt is the murderer. People have talked quite often about some different ideas which converge with him: the quarry, the cabin and land grab.Sometimes people look the other way as long as it converges with their interests. It happens all the time in daily life.I don't think OP is even saying Radandt is the murderer. He is saying "the fix was on."
[–]mmh150 Thank you. I think that was the 1985 reason. It always heads back to this.
[–]sjj342
It seems like Jost did not know the information prior to November 8th.
Cynically
-it seems like someone intentionally brought it up on the 8th,
knowing that the bones had now been transported from the quarry site to
the Avery property site. It would make sense that this someone did not
want to directly be the one to discover the bones, and would prefer to
have that done by someone else ignorant of the planting. It would also
make sense that any transfer of the bones was done after November 5th once
they essentially have the area cordoned off, the search party is not
present, and the number of officers on the scene diminishes.
At the end of the CASO video that SkippTopp obtained is a video of a burn pile
purported to be located to the south of the Avery Salvage Yard in the Radandt gravel pit. This link starts at that part of the video:
Calumet County Sheriff's Office Video from Avery/Halbach Investigation (Flyover Video)
"At approximately 1319 hours, Sheriff PAGEL and I [Wendy Baldwin] arrived at LAKESHORE AVIATION. We met with CURT DRUMM and proceeded to fly over the last two known locations where TERESA HALBACH had been on l0/31/05. We searched the area until approximately 1754 hours."
We received less than 10 minutes of footage, which means that they only released about 3% of the video footage. Makes you wonder what they left out. And that chunk of those 10 minutes is from the 5th after the Rav4 was found. Somebody did a flyover on the 5th. It's right there in the video: the tarp was on the Rav4 between approximately 3 PM and 4:30 PM on the 5th. It appears that footage showing the tarped Rav4 area is from a helicopter, based on the sound, slow movement and sharp turns, so it's not the 11/4/05 footage with Curt Drumm. The CASO log sign-in sheet for November 5th shows "Eagle 3" signing in and out. That is the helicopter.
[–]SkippTopp
I believe the only video from the 4th is shown in the first few minutes of the video, whereas the rest of the video contains footage from other fly-overs that happened after law enforcement reportedly located the vehicle on the 5th. That would explain why the tarp can be seen.
It's hard to be certain, but it seems to be videos from multiple different fly-overs, all spliced together without any clear delineation between them. I believe the video from the 4th continues up through about 04:20, whereas everything after that is from different fly-overs done on the 5th or later.Right around 4:20, a lady's voice can be heard saying something like "this is where the car's supposed to be at... they're in the process of tarping it up right now..." - which implies this portion of the footage was taken on November 5th, soon after the vehicle was reportedly located by law enforcement.
[–]Ductit
I am curious if it was really the Michels Materials Quarry next to
Avery Rd, and not to the Radandt Gravel Pit south of the salvage yard.
You can here heavy equipment, large loaders or haul trucks beeping away
nearby, but I am pretty sure the Radandt Gravel Pit (not a Quarry...)
was shut down at that point...
Per Sgt. Bill Tyson:
I was informed several WI STATE PATROL officers found, what appeared to them, to be a charred human foot in the quarry south of Avery Rd.
DCI Special Agent RON EBBEN was with me and he stated he would come
with me since he did have some expertise in arson and identifying bones.
Upon walking north on Avery Rd., a state patrol officer did direct our attention south to the quarry. Upon walking down the embankment towards the quarry,
I did notice two state patrol officers standing by a small area of
standing water.The state patrol officers indicated they found, what
they believed to be, a human vertebrae in the water. Special Agent RON
EBBEN stated he would stand by at the possible human vertebrae while I
continued to the area where the state patrol officers possibly found a
charred human foot.
Continuing north through the quarry,
I did locate a group of state patrol officers standing around an
object. Upon making contact with them, they informed me they found
something that
resembled a human foot that was charred. Upon looking at the item, I
could not distinguish if this, indeed, was or was not a charred human
foot.
Special
Agent FASSBENDER, Inv. WIEGERT and Sheriff PAGEL arrived with Medical
Examiner MICHAEL KLAESER. Medical examiner KLAESER looked at the object
and stated he did not believe it to be that of a human foot.
Correctional Officer TODD KONEN arrived on scene and stated he would
stand by with the object while I went to get a camera and evidence bags.
I would call it "east" of Avery Road, but I think its pretty clear
when he notes that he is walking north on Avery Rd and then walks "down
the embankment towards the quarry".
I
can tell you this with near certainty, the flyover footage from the 4th
was intentionally blurred and manipulated so as for it to be impossible
to see anything. Same thing with that burn pit video and the picture
of the SA burn pit.The flyover footage from the 5th is great, you can
see for miles and it was cloudy with a storm moving in on the 5th
whereas it was a nice day on the 4th.
I am wondering if KZs Tsunami of evidence has to do with forcing them
to turn over the digital negatives for all pictures and videos. If she
gets those, as I am sure she is well aware, then MTSO is fucked.
A
few weeks ago, someone posted something about the pelvic bone from the quarry. I think the OP or the subsequent comments alleged that there's
no documentation available about who discovered the quarry bones, or
when they were discovered, or precisely where.
I found this claim pretty astounding. On the other hand, I could not find the information myself.
My
interest in the bones was renewed by that mysterious footage at the end
of the flyover video. So if anyone has a source for who discovered the
quarry bones, when, and precisely where, I'd be much obliged if you'd
share it with me.
[–]foghaze
No one knows or at least no one actually admitted during the trial. Defense closing statements even mentions how it's a mystery.
[–]foghaze
On 11/8 they announced they found bones behind Avery's in the burn pit when the only bone identified that day as being human and female was the ilium bone. Which the only thing that appears to be an ilium is from the quarry. Eisenberg never finds an ilium. If she would admit the bones in the quarry were human then the defense could tie it in with the ilium and they could say OHHH SO human bones were AT the QUARRY?? Well if that is so how do we even know TH was burned in the burn pit? You see? So that's why it's a big deal.
I've never felt like I needed details on who discovered the quarry burn site because it is so blatantly clear that it was someone NOT connected to all the crooked framing crew (i.e. a member of the public or other LE), and they all preferred to not draw any attention to it because it so obviously flags how the framing was carried out.It was inconvenient evidence they never wanted connected to the case so I'm sure there is next to no proper record of how the evidence came to be submitted.
Given my theory on what happened to TH and the framing, I want to believe the quarry burn site plays a huge role in Zellner's exoneration case and hence will come to light very soon.
[–]OliviaD2
No one knows. and as far as I know, this ilium has disappeared. No testing was done on it... which is interesting. Supposedly it was taken to Bennett at his home on 11/08. If it was in such good shape he could suggest a young adult female, it might have been a good candidate for mtDNA testing (what is done with burnt bones). Since most of the others were in too bad of shape to get decent DNA. Why?
All during the trail and all we have been hearing is Eisenberg
testifying the only human-like pelvis bones were at the quarry. She is
insistent about not knowing for certain if these bones are human (so is
Kratz and Fallon). According to Ken Bennett, he positively ID the Ilium
(pelvis) on 11/8 and it was not only human but female. This was the day
the bones were found, and because of the positive ID, law enforcement were
able to arrest Avery at this point because the bone was found on his
property. The only problem is there are no ilium bones noted by
Eisenberg in evidence at the burn pit on Steven’s property.The only
thing that even resembles an Ilium is at the quarry. Eisenberg even
states when she first saw the quarry bones she was convinced they were
human but for some reason changed her mind and cannot say why. She never
gives a good reason why she couldn’t say it was a human ilium. She just
says she cannot say either way whether it is human or non-human.
Dr. Eisenberg also says she identified the gender with facial bone
fragments from the pit. The reason she couldn’t use the pelvis is
because this bone was now recorded in evidence as being at the quarry!
If you know anything about identifying bones you know that the pelvis
would be one of the fastest ways to do so if enough of it is still in
tact. It is much faster than piecing together dozens of tiny facial
bones which would have taken days. The state didn’t have this much time.
Eisenberg later uses the facial fragments from the burn pit because the
state gave the ilium bone from the quarry to Bennett for verification
on 11/8 and even reported it in the criminal complaint as being from
Avery’s back yard!
Why do you think it was such a big deal during trial
that the state insist that Eisenberg doesn’t know if the pelvis like
bone/ilium isn’t human? Because it would prove the bones that were
positively ID as being female and human (Per Dr. Bennett on 11/8) were
not on Steven Avery’s property but in the quarry! They were able to
arrest Avery on the spot this day because of this ilium bone found. Had
it been in the quarry it wouldn’t have been on his property.
What’s disturbing is the Halbachs were told on 11/9 that the bone
found on Avery’s property was from a female. Even though they didn’t
have a conclusive ID match, the Halbachs accepted the female bones found
on Avery’s property was Teresa’s and even called off the searches! They
were mourning Teresa’s death at a prayer vigil on Nov 10th based solely
on a female bone found on Avery’s property!
Why didn’t the Halbachs
wait for more conclusive evidence that the female remains were in fact
Teresa’s? Is it because LE insisted the odds that the bones from another
female other than Teresa found on Avery’s property were slim to none?
Maybe if the Halbachs knew the bone actually came from the quarry they
might have not accepted it was Teresa and still remained hopeful. The
media even started reporting on 11/10 that the bones found in the burn
pit on Avery’s property were female well before Eisenberg could verify
it. Eisenberg had been out of town until 11/10 which is the whole reason
Bennett was asked to do it on 11/8.
The fact we don’t have any pictures of the actual burn pit behind
Avery’s house and the bone that was identified the very first day by Dr.
Bennett as being the ilium (which we know came from the quarry) tells
me that most likely all the bones may have been from the quarry or
somewhere else entirely.All the human bones were spread out in 3
locations yet indicated they were all burned in one place. This means
they had to have been moved. So if Eisenberg never saw the bones at
Avery’s and all she got were containers marked with the location from
where they were supposedly found how do we know all these bones didn’t
actually come from the same place? We don’t. The fact that all the
charred human bones indicated they came from the same skeleton and the
same burn pile pretty much proves they came from one place, and if you
trust the evidence that would be in the quarry where the pelvis/ilium
is!LE needed the bones to be on Avery’s property to get the ball
rolling on his conviction by 11/10, before the big scheduled deposition.
November 10th is becoming more and more significant.
The hunting cabins at the deer camp and the "quarry pile" in Radandt's quarry (burnt bones were found in the "pile").
The area as it looks today. The quarry has been expanded north and westward into the field that led from Kuss Road to the edge of Avery's property. In the red circle on the left is Radandt's deer hunting camp. In the red circle on the right was the location of the quarry burn pile were female pelvic bones were found.
[–]RexAxisMundi
What's the deal with the mystery blood stain at the quarry? This is first I've heard of this.
