The Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department, which has been accused of framing Steven Avery for a 1985 rape and planting numerous clues to convict Avery for the 2005 murder of Teresa Halbach, has also been dogged by allegations it mishandled the 1999 hit-and-run death of a 17-year-old boy, USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin has learned.
The homicide of Ricky Hochstetler, who was struck by a vehicle while walking to his home along a frontage road, remains unsolved. The crime occurred at about 2:20 a.m. on Jan. 10, 1999 during a snowstorm.
On the morning of the fatality, Robert Jeffery of Newton found parts scattered in the snow at the seldom-used intersection of Center and Newton roads in rural Newton.
If the fleeing driver had turned onto Center Road, the village of Cleveland was about five minutes away.
Several sources who had ties to the investigation suspected that the hit-and-run driver was probably headed toward Cleveland.
But this critical clue soon fell by the wayside under the direction of Lt. Mike Bushman, the road deputy put in charge of the homicide by then-Manitowoc County Sheriff Tom Kocourek.
According to Bushman's report, the Newton resident “was unable to tell me which direction the suspect vehicle may have went after the pieces fell off.”
On the day of Hochstetler's funeral, multiple car parts were visible in the thawing snow at the far edge of the victim's driveway along Manitowoc County CR.
The boy's body was found 50 yards up the road.
"(The parts) were right up by the road," Manitowoc resident Sylvia (Hynek) Schmidt told USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin. "I just remember I was thinking, 'This doesn't look like it had been weathered.'"
The parts appeared to be a section of headlight housing with letters and numbers stamped into it, Manitowoc sheriff's deputy Jason Jost reported at the time. "I also observed three other pieces of plastic lying just around the corner," Jost's Jan. 15, 1999 report stated.
All four of the parts "appeared to be from a newer style car," Jost wrote. There had been no other recent collisions along the two-lane highway around the time of her son's death, said Debi Hochstetler, the victim's mother. Nevertheless, Bushman determined that these fresh car parts were not relevant to his investigation.
Within hours of the overnight crash, juvenile detention center Lt. Rob Hermann, now the county sheriff, assured Bushman that the hit-and-run vehicle was a 1985 to 1988 Chevy truck, Suburban or Blazer.
Days later, Bushman speculated that the tiny pieces of broken grill found along the rural highway may also belong to a 1988 to 1991 full-size van.
It seemed that every decision Hermann and Bushman made put Manitowoc County farther away from identifying Ricky Hochstetler's killer.
From the outset, Kocourek, who did not return a message from USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin, didn't make it a top priority for his detectives or deputies to canvass local bars, bowling lanes or late-night diners for leads and suspects; conduct any round-the-clock surveillance near the crash site or near the rural intersection in Newton where signs of evidence were found; inspect the salvage yards near Cleveland and Sheboygan, even though there was a strong chance the hit-and-run driver would fix or destroy his damaged vehicle to avoid suspicion; and scour the rural roads and ditches for additional vehicle debris that may trace back to the hit-and-run driver.
Kocourek also let several weeks pass before volunteer firefighters were summoned to the crime scene along County CR to melt down the snow and ice.
The effort yielded 126 gray grill pieces, three black pieces, two small pieces of Chevrolet emblem, one gold glasses frame and one lens, reports show. "Most were very small and of no identifying quality at this point and time," Bushman stated.
Weeks after the boy's death, a number of sheriff's department employees began to suspect that an off-duty deputy — after a night of drinking — struck and killed the rural Manitowoc teenager. Even the traffic patrol lieutenant who was in charge of the investigation was aware of the allegations, indicate reports reviewed by USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin.
However, both Lt. Mike Bushman and then-Sheriff Tom Kocourek's administration declined to probe the activities of the two deputies who were being mentioned as possible suspects — Lt. Rob Hermann and his brother, Sgt. Todd Hermann.
Rob Hermann is now the sheriff of Manitowoc County...
Sources:
HTR Media
August 22, 2014
MANITOWOC – A federal judge ruled Tuesday former Manitowoc County board chairman Paul "Biff" Hansen went too far in stifling Jim Theyerl's constitutional right to express concerns about actions of county government and its employees.
Manitowoc County was a co-defendant in the suit filed last year by Theyerl alleging he was not "permitted to speak during the public input portion of any Manitowoc County Board meeting, on any subject" until certain conditions had been met.
William Griesbach of U.S. District Court Eastern District of Wisconsin's Green Bay Division affirmed Theyerl's First Amendment rights had been violated in awarding summary judgment to Theyerl.
County Corporation Counsel Steve Rollins said the next step will be a conference of the parties involved to determine if the case can be settled without need for a trial to determine possible awarding of monetary damages for the "emotional distress" Theyerl claims he suffered.
"The judge has determined the restriction (on Theyerl's ability to speak during public input at county board meetings) was overly broad," Rollins said. "The question now is what's the remedy."
"I am very pleased with the decision ...what Manitowoc County put me through as a taxpayer the last two years was unbearable," Theyerl, of Whitelaw, said Thursday in the wake of Griesbach's decision.
"I am looking for a settlement ...it will be a huge amount," Theyerl said, declining to be more specific.
Rollins said the county's insurance coverage covers outside attorneys' fees defense of the suit but not any damages that might be awarded to the retired truck driver. He said any financial settlement would need county board approval as a budgetary item.
Theyerl, 65, had appeared at several county board or committee meetings where during public input he sought to share information he claimed proved a county employee had viewed pornography on a work computer.
At a June 2012 county board meeting, Theyerl said he had 13 witnesses to the alleged viewing of pornographic images. However, none appeared at a subsequent ethics hearing several months later involving the particular employee.
In a July 2012 letter, Hansen told Theyerl he takes the allegations seriously and asked him to provide the name of the employee, specific description of the alleged misconduct and other details.
Theyerl's attempts to speak during public input were rebuffed by Hansen when such documentation was not provided. Hansen stated public input was not the time for unsubstantiated accusations.
"The most important thing for the public to understand is this decision in no way endorses the untrue statements about the county worker," Hansen said Thursday, expressing disappointment in Griesbach's ruling.
"It appears to be OK to make comments about other people without having any evidence and as untrue and egregious as those statements are ... they are protected by the First Amendment," Hansen said of his reaction to the judge's ruling.
He said supervisors have discussed limiting public input to only issues on the agenda. "But even with that, you could say you're going to speak on the budget and then get up" and make false statements impugning one's character.
With no delay on the cable TV broadcast of board meetings, Hansen said once the statements are made, they can't be taken back with the ensuing damage.
Ban went beyond
Griesbach said the case involves the balance of competing interests. He said the county board has an interest in maintaining order and decorum so it may efficiently handle the public's business. "It also does not want to provide an open forum for defamatory or personal accusations," the judge stated in a press release.
However, he said the effort to accomplish "these laudable goals can conflict with the individual citizen's right to free speech ... the First Amendment ... prohibits a government from discriminating against a particular speaker or viewpoint."
Griesbach said the ban prohibited Theyerl "from speaking at all, on any subject."
"There is no evidence that Hansen had the ability to read Theyerl's mind that he could regulate Theyerl's speech in advance," Griesbach stated.
He noted the plaintiff had previously expressed his views on what he considered were excessive employee salaries and other topics.
"In addition, even if Theyerl would have spoken 'about' his pornography allegations, there is no reason to believe that his speech would have been repetitive or defamatory," Griesbach stated.
If Theyerl had begun to repeat unsubstantiated allegations against the employee, "With deputies standing by, it would not have been difficult to enforce a very quick hook, and in fact that is what Hansen did on occasion," Griesbach stated.
Longtime Manitowoc educators to retire
By Ann Grote-Pirrung, USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin
May 25, 2016
When the last bell rings marking the end of the 2015-16 school year, Manitowoc Public School District will lose more than 60 years of experience as two long-term educators retire.
Paul "Biff" Hansen will retire after 38 years with the district, most recently as assistant principal at Lincoln High School, while Steven Kleinfeldt leaves after 26 years as a local elementary school principal, first at Jefferson Elementary and currently at Jackson Elementary.
The two retirees took some time recently to reflect on their rich history with the MPSD.
While Hansen has been teaching in Manitowoc County since 1978, his relationship with area schools began much earlier — 55 years, to be precise.
“I went to grade school at McKinley when I was 5 and graduated from Lincoln High School,” Hansen recalled.
He also worked as a coach at UW-Manitowoc and graduated from Silver Lake College with a degree in special education.
Hansen’s early career included stints at the Manitowoc County-run Special Ed School for the County, Two Rivers High School, Wilson Junior High and Lincoln High School, always working with children in special education.
“Always kids in need,” Hansen noted. “Always kids in need.”
Hansen has been at Lincoln High since 2001, teaching students with learning disabilities, before moving into administration in 2006.
“I was very much an advocate for getting the special ed kids in regular classes in schools,” he said. “That caused some bumps along the road for me as a special educator in the district and wanting us to go further than we were. I just got to a point where I needed something else and I thought that maybe by being an administrator I could help even more than being a classroom teacher.”
Studies show — and Hansen believes — special ed kids benefit from being with traditional ed kids and it helps the traditional ed kids, too.
At Lincoln, special ed students attend homecoming, prom and many other school events.
“A month ago at prom, there was a young lady who is confined to a motorized chair and she was on the floor dancing with other kids who don’t have disabilities. It was really cool that our kids did that,” he said. “I think it’s from growing up with differences from an early age.”
Hansen said the inclusion factor was one of the best — and probably biggest — change he’s seen through the years.
“The senior classes, for many years now, have been with kids with disabilities, and my hope is that it’s human nature to treat those kids with respect, and I think they do,” he said.
“Whenever I get teachers from the outside, they always talk about how good the kids with disabilities are treated in our buildings,” Hansen added. “Maybe that’s the thing that I’m most proud of.”
As an administrator, Hansen said his biggest challenge — and most important duty — was trying to get the special needs students across the stage with a diploma and developing programs to help them actually get a job while holding that diploma.
“Those are the kids that I hope I changed,” he said.
Sports have been a very integral part of both his schooling and his career. He played football while a student at Lincoln and also was an assistant football coach for 30 years. He also helped coach basketball for a few years.
“Athletics can teach you lessons that sometimes books can’t teach you … fall on your face, get up; get beat, get humiliated and come back from that,” he said. “I was fortunate because I worked with two gentlemen who were hall of fame coaches.”
Hansen said it’s very hard to leave. “But it’s time … it’s time,” he said. “There are a lot of other things I’d like to try.”
Hansen is also involved in city and county politics, and is a member of Out of Time, a rock and roll band.
“I figure Springsteen is 64 and he can still be singing,” he joked.
He leaves with a heart full of gratitude and hope for the future.
“I feel good about the district. I think the new superintendent, Mark Holzman, is strong and I like where he’s going and what he’s doing,” he said. “I have kind of had a storied career. I taught, I had my career in the city I grew up in, screwed up sometimes, but knew enough people who would forgive me, married a goddess, and raised three pretty good kids. I guess I got pretty lucky.”
He was insistent that Dave must join this club. Dave asked him why. Why should he be interested in joining this?
Retired Dep. BUSHMAN was “group leader” of the MTSO officers (including Bone-Finder JOST) who "discovered" the cell phone barrel the morning of Nov 7th. And not one CASO deputy anywhere in sight.
http://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/investigations/2016/09/12/manitowoc-sheriff-under-fire-1999-homicide/80862938/
http://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/investigations/2016/09/13/missteps-hamper-1999-hit-and-run-death-probe/87390800/
http://www.postcrescent.com/longform/news/investigations/2016/09/14/mother-wants-forgive-hersons-killer/87542208/>
When did the rumors start that it was a police cover up?
By 2much2know, RickyHcase
I thought Bushman was the lead investigator until he retired but according to Ferak's article that wasn't until 1995. Then I came across this and it got me wondering when the rumors started and why Hermann took over the case 2 1/2 weeks into the investigation.
Part One of MTSO's report, pg. 38
01/28/99@ 1300 Hrs.: There was a meeting on 2nd floor in Administration. Officers present were Deputy Jost, Deputy P. Herrmann, Deputy A. Colborn, Deputy Glaeser, Det. Sgt. Lenk, C.I. Kusche, Inspector Petersen, and me (Lt. M. Bushman). Officers were advised that Deputy Herrmann was now assigned to this case full-time and will be spear-heading the investigation follow-up duties. I was assigned to track down all Crime Stopper reports and file them together in one location. Det. Nicholson was assigned to provide computer programming to help with time line, suspects, and suspect vehicles. Deputy Glaeser, Deputy Jost, and Deputy Colborn were assigned to check suspect vehicles and follow-up on Crime Stopper reports. Det. Sgt. Lenk and C. I. Kusche will organize. Det. Conrad will help with investigation if needed. Deputy Herrmann will do follow-up investigation of suspects' associates, coordinate and update, and maintain a current list of suspect names and vehicles for follow-up.
So when Debi is talking to Colburn and Ledvina and she asks them about the list of all the vehicles that were checked out they tell her they don't know where it is. So read the last line of the report again, "Deputy Herrmann will do follow-up investigation of suspects' associates, coordinate and update, and maintain a current list of suspect names and vehicles for follow-up."
[–]PoorWanderingOne
Almost immediately, as I recall.
I'm only a couple years older than Ricky would be were he still alive today, and his story affected be strongly from the get-go. Being from the Manitowoc/Two Rivers area, I'm very, very familiar with how LE in the area 'handles' things, and how much HOW they handle things is related to what kind of person they feel you are, and what kind of family name it is that you have.
Note: User PoorWanderingOne is a former resident of Manitowoc County.
[–]alanamb37
I am a resident of Sheboygan WI. I can say with 100% confidence, that the entire media coverage of the trial only depicted the views of the prosecution. Unless one sat in that courtroom every day throughout the entirety of the trial, it is virtually impossible to have known what we saw in this accurate portrayal of the facts. I have waited 10 yrs to hear the truth. Unfortunately, because Sheboygan, ManitaWACK and the surrounding counties are filled with racist, judgemental hicks, Steven and Brendan never stood a chance.
Oh and that "hillbilly accent" the Avery's have is very common lingo in these parts: "Der hey don't cha know" Ya hay adda hay Sheboygan Bratwurst Days Der Hay." This is an actual jingle played every August ... No, you can't make this up. I have been reading Brian McCorkle's Blog ... The Convoluted Brian. There is an OUTRAGEOUS account of an alternative suspect. I think it deserves looking into.
Who killed 17-year old Richard 'Ricky' Hochstetler via hit-and-run in 1999 in Manitowoc? Small-town mystery with rumors of police corruption.
By PoorWanderingOne, UnresolvedMysteries
August 24, 2015
https://www.postcrescent.com/videos/news/investigations/2016/09/12/90256000/
https://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/investigations/2016/09/12/manitowoc-sheriff-under-fire-1999-homicide/80862938/
[–]alanamb37
I RECIEVED THIS EMAIL. IF YOU WANT THE NUMBER CONTACT ME
I'm writing about the corruption in Manitowoc County, it is somewhat related to the Steven Avery/Brenden Dassey case on Netflix.
The day before Christmas(this year) I called the Manitowoc Sheriffs office to report that Kay Kocourek had told me that Tom Kocourek, the ex sheriff here in our county, Ran over and killed Ricky Hockstettler in 1999
I also told them that I was told that the vehicle was repaired at Pietroske s dealership and that I was told a man named Nick did the bodywork .
I made it clear that I didn't know if the allegations were true or not but that this needed to be investigated. They told me they would make an apt for me to come in for a taped/filmed statement. Within an hour detective Dan Weyker(920-683-5011) called me up and said that WE have already investigated everything and and that I wouldn't need to come to the station.
I've been targeted by this police organization ever since I got involved in Joe Dheins' case.
He was getting railroaded by the counties metro police division.
He came to the tavern I was bartending at while attending the university of wi. Manitowoc campus.
He told me some details and I asked if I could help. I set him up with an attorney Russel Stewart, the Ballesteros(sp?) bros lawyer in Milwaukee.
At the trial the person that metro used as a witness stated that he was drunk when the metro unit picked him up and that his statements were false and that the police cohersed(sp? again) and made him file a false witness statement.
The case was dismissed.
When Joe first approached me at the bar he stated that he was being targeted by metro because he knew that Mark Anderson, head of metro at the time, had sexually abused Donnie Hein's nephew (a friend of Joe).
Kay was afraid to file a statement herself because she was abused in the Kocourek homes basement growing up and forced to perform felatio on her brother Gary.
Kay has since passed, it would seem that these allegations or statements can't be verified but Kays sister Sal is still alive and these same incestual (sp again but I'm not looking up words in the dictionary at this point) practices were done to her.
Robert Schmidt(920 860 1167) Kay's husband at the time of her death informed me that Kay and Sal went to her parents but were told that this didn't happen in a Kocourek household.
He was also told the stories by Kay about her going to talk with brother Tom about the accident.
Jeff Thompson(920 860 1124) was also told.
I told Charlie Blish (920 973 6233) everything I knew over a lot of phone calls, I did this because he owned BD communications and did a lot of wiring for the count sheriffs dept.
I wanted them to know that I knew things and that if they quit targeting me, my family and my friends that I would just shut up.
I need to know where and how to make my statements. I also know and have talked to the german woman in this blog http://www.convolutedbrian.com/an-alternative.html and have talked to Dave from this you tube video https://www.youtube.com/embed/je35gOEL5wQ?autoplay=1
We need advice up here and we need to know who to report this info too. Please help my number is..
[–]DaCodfather
That's my email. Do you think you could take that down quicker than you could dig my foot out of your butt? People involved have friends and family up here. You're putting them in jeopardy. I'm in contact with the right people now. We're sitting here with our drapes pulled during the holiday season for the christs sakes. Everyone of my neighbors are looking for snipers in the cemetery across the street. wth is wrong with you?
[–]headstilldown
"I told Charlie........everything.....he owned BD communications."
Wow.... and Prior to BD communications, he worked for Intellicom, and the owner of Intellicom, who many people knew and respected, ALSO worked for the County of Manitowoc and was suddenly wisked away and accused of some sort of "Child Porn" something or another in another county. No one could hardly believe this happened, but to my knowledge, he has been locked away in Green Bay with no contact with his family.
Did Mr. Intellicom stumble across something while he was working at the County ???
Wow... just wow. SMALL WORLD !
[–]knowjustice
This is likely the "cover-up" Avery mentioned in his letter. He said "LS" [Lakeshore Drive/South 10th Street] which is about one mile east of County Road "CR," which was US-141 until I-43 was built. Both head south from Manitowoc towards Cleveland/Sheboygan.
Here's the handwritten page to the reporter (as written)...
Hi Colleen Henry
here put this on and I will talk to you, and do a investigation of the Sheriff of Manitowoc County!!! ask were is his Van!!!
Is this for real?
[–]ardoin
Survey says "absolutely fucking not".
Yeah, like a person with that information is just going to wait and hold on to it until the "perpetrator" appears in something major.
Yeah, that seems like something someone with real information would do. Hold on to it as long as possible without telling anyone, ever, and then says it seventeen years later at a time to make it seem worse for someone.
I need to know where and how to make my statements.
Please, go ahead. I'd love to see you get charged for slander. Because that's what's going to happen if you don't immediately get laughed at. Sorry, bud.
[–]headstilldown
Give the guy a break. Sounds like there might literally be no where to go with any "evidence" as no one will listen. I've got acquaintances there and I believe some of them are and have been scared into silence. All they get is the cops "already got it all taken care of"... move along.....
[–]ardoin
Yeah, sorry to put him down like that. But just making public allegations this way doesn't really benefit him any, or the case.
The cops will keep it cold. Honestly, hit and runs are so common, even an actually good police force can't solve it. It's the nature of the crime. Life isn't fair sometimes. Hell, I had a car fall victim to hit and run. I didn't even report it because I knew it couldn't be solved.
[–]primak
bunch of crap
[–]PoorWanderingOne[S]
At the time, the place that said event was supposed to have been held at was called Club Bil-Mar. That business closed some time ago and I believe has most recently been called the name you mentioned- City Limits.
As far as the documentation.. I sure don't know. It certainly wasn't reported in any of the local news outlets.
Op, do you know who owned the previous bar at the the time?
[–]PoorWanderingOne[S]
I believe it was a married couple named Stanley and Mary Bajdan. The owners of the current City Limits are Mary's daughter and son-in-law.
[–]cday119
I think it should be public record as to who was on the police payroll. Then you could do a search to see where these people lived, the article said they were heading south, that is a pretty sparsely populated area. Now if you could get DMV records for the registered owners that might also give some clues.
[–]cday119
If I was at that restaurant I'd probably go north a little bit to get on the southbound interstate to get to Sheboygan. So I would think anyone going south on that road is close to their destination, otherwise they would have been on the interstate. Of course this isn't the route everyone would take.
[–]astralsled
I don't know this area at all but did want to point out that if someone was driving drunk they may have chosen to take the more isolated route where they could drive slower and be around less other vehicles (and be less likely to be pulled over, if it wasn't a cop who did it.) So it doesn't necessarily mean they had to be local.
[–]alemaron
except that you don't have to go north to get onto the interstate. there is an interchange for i43 on county road C about 2-3 miles south of the incident. anyone who knows the area would use that interchange to go south from the bil-mar.
[–]PoorWanderingOne[S]
Exactly correct- if they're headed from the manitowoc area toward sheboygan or any other points south, most all people there do take interstate 43 rather than this county highway. They might if they were wanting to take the scenic route, but that probably wouldn't apply here, since it was late at night and dark.
[–]alanamb37
I have info on this
[–]WiscoBiz
And?
[–]DaCodfather
Just so you people know why he received my email- I talked to a man at wbay TV, a man with integrity. I told him this story and he said to report it to Brown Counties Sheriff dept. After my statement they said we'd like to help you BUT it's not our jurisdiction and they suggested I call the state police, which I did. The state police at Fond du Lac said the same thing and suggested I call the criminal investigation unit in Madison,608 266 1671. They unbelievably said no one was available for this and that I could fill out a form.
I stated this was unacceptable and that I needed to come in and get a taped statement and that I was going to the FBI and I hung up. I waited a couple of days, trying to figure out where to go with this, and finally sent it to the MinnFBI and the federal DOJ. When I received no reply from them I decided to go directly to the lions den. I called the Manitowoc Sheriffs Dept. and spoke to the switchboard or desk person and stated that I needed to know the process to come in to make a report on the 99' death of Ricky Hockstettler. I then told her that I didn't know if this was true or not but it needs to be investigated.
I had told her what Kay, the ex sheriffs sister, had told me. She patched me through to a lower ranking deputy sheriff officer that I told what Kay had said. He said that they would set up an appt. for this week for me to come in. Within an hour, Dan Weyker (920 683 5011)called me back and I told him what Kay said and that another person told me that the vehicle(Toms) was fixed at Pietroskies by a bodyman that he thought was named Nick. He, Weyker, then told me that WE investigated this all back in '99 and that it was a Copps dept store party at the Bilmar. He then asked who I all told this stuff to. I replied no one and that this was a small town, knowing full well my list would all be intimidated. It's happened in this county before.
I then reached out to Brian McCorkle who blew me off.
So I reached out to Trump, I built his tennis courts at Mar A Lago in Florida, The old Emily Post Mansion. My friends explained why he couldn't do anything and I regretted sending it to him, bummer cause I really like that guy.
At this point I was getting sick(stress really makes the disease I have worse) and didn't know where to turn I then reached out to Jerry Buting but couldn't find his email addy Don't ask, I was really sick.
I contacted Bogatka(DrNephilim666) a few times to let him know that a person I know had invited me to his bar giveaway by the police and that I had found a person that had witnessed the ritualistic chanting that he talked about in his youtube statement to the 4 FBI branches that he sent the videos to. The house(mini mansion for these parts) was located on top of Spring St. in Manitowoc and owned by a family named Hansen(Hi Biff). The house is located on Michigan Ave I think, I'm not about to leave this post box to check google maps.
Parcel Number: 052-183-005-521.00
Municipality: CITY OF MANITOWOC
Owner(s) Name: PAUL B HANSEN
Location Address: 1502 MICHIGAN AVE
Mailing Address: 1502 MICHIGAN AVE
City, State, Zip: MANITOWOC WI 54220-3110
I have alot more info but that is going straight to Buting and Anonymous soon, probally as soon as I'm done typing here.
If you guys want to have a good read go to the 'Justice for Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey' group on Facebook, it's a closed group and you will need to be accepted.
As Terrel said "Get you popcorn ready" cause I'm not staying intimidated anymore....
I promised Kay one day I would find a way to get her story out, and I made a promise to Rickys mother too.
Enough is enough. Now lets get the post with names down, please. I've got this handled.
My email to the poster above was only made to leave enough foot prints that maybe they wouldn't off me
[–]headstilldown
A guy I know that still lives in the area went to the AG's office in Madison some years ago to expose the wrong doing of Manty cops and as I recall ended up fearing for his life. His story of what happened there was insane.
[–]DaCodfather
As you folks can tell I tried many avenues to get 1, just 1 law enforcement agency to take my statement so something like this wouldn't get posted on the internet in plain sight.
I'm sorry that my friends names and numbers got posted.
Kay, Rickys mom, the Averys and many more families in Manitowoc County have cried themselves to sleep many nights,
If they come to kill me today I just don't give a shit.
BUT, you crooked cops should be forewarned that my house is set up with a camera so that the world can see.
I didn't believe what the German woman told me at Glenns bar but the fact that a cop was sitting at the end of the bar (by the pay phone) keeping an eye on her and her violent husband made me keep coming back to check on her.
The cops haircut and black leather jacket just didn't fit in, so I took note.
After three or four visits she just disappeared.
I was on the run since 1980, after getting Dhien the lawyer that law enforcement round these parts refer to as the mob.
No drivers license and no pay stubs. Whenever my personal info hit the data banks(such as a paystub or my california license) I'd be on the road again.
I'm sure the Manitowoc sheriffs Dept is starting a smear campaign against me now as I type, but folks If I needed to be put in jail they would have me there now, silenced.
So whatever they come up with I just don't care. I'm somewhat proud of my ccap record, the police should give me a medal. The last 5 guys I beat the hell out of are all dead. Not by me, they were the type of dealers that sold drugs to people that hurt people. The cops were either not smart enough to catch them or the criminals were just so dumb that it was easier for the cops to keep track of all their(the people I fought with) druggie friends. I don't know.
The arguments I got into with my ex was caused by the law also. When I was away in the navy one of the business owners up here thought it was acceptable to pursue my then wife.
The DrNephilim666 videos on youtube will tell you all you need to know about the club. If anything up here resembled a mafia it was this "club". Watch all 3 parts, I'm not leaving this box to post a clickable link.
Go ahead and look at my ccap. Steven Walter (Willard) (My confirmation name, which is my Dad who was set up by these turds also) Grimm.
Enough is enough. I'm ready to play dueling polygraphs with the whole lot of em.
When I was about 13 my mother told me there's a certain group of people that think they run this town.
She said the undesirables get felonies and get disarmmed.
She told me life isn't about what you're looking at, it's what you see and that it's not about what you're listening to but what you hear.
She used to come home in a jailers sheriff outfit and play cribbage all night with judge Jones while bartending.
She'd come home with some wild conspiricy(sp but what ever I have a headache) theories and I'd listen to them all.
You pukes up here have to stop setting people up. I could list alot of people that did nothing wrong but the Manitowoc create a criminal code just keeps rolling along.
Forgive my grammatical and spelling errors folks, most of the time I'm typing in the dark and I'm frazzled waiting for them to knock the door down.
More to come from what should be known in the future as Avery county, if I'm still here and I have the internet yet. Have a good day....
[–]primak
You're full of it, I was never in any Glenn's Bar and I'm not even German...loser. Hope you're back on your meds!
[–]PoorWanderingOne[S]
Just wanted to mention that I have been seeing this thread being posted in various Manitowoc discussion forums on fb.. I think that's a good thing; we shall see what kind of additional attention it receives.
[–]DaCodfather
More interesting reading about our fine community-
http://manitowocmegaphone.blogspot.com/2014/01/welcome-to-dystop-acratic-party-part-i.html
[–]jesusbuiltmyboxmod
Charges filed 3 days ago against this dude [Steven Walter Grimm] for assault and criminal damages if he is who he says he is...
[–]ThatReddit
To be fair to the suspect, that school does look like a castle.
Article and video at the link below has been removed:
http://wbay.com/2016/01/14/manitowoc-school-intruder-taken-into-custody/
Police: Manitowoc school intruder high on drugs, thought he was a knight
By Rhonda Roberts and Sari Soffer
Published: January 14, 2016, 8:59 am
Manitowoc Lincoln High School went into lockdown Thursday morning after a man on drugs was found inside, thinking he was in a castle, police say.
Steven Grimm, 58, was arrested for trespassing, damaging property for breaking the window of an empty classroom, battery for fighting with school staff, and burglary.
Police say Grimm admitted using marijuana, narcotics and alcohol the night before. He told police he thought he was a knight.
“Throughout the night he was having some illusions of being a knight in a castle, and with the way that Lincoln High School is shaped, with that tower up there, his goal was getting up into that tower,” Police Capt. Larry Zimney said.
Police say Grimm was on the third floor heading for the school tower when a student noticed him, knew he didn’t belong in the school, and alerted staff. That was about 6:45 a.m.
The Manitowoc Public School District says custodians tried to contain Grimm, who lunged at them and punched them.
“He made a comment that he had to leave now, and then immediately lunged at them, striking them with his fist,” Zimney said.
Officers were able to quickly arrest Grimm, who didn’t have any weapons. He’s being held in the Manitowoc County Jail.
Officers then started a sweep of the rest of the school to make sure no one else was inside.
Students arriving for classes were told to go to the cafeteria or auditorium — areas police cleared as “safe zones” — while officers searched the building.
“I just came into the doors and there were a bunch of cop cars, like it wasn’t normal at first. And then they just told us to go to the auditorium or cafeteria and they explained really what happened, someone broke in,” said student Jordan Meisner.
“They say whatever happened, the police took care of it, class just resumed,” senior Mollie Hang said.
The lockdown was lifted shortly after 8 a.m. and students went to class.
Police plan to review school security videos to figure out how he got inside the school but say it’s likely he walked in after school doors opened around 6 a.m.
“We have students who do fitness classes and clubs beginning as early as 6:30 in the morning supervised by staff, so we will confine to review the process, but we do have to have some doors open for our students to be able to come in,” Superintendent Mark Holzman said.
The superintendent says they’ll review security policies after police finish their investigation, but 1,300 students attend Lincoln High School so it’ll be difficult to limit entrances during the morning hours.
Update: Steven Grimm’s bail was set at $1,000 cash Friday. As of 3:30 Friday afternoon, he was still in the Manitowoc County Jail.
Manitowoc Lincoln High intruder due in court
USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin
January 23, 2016
A Manitowoc man who caused a lockdown Jan. 14 at Lincoln High School during which he thought he was a knight in a castle is due in Manitowoc County Circuit Court.
Steven W. Grimm, 58, will make his initial appearance before Judge Mark Rohrer at 2:30 p.m., Monday, Jan. 25.
He stands charged with felony substantial battery/intend bodily harm, and three misdemeanor charges — battery and two counts of criminal damage to property.
He faces a maximum penalty of one-and-a-half years in prison for the felony, and nine months for each of the misdemeanors.
According to the Manitowoc Police Department:
Officers were called to the school at about 6:45 a.m. after a student allegedly saw Grimm on the third floor and alerted staff members.
When custodial staff approached Grimm, who likely entered the school through an unlocked door a short time earlier, he became combative, said Capt. Larry Zimney of the Manitowoc Police Department. Grimm reportedly punched two custodians, one of whom was hit in the face and received minor injuries.
Staff members were able to detain Grimm until officers arrived and arrested him.
"This guy is all strung out on drugs and drinking and stuff like that," Assistant Chief Scott Luchterhand said. "Sounds like he was (at local bars) earlier in the night and supposedly was following some bunny tracks up to Lincoln High School ... and entered the high school."
Grimm cooperated with police when questioned, Zimney said. He admitted to using marijuana, narcotics and alcohol during the evening before entering the school.
At some point, Grimm also tried to get into the tower of the school and broke a window on an interior door in his attempts to do so, police said. He told officers he thought he was a knight in a castle and wanted to get to the highest part of the school.
"I can't make this stuff up," Zimney said.
The school went into lockdown while officers searched the school to ensure no other unauthorized people were inside.
Students and staff waited in the auditorium and cafeteria until about 8 a.m., according to a statement from the Manitowoc Public School District. After the school was deemed safe, classes resumed as usual.
Grimm didn’t have any weapons when he was arrested. He was released on $1,000 bail with the conditions that he have no contact with any schools or their premises, no contact with Manitowoc Public Utilities or their premises, and no contact with the victims or any premises they may occupy, and he must maintain absolute sobriety.
[-]magiclougie
Steven W. Grimm, age 59, a Manitowoc resident, entered eternal life on Friday, July 1, 2016 at his residence. His death was almost a year after the comments about Tom Kocourek and Biff Hansen on reddit (user DaCodfather).
Judge rules free speech rights violatedhttp://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/investigations/2016/09/13/missteps-hamper-1999-hit-and-run-death-probe/87390800/
http://www.postcrescent.com/longform/news/investigations/2016/09/14/mother-wants-forgive-hersons-killer/87542208/>
When did the rumors start that it was a police cover up?
By 2much2know, RickyHcase
I thought Bushman was the lead investigator until he retired but according to Ferak's article that wasn't until 1995. Then I came across this and it got me wondering when the rumors started and why Hermann took over the case 2 1/2 weeks into the investigation.
Part One of MTSO's report, pg. 38
01/28/99@ 1300 Hrs.: There was a meeting on 2nd floor in Administration. Officers present were Deputy Jost, Deputy P. Herrmann, Deputy A. Colborn, Deputy Glaeser, Det. Sgt. Lenk, C.I. Kusche, Inspector Petersen, and me (Lt. M. Bushman). Officers were advised that Deputy Herrmann was now assigned to this case full-time and will be spear-heading the investigation follow-up duties. I was assigned to track down all Crime Stopper reports and file them together in one location. Det. Nicholson was assigned to provide computer programming to help with time line, suspects, and suspect vehicles. Deputy Glaeser, Deputy Jost, and Deputy Colborn were assigned to check suspect vehicles and follow-up on Crime Stopper reports. Det. Sgt. Lenk and C. I. Kusche will organize. Det. Conrad will help with investigation if needed. Deputy Herrmann will do follow-up investigation of suspects' associates, coordinate and update, and maintain a current list of suspect names and vehicles for follow-up.
So when Debi is talking to Colburn and Ledvina and she asks them about the list of all the vehicles that were checked out they tell her they don't know where it is. So read the last line of the report again, "Deputy Herrmann will do follow-up investigation of suspects' associates, coordinate and update, and maintain a current list of suspect names and vehicles for follow-up."
[–]PoorWanderingOne
Almost immediately, as I recall.
I'm only a couple years older than Ricky would be were he still alive today, and his story affected be strongly from the get-go. Being from the Manitowoc/Two Rivers area, I'm very, very familiar with how LE in the area 'handles' things, and how much HOW they handle things is related to what kind of person they feel you are, and what kind of family name it is that you have.
Note: User PoorWanderingOne is a former resident of Manitowoc County.
[–]alanamb37
I am a resident of Sheboygan WI. I can say with 100% confidence, that the entire media coverage of the trial only depicted the views of the prosecution. Unless one sat in that courtroom every day throughout the entirety of the trial, it is virtually impossible to have known what we saw in this accurate portrayal of the facts. I have waited 10 yrs to hear the truth. Unfortunately, because Sheboygan, ManitaWACK and the surrounding counties are filled with racist, judgemental hicks, Steven and Brendan never stood a chance.
Oh and that "hillbilly accent" the Avery's have is very common lingo in these parts: "Der hey don't cha know" Ya hay adda hay Sheboygan Bratwurst Days Der Hay." This is an actual jingle played every August ... No, you can't make this up. I have been reading Brian McCorkle's Blog ... The Convoluted Brian. There is an OUTRAGEOUS account of an alternative suspect. I think it deserves looking into.
Who killed 17-year old Richard 'Ricky' Hochstetler via hit-and-run in 1999 in Manitowoc? Small-town mystery with rumors of police corruption.
By PoorWanderingOne, UnresolvedMysteries
August 24, 2015
https://www.postcrescent.com/videos/news/investigations/2016/09/12/90256000/
https://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/investigations/2016/09/12/manitowoc-sheriff-under-fire-1999-homicide/80862938/
[–]alanamb37
I RECIEVED THIS EMAIL. IF YOU WANT THE NUMBER CONTACT ME
The day before Christmas(this year) I called the Manitowoc Sheriffs office to report that Kay Kocourek had told me that Tom Kocourek, the ex sheriff here in our county, Ran over and killed Ricky Hockstettler in 1999
I also told them that I was told that the vehicle was repaired at Pietroske s dealership and that I was told a man named Nick did the bodywork .
I made it clear that I didn't know if the allegations were true or not but that this needed to be investigated. They told me they would make an apt for me to come in for a taped/filmed statement. Within an hour detective Dan Weyker(920-683-5011) called me up and said that WE have already investigated everything and and that I wouldn't need to come to the station.
I've been targeted by this police organization ever since I got involved in Joe Dheins' case.
He was getting railroaded by the counties metro police division.
He came to the tavern I was bartending at while attending the university of wi. Manitowoc campus.
He told me some details and I asked if I could help. I set him up with an attorney Russel Stewart, the Ballesteros(sp?) bros lawyer in Milwaukee.
At the trial the person that metro used as a witness stated that he was drunk when the metro unit picked him up and that his statements were false and that the police cohersed(sp? again) and made him file a false witness statement.
The case was dismissed.
When Joe first approached me at the bar he stated that he was being targeted by metro because he knew that Mark Anderson, head of metro at the time, had sexually abused Donnie Hein's nephew (a friend of Joe).
Kay was afraid to file a statement herself because she was abused in the Kocourek homes basement growing up and forced to perform felatio on her brother Gary.
Kay has since passed, it would seem that these allegations or statements can't be verified but Kays sister Sal is still alive and these same incestual (sp again but I'm not looking up words in the dictionary at this point) practices were done to her.
Robert Schmidt(920 860 1167) Kay's husband at the time of her death informed me that Kay and Sal went to her parents but were told that this didn't happen in a Kocourek household.
He was also told the stories by Kay about her going to talk with brother Tom about the accident.
Jeff Thompson(920 860 1124) was also told.
I told Charlie Blish (920 973 6233) everything I knew over a lot of phone calls, I did this because he owned BD communications and did a lot of wiring for the count sheriffs dept.
I wanted them to know that I knew things and that if they quit targeting me, my family and my friends that I would just shut up.
I need to know where and how to make my statements. I also know and have talked to the german woman in this blog http://www.convolutedbrian.com/an-alternative.html and have talked to Dave from this you tube video https://www.youtube.com/embed/je35gOEL5wQ?autoplay=1
We need advice up here and we need to know who to report this info too. Please help my number is..
[–]DaCodfather
That's my email. Do you think you could take that down quicker than you could dig my foot out of your butt? People involved have friends and family up here. You're putting them in jeopardy. I'm in contact with the right people now. We're sitting here with our drapes pulled during the holiday season for the christs sakes. Everyone of my neighbors are looking for snipers in the cemetery across the street. wth is wrong with you?
[–]headstilldown
"I told Charlie........everything.....he owned BD communications."
Wow.... and Prior to BD communications, he worked for Intellicom, and the owner of Intellicom, who many people knew and respected, ALSO worked for the County of Manitowoc and was suddenly wisked away and accused of some sort of "Child Porn" something or another in another county. No one could hardly believe this happened, but to my knowledge, he has been locked away in Green Bay with no contact with his family.
Did Mr. Intellicom stumble across something while he was working at the County ???
Wow... just wow. SMALL WORLD !
[–]knowjustice
This is likely the "cover-up" Avery mentioned in his letter. He said "LS" [Lakeshore Drive/South 10th Street] which is about one mile east of County Road "CR," which was US-141 until I-43 was built. Both head south from Manitowoc towards Cleveland/Sheboygan.
Here's the handwritten page to the reporter (as written)...
Hi Colleen Henry
here put this on and I will talk to you, and do a investigation of the Sheriff of Manitowoc County!!! ask were is his Van!!!
[–][deleted]
Is this for real?
[–]ardoin
Survey says "absolutely fucking not".
Yeah, like a person with that information is just going to wait and hold on to it until the "perpetrator" appears in something major.
Yeah, that seems like something someone with real information would do. Hold on to it as long as possible without telling anyone, ever, and then says it seventeen years later at a time to make it seem worse for someone.
I need to know where and how to make my statements.
Please, go ahead. I'd love to see you get charged for slander. Because that's what's going to happen if you don't immediately get laughed at. Sorry, bud.
[–]headstilldown
Give the guy a break. Sounds like there might literally be no where to go with any "evidence" as no one will listen. I've got acquaintances there and I believe some of them are and have been scared into silence. All they get is the cops "already got it all taken care of"... move along.....
[–]ardoin
Yeah, sorry to put him down like that. But just making public allegations this way doesn't really benefit him any, or the case.
The cops will keep it cold. Honestly, hit and runs are so common, even an actually good police force can't solve it. It's the nature of the crime. Life isn't fair sometimes. Hell, I had a car fall victim to hit and run. I didn't even report it because I knew it couldn't be solved.
[–]primak
bunch of crap
[–]PoorWanderingOne[S]
At the time, the place that said event was supposed to have been held at was called Club Bil-Mar. That business closed some time ago and I believe has most recently been called the name you mentioned- City Limits.
As far as the documentation.. I sure don't know. It certainly wasn't reported in any of the local news outlets.
[–]SuperSpecialUserNo Report Dennis Jacobs. Mr Do we have a body yet? and the supposed collector of GZ VM from Teresa that is missing lives Right between The Sheriff Being sued back then Kocourek, and the Current Sheriff Hermann? Interesting!! pic.twitter.com/8d2TnjSjH5— JynxTheAwesome (@MysticJynx) July 27, 2018
Op, do you know who owned the previous bar at the the time?
[–]PoorWanderingOne[S]
I believe it was a married couple named Stanley and Mary Bajdan. The owners of the current City Limits are Mary's daughter and son-in-law.
[–]cday119
I think it should be public record as to who was on the police payroll. Then you could do a search to see where these people lived, the article said they were heading south, that is a pretty sparsely populated area. Now if you could get DMV records for the registered owners that might also give some clues.
[–]cday119
If I was at that restaurant I'd probably go north a little bit to get on the southbound interstate to get to Sheboygan. So I would think anyone going south on that road is close to their destination, otherwise they would have been on the interstate. Of course this isn't the route everyone would take.
[–]astralsled
I don't know this area at all but did want to point out that if someone was driving drunk they may have chosen to take the more isolated route where they could drive slower and be around less other vehicles (and be less likely to be pulled over, if it wasn't a cop who did it.) So it doesn't necessarily mean they had to be local.
[–]alemaron
except that you don't have to go north to get onto the interstate. there is an interchange for i43 on county road C about 2-3 miles south of the incident. anyone who knows the area would use that interchange to go south from the bil-mar.
[–]PoorWanderingOne[S]
Exactly correct- if they're headed from the manitowoc area toward sheboygan or any other points south, most all people there do take interstate 43 rather than this county highway. They might if they were wanting to take the scenic route, but that probably wouldn't apply here, since it was late at night and dark.
[–]alanamb37
I have info on this
[–]WiscoBiz
And?
[–]DaCodfather
Just so you people know why he received my email- I talked to a man at wbay TV, a man with integrity. I told him this story and he said to report it to Brown Counties Sheriff dept. After my statement they said we'd like to help you BUT it's not our jurisdiction and they suggested I call the state police, which I did. The state police at Fond du Lac said the same thing and suggested I call the criminal investigation unit in Madison,608 266 1671. They unbelievably said no one was available for this and that I could fill out a form.
I stated this was unacceptable and that I needed to come in and get a taped statement and that I was going to the FBI and I hung up. I waited a couple of days, trying to figure out where to go with this, and finally sent it to the MinnFBI and the federal DOJ. When I received no reply from them I decided to go directly to the lions den. I called the Manitowoc Sheriffs Dept. and spoke to the switchboard or desk person and stated that I needed to know the process to come in to make a report on the 99' death of Ricky Hockstettler. I then told her that I didn't know if this was true or not but it needs to be investigated.
I had told her what Kay, the ex sheriffs sister, had told me. She patched me through to a lower ranking deputy sheriff officer that I told what Kay had said. He said that they would set up an appt. for this week for me to come in. Within an hour, Dan Weyker (920 683 5011)called me back and I told him what Kay said and that another person told me that the vehicle(Toms) was fixed at Pietroskies by a bodyman that he thought was named Nick. He, Weyker, then told me that WE investigated this all back in '99 and that it was a Copps dept store party at the Bilmar. He then asked who I all told this stuff to. I replied no one and that this was a small town, knowing full well my list would all be intimidated. It's happened in this county before.
I then reached out to Brian McCorkle who blew me off.
So I reached out to Trump, I built his tennis courts at Mar A Lago in Florida, The old Emily Post Mansion. My friends explained why he couldn't do anything and I regretted sending it to him, bummer cause I really like that guy.
At this point I was getting sick(stress really makes the disease I have worse) and didn't know where to turn I then reached out to Jerry Buting but couldn't find his email addy Don't ask, I was really sick.
I contacted Bogatka(DrNephilim666) a few times to let him know that a person I know had invited me to his bar giveaway by the police and that I had found a person that had witnessed the ritualistic chanting that he talked about in his youtube statement to the 4 FBI branches that he sent the videos to. The house(mini mansion for these parts) was located on top of Spring St. in Manitowoc and owned by a family named Hansen(Hi Biff). The house is located on Michigan Ave I think, I'm not about to leave this post box to check google maps.
Parcel Number: 052-183-005-521.00
Municipality: CITY OF MANITOWOC
Owner(s) Name: PAUL B HANSEN
Location Address: 1502 MICHIGAN AVE
Mailing Address: 1502 MICHIGAN AVE
City, State, Zip: MANITOWOC WI 54220-3110
I have alot more info but that is going straight to Buting and Anonymous soon, probally as soon as I'm done typing here.
If you guys want to have a good read go to the 'Justice for Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey' group on Facebook, it's a closed group and you will need to be accepted.
As Terrel said "Get you popcorn ready" cause I'm not staying intimidated anymore....
I promised Kay one day I would find a way to get her story out, and I made a promise to Rickys mother too.
Enough is enough. Now lets get the post with names down, please. I've got this handled.
My email to the poster above was only made to leave enough foot prints that maybe they wouldn't off me
[–]headstilldown
A guy I know that still lives in the area went to the AG's office in Madison some years ago to expose the wrong doing of Manty cops and as I recall ended up fearing for his life. His story of what happened there was insane.
[–]DaCodfather
As you folks can tell I tried many avenues to get 1, just 1 law enforcement agency to take my statement so something like this wouldn't get posted on the internet in plain sight.
I'm sorry that my friends names and numbers got posted.
Kay, Rickys mom, the Averys and many more families in Manitowoc County have cried themselves to sleep many nights,
If they come to kill me today I just don't give a shit.
BUT, you crooked cops should be forewarned that my house is set up with a camera so that the world can see.
I didn't believe what the German woman told me at Glenns bar but the fact that a cop was sitting at the end of the bar (by the pay phone) keeping an eye on her and her violent husband made me keep coming back to check on her.
The cops haircut and black leather jacket just didn't fit in, so I took note.
After three or four visits she just disappeared.
I was on the run since 1980, after getting Dhien the lawyer that law enforcement round these parts refer to as the mob.
No drivers license and no pay stubs. Whenever my personal info hit the data banks(such as a paystub or my california license) I'd be on the road again.
I'm sure the Manitowoc sheriffs Dept is starting a smear campaign against me now as I type, but folks If I needed to be put in jail they would have me there now, silenced.
So whatever they come up with I just don't care. I'm somewhat proud of my ccap record, the police should give me a medal. The last 5 guys I beat the hell out of are all dead. Not by me, they were the type of dealers that sold drugs to people that hurt people. The cops were either not smart enough to catch them or the criminals were just so dumb that it was easier for the cops to keep track of all their(the people I fought with) druggie friends. I don't know.
The arguments I got into with my ex was caused by the law also. When I was away in the navy one of the business owners up here thought it was acceptable to pursue my then wife.
The DrNephilim666 videos on youtube will tell you all you need to know about the club. If anything up here resembled a mafia it was this "club". Watch all 3 parts, I'm not leaving this box to post a clickable link.
Go ahead and look at my ccap. Steven Walter (Willard) (My confirmation name, which is my Dad who was set up by these turds also) Grimm.
Enough is enough. I'm ready to play dueling polygraphs with the whole lot of em.
When I was about 13 my mother told me there's a certain group of people that think they run this town.
She said the undesirables get felonies and get disarmmed.
She told me life isn't about what you're looking at, it's what you see and that it's not about what you're listening to but what you hear.
She used to come home in a jailers sheriff outfit and play cribbage all night with judge Jones while bartending.
She'd come home with some wild conspiricy(sp but what ever I have a headache) theories and I'd listen to them all.
You pukes up here have to stop setting people up. I could list alot of people that did nothing wrong but the Manitowoc create a criminal code just keeps rolling along.
Forgive my grammatical and spelling errors folks, most of the time I'm typing in the dark and I'm frazzled waiting for them to knock the door down.
More to come from what should be known in the future as Avery county, if I'm still here and I have the internet yet. Have a good day....
[–]primak
You're full of it, I was never in any Glenn's Bar and I'm not even German...loser. Hope you're back on your meds!
[–]PoorWanderingOne[S]
Just wanted to mention that I have been seeing this thread being posted in various Manitowoc discussion forums on fb.. I think that's a good thing; we shall see what kind of additional attention it receives.
[–]DaCodfather
More interesting reading about our fine community-
http://manitowocmegaphone.blogspot.com/2014/01/welcome-to-dystop-acratic-party-part-i.html
[–]jesusbuiltmyboxmod
Charges filed 3 days ago against this dude [Steven Walter Grimm] for assault and criminal damages if he is who he says he is...
[–]ThatReddit
To be fair to the suspect, that school does look like a castle.
Article and video at the link below has been removed:
http://wbay.com/2016/01/14/manitowoc-school-intruder-taken-into-custody/
Police: Manitowoc school intruder high on drugs, thought he was a knight
By Rhonda Roberts and Sari Soffer
Published: January 14, 2016, 8:59 am
Manitowoc Lincoln High School went into lockdown Thursday morning after a man on drugs was found inside, thinking he was in a castle, police say.
Steven Grimm, 58, was arrested for trespassing, damaging property for breaking the window of an empty classroom, battery for fighting with school staff, and burglary.
Police say Grimm admitted using marijuana, narcotics and alcohol the night before. He told police he thought he was a knight.
“Throughout the night he was having some illusions of being a knight in a castle, and with the way that Lincoln High School is shaped, with that tower up there, his goal was getting up into that tower,” Police Capt. Larry Zimney said.
Police say Grimm was on the third floor heading for the school tower when a student noticed him, knew he didn’t belong in the school, and alerted staff. That was about 6:45 a.m.
The Manitowoc Public School District says custodians tried to contain Grimm, who lunged at them and punched them.
“He made a comment that he had to leave now, and then immediately lunged at them, striking them with his fist,” Zimney said.
Officers were able to quickly arrest Grimm, who didn’t have any weapons. He’s being held in the Manitowoc County Jail.
Officers then started a sweep of the rest of the school to make sure no one else was inside.
Students arriving for classes were told to go to the cafeteria or auditorium — areas police cleared as “safe zones” — while officers searched the building.
“I just came into the doors and there were a bunch of cop cars, like it wasn’t normal at first. And then they just told us to go to the auditorium or cafeteria and they explained really what happened, someone broke in,” said student Jordan Meisner.
“They say whatever happened, the police took care of it, class just resumed,” senior Mollie Hang said.
The lockdown was lifted shortly after 8 a.m. and students went to class.
Police plan to review school security videos to figure out how he got inside the school but say it’s likely he walked in after school doors opened around 6 a.m.
“We have students who do fitness classes and clubs beginning as early as 6:30 in the morning supervised by staff, so we will confine to review the process, but we do have to have some doors open for our students to be able to come in,” Superintendent Mark Holzman said.
The superintendent says they’ll review security policies after police finish their investigation, but 1,300 students attend Lincoln High School so it’ll be difficult to limit entrances during the morning hours.
Update: Steven Grimm’s bail was set at $1,000 cash Friday. As of 3:30 Friday afternoon, he was still in the Manitowoc County Jail.
Manitowoc Lincoln High intruder due in court
USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin
January 23, 2016
A Manitowoc man who caused a lockdown Jan. 14 at Lincoln High School during which he thought he was a knight in a castle is due in Manitowoc County Circuit Court.
Steven W. Grimm, 58, will make his initial appearance before Judge Mark Rohrer at 2:30 p.m., Monday, Jan. 25.
He stands charged with felony substantial battery/intend bodily harm, and three misdemeanor charges — battery and two counts of criminal damage to property.
He faces a maximum penalty of one-and-a-half years in prison for the felony, and nine months for each of the misdemeanors.
According to the Manitowoc Police Department:
Officers were called to the school at about 6:45 a.m. after a student allegedly saw Grimm on the third floor and alerted staff members.
When custodial staff approached Grimm, who likely entered the school through an unlocked door a short time earlier, he became combative, said Capt. Larry Zimney of the Manitowoc Police Department. Grimm reportedly punched two custodians, one of whom was hit in the face and received minor injuries.
Staff members were able to detain Grimm until officers arrived and arrested him.
"This guy is all strung out on drugs and drinking and stuff like that," Assistant Chief Scott Luchterhand said. "Sounds like he was (at local bars) earlier in the night and supposedly was following some bunny tracks up to Lincoln High School ... and entered the high school."
Grimm cooperated with police when questioned, Zimney said. He admitted to using marijuana, narcotics and alcohol during the evening before entering the school.
At some point, Grimm also tried to get into the tower of the school and broke a window on an interior door in his attempts to do so, police said. He told officers he thought he was a knight in a castle and wanted to get to the highest part of the school.
"I can't make this stuff up," Zimney said.
The school went into lockdown while officers searched the school to ensure no other unauthorized people were inside.
Students and staff waited in the auditorium and cafeteria until about 8 a.m., according to a statement from the Manitowoc Public School District. After the school was deemed safe, classes resumed as usual.
Grimm didn’t have any weapons when he was arrested. He was released on $1,000 bail with the conditions that he have no contact with any schools or their premises, no contact with Manitowoc Public Utilities or their premises, and no contact with the victims or any premises they may occupy, and he must maintain absolute sobriety.
[-]magiclougie
Steven W. Grimm, age 59, a Manitowoc resident, entered eternal life on Friday, July 1, 2016 at his residence. His death was almost a year after the comments about Tom Kocourek and Biff Hansen on reddit (user DaCodfather).
HTR Media
August 22, 2014
MANITOWOC – A federal judge ruled Tuesday former Manitowoc County board chairman Paul "Biff" Hansen went too far in stifling Jim Theyerl's constitutional right to express concerns about actions of county government and its employees.
Manitowoc County was a co-defendant in the suit filed last year by Theyerl alleging he was not "permitted to speak during the public input portion of any Manitowoc County Board meeting, on any subject" until certain conditions had been met.
William Griesbach of U.S. District Court Eastern District of Wisconsin's Green Bay Division affirmed Theyerl's First Amendment rights had been violated in awarding summary judgment to Theyerl.
County Corporation Counsel Steve Rollins said the next step will be a conference of the parties involved to determine if the case can be settled without need for a trial to determine possible awarding of monetary damages for the "emotional distress" Theyerl claims he suffered.
"The judge has determined the restriction (on Theyerl's ability to speak during public input at county board meetings) was overly broad," Rollins said. "The question now is what's the remedy."
"I am very pleased with the decision ...what Manitowoc County put me through as a taxpayer the last two years was unbearable," Theyerl, of Whitelaw, said Thursday in the wake of Griesbach's decision.
"I am looking for a settlement ...it will be a huge amount," Theyerl said, declining to be more specific.
Rollins said the county's insurance coverage covers outside attorneys' fees defense of the suit but not any damages that might be awarded to the retired truck driver. He said any financial settlement would need county board approval as a budgetary item.
Theyerl, 65, had appeared at several county board or committee meetings where during public input he sought to share information he claimed proved a county employee had viewed pornography on a work computer.
At a June 2012 county board meeting, Theyerl said he had 13 witnesses to the alleged viewing of pornographic images. However, none appeared at a subsequent ethics hearing several months later involving the particular employee.
In a July 2012 letter, Hansen told Theyerl he takes the allegations seriously and asked him to provide the name of the employee, specific description of the alleged misconduct and other details.
Theyerl's attempts to speak during public input were rebuffed by Hansen when such documentation was not provided. Hansen stated public input was not the time for unsubstantiated accusations.
"The most important thing for the public to understand is this decision in no way endorses the untrue statements about the county worker," Hansen said Thursday, expressing disappointment in Griesbach's ruling.
"It appears to be OK to make comments about other people without having any evidence and as untrue and egregious as those statements are ... they are protected by the First Amendment," Hansen said of his reaction to the judge's ruling.
He said supervisors have discussed limiting public input to only issues on the agenda. "But even with that, you could say you're going to speak on the budget and then get up" and make false statements impugning one's character.
With no delay on the cable TV broadcast of board meetings, Hansen said once the statements are made, they can't be taken back with the ensuing damage.
Ban went beyond
Griesbach said the case involves the balance of competing interests. He said the county board has an interest in maintaining order and decorum so it may efficiently handle the public's business. "It also does not want to provide an open forum for defamatory or personal accusations," the judge stated in a press release.
However, he said the effort to accomplish "these laudable goals can conflict with the individual citizen's right to free speech ... the First Amendment ... prohibits a government from discriminating against a particular speaker or viewpoint."
Griesbach said the ban prohibited Theyerl "from speaking at all, on any subject."
"There is no evidence that Hansen had the ability to read Theyerl's mind that he could regulate Theyerl's speech in advance," Griesbach stated.
He noted the plaintiff had previously expressed his views on what he considered were excessive employee salaries and other topics.
"In addition, even if Theyerl would have spoken 'about' his pornography allegations, there is no reason to believe that his speech would have been repetitive or defamatory," Griesbach stated.
If Theyerl had begun to repeat unsubstantiated allegations against the employee, "With deputies standing by, it would not have been difficult to enforce a very quick hook, and in fact that is what Hansen did on occasion," Griesbach stated.
Longtime Manitowoc educators to retire
By Ann Grote-Pirrung, USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin
May 25, 2016
When the last bell rings marking the end of the 2015-16 school year, Manitowoc Public School District will lose more than 60 years of experience as two long-term educators retire.
Paul "Biff" Hansen will retire after 38 years with the district, most recently as assistant principal at Lincoln High School, while Steven Kleinfeldt leaves after 26 years as a local elementary school principal, first at Jefferson Elementary and currently at Jackson Elementary.
The two retirees took some time recently to reflect on their rich history with the MPSD.
While Hansen has been teaching in Manitowoc County since 1978, his relationship with area schools began much earlier — 55 years, to be precise.
“I went to grade school at McKinley when I was 5 and graduated from Lincoln High School,” Hansen recalled.
He also worked as a coach at UW-Manitowoc and graduated from Silver Lake College with a degree in special education.
Hansen’s early career included stints at the Manitowoc County-run Special Ed School for the County, Two Rivers High School, Wilson Junior High and Lincoln High School, always working with children in special education.
“Always kids in need,” Hansen noted. “Always kids in need.”
Hansen has been at Lincoln High since 2001, teaching students with learning disabilities, before moving into administration in 2006.
“I was very much an advocate for getting the special ed kids in regular classes in schools,” he said. “That caused some bumps along the road for me as a special educator in the district and wanting us to go further than we were. I just got to a point where I needed something else and I thought that maybe by being an administrator I could help even more than being a classroom teacher.”
Studies show — and Hansen believes — special ed kids benefit from being with traditional ed kids and it helps the traditional ed kids, too.
At Lincoln, special ed students attend homecoming, prom and many other school events.
“A month ago at prom, there was a young lady who is confined to a motorized chair and she was on the floor dancing with other kids who don’t have disabilities. It was really cool that our kids did that,” he said. “I think it’s from growing up with differences from an early age.”
Hansen said the inclusion factor was one of the best — and probably biggest — change he’s seen through the years.
“The senior classes, for many years now, have been with kids with disabilities, and my hope is that it’s human nature to treat those kids with respect, and I think they do,” he said.
“Whenever I get teachers from the outside, they always talk about how good the kids with disabilities are treated in our buildings,” Hansen added. “Maybe that’s the thing that I’m most proud of.”
As an administrator, Hansen said his biggest challenge — and most important duty — was trying to get the special needs students across the stage with a diploma and developing programs to help them actually get a job while holding that diploma.
“Those are the kids that I hope I changed,” he said.
Sports have been a very integral part of both his schooling and his career. He played football while a student at Lincoln and also was an assistant football coach for 30 years. He also helped coach basketball for a few years.
“Athletics can teach you lessons that sometimes books can’t teach you … fall on your face, get up; get beat, get humiliated and come back from that,” he said. “I was fortunate because I worked with two gentlemen who were hall of fame coaches.”
Hansen said it’s very hard to leave. “But it’s time … it’s time,” he said. “There are a lot of other things I’d like to try.”
Hansen is also involved in city and county politics, and is a member of Out of Time, a rock and roll band.
“I figure Springsteen is 64 and he can still be singing,” he joked.
He leaves with a heart full of gratitude and hope for the future.
“I feel good about the district. I think the new superintendent, Mark Holzman, is strong and I like where he’s going and what he’s doing,” he said. “I have kind of had a storied career. I taught, I had my career in the city I grew up in, screwed up sometimes, but knew enough people who would forgive me, married a goddess, and raised three pretty good kids. I guess I got pretty lucky.”
Dave Begotka's Story (Excerpt)
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Dave learned through the media that Steven Avery had been charged in the assault and details that were presented to the public. He also heard talk from locals that the “Good Ole Boys” club were taking care of the situation to make sure that Steven Avery was sent to prison.
Naked Pictures – The Club
Not long (a month or two) after the incident on the beach Dave was at Two Rivers Tire and Muffler where he worked. A co-worker approached Dave and said a man (he called him by his name) wanted to speak to him. This man was and is a very prominent member of the community.
SIDE NOTE: We’ve not stated this person’s name. We feel this individual is very influential, having held office in local and state politics and we are concerned about back lash.
This man spoke to Dave and told him that “We” would like to invite you to join a special men’s club.
Naked Pictures – The Club
Not long (a month or two) after the incident on the beach Dave was at Two Rivers Tire and Muffler where he worked. A co-worker approached Dave and said a man (he called him by his name) wanted to speak to him. This man was and is a very prominent member of the community.
SIDE NOTE: We’ve not stated this person’s name. We feel this individual is very influential, having held office in local and state politics and we are concerned about back lash.
This man spoke to Dave and told him that “We” would like to invite you to join a special men’s club.
He showed Dave some photographs. In them were naked men, some of whom Dave recognized.
There were at least 2 high school teachers and a junior Ramblers football coach.
They appeared to be engaged in sexual acts. There were multiple men in each photo…like some kind of group thing was going on.
The guy told Dave that club members met at various hotels and venues in the area and not to worry…sometimes they got girls. He stated that many business owners and prominent people were in this club and that it was advantageous to be a member. He said Dave should come and talk to him to let him know if he wanted to participate.
Dave was freaked out by this (he was 19 at the time) and didn’t know what to say. He put the guy off and said he’d get back to him. Afterwards Dave recalls feeling stunned. He was mystified as to why this guy would show him these pictures and invite him to join this “club”. It was extremely weird.
First Learning About a “Club”
Now we’re going to go back in time to describe incidents that happened when Dave was a kid. He feels that they also relate to this “club” and are relevant to painting a picture of the culture that is part of the Manitowoc county area.
On several occasions when Dave was between 4 and 8 years old he was the victim/witness to domestic violence. These acts were committed against his family by a police officer. In one of the last and most dramatic of these incidents Dave and his family (single mother and younger sister) were forced to go into hiding because the police officer who committed the acts could not be located. Dave and his family left town and hid out at some sort of Catholic affiliated retreat in northern Wisconsin. Despite the police, a priest, several nuns, and a guidance counselor being involved and aware of the specifics of the incident, the events seemed to get covered up. It was later implied to Dave not to worry…the “Good Ole Boys Club” had taken care of it.
Fast forward to Dave’s freshman year in High School. After Dave quit football two boys on the team began to bully Dave. One of the boy’s father was rumored to be a big shot in this “Good Ole Boys Club”. These two began spreading rumors about Dave’s mother. They said that the boy’s father (the one rumored to be in the “club”) had made derogatory claims regarding Dave’s mom. The stigma of this followed Dave throughout his school days. Later on in the 90s Dave has another run in with this father in regards to the club…keep reading.
Dave’s Dungeon
In 1986 when Dave was 20 he bought a bar in the city of Manitowoc on 21st & Hamilton Streets (see 2018 image above). The bar was called Dave’s Dungeon. It was in the basement of a building the top portion of which consisted of apartments.
The guy told Dave that club members met at various hotels and venues in the area and not to worry…sometimes they got girls. He stated that many business owners and prominent people were in this club and that it was advantageous to be a member. He said Dave should come and talk to him to let him know if he wanted to participate.
Dave was freaked out by this (he was 19 at the time) and didn’t know what to say. He put the guy off and said he’d get back to him. Afterwards Dave recalls feeling stunned. He was mystified as to why this guy would show him these pictures and invite him to join this “club”. It was extremely weird.
First Learning About a “Club”
Now we’re going to go back in time to describe incidents that happened when Dave was a kid. He feels that they also relate to this “club” and are relevant to painting a picture of the culture that is part of the Manitowoc county area.
On several occasions when Dave was between 4 and 8 years old he was the victim/witness to domestic violence. These acts were committed against his family by a police officer. In one of the last and most dramatic of these incidents Dave and his family (single mother and younger sister) were forced to go into hiding because the police officer who committed the acts could not be located. Dave and his family left town and hid out at some sort of Catholic affiliated retreat in northern Wisconsin. Despite the police, a priest, several nuns, and a guidance counselor being involved and aware of the specifics of the incident, the events seemed to get covered up. It was later implied to Dave not to worry…the “Good Ole Boys Club” had taken care of it.
Fast forward to Dave’s freshman year in High School. After Dave quit football two boys on the team began to bully Dave. One of the boy’s father was rumored to be a big shot in this “Good Ole Boys Club”. These two began spreading rumors about Dave’s mother. They said that the boy’s father (the one rumored to be in the “club”) had made derogatory claims regarding Dave’s mom. The stigma of this followed Dave throughout his school days. Later on in the 90s Dave has another run in with this father in regards to the club…keep reading.
Dave’s Dungeon
In 1986 when Dave was 20 he bought a bar in the city of Manitowoc on 21st & Hamilton Streets (see 2018 image above). The bar was called Dave’s Dungeon. It was in the basement of a building the top portion of which consisted of apartments.
The place wasn’t open more than a few weeks and a man came in while Dave was bartending. Dave didn’t know the guy. He sat at the bar and ordered a few beers.
He explained to Dave that he was sent by the “club” to speak to him.
He went on to say that Dave needed to go to the basement of the Eagles Club (located in Manitowoc) in order to join this club. He didn’t say who Dave was supposed to see…just where he should go.
He was insistent that Dave must join this club. Dave asked him why. Why should he be interested in joining this?
The guy then explained how it worked. Essentially he described racketeering to Dave. He didn’t call it that…but it was the textbook definition.
Dave told this fellow sure….just to get him to leave him alone. But he had no intention of going to join anything.
Time passes. A month or two goes by. Into the bar walks the junior Ramblers football coach. This was one of the naked guys in the pictures Dave was shown after the assault on the beach.
Time passes. A month or two goes by. Into the bar walks the junior Ramblers football coach. This was one of the naked guys in the pictures Dave was shown after the assault on the beach.
The guy is friendly to Dave but starts reeling off the same speech as the man who’d been in there before. Dave needed to go to the Eagles club and join this “club”. Dave has the Ah Ha moment…this football coach guy was in the naked pictures…this is all part of the same “club”.
This reinforces Dave’s desire NOT to become involved with whomever it’s so important he go see in the Eagles basement. Dave blows the guy off, telling him sure he’ll go down there. Not!
Over the course of the year that Dave was actively tending his bar the same guy from the naked photos comes in several times. On each occasion he adamantly requests that Dave go join this club. He practically begs Dave. Telling him things such as, “You don’t want to get on the wrong side of these guys”.
Finally the last time Dave encounters this fellow he becomes belligerent. He starts yelling and waving his fist at Dave. Before storming out of the bar he tells Dave he’d better take care of joining or else “something is going to happen”. There were other people in the bar at the time who witnessed this. They even asked Dave what the guy’s problem was.
Something to add is that almost immediately after Dave opened the bar there had been one problem after another. Three different people were suing him. The city authority on housing was getting after him about the apartments in the building. There were burglaries and vandalism. It may have just been bad luck. But Dave wonders now if it could have been related to him refusing to join this “club”.
Mary Ann
About a year after Dave opened the bar he hired Mary Ann Dehne. Mary Ann had operated a bar called Pat & Mike’s just down the road from Dave’s Dungeon. She began bartending and then proposed managing the bar. Dave was pleased with the job she did and she took over the bulk of day to day responsibilities.
Mary Ann began reporting to Dave that a few men were repeatedly coming in and harassing her. She told him they were telling her that Dave had to join the “club”. Dave told Mary Ann to blow them off.
Over the course of the year that Dave was actively tending his bar the same guy from the naked photos comes in several times. On each occasion he adamantly requests that Dave go join this club. He practically begs Dave. Telling him things such as, “You don’t want to get on the wrong side of these guys”.
Finally the last time Dave encounters this fellow he becomes belligerent. He starts yelling and waving his fist at Dave. Before storming out of the bar he tells Dave he’d better take care of joining or else “something is going to happen”. There were other people in the bar at the time who witnessed this. They even asked Dave what the guy’s problem was.
Something to add is that almost immediately after Dave opened the bar there had been one problem after another. Three different people were suing him. The city authority on housing was getting after him about the apartments in the building. There were burglaries and vandalism. It may have just been bad luck. But Dave wonders now if it could have been related to him refusing to join this “club”.
Mary Ann
About a year after Dave opened the bar he hired Mary Ann Dehne. Mary Ann had operated a bar called Pat & Mike’s just down the road from Dave’s Dungeon. She began bartending and then proposed managing the bar. Dave was pleased with the job she did and she took over the bulk of day to day responsibilities.
Mary Ann began reporting to Dave that a few men were repeatedly coming in and harassing her. She told him they were telling her that Dave had to join the “club”. Dave told Mary Ann to blow them off.
On the last day Dave spoke to Mary Ann in person she said she was sleeping with a gun because she was so fearful of these people. Dave suggested they go to the police to which Mary Ann responded, “They are the police.”
Dave was preparing to travel to upstate Wisconsin on a hunting trip so he told Mary Ann he’d figure out what to do when he returned.
On Nov 15, 1988 Dave set off on his trip. He was gone for about a week and half. During that time he was unreachable by phone.
On Nov 15, 1988 Dave set off on his trip. He was gone for about a week and half. During that time he was unreachable by phone.
Upon his return his mom told him that Mary Ann had been found dead in her apartment (in Manitowoc) on the day Dave left. He couldn’t believe it.
He called a friend to go with him to Dave’s Dungeon. The bar was a mess and ransacked. It looked like it had been the scene of a big party. Everything of value was gone. All the liquor, beer, many fixtures, money.
Mary Ann’s boyfriend (Dave doesn’t remember his name) happened to drive by the bar and saw Dave’s car parked outside. He stopped in and explained to Dave that he’d been the one who found Mary Ann. He came home and discovered her lying in bed, covered in blood, dead, with a gun on the nightstand. The boyfriend claims he called the police and when they showed up they immediately handcuffed him. They suspected he killed her due to all the blood. He wasn’t cuffed for long and they released him. He told Dave they deemed the death a heart attack. Dave didn’t get further details about that incident.
The boyfriend went on to tell him about the huge, free for all party that had taken place. It had occurred the weekend after Mary Ann’s death. He said he didn’t know who opened the bar and/or started the party but apparently there were possibly hundreds of people there.
After this Dave decided to go talk to Mary Ann’s teenage son. He didn’t provide any useful details either. Dave did contact the police to report what had happened at his bar. He was informed there was nothing that the police could do.
Mary Ann’s boyfriend (Dave doesn’t remember his name) happened to drive by the bar and saw Dave’s car parked outside. He stopped in and explained to Dave that he’d been the one who found Mary Ann. He came home and discovered her lying in bed, covered in blood, dead, with a gun on the nightstand. The boyfriend claims he called the police and when they showed up they immediately handcuffed him. They suspected he killed her due to all the blood. He wasn’t cuffed for long and they released him. He told Dave they deemed the death a heart attack. Dave didn’t get further details about that incident.
The boyfriend went on to tell him about the huge, free for all party that had taken place. It had occurred the weekend after Mary Ann’s death. He said he didn’t know who opened the bar and/or started the party but apparently there were possibly hundreds of people there.
After this Dave decided to go talk to Mary Ann’s teenage son. He didn’t provide any useful details either. Dave did contact the police to report what had happened at his bar. He was informed there was nothing that the police could do.
Dave was forced to declare bankruptcy and that was the end of Dave’s Dungeon.
In the years after Dave crossed paths with individuals who claimed to have been at this party. Several times he heard that people from the “club” were at the party giving everything away.
In the years after Dave crossed paths with individuals who claimed to have been at this party. Several times he heard that people from the “club” were at the party giving everything away.
So was this the “Something is Going to Happen” that Dave was promised by the naked football coach guy?
Another Invitation
In the mid-90s (estimates it was 1995) Dave again experienced a brush with the “club”. He’d been invited to a local supper club (bar & restaurant) by friends. He suspected these friends were knowledgeable about the “club” and he’d recently been asking them about it. They’d consistently avoided answering.
On this night after the restaurant crowd had thinned the friends told Dave they had a surprise for him. They led him over to some people sitting at another area of the bar. As he approached a man introduced himself. It turned out he was the father of the kid who’d spread the rumors about Dave’s mom in high school. This guy said he wanted to invite Dave to join a special club. After realizing who the guy was Dave told him to get bent. He also confronted him about the rumors regarding his mom, and the harassment he and Mary Ann had been subjected to by this “club”. The man seemed stunned and Dave headed out of the place. His friends caught up with him at the door and told him “he had to go back”. They were adamant that Dave should make nice and that he couldn’t refuse this invitation. Dave asked them why he should. They said for jobs/work/money. He explained why he had no use for the guy handing out the invite and basically told them no thanks and he left.
County sales tax option draws opinions
TC News publisher
December 12, 2017
Kiel’s supervisor on the Manitowoc County Board, Jim Baumann (left) shares a point with Manitowoc County Board Chairman Jim Brey during the Monday town hall meeting on the potential half percent county sales tax.
Manitowoc County’s Finance Committee paid a visit to Kiel Monday evening for the purpose of hearing public input on a potential half percent county sales tax.
Although no official plan has yet been formalized to create such a sales tax or determine its distribution, the Manitowoc County Board of Supervisors committee has asked for the public to share their perspectives.
County Board Finance Committee Chairperson Biff Hansen chaired the meeting, saying, “We want to know if this is something the people want. And, if we ask for the half percent sales tax, what will we spend it on?”
The Latest On The Proposed Manitowoc County Sales Tax
Lakeshore News
May 19, 2018
The Manitowoc County Finance Committee continue to discuss the possible implementation of a half-percent sales tax. County Executive Bob Zigelbauer on where he feels the full 25-member county board is in the process.
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Zigelbauer admits the Finance Committee is warming up somewhat to the idea.
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The tax would raise $6 million annually for what committee members would like to see invested in infrastructure—especially roads. Manitowoc Mayor Justin Nickels and Two Rivers City Manager Greg Buckley have both lobbied Zigelbauer to endorse the tax saying there’s no extra money to fix what’s already broken and the costs are only going to increase with each passing year. However-cities and municipalities have no say on where the money would go—it can only be delegated by county government.
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Finance Committee chair Paul “Biff” Hansen told Seehafer News this week that they plan to reach out to Sheboygan County who recently enacted the tax to see how their handling it.
Manitowoc County is one of only six in the state without the tax.
WHO IS MIKE BUSHMAN?
Loof wasn't the first canine that tracked to Kuss Road. It would have been Mike Bushman's canine. It would explain why he was there, leading a search team, and how he discovered the disturbed area of soil in the wooded area off of Kuss Road on November 7, 2005.
Bushman was the first "canine handler" for MTSO starting in 1983.
Bushman was one of two officers who accompanied Ken Petersen to arrest Steven Avery in 1985 for a crime for which he was later exonerated and for which Avery was suing the county.
At the time of Teresa Halbach's disappearance, Bushman was retired from the K-9 Unit and worked part-time as a reserve deputy for Manitowoc County.
Nov 7th "Suspicious Incident on Kuss Rd" DISTRACTION was created by retired MTSO deputy [one of SA’s arresting officers in July 1985]
By MsMinxster, MakingaMurderer
By my count, here are the strange, coincidental connections in this investigation (that reek of conflict of interest):
Retired Dep. Bushman (led the MTSO team who found cell phone barrel on November 7 also responsible for the distraction on Kuss Rd later that day)— SA’s arresting officer in 85, investigated a sexual assault committed by Gregory Allen two weeks prior to PB assault
Nurse Fay (SA's overly enthusiastic DNA swabber on Nov 9)--Undersheriff Hermann’s next-door neighbor, Kocourek's neighbor
Remiker (found magic bullet)—Kocourek’s cousin
Sgt. Jost (part of Bushman's MTSO team who found cell phone barrel on Nov 7, 1st bone siting on Nov 8)—cousin of MH’s fiancé, cousin to Radandts
Lenk/Colborn (planted discovered Toyota key on Nov 8)—deposed in SA's civil suit for their involvement in '99 phone call regarding Gregory Allen
Pam Sturm (led by God to RAV4 on Nov 5)—cousin to Sheriff Pagel
Perhaps the reason LE was so quick to brush aside or misdirect any scrutiny on the quarry—Josh Radandt’s brother and co-owner of the quarry is married to the only granddaughter of 27-year veteran of MTSO and former Captain of Detectives, Don Belz. (During SA's appeal of '85 conviction, Capt Belz told a PI investigating the case he had suspected Steven was innocent but couldn't do anything about it because Kocourek wouldn't allow him to talk about the case.)
During Bushman's Nov 7 Stump Distraction on Kuss Rd. (approximately 11am-5pm), among others, T. Hermann, R. Hermann, Jost, and Jacobs of MTSO signed in and out on numerous occasions at Avery property as did Pagel.
Ryan Hillegas and Scott Bloedorn were on site (Avery) from 9:53am-4:28pm, and our good friend Wendy Cross-Burner was guarding a burn barrel.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4i7b6l/nov_7th_suspicious_incident_on_kuss_rd/
Plot and Plant (a timeline of 11/7)
By treefortress, MakingaMurderer
November 7th Timeline:
10:35 AM Dedering receives call from Weigart about suspicious area at the end of Kuss Rd.
10:45 AM Dedering arrives at Kuss Rd. and speaks with retired deputy Bushman, who was leading a search group in the area when they found the disturbed soil.
10:58 AM Colburn/Lenk/Tyson were called to Kuss Rd. (presumably by Dedering or Wiegart).
11:06 AM Colburn/Lenk/Tyson leave Avery property heading to Kuss Rd..
11:20 AM Fauske, K-9 and Reimer begin search. This eventually leads to a strong track to Kuss Rd from red house trailer (sometime between now and 5:29pm when she leaves)
12:46 PM Colburn/Lenk/Tyson return to Avery Property according to crime scene logs.
12:50 PM Dedering, Fassbender, and Bushman return to Avery’s from Kuss Rd. site. Bushman is a retired Manitowoc cop and civilian searching for Halbach, he found the Kuss Rd. excavation site and called it in. At this point, all the main LE suspects have arrived and are near one another.
PLAN IS MADE HERE.
THE CALL IS MADE TO GET ERTL AWAY FROM BARRELS AT CRIME LAB AND BACK TO AVERY’s (unknown who makes this call WEIGERT/DEDERING/KRATZ?).
MUTSZAK IS SENT TO CRIME LAB TO RETRIEVE TRAILER WITH BARREL #4 (Where they will plant the bones). HE WILL PICK UP CELL PHONE BARREL AND DROP OFF BARREL #4 at AVERY's CELL PHONE PLANTED IN BARREL IN FRONT OF AVERY’s (12:50pm - 1:15pm)
?:??PM Ertl, Cates & Zhang are called back to Avery property from Crime Lab where they are processing the burn barrels. (by whom?)
1:10 PM Mutszak leaves Avery's to pick up trailer from Crime Lab.
1:15 PM Baldwin takes guard post by cell phone burn barrel.
1:51 PM Fauske, K-9 and Riemer return to Avery’s from searching.
1:37 PM Fauske, K-9 and Riemer leave Avery's on search.
2:40 PM Ertl, Cates & Zhang check in at Avery property
2:50 PM Colburn/Lenk/Tyson return to searching Janda residence for firearms. Tyson does not mention returning to Avery property at 12:46. (this could be a typo as it could have been 2:46).
2:51 PM Ertl, Cates & Zhang leave Avery Property
3:08 PM Colburn/Lenk/Tyson exit Janda residence concluding their search for firearms.
3:10 PM According to Tyson, they are called back to Kuss Rd. b/c WI State Crime Lab is there.
3:27 PM Lenk and Colburn leave Avery property according to the crime scene log. Tyson is not listed on the crime scene log as checking out…(however he checks back in with Lenk/Colburn.
3:30 PM (est. time) Colburn/Lenk/Tyson enter crime scene after checking in with Dedering. After photos are complete, they dig up the area and quickly find out it is not a possible grave or burial site. Report this to Dedering via telephone (4:51pm?). Crime scene tape removed and area reopened.
THIS IS WHERE IT GETS WEIRD and TRICKY.
3:25 PM Mutzsak checks into Avery property towing trailer with Janda barrel #4 on it (bones). This trailer came back from the crime lab. Colburn and Lenk helped load these barrels the day before 11/6. Mutzsak unloads Barrel #4 at Avery's and collects the Cell Phone barrel in front of SA's trailer.
3:39 PM Baldwin is relieved of her post at cell phone barrel after Matuszak collects it.
3:45 PM Matuszak reports taking control of the Cell Phone Barrel
3:51 PM Fauske, K9 and Riemer leave Avery property
4:20 PM Matuszak leaves the property with the trailer containing the cell phone barrel but not barrel #4.
4:28 PM Ryan Hillegas and Scott Bloedorn leave Avery property
DARKNESS FALLS
4:51 PM Dedering states that Kuss Rd. Scene is processed by WI State Crime lab. He is informed that this site “is not pertinent to this case presumably by TYSON/LENK/COLBURN.”
5:15 PM Tyson returns from Kuss Rd.
COLBURN AND LENK NEVER CHECK BACK IN (but they do end up checking out).
COLBURN LENK COULD ENTER FROM KUSS RD. VIA THE BACK ROUTE TO SA’s. (They know now because they witnessed the Fauske K-9 and Reimer do it.)
BONES PLANTED in BARREL #4
5:27 PM ERTL checks in (from crime lab? with bone?)
5:28 PM Fauske and K-9 Leave for the day.
5:58 PM Riemer and the last of the Fire Department search party leaves Avery’s
5:58 PM Tyson checks out
Colburn/Lenk under cover of darkness after the search party has just left and free of CASO handler Tyson. Only about 10 people on the Avery property.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4g5i5q/plot_and_plant_a_timeline_of_117/
"Suspicious incident." CASO report, page 133
By res_ispa_loquitur, MakingaMurderer
While searching BJ's residence, Tyson receives a call at 1058 about a suspicious incident. Tyson (836), Colborn (432), and Lenk (204?) are told they need to leave BJ's residence and respond to Kuss Rd. After clearing the "incident," they return to BJ's at 1450...almost 4 hours later. After clearing BJ's residence at 1508, they are told to go BACK to the suspicious scene on Kuss Road to meet with the crime lab personnel (even though they already cleared the suspicious incident) and they assisted the crime lab with digging up dirt in what they thought was a "possible grave or burial site." Was the suspicious incident the fact that they found disturbed soil and if they cleared the incident, why was the crime lab called to the site and why did they start digging? Or was the suspicious incident the fact that someone create a distraction, forcing Tyson, Colborn, and Lenk to leave the area near BJ's and SA's residences?
I did a quick comparison to the logs, and this happens to be the timeframe where ins and outs are the most screwy. And ironically, the same timeframe when Ryan and Scott are unaccounted for. This also happens to be the timeframe when Tyson, Colborn, and Lenk should be checking in and out at the same time, since Tyson claims they're serving warrants together and somehow arrive together. But they don't log in or out together. After 1246 hours, Tyson operates on a different schedule than Colborn and Lenk, and he appears to start running around with Riemer (somewhat illegible on log). And I'm having a hard time finding a check out for Tyson between 1246 and 1715 (5:15 on log). I see two check ins instead. Any thoughts?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4fg3gn/suspicious_incident_caso_report_page_133/
Nov 7th "Suspicious Incident on Kuss Rd" DISTRACTION was created by retired MTSO deputy [one of SA’s arresting officers in July 1985]
By MsMinxster, MakingaMurderer
Jul 29, 1985 at 11:15 PM: Sgt Petersen along with Officers Jim Froelich and Mike Bushman entered Steven's house without a warrant or permission to enter and arrested him for the sexual assault of PB (charge was later changed to attempted murder). Deputy Arland Avery accompanied them because he was worried about Lori and the kids.
Nov 7, 2005 at 10:35 AM: Retired Deputy Inspector Mike Bushman, of MTSO was leading a team of searchers in the area at the end of Kuss Road (approximately one half mile from the western edge of AVERY property) when he found a possible excavation site. (CASO p. 137) According to Tyson, it was 3X3 feet area of disturbed soil. (CASO p. 133)
Dedering is called to the scene, the area taped off and no one allowed in or out.
Tyson is called away from Barb’s to the suspicious scene on Kuss Rd., which he clears then returns to Barb’s.
Despite Tyson clearing the scene, Ertl of WI Crime Lab is called away from searching the Janda burn barrels at CASO to Kuss Rd. where he finds:
"…an area with disturbed soil. To me it didn't look like a grave site. It looked more like a rotten stump to me, where the wood had just turned into like humus. There were no plants growing up through it really. So it was a barren spot. So it kind of looked like it was disturbed." (Ertl’s testimony, p. 6)
Tyson is recalled to the rotten stump, which retired MTSO Deputy Investigator Bushman mistook for a “potential burial site.”
This continued until 5:45pm, at which time it was determined Bushman's stump was not pertinent to the case.
During the crucial 48 hours after the RAV4 is discovered, more than half a day is dedicated to Bushman’s rotten stump, taking key personnel away from the Avery property and burn barrel search.
THEN-
November 8, 2005
Cremains found in fire pit.
License plates found in car on path close to Steve's trailer.
Burn barrel discovered by Steve's trailer.
Key is found in Steve's trailer.
Bones, teeth found.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4i7b6l/nov_7th_suspicious_incident_on_kuss_rd/
November 7, 2005
When: 6:59 a.m. until 7:10 a.m.
Circumstances: Radandt's third consecutive day of visiting the secured crime scene. Schetter, third in command at the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department, was one of the highest-ranking officials at the scene when Radandt came by.
Minutes after the quarry operator left, a large contingent of Manitowoc sheriff's deputies arrived for their shift, including Lenk, Colborn, Detective Dennis Jacobs, Lt. Todd Hermann, and Schetter's predecessor, Mike Bushman, who had recently retired but remained as a part-time reserve deputy.
Zellner filing: Radandt "accessed the property from the quarry four times, for some unknown reason, after it had been closed to the public. (Radandt) accessed the property within minutes of Officers Colborn and Lenk on November 5 and twice on November 7 ... Mr. Avery is requesting DNA testing on the burnt material found at the Radandt deer hunting camp west of the Avery Salvage Yard to determine whether there are any items of evidentiary value at the deer camp."
When: 9:03 a.m. to 9:53 a.m.
Circumstances: Hillegas and Bloedorn, who came from 40 minutes away, spent nearly an hour at the secured scene.
That morning, Bushman agreed to lead a four-member evidence search party of fellow Manitowoc sheriff's deputies. Deputy Dave Siders later testified he came across Avery's burn barrel and removed a heavy metal tire rim from inside. Remnants of a Motorola emblem for a cellphone and debris from a camera were identified. Authorities insisted the charred debris was Halbach's camera and cellphone.
Zellner filing: "There are conflicting dates (Nov. 5 and Nov. 7) about law enforcement's discovery of the remnants of Ms. Halbach's Motorola Razr cell phone, Palm Pilot and camera in a burn barrel in Mr. Avery's yard. No mention was made at trial about the second Motorola cell phone taken from Ms. Halbach's home on November 3, 2005 ... Mr. Avery is requesting to examine items described as a Motorola Razr phone and box from the victim's dining room ... The inability of the State to produce the Motorola phone located in the victim's residence would demonstrate that it was the phone placed in the burn barrel by law enforcement."
Another Invitation
In the mid-90s (estimates it was 1995) Dave again experienced a brush with the “club”. He’d been invited to a local supper club (bar & restaurant) by friends. He suspected these friends were knowledgeable about the “club” and he’d recently been asking them about it. They’d consistently avoided answering.
On this night after the restaurant crowd had thinned the friends told Dave they had a surprise for him. They led him over to some people sitting at another area of the bar. As he approached a man introduced himself. It turned out he was the father of the kid who’d spread the rumors about Dave’s mom in high school. This guy said he wanted to invite Dave to join a special club. After realizing who the guy was Dave told him to get bent. He also confronted him about the rumors regarding his mom, and the harassment he and Mary Ann had been subjected to by this “club”. The man seemed stunned and Dave headed out of the place. His friends caught up with him at the door and told him “he had to go back”. They were adamant that Dave should make nice and that he couldn’t refuse this invitation. Dave asked them why he should. They said for jobs/work/money. He explained why he had no use for the guy handing out the invite and basically told them no thanks and he left.
County sales tax option draws opinions
TC News publisher
December 12, 2017
Kiel’s supervisor on the Manitowoc County Board, Jim Baumann (left) shares a point with Manitowoc County Board Chairman Jim Brey during the Monday town hall meeting on the potential half percent county sales tax.
Manitowoc County’s Finance Committee paid a visit to Kiel Monday evening for the purpose of hearing public input on a potential half percent county sales tax.
Although no official plan has yet been formalized to create such a sales tax or determine its distribution, the Manitowoc County Board of Supervisors committee has asked for the public to share their perspectives.
County Board Finance Committee Chairperson Biff Hansen chaired the meeting, saying, “We want to know if this is something the people want. And, if we ask for the half percent sales tax, what will we spend it on?”
The Latest On The Proposed Manitowoc County Sales Tax
Lakeshore News
May 19, 2018
The Manitowoc County Finance Committee continue to discuss the possible implementation of a half-percent sales tax. County Executive Bob Zigelbauer on where he feels the full 25-member county board is in the process.
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Zigelbauer admits the Finance Committee is warming up somewhat to the idea.
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The tax would raise $6 million annually for what committee members would like to see invested in infrastructure—especially roads. Manitowoc Mayor Justin Nickels and Two Rivers City Manager Greg Buckley have both lobbied Zigelbauer to endorse the tax saying there’s no extra money to fix what’s already broken and the costs are only going to increase with each passing year. However-cities and municipalities have no say on where the money would go—it can only be delegated by county government.
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Finance Committee chair Paul “Biff” Hansen told Seehafer News this week that they plan to reach out to Sheboygan County who recently enacted the tax to see how their handling it.
Manitowoc County is one of only six in the state without the tax.
WHO IS MIKE BUSHMAN?
Loof wasn't the first canine that tracked to Kuss Road. It would have been Mike Bushman's canine. It would explain why he was there, leading a search team, and how he discovered the disturbed area of soil in the wooded area off of Kuss Road on November 7, 2005.
Bushman was the first "canine handler" for MTSO starting in 1983.
Bushman was one of two officers who accompanied Ken Petersen to arrest Steven Avery in 1985 for a crime for which he was later exonerated and for which Avery was suing the county.
At the time of Teresa Halbach's disappearance, Bushman was retired from the K-9 Unit and worked part-time as a reserve deputy for Manitowoc County.
Nov 7th "Suspicious Incident on Kuss Rd" DISTRACTION was created by retired MTSO deputy [one of SA’s arresting officers in July 1985]
By MsMinxster, MakingaMurderer
By my count, here are the strange, coincidental connections in this investigation (that reek of conflict of interest):
Retired Dep. Bushman (led the MTSO team who found cell phone barrel on November 7 also responsible for the distraction on Kuss Rd later that day)— SA’s arresting officer in 85, investigated a sexual assault committed by Gregory Allen two weeks prior to PB assault
Nurse Fay (SA's overly enthusiastic DNA swabber on Nov 9)--Undersheriff Hermann’s next-door neighbor, Kocourek's neighbor
Remiker (found magic bullet)—Kocourek’s cousin
Sgt. Jost (part of Bushman's MTSO team who found cell phone barrel on Nov 7, 1st bone siting on Nov 8)—cousin of MH’s fiancé, cousin to Radandts
Lenk/Colborn (planted discovered Toyota key on Nov 8)—deposed in SA's civil suit for their involvement in '99 phone call regarding Gregory Allen
Pam Sturm (led by God to RAV4 on Nov 5)—cousin to Sheriff Pagel
Perhaps the reason LE was so quick to brush aside or misdirect any scrutiny on the quarry—Josh Radandt’s brother and co-owner of the quarry is married to the only granddaughter of 27-year veteran of MTSO and former Captain of Detectives, Don Belz. (During SA's appeal of '85 conviction, Capt Belz told a PI investigating the case he had suspected Steven was innocent but couldn't do anything about it because Kocourek wouldn't allow him to talk about the case.)
During Bushman's Nov 7 Stump Distraction on Kuss Rd. (approximately 11am-5pm), among others, T. Hermann, R. Hermann, Jost, and Jacobs of MTSO signed in and out on numerous occasions at Avery property as did Pagel.
Ryan Hillegas and Scott Bloedorn were on site (Avery) from 9:53am-4:28pm, and our good friend Wendy Cross-Burner was guarding a burn barrel.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4i7b6l/nov_7th_suspicious_incident_on_kuss_rd/
Plot and Plant (a timeline of 11/7)
By treefortress, MakingaMurderer
November 7th Timeline:
10:35 AM Dedering receives call from Weigart about suspicious area at the end of Kuss Rd.
10:45 AM Dedering arrives at Kuss Rd. and speaks with retired deputy Bushman, who was leading a search group in the area when they found the disturbed soil.
10:58 AM Colburn/Lenk/Tyson were called to Kuss Rd. (presumably by Dedering or Wiegart).
11:06 AM Colburn/Lenk/Tyson leave Avery property heading to Kuss Rd..
11:20 AM Fauske, K-9 and Reimer begin search. This eventually leads to a strong track to Kuss Rd from red house trailer (sometime between now and 5:29pm when she leaves)
12:46 PM Colburn/Lenk/Tyson return to Avery Property according to crime scene logs.
12:50 PM Dedering, Fassbender, and Bushman return to Avery’s from Kuss Rd. site. Bushman is a retired Manitowoc cop and civilian searching for Halbach, he found the Kuss Rd. excavation site and called it in. At this point, all the main LE suspects have arrived and are near one another.
PLAN IS MADE HERE.
THE CALL IS MADE TO GET ERTL AWAY FROM BARRELS AT CRIME LAB AND BACK TO AVERY’s (unknown who makes this call WEIGERT/DEDERING/KRATZ?).
MUTSZAK IS SENT TO CRIME LAB TO RETRIEVE TRAILER WITH BARREL #4 (Where they will plant the bones). HE WILL PICK UP CELL PHONE BARREL AND DROP OFF BARREL #4 at AVERY's CELL PHONE PLANTED IN BARREL IN FRONT OF AVERY’s (12:50pm - 1:15pm)
?:??PM Ertl, Cates & Zhang are called back to Avery property from Crime Lab where they are processing the burn barrels. (by whom?)
1:10 PM Mutszak leaves Avery's to pick up trailer from Crime Lab.
1:15 PM Baldwin takes guard post by cell phone burn barrel.
1:51 PM Fauske, K-9 and Riemer return to Avery’s from searching.
1:37 PM Fauske, K-9 and Riemer leave Avery's on search.
2:40 PM Ertl, Cates & Zhang check in at Avery property
2:50 PM Colburn/Lenk/Tyson return to searching Janda residence for firearms. Tyson does not mention returning to Avery property at 12:46. (this could be a typo as it could have been 2:46).
2:51 PM Ertl, Cates & Zhang leave Avery Property
3:08 PM Colburn/Lenk/Tyson exit Janda residence concluding their search for firearms.
3:10 PM According to Tyson, they are called back to Kuss Rd. b/c WI State Crime Lab is there.
3:27 PM Lenk and Colburn leave Avery property according to the crime scene log. Tyson is not listed on the crime scene log as checking out…(however he checks back in with Lenk/Colburn.
3:30 PM (est. time) Colburn/Lenk/Tyson enter crime scene after checking in with Dedering. After photos are complete, they dig up the area and quickly find out it is not a possible grave or burial site. Report this to Dedering via telephone (4:51pm?). Crime scene tape removed and area reopened.
THIS IS WHERE IT GETS WEIRD and TRICKY.
3:25 PM Mutzsak checks into Avery property towing trailer with Janda barrel #4 on it (bones). This trailer came back from the crime lab. Colburn and Lenk helped load these barrels the day before 11/6. Mutzsak unloads Barrel #4 at Avery's and collects the Cell Phone barrel in front of SA's trailer.
3:39 PM Baldwin is relieved of her post at cell phone barrel after Matuszak collects it.
3:45 PM Matuszak reports taking control of the Cell Phone Barrel
3:51 PM Fauske, K9 and Riemer leave Avery property
4:20 PM Matuszak leaves the property with the trailer containing the cell phone barrel but not barrel #4.
4:28 PM Ryan Hillegas and Scott Bloedorn leave Avery property
DARKNESS FALLS
4:51 PM Dedering states that Kuss Rd. Scene is processed by WI State Crime lab. He is informed that this site “is not pertinent to this case presumably by TYSON/LENK/COLBURN.”
5:15 PM Tyson returns from Kuss Rd.
COLBURN AND LENK NEVER CHECK BACK IN (but they do end up checking out).
COLBURN LENK COULD ENTER FROM KUSS RD. VIA THE BACK ROUTE TO SA’s. (They know now because they witnessed the Fauske K-9 and Reimer do it.)
BONES PLANTED in BARREL #4
5:27 PM ERTL checks in (from crime lab? with bone?)
5:28 PM Fauske and K-9 Leave for the day.
5:58 PM Riemer and the last of the Fire Department search party leaves Avery’s
5:58 PM Tyson checks out
Colburn/Lenk under cover of darkness after the search party has just left and free of CASO handler Tyson. Only about 10 people on the Avery property.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4g5i5q/plot_and_plant_a_timeline_of_117/
"Suspicious incident." CASO report, page 133
By res_ispa_loquitur, MakingaMurderer
While searching BJ's residence, Tyson receives a call at 1058 about a suspicious incident. Tyson (836), Colborn (432), and Lenk (204?) are told they need to leave BJ's residence and respond to Kuss Rd. After clearing the "incident," they return to BJ's at 1450...almost 4 hours later. After clearing BJ's residence at 1508, they are told to go BACK to the suspicious scene on Kuss Road to meet with the crime lab personnel (even though they already cleared the suspicious incident) and they assisted the crime lab with digging up dirt in what they thought was a "possible grave or burial site." Was the suspicious incident the fact that they found disturbed soil and if they cleared the incident, why was the crime lab called to the site and why did they start digging? Or was the suspicious incident the fact that someone create a distraction, forcing Tyson, Colborn, and Lenk to leave the area near BJ's and SA's residences?
I did a quick comparison to the logs, and this happens to be the timeframe where ins and outs are the most screwy. And ironically, the same timeframe when Ryan and Scott are unaccounted for. This also happens to be the timeframe when Tyson, Colborn, and Lenk should be checking in and out at the same time, since Tyson claims they're serving warrants together and somehow arrive together. But they don't log in or out together. After 1246 hours, Tyson operates on a different schedule than Colborn and Lenk, and he appears to start running around with Riemer (somewhat illegible on log). And I'm having a hard time finding a check out for Tyson between 1246 and 1715 (5:15 on log). I see two check ins instead. Any thoughts?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4fg3gn/suspicious_incident_caso_report_page_133/
Nov 7th "Suspicious Incident on Kuss Rd" DISTRACTION was created by retired MTSO deputy [one of SA’s arresting officers in July 1985]
By MsMinxster, MakingaMurderer
Jul 29, 1985 at 11:15 PM: Sgt Petersen along with Officers Jim Froelich and Mike Bushman entered Steven's house without a warrant or permission to enter and arrested him for the sexual assault of PB (charge was later changed to attempted murder). Deputy Arland Avery accompanied them because he was worried about Lori and the kids.
Nov 7, 2005 at 10:35 AM: Retired Deputy Inspector Mike Bushman, of MTSO was leading a team of searchers in the area at the end of Kuss Road (approximately one half mile from the western edge of AVERY property) when he found a possible excavation site. (CASO p. 137) According to Tyson, it was 3X3 feet area of disturbed soil. (CASO p. 133)
Dedering is called to the scene, the area taped off and no one allowed in or out.
Tyson is called away from Barb’s to the suspicious scene on Kuss Rd., which he clears then returns to Barb’s.
Despite Tyson clearing the scene, Ertl of WI Crime Lab is called away from searching the Janda burn barrels at CASO to Kuss Rd. where he finds:
"…an area with disturbed soil. To me it didn't look like a grave site. It looked more like a rotten stump to me, where the wood had just turned into like humus. There were no plants growing up through it really. So it was a barren spot. So it kind of looked like it was disturbed." (Ertl’s testimony, p. 6)
Tyson is recalled to the rotten stump, which retired MTSO Deputy Investigator Bushman mistook for a “potential burial site.”
This continued until 5:45pm, at which time it was determined Bushman's stump was not pertinent to the case.
During the crucial 48 hours after the RAV4 is discovered, more than half a day is dedicated to Bushman’s rotten stump, taking key personnel away from the Avery property and burn barrel search.
THEN-
November 8, 2005
Cremains found in fire pit.
License plates found in car on path close to Steve's trailer.
Burn barrel discovered by Steve's trailer.
Key is found in Steve's trailer.
Bones, teeth found.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4i7b6l/nov_7th_suspicious_incident_on_kuss_rd/
November 7, 2005
When: 6:59 a.m. until 7:10 a.m.
Circumstances: Radandt's third consecutive day of visiting the secured crime scene. Schetter, third in command at the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department, was one of the highest-ranking officials at the scene when Radandt came by.
Minutes after the quarry operator left, a large contingent of Manitowoc sheriff's deputies arrived for their shift, including Lenk, Colborn, Detective Dennis Jacobs, Lt. Todd Hermann, and Schetter's predecessor, Mike Bushman, who had recently retired but remained as a part-time reserve deputy.
Zellner filing: Radandt "accessed the property from the quarry four times, for some unknown reason, after it had been closed to the public. (Radandt) accessed the property within minutes of Officers Colborn and Lenk on November 5 and twice on November 7 ... Mr. Avery is requesting DNA testing on the burnt material found at the Radandt deer hunting camp west of the Avery Salvage Yard to determine whether there are any items of evidentiary value at the deer camp."
When: 9:03 a.m. to 9:53 a.m.
Circumstances: Hillegas and Bloedorn, who came from 40 minutes away, spent nearly an hour at the secured scene.
That morning, Bushman agreed to lead a four-member evidence search party of fellow Manitowoc sheriff's deputies. Deputy Dave Siders later testified he came across Avery's burn barrel and removed a heavy metal tire rim from inside. Remnants of a Motorola emblem for a cellphone and debris from a camera were identified. Authorities insisted the charred debris was Halbach's camera and cellphone.
Zellner filing: "There are conflicting dates (Nov. 5 and Nov. 7) about law enforcement's discovery of the remnants of Ms. Halbach's Motorola Razr cell phone, Palm Pilot and camera in a burn barrel in Mr. Avery's yard. No mention was made at trial about the second Motorola cell phone taken from Ms. Halbach's home on November 3, 2005 ... Mr. Avery is requesting to examine items described as a Motorola Razr phone and box from the victim's dining room ... The inability of the State to produce the Motorola phone located in the victim's residence would demonstrate that it was the phone placed in the burn barrel by law enforcement."
By MsMinxster, TickTockManitowoc
Why was retired MTSO Deputy Bushman (who was also one of SA’s arresting officers in the 1985 case) leading a search team of LEO (and not a group of volunteers as stated in CASO report later that day)? And why didn’t MTSO Deputy Siders mention that Bushman was retired in his testimony or in his report?
MTSO Deputy Siders’s testimony Day 6, p.149:
A. Myself, along with Sergeant Scott Senglaub, Deputy Mike Bushman and Sergeant Jason Jost responded to 12930 Avery Road, would be the Avery Salvage Yard, to assist Calumet County Sheriff's Department searching the property.
Q. What were your responsibilities upon arrival at that scene?
A. We were to make contact with the officer in charge at the scene to get the daily duties.
Q. Okay. Were you given a specific job that day?
A. We were informed by the OIC [Officer in charge] to get in search groups. The search group I was in was search group A. Our team leader of that search group was Deputy Mike Bushman of the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department.
SIDERS Report (MTSO Summary Report p. 13) 11/07/05@0800 hrs:
I Deputy Siders, along with Sgt. Senglaub, Sgt. Jost, and Deputy M. Bushman responded to AVERY AUTO SALVAGE to assist the CASO with searching the property and the surrounding area…The group which I was put in was "Group A," and the team leader was Deputy M. Bushman. Also in the group were officers from the CASO and volunteer fire fighters from surrounding FDs. [Which CASO officers?]
While searching the land north of STEVEN AVERY'S residence, a corn field, I came across a burning barrel which was in my section of area to search. The burning barrel was located out front of STEVEN'S residence next to the cornfield. [Contrary to Siders’s repeated mentions of the “cornfield”, this burn barrel is directly in front of SA’s 's trailer so it’s a wonder it wasn’t “discovered” on sooner, say on the 5th or 6th.]
I approached the burning barrel and looked inside…I observed some burnt, melted plastic items. As I looked closer at the plastic item, it appeared to me to be a cell phone. I…noted there was an "M" emblem on the front of it. It appeared to be the emblem for a Motorola 5 brand cell phone...I showed Sgt. Senglaub these items, he called the team leader, Deputy M. Bushman, over to look at the items. Deputy Bushman observed the remains of what appeared to be a cell phone…contacted the OIC and informed him we had some items that needed to be looked at by Dets. We were informed that the DCI would be en route to our location to check out the items. [Based on DCI Heimerl’s testimony it was he and Sielehr]
The DCI did arrive at our location. [Heimerl and Sielehr signed in at Avery property at 8am out at 8:26am then returned at 9:40am, out ??, in at 10:08am, out ??, in at 12:02pm, out at 1:42pm so this must have been in the 10am time frame.]
They also believed that this was a cell phone. As they looked through the burning, the DCI informed me that they believed there were parts to a camera in there. The DCI informed Sgt. Senglaub and me (Deputy Siders) that they would take custody of the burning barrel. After the DCl took custody of the burning barrel, Sgt. Senglaub and I continued our search of the property. [Siders and Senglaub signed out at 12:30pm]
What happened to team leader Deputy Bushman? [This was Bushman’s day: signed in at 7:38am with Todd Hermann, out at ??, in at 12:50pm, out at ??, in at 4:15pm, out at 4:45pm, in at ??, out at 5:33pm]
According to DEDERING Report (CASO p.137) by 10:35am retired MTSO Deputy Inspector MICHAEL BUSHMAN had discovered at possible burial site at Kuss Rd, which tied up he, other CASO officers and other DCI most of the afternoon.
Who were the CASO officers with these of MTSO deputies during the cell phone barrel discovery? There were 24 CASO officers signed in during the time frame the barrel was found. [Also on the property--Ryan Hillegas and Scott Bloedorn in at 9:03am, out at 9:53am.]
Not only does Siders fail to mention which CASO officers were on his team, not one CASO officer writes a report on the cell phone barrel discovery. The first mention of it is in BALDWIN's Report (CASO p. 135):
At approximately 1:15pm, I was requested to standby the garbage bum barrel at STEVEN AVERY's house until evidence technicians arrived on scene I did standby with this until approximately 3:39pm, when the barrel was recovered by CALUMET CO. SHERIFF'S DEPT. Deputy KEN MATUSZAK.
November 7th was Bushman's only day on Avery property during the 9-day search, but it sure was a productive one!
Why the hell is a retired deputy the team leader for LEO. In the CASO report, Dedering, and I believe Tyson too, refer to him as retired, but leading a group of volunteers?
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/4ktalm/retired_dep_bushman_was_group_leader_of_the_mtso/
Kuss Rd and the 2017 Investigation
By Jaiddie, MakingaMurderer
I'm curious about the fact that Dedering questioned Bobby Dassey about Kuss Rd in his 2017 interview, tbh. If Kuss Rd was just a peat moss mistake (as LE would have everyone believe, yet it took them MANY officers and hours to investigate for some reason), then why does it have any importance to be questioning witnesses about so many years later? I can't think of any reasonable reason why LE are NOW asking questions about that area if nothing was found there as they said and they didn't even find it important enough to question witnesses about back THEN, when the original investigation was taking place?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/99s3o0/kuss_rd_and_the_2017_investigation/
HIT-AND-RUN DEATH OF 17-YEAR-OLD BOY REMAINS AN UNSOLVED MYSTERY
By John Ferak, USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin
September 16, 2016
"What it's going to take to solve the thing would just be luck at this point."
MANITOWOC - The Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department, which has been accused of framing Steven Avery for a 1985 rape and planting numerous clues to convict Avery for the 2005 murder of Teresa Halbach, has also been dogged by allegations it mishandled the 1999 hit-and-run death of a 17-year-old boy, USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin has learned.
The homicide of Ricky Hochstetler, who was struck by a vehicle while walking to his home along a frontage road, remains unsolved. The crime occurred at about 2:20 a.m. on Jan. 10, 1999 during a snowstorm.
Weeks after the boy's death, a number of sheriff's department employees began to suspect that an off-duty deputy — after a night of drinking — struck and killed the rural Manitowoc teenager.
Even the traffic patrol lieutenant who was in charge of the investigation was aware of the allegations, indicate reports reviewed by USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin. However, both Lt. Mike Bushman and then-Sheriff Tom Kocourek's administration declined to probe the activities of the two deputies who were being mentioned as possible suspects — Lt. Rob Hermann and his brother, Sgt. Todd Hermann.
Rob Hermann is now the sheriff of Manitowoc County.
Hermann denies wrongdoing
It was only through the persistence of Debi Hochstetler, Ricky's mother, that the Wisconsin Department of Justice's Division of Criminal Investigation agreed to independently review the case. By then, the crime had already gone unsolved for five years. The Division of Criminal Investigation would twice launch a criminal investigation of Rob Hermann, first in 2004, and again in 2009. At the time he was questioned in 2004, Rob Hermann was the under-sheriff/inspector for Sheriff Ken Petersen.
"Inspector Hermann stated that this was not the first time he had heard about the rumors of his alleged involvement in the accident," Division of Criminal Investigation reports revealed. "Inspector Hermann stated that he was not involved in the accident, nor did he have any knowledge about who might be responsible."
Hermann, 52, is now in his 10th year as sheriff. He acknowledged that the Division of Criminal Investigation interviewed him several years ago, but maintained he had nothing to do with the crime.
"There were rumors that were false," Hermann told USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin recently. "It was really nothing. ... I don't really know where it came from."
According to Hermann, it "makes no sense" to suggest that he may have been involved in the hit-and-run fatality because "I'm the one who responded to the accident."
The veteran sheriff also dismissed allegations that his younger brother, Todd, may have been involved in the crime.
“We're not even looking at that. Those were rumors posted on a website.”
ROB HERMANN
When reached on his work cellphone by USA TODAY NETWORK, Todd Hermann declined to comment. The 49-year-old Cleveland, Wis., resident directed all questions about the case to Rob Hermann. After his brother was elected sheriff, Todd Hermann was promoted to the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department's deputy inspector of operations, the third-highest position in the department.
Rob Hermann said there was no sheriff's department cover-up surrounding Hochstetler's death.
"There is no evidence to even indicate that," he said. "We're not even looking at that. Those were rumors posted on a website."
A tragic death
On Jan. 9, 1999, the parking lot at the Club Bil-Mar banquet hall was full. Copps Grocery Store and Manitowoc Ice were holding holiday parties for their employees and special guests at the well-known supper club along Manitowoc County CR, on the southern edge of Manitowoc.
By 2 a.m., Hochstetler was walking home after watching movies and eating pizza with friends. A fierce snowstorm was underway.
While making his normal rounds during his overnight patrols, Bushman saw Hochstetler's fresh footprints in the snow along the shoulder of the rural county highway. According to Division of Criminal Investigation reports, Bushman later told special agents that "he was going to check on the condition of the person to make sure they were OK considering the snowstorm. Deputy Inspector Bushman decided to get gas first before following the footprints in the snow ..."
About 2:20 a.m., just down the darkened road from the Bil-Mar, a vehicle barreled into the 6-foot-2, 218-pound former high school football player. The driver fled the scene, heading south of Manitowoc.
At about 2:25 a.m., a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel delivery driver came upon the body, and she called 911.
Bushman, the night-shift patrol commander, heard about the hit-and-run pedestrian collision on his squad car radio while at the gas pumps about a mile away. He arrived on the scene at 2:28 a.m. Hochstetler's body was in the middle of the road.
Bushman decided to preserve the death scene rather than chase after the fleeing driver, the Division of Criminal Investigation report stated.
At about 4 a.m., Bushman and Deb Kakatsch, the Manitowoc County coroner, walked 50 yards down the road. They knocked at the door of a small white farmhouse, waking Debi Hochstetler, a mother of three in the midst of a divorce.
A sea of bright flashing lights greeted her. The idling vehicles were operated by Newton's volunteer fire and rescue squad. The others were from the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department and Manitowoc City Police Department.
Her oldest child and only son, age 17, had suffered a skull fracture, brain trauma, spinal cord injuries, neck fractures, broken bones in his back, and internal and leg injuries.
Debi Hochstetler was devastated.
This circle shows the hit and run driver's path of travel after striking Ricky Hochstetler south of Manitowoc. Around Newton, the culprit likely turned west.
"He loved his rap, his Green Bay Packers and he loved his football trading cards," she said. "He was a very comical guy once you got to know him."
It became apparent that the fleeing motorist knew the back roads of Manitowoc County. Three miles south of the deadly crash site was Interstate 43, but rather than taking 43 toward Green Bay or Sheboygan, the driver remained on the country roads.
The damaged vehicle passed a swath of farmland and encountered no traffic during the driver's getaway.
A source of suspicion
The Bil-Mar social hall was an obvious place to start the homicide investigation, but little, if any, progress was made by Manitowoc sheriff's deputies.
On Sunday, Jan. 10, 1999, a pair of deputies interviewed two of the Saturday night bartenders. Summaries of the interviews contained in the sheriff department's case file were only a couple lines each — even though one bartender, Alvin Mrozinski of rural Cato, said he drove past the victim minutes before the teen was struck and killed.
The other bartender's name wasn't mentioned in the deputy's report because "he could offer no information."
Two days later, Ken Petersen, undersheriff at the time, assured the Manitowoc Herald Times Reporter that the hit-and-run driver had not been drinking at the popular club. "I don't know if the person could have gotten up to a speed that would have caused that kind of injury to the victim or damage to the vehicle," Petersen told the newspaper.
In January 1999, Manitowoc County Under-Sheriff Ken Petersen assured the press that teenage pedestrian Ricky Hochstetler could not have been killed while walking home on County CR by a vehicle leaving the Club Bil-Mar, a popular banquet hall.
The front entrance to the Bil-Mar was close to a quarter-mile from the Hochstetler tragedy.
Although the high-profile crime became the talk of the town, Kocourek decided not to seek help from the Wisconsin State Patrol's technical crash-scene reconstruction experts. And the Division of Criminal Investigation wasn't asked to help, either.
Kocourek did not return a phone call seeking comment for this story.
Before the autopsy — and prior to any daylight searches in ditches and along adjacent roads for more broken vehicle parts — Rob Hermann, Manitowoc County's juvenile jail administrator at the time, set a course that would later prove unsuccessful in finding the person who killed Hochstetler.
"I determined the vehicle would have to have a gray painted grill, being a model year from 1985-1988," Hermann stated in his reports. "This vehicle ... would include Chevrolet pick-up, Chevrolet K5 Blazer and Chevrolet Suburban."
Weeks later, after conferring with Hermann, Bushman also alerted the media that the broken grill fragments may also be from a 1988 to 1991 full-size van.
But over the past 17 years, no van, truck, Suburban or Blazer was ever located.
Whispers of a cover-up
As the hit-and-run investigation floundered in 1999, Bushman continued to hear whispers suggesting Hochstetler's death was part of a sheriff's department cover-up.
Bushman's investigative reports show he raised the issue of a cover-up during a face-to-face interview with Rick Wetenkamp, a rural Newton resident, who had been the hit-and-run victim's stepfather. By that point, the homicide had been unsolved for 11 months.
"I decided to question him about a statement he made ... reference the opinion that the police may have been involved in the accident and are attempting to cover it up," Bushman wrote in his report. "I wished to catch what type of reaction this would bring."
It was evident from Bushman's report that he did not want the victim's stepfather believing that police corruption might be the root cause for the lack of an arrest.
“What it's going to take to solve the thing would just be luck at this point.”
KENNETH PETERSEN
"I stated to (him) that there are over 300 complaints that I worked on and many turned out to be just rumors like the one for example that the police were somehow involved in the incident and were intentionally covering it up," Bushman stated.
According to Bushman's report, the victim's stepfather looked away and muttered, "Yes, I heard that rumor myself."
Bushman sensed his interview technique was working, according to his report. He had put the victim's stepfather on the defensive by bringing up the notion of a police cover-up. "The desired response was received and the redness (in his face) indicating he was embarrassed at that point indicating he, himself, had been the source of that type of rumor," Bushman wrote.
Key personnel moves
Months later, in 2000, there was a changing of the guard. Kocourek retired and Petersen took over as sheriff.
Petersen elevated Rob Hermann to under-sheriff/inspector.
Bushman was promoted to third in command, supervising the road patrol division and the detectives bureau. That bureau included James Lenk, the same detective who was later accused of planting Avery's blood and a spare key during the 2005 Halbach murder case.
Under Lenk's leadership, little progress was made in bringing Hochstetler's killer to justice, and Petersen's administration wasn't optimistic about an arrest.
"What it's going to take to solve the thing would just be luck at this point," Petersen told The Associated Press in January 2002. "I doubt if that truck exists anymore, especially in any kind of evidentiary form."
But not everyone at the sheriff's department shared Petersen's pessimism about solving the high-profile homicide. A former sheriff's employee confirmed resigning from the department, disgusted by what the employee felt was a shoddy investigation.
Sources with ties to the Hochstetler investigation told USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin that it was evident Bushman and Rob Hermann had compromised critical evidence recovered at the scene of the crime, jeopardizing the prospects of a criminal prosecution.
USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin learned that under Bushman's direction, broken vehicle parts deposited at the scene along County Highway CR were not properly tagged, logged, photographed with a ruler, videotaped or placed into secured evidence by a trained evidence technician. At the sheriff's department, Bushman kept debris from the vehicular homicide inside an unsecured cabinet that other employees could access.
In addition, Bushman and Rob Hermann violated fundamental chain of custody standards for handling crime scene evidence, sources said.
At the scene, Bushman allowed Hermann to transport several small pieces of the broken grill in one of Hermann's personal vehicles. Hermann had permission to drive around with the evidence for several hours with no supervision. Hermann wrote in his report that he canvassed several auto dealerships and local businesses with the broken grill pieces in his possession.
In January of 2016, Debi Hochstetler met with Manitowoc County Sheriff's officers Lt. Andrew Colborn and Deputy Inspector Larry Ledvina.
Critical trace evidence — perhaps paint chips or clothing fibers — were likely lost or compromised by their careless handling, police officials and national forensics experts told USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin.
Their conduct, said one police official, would warrant an unpaid suspension and possibly dismissal from a reputable law enforcement agency that held professional standards.
"You can get fired for that stuff. That piece of evidence might not as well exist," said Brent Turvey, forensic scientist from Forensic Solutions in Alaska. "You have made that evidence have less value or no value at all."
The irregular evidence collection at the Hochstetler death scene also raises questions about whether pieces were tampered with or possibly swapped, Turvey said.
"Legitimate law enforcement agencies develop these protocols for a reason," Turvey told USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin. "It's all reputation and if (Manitowoc County) had a good reputation, you don't have to defend it. Because of their bad reputation and continually bad decisions, it's a lifestyle. It's not a mistake. It's who they are."
“…You don't take parts from a crime scene home with you because you don't know who's going to potentially become a suspect.”
BRENT TURVEY
Bushman, who retired in 2005, told USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin during a recent interview that it was his understanding that Rob Hermann drove the vehicle parts from the hit-and-run crash back to his family's "boneyard" in nearby Cleveland.
Hermann had also worked as an auto body repair technician and mechanic at Cleveland Auto Sales & Salvage.
Given the fact that Hermann had access to his family's salvage yard business, Turvey said, "I think that makes it even worse. You don't take parts from a crime scene home with you because you don't know who's going to potentially become a suspect."
Bushman said he never investigated Rob Hermann and Todd Hermann as potential suspects. He said he was convinced the brothers did not own the type of truck, van, Blazer or Suburban being sought in the boy's death.
Bushman insisted that neither he nor Rob Hermann mishandled the crime-scene evidence. He also dismissed allegations of a police cover-up. He suggested that a news story examining problems with evidence or flaws in the case would do nothing to help solve Hochstetler's homicide.
"I did the best I could under the circumstances," Bushman said, his voice rising during the phone interview. "I did the best I could on this complaint. You say cover up? Find a witness for me. You can grab any police report and tear it to pieces."
Looking back, Rob Hermann said he had no criticisms of Bushman's performance on the Hochstetler case.
"I think he did well. He was always a go-getter," the sheriff said.
State probe focuses on investigation's flaws
This past April, for the first time, Debi Hochstetler filed a request seeking access to any reports the Division of Criminal Investigation did on her son's case. In July, she received a stack of 40 investigative documents in the mail. Reports show that Special Agent Eric Szatkowski considered it his primary duty during his initial probe to "make suggestions as to additional leads and or resources that could be utilized to help resolve this incident."
To a lesser extent, back in 2004, Szatkowski explored the credibility of allegations that an off-duty sheriff's deputy might be the culprit. The victim's mother had suggested that Bushman "might fear some type of reprisal or professional retaliation from (Rob Hermann) if the matter was taken seriously," Szatkowski stated.
For the past 17 years, Debi Hochstetler has dealt with nagging suspicions that an off-duty Manitowoc County Sheriff's deputy struck and killed her teenage son as he walked home on Jan. 10, 1999.
On Aug. 11, 2004, Szatkowski interviewed Hermann at the undersheriff's office. "Szatkowski informed Inspector Hermann that his name had been associated with rumors in the Manitowoc area that he might be involved in the hit-and-run death of Richard Hochstetler," Division of Criminal Investigation reports show.
Hermann told the Division of Criminal Investigation agent he was home sleeping when he was awakened "somewhere around 3 a.m." by a phone call from work.
"Inspector Hermann said he was called into work on the case, possibly by Deputy Michael Bushman because Inspector Hermann was experienced in accident reconstruction," Division of Criminal Investigation reports show.
According to the Division of Criminal Investigation, Hermann said he drove his 1998 Chevrolet truck to the scene after having stayed home the entire night with his live-in girlfriend and their small child. "Inspector Hermann stated that he never owned a vehicle matching the description of the suspect vehicle, specifically a Chevrolet truck or van manufactured between 1985 and 1988," Szatkowski stated.
“I did the best I could on this complaint. You say cover up? Find a witness for me! You can grab any police report and tear it to pieces.”
A month later, the special agent from the Division of Criminal Investigation closed his probe, noting that "a DOT vehicle history check on all the Hermann brothers showed no vehicles matching the 1985-1988 make and model that struck Hochstetler. ..."
Five years later, in July 2009, the Division of Criminal Investigation reopened its investigation of Rob Hermann, the state agency's reports reflect. By then, Hermann was Manitowoc's sheriff.
"The caller wanted to remain anonymous and would provide no information on the source of the allegations other than the individuals who provided the information were high school friends of the suspect that did not want to get involved in the investigation and did not know the caller was providing information to authorities," the late Division of Criminal Investigation Craig Klyve wrote in his report.
According to Klyve's report, "the caller said that Robert Hermann had an early- to mid-1980s Chevy pickup truck that has not been seen since the time of the accident. The caller believes this vehicle was the one that struck and (killed) Ricky Hochstetler."
Three months later, the Division of Criminal Investigation traveled to Two Rivers to interview Laura (King) Lee, the former live-in girlfriend of Hermann, who was also the mother of his child. Lee worked as a school counselor and was a reserve part-time deputy with the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department.
Lee told the pair of Division of Criminal Investigation investigators, Szatkowski and Michael Hoell, that she didn't remember whether Hermann was awakened around 3 a.m. by a phone call alerting him to respond to the Hochstetler fatality. At the time of Lee's interview, it was now more than a decade after the tragedy. Days later, in late October 2009, the Division of Criminal Investigation's probe came to a halt. Dennis Hebert, president of the Club Bil-Mar banquet hall, told Szatkowski that the club no longer had any records showing who the Bil-Mar's guests were on the night of the Hochstetler tragedy.
Lee, the former girlfriend, had suggested the Division of Criminal Investigation ask whether Rob Hermann was at the popular social hall on the night in question.
THE HOCHSTETLER INVESTIGATION: A 3-PART SERIES
On Jan. 10, 1999, high school student Ricky Hochstetler was killed along a dark county highway in rural Manitowoc while walking home from a friend's house. The hit-and-run driver was never caught. The investigation has been marred by long-standing suspicions of a Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department cover-up.
This year, Manitowoc County's most high-profile cold case has drawn renewed interest, particularly from "Making a Murderer" viewers; many of the same Manitowoc sheriff's officials who were involved in the 1985 and 2005 convictions of Steven Avery also had roles in the Hochstetler unsolved homicide.
During the past eight months, USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin has investigated the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department's handling of the hit-and-run homicide. We inspected close to 1,000 pages of reports generated by either Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department or the Wisconsin Division of Criminal Investigation. Current Manitowoc County Sheriff Rob Hermann was investigated by the Division of Criminal Investigation as a suspect while he served as an undersheriff/inspector, state reports show.
Part 1: Suspicions of a cover-up: Within weeks of Ricky Hochstetler's death, several employees at the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department start to suspect that an off-duty deputy may be the hit-and-run driver.
Part 2: Mistake-riddled homicide probe: Though broken parts from a newer style car were discovered in the thawing snow near the site of Ricky Hochstetler's hit-and-run fatality, ex-Sheriff Tom Kocourek's administration dismissed the evidence, insisting that an older model truck or van was involved.
Part 3: Mother wants to forgive her son's killer: After 17½ years of heartache, Debi Hochstetler longs for the truth regarding her son's hit-and-run homicide.
https://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/investigations/2016/09/12/manitowoc-sheriff-under-fire-1999-homicide/80862938/
[–]Alien_Evidence_Tech
Late in early January 1999, there was a rumoured MTSO function at the Bil-Mar. A banquet hall that handles weddings and parties, etc. Important to note, there was a main hall, and a bar area.
Late that night, 230AM a motorist reported a deceased boy (Ricky Hochstetler) on the road.
Hermann (who would later be Sheriff) was called to the scene as a 'auto-expert', he claimed later this case was 'career making' even though it was unsolved. The problem is he says he was called to the scene between 1:30-2:30, but the accident hadn't been reported until 2:30.
Was he called there earlier because an MTSO Sheriff (Kocourek) was the person driving? Some people have implied this in online posts.
Worth noting Bushman was in charge of the case and it went unsolved. Bushman also came out of retirement to help with the Avery case.
AND, someone local claimed that Kocourek's deceased sister had told him personally this was all true. This is an alleged claim mind you. But the person who reportedly made it, stated the cops told him there was no MTSO party at Bil-Mar that night, that it was a COPPS grocery store party instead. Many people from the area have been told the same thing. The problem is that it was apparently common knowledge MTSO was there that night.
And even if not, did they not check every single person that was there. It's the closest place for a drunk driver to have come from that night.
The poster who made these claims online, also stated that Kocourek's late sister told him that indeed it was Kocourek. And he had the body work done at this dealership by someone named Nick. Notice the name of the VP [Dale Kocourek] who's been second in charge in that company for 20 years: http://www.pietroske.com/Staff.
MsMinxster
@MsMinxster
Bushman=Kocourek's favorite little helper:
'85 PB case
'99 RH case
'05 TH case@johnferak @Jbuting #MakingAMurderer
John Ferak
@johnferak
Part 1: Manitowoc sheriff under fire in 1999 homicide http://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/investigations/2016/09/12/manitowoc-sheriff-under-fire-1999-homicide/80862938/
Sep 12, 2016
Key moments from Petersen's sworn testimony of Oct. 13, 2005:
On the night of July 29, 1985, Sheriff Tom Kocourek ordered Petersen, then a patrol sergeant, to arrest Avery for the brutal attack on Penny Beerntsen.
"As the shift commander, I would have enlisted the help of other patrol officers. I contacted James Froelich and Mike Bushman and then I make a call to Arland Avery to make sure Steve still lived where I thought he lived. And Arland had some concerns so he asked us if we'd meet at his house and talk to him. So we did, and Arland expressed concern that if Steve resisted ... somebody would get hurt and he asked if I would let him come along so that he could try and talk to Steve so that, you know, everything would go smoothly."
Petersen testified he decided there was no need to investigative his agency's role in botching the Avery rape case that put an innocent man in prison for 18 years.
"None of the people that were involved in the case in the investigative part were there."
On how often Petersen's former boss, Sheriff Tom Kocourek, put himself in charge of solving a crime besides the botched Avery rape case.
"There were just a few times, no more than three ... Normally, if I was to compare himself to myself, I wouldn't be involved."
On his meeting with two detectives the day after Avery's DNA exoneration and release from prison.
"I believe both Andy Colborn and James Lenk came to my office and the same time. (Colborn) said when he was working in the jail, he had received a phone call I believe from a detective in Brown County that he had a suspect who said that he had assaulted a person in Manitowoc County and somebody else was in prison. And that's about it. He said he referred it to a detective and heard nothing of it after that."
As the incoming sheriff, Petersen was alerted by Kocourek to a letter being kept in a small safe that helped validate Avery's wrongful rape conviction.
"There was a letter from some inmate from Brown County Correctional I believe that went in there. I don't know who, but he said that Steve (Avery) admitted to the crime, and I know the sheriff had left that when he left office. There's a small safe in his former office that would have had that."
MsMinxster
@MsMinxster
Who's Who in RickyH case? MTSO's Dirtiest:
Kocourek
Petersen
Hermanns
Bushman
Lenk
Colborn
Remiker
http://post.cr/2cTZWks #MakingAMurderer
5:39 PM - Sep 14, 2016
Mike Bushman played football with Calumet County Coroner Mike Klaeser.
[–]Nexious
Manitowoc County Coroner Debra Kakatsch's office (which also included a forensic anthropologist and forensic pathologist) had no connection at all to any of Avery's litigation from 1985 through present. Nobody in her department had to ever take depositions; none of them were listed to any capacity in his civil lawsuit--they were completely neutral parties.
The Manitowoc County Sheriff Department invested 744 hours on the Halbach case during the first month alone "to provide resources" to Calumet. This is equivalent to five full-time MTSO employees spending every working hour on the case (assuming at least 36+ hours per week, per person). MTPD/MTSO were logged entering/leaving the property hundreds of times in November.
Even random civilians and Halbach associates like Ryan Hillegas were allowed entrance to the crime scene after the fact. Yet the county coroner and her office were instructed not to investigate, against state statute.
Worse yet is that all of the investigators who were allowed on the scene, including those from MTSO, failed to take even a single photograph of the bones before tampering with them and removing them completely from the alleged scene. This is incompetence at its absolute worst.
Overview
On March 8, 2007, long-time Manitowoc County Coroner and former chief deputy Debra Kakatsch was called to the stand by Strang. After brief introductory remarks, the state objected to her testimony and a hearing commenced outside the presence of the jury.
The defense argued that her testimony was pertinent in showing that the recovery and assessment of the bones was flawed as she and her colleagues were prohibited from entering the scene. This was an unprecedented and highly unusual move and one that went against state statutes and the lawful duties of the coroner.
The prosecution contended that Manitowoc County Coroner Debra Kakatsch was barred from entering the crime scene at the Avery property due to the perceived "conflict of interest" of her being a Manitowoc official -- this despite the fact that she had no direct or indirect affiliation with any Avery litigation, unlike the majority of Manitowoc officials who continued working overtime on the case and entering his property repeatedly. They also cited inadequate foresight of her as a witness and lack of discovery as to why she shouldn't be allowed on the stand.
The judge sided with the prosecution, claiming that he didn't see any "probative value" in letting her testify and that it had "much more potential to mislead the jury." The judge further proclaimed that he couldn't see how, if she had investigated the crime scene, this would had made the investigation "any less biased" than without her services.
Below is a summary of these circumstances (taken chiefly from the Day 19 trial transcript):
Kakatsch's Credentials
Chief deputy from 1991-1992 and county coroner from 1993-2007.
Previous experience and licenses in nursing, chemotherapy, emergency room and intensive care.
Had specialized coroner-related training on anthropology, autopsies and DNA analysis.
Certified as a forensic nurse, with additional certifications in Homeland Security (American College of Forensic Examiners).
Member of the Wisconsin Coroners Medical Examiners Association, Forensic Nurses Association, Homicide Investigators Association (former).
Specializes in Wisconsin death investigations including homicides and found bodies.
Her specific daily duty is to determine the manner of death and issue death certificates.
The Teresa Halbach Case
Kakatsch learned of the suspected human bones from watching television.
This type of death, by state statute, should had triggered the coroner's involvement.
Her deputy coroners contacted her to ask about the case after seeing it on television.
She immediately contacted a fellow forensic anthropologist and forensic pathologist and advised them they've got work to do at the scene as part of a death investigation.
After 2-3 calls to Mark Wiegert November 9 wondering why she hadn't been called to the scene yet, he said he would have to check, then said her services weren't needed.
Days after the bone discovery/removal, Dan Fischer (County Executive of Manitowoc County) also told her not to push being involved as there was a conflict of interest.
Kakatsch disagreed with Fischer's stance; it was highly unusual to get a call from the County Executive at all.
Later she received another call from Steven Rollins (Manitowoc County Corporation Counsel) to likewise advise that she should not be involved because of this purported conflict of interest.
Kakatsch observed this strong resistance by various officials when attempting to investigate the bones and protested by explaining how she had no involvement what-so-ever in the civil lawsuit or other Avery litigation, nor did her office as a whole (no deposition, no interviews by either side, nothing).
Kakatsch was ultimately not allowed to enter the scene to assess the apparent human remains and manner of death.
Dr. Doug Kelly (forensic pathologist) and Patrick Schoebel (forensic anthropologist) also did not report to the scene.
Kakatsch, in an act of good faith, then contacted Mike Klaeser (Calumet County Medical Examiner) to have him fulfill the bare obligations of the coroner since she was told not to.
Mike Klaeser is the one who eventually signed the death certificate etc. Mike never testified in court about his involvement, but did appear on Nancy Grace's show post-MaM in protest of the series ("I think the right people are behind bars.")
Prosecution's Argument
They received no advanced knowledge of her testimony.
She said she wasn't aware that she would be called as a witness as of January 19, 2007.
They did not receive any discovery documents relating to her testimony.
Manitowoc counsel "wanted to remove all Manitowoc County officials" from the investigation to avoid any appearance of "conflict of interest." According to Gahn, this was "a prudent, wise move on their part" to prevent involvement of the Manitowoc coroner.
Gahn speculated that she was, perhaps, "some disgruntled Manitowoc County employee who didn't like that decision."
They don't see any relevance at all to her testimony in connection with the case.
The probative value of her testimony would be so low it'd be outweighed by prejudice it may cause and would be a waste of time to the jury.
Defense's Argument
Her name was always on their witness list, timely filed.
They never had any documents from Kakatsch to hand over, thus no discovery.
She is not an expert witness, but merely a fact-based witness.
The prosecution could had interviewed her just as the defense did.
Sure, it would had been prudent to remove all Manitowoc County officials from the investigation, but obviously that wasn't done at all with the Sheriff's Department.
Unlike the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department, Kakatsch nor anyone in the coroner's office had any prior involvement in the Avery civil case, nor had any responsibilities for the 1985 crime.
Her office alone, among the Manitowoc County law enforcement offices, was walled off entirely from performing legal and lawful duties in connection with the discovery of human remains.
Her testimony goes directly to the investigative bias of preferring involvement of certain Manitowoc officials and not other Manitowoc officials, even when they had state statutory duties to perform.
If there was any 904.03 concern, it'd be that of the prosecution turning to a Milwaukee County Medical Examiner a year after Halbach's death, who had no involvement at the scene, to determine manner of death and examine the bone fragments (rather than appointing the local official who's job it is to do just that at the time of the discovery).
The testimony goes directly to the issue of consistency and inconsistency that show a particular bias; the jury is entitled to see it and rule upon it themselves.
There's also probative value in showing that a forensic anthropologist could had been there at the scene and involved in the recovery, had the law officers followed the usual lawful routine of notifying the county coroner upon discovery of suspected human remains.
Judge's Ruling
This may have relevance in relation to a turf war, but no probative value in this case.
Presenting this testimony has much more potential to mislead the jury.
I don't see how anything the coroner would have done would have contributed to a less biased investigation in this matter.
I've already given the defense quite a bit of latitude by allowing reference to the civil lawsuit and Lenk/Colborn.
The court has (already) granted the defendants adequate means to make the point as it relates to bias.
This witness has nothing to do with the Sheriff's Department.
I fail to see any measurable probative value and the state's objection is well taken.
If the reason that the coroner was told to stay off the case was because of fear of a conflict, the probative value of such evidence is very great.
I'm worried about creating confusion for the jury by allowing it; the court has allowed the defense to present a great deal of evidence with regard to the bias issue.
To further involve the coroner is too dangerous to confuse issues when weight against the probative value.
I am not going to allow her testimony.
Related:Who is this coroner who already KNEW his services would be needed? They already planned to use a diff coroner B4 a body was found? Keep listening it’s after the Zander stuff#MakingAMurderer https://t.co/gRNA6LbhL7— 7 pairs-of-panties (@7pairsofpanties) August 14, 2018
- Undersheriff Hermann Somehow Was a Huge Player in the Teresa Halbach Case
- County Board Chairman, City Police Chief Defend Tarnished Manitowoc County Sheriff's Office
- Avery's Cases Related to a Secret Club of the 'Good Ole Boys'
- Manitowoc County Board supervisors vote to increase their own pay
ILoveGittaBanditta wrote at TickTockManitowoc one year ago:
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Manitowoc suicides reach all-time high
http://www.htrnews.com/story/news/local/2015/09/18/manitowoc-suicides/72421858/
Wow
I was held and beaten with brass knuckles 1982 by JL because MA gave him fake paper work on MCSD stationery that I had talked about him !!!
I don't even need to see anything more.
Add it up.
Beat, shot, fake busts, arrested for Perjury, Examined for competency.
This is the same problem that we had with MA before Re-monkey.
He created a group of people that were not drug related but for minor infractions of the law, then he convinced the DA and courts they were Kingpins!!!
And then dealt drugs in the bars and around 5 counties using real Kingpins and addicts, and protection of them to keep the money rolling in !!!
He destroyed at least 100 lives in the 12 or so of his reign.
Just seeing his name evoked a wave of panic attacks !!!
I'm one of the fake Kingpins whose life was messed with !!!
Governor D wiped my records clean before leaving office, probably so I couldn't sue the State of Wisconsin.
Manitowoc death squad Developed by MA.
I have rescued one person, now a vegetable in a home, PF.
The sequence of events in my life get jumbled up, PTSD from getting shot in the head.
Motorcycle gang's member of the Immortals = JJ
On October 22nd, 1992 MA gave a special 25 caliber mercury filled, brass jacketed dumb dumb bullet to JJ and paid him $25,000 to take me to a sink hole in Cleveland, Wisconsin and SHOOT ME IN THE HEAD IN THE SINK HOLE. I got that bullet to the State crime lab !!! And JJ appealed his conviction, saying he was employed by the police.
Ten years before, MA was strutting around in gestapo type long black leather jacket and gloves with a big fat cigar jammed in his mouth, terrorizing ordinary people he had turned into criminals in the eyes of the courts, while killing and dealing drugs with motorcycle gangs, using the D.A.R.E. program to work along side the real CRIMINAL ELEMENTS OF MANITOWOC AND SURROUNDING AREAS TO COMMIT TRUE EVIL !!!!!
No, SG was trying to expose corruption in the MCSD and against TK, especially, when he got beat by police and smeared in the papers !!! When he boldly wouldn't shut up he was fake suicide:
https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/htrnews/obituary.aspx?pid=180607938
Corruption runs deep and wide. MA isn't spoken about or referred to very much in MAM discussion circles. Make no mistake, he should be.
https://www.wicourts.gov/ca/opinion/DisplayDocument.html?content=html&seqNo=8556
FederalesEsMuyMuyInteligente
MA = Mark Anderson
JL = James Lenk
Re-monkey = Remiker
JJ = James Jacobson
SG = Steven Walter Grimm
TK = Tom Kocourek
@RenyRoha @CarlaGa71590460— Zellner Chess (@ZellnerCrimeLaw) May 16, 2019
Mark also arranged a failed murder of Dale Scheley by a hitman. Hitman shot him in the head in the woods & he survived. Hitman went to jail and Mark Anderson #ScottFree #MaM #MakingAMurderer #WakeUpWisconsin #WorkWithKZ pic.twitter.com/09doYBe9K7
"On 10/22/92 Mark Anderson gave a special 25 caliber mercury filled, brass jacketed dumb dumb bullet to James Jacobson and paid him $25,000 to take me to a sink hole in Cleveland, WI and SHOOT ME IN THE HEAD." [u]ILoveGittaBandittahttps://t.co/zCrHgl0dnf— Lick The Knife (@RenyRoha) May 20, 2019
[–]parkercom[S]
ReplyDeleteI would like to remind everyone that Andrew Colborn has already been caught being dishonest under oath.
He testifies that the reason he didn't make an entry until June 2006 about his visit with Steven Avery on November 3rd, 2005 because:
A. I wasn't even aware that Manitowoc County had our own report. I didn't find out about it til then.
It makes sense, because the entry he makes in June of 2006 shows up at the very end of the MTSO Summary report.
If you would think colborn not knowing about the MTSO summary report until June 2006 is normal, then you'd be wrong. Why? Because Andrew Colborn also made multiple reports in the same Summary in November of 2005 that are sandwiched in between other officers' reports from that same time period. This shows that not only did Colborn know a report existed all the way back in November of 2005, it also shows that he made two entries at that time in a report that he didn't "find out about until June of 2006"
Why lie about such small things like when he actually found out about the Summary report? To cover his own butt for not documenting anything of substance even though he was all over the evidence map? Sure looks like it.
Yet another lie from a dishonest officer.
[–]parkercom[S]
Nothing from November 4th was saved back in 2005.
Luckily the records supervisor today is the same one that was the supoervisor in 2005.
Manitowoc also implemented a brand new dispatch system prior to 10/31/2005. That's helpful because it's more modern.
If one day out of 10 is missing and was not copied over in 2005 when the audio was requested, one has to ask why not?
And on one of the general November 4th calls you can hear the operator on the dispatch radio with another officer running a criminal history check on a citizen. So we know there was radio dispatch traffic from November 4th. Why was it never provided but the other 9 days were?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/9av1r9/why_would_november_4th_be_relevant_enough_to/
[–]parkercom
DeleteHe made reports about his activitied on 11/8 in the middle of November of 2005.
Officers don't write reports when they happen. They write a summary of their actions for a few days even an entire week, at one time.
When Colborn wrote his reports for 11/8, he should have included his activities on 11/3, 11/5, 11/6, and 11/7.
Instead, he doesn't write anything except two entries (which he forgot he wrote, otherwise he would not have lied about 'not knowing') in the middle of all the other activity from MTSO.
This, along with other lies he told under oath, makes him less credible than Bobby Dassey as a witness.
Recap:
Andrew Colborn lies about his license plate call
Andrew Colborn lies about the way the key is discovered
Andrew Colborn lies that he didn't know Manitowoc had their own report until June of 2006 when he makes two entries in the report he didn't know about, in November of 2005.
....More to come.
https://www.removeddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/99u3l5/andrew_colborn_also_lies_about_small_details_on/
Why would November 4th be relevant enough to withhold from discovery handover?(self.MakingaMurderer)
ReplyDeletesubmitted 1 weeks ago by parkercom to /r/MakingaMurderer
There are some things that don't make sense to me with Manitowoc County and I can't put my finger on it.
It is unclear why Incident number 8844 was closed on November 3rd if Manitowoc County was actively assisting in the missing person investigation on November 4th.
Having the incident number closed on November 3rd (presumably) and later reopened when the car is found, as is talked about in this call, is peculiar as it was an ongoing investigation which they were very active in assisting with.
Since the Dispatch logs were closed on 11/3, we don't get to see what times that some major events happened, such as:
11/3
Colborn saying they are en route to the Zipperer address.
Remiker telling dispatch him, Colborn, and Calumet County will be at the Zipperer residence.
Colborn finally getting Zipperer to come to the door.
[Colborn, Remiker, Dedering all 10-24 (Police code for assignment complete) from the Zipperer residence.
11/4
Wiegert Calling MTSO on the morning of 11/4
Wigert Calling MTSO Again and asking for Lenk, who doesn't answer his phone in his office.
Link to report of Lenk from 11/4 documenting his visit with Steven Avery.
Remiker calling his dispatch asking for Calumet County's phone number and is transferred.
Wiegert calling MTSO again, a third time the same day, in the evening of 11/4 and is transferred to the shift commander.
If the dispatch log wasn't closed and the incident was still open, we would see a time of the radio transmission and arrivals to, from Zipperer's on 11/3 and Avery's on 11/4.
Instead, why would a police department close the incident report during an active investigation, and eliminate dispath radio transmissions when Colborn is said to have called in the license plates?
Discuss, guys. Please.
https://www.removeddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/9av1r9/why_would_november_4th_be_relevant_enough_to/
[–]Truth2free
DeleteTrying to understand. You're saying there is audio but no dispatch logs from MTSO on the 4th?
But there is for the 3rd and 5th?
[–]parkercom
This is what it looks like:
General dispatch calls are available for the 4th, these are calls that come into the general operator that answers "Manitowoc County sheriff how can i help you" However, these were provided to the defense in the summer of 2006 after multiple requests. They don't look like they had any sort of time stamping.
radio transmissions (the shorter ones that use lots of numbers and badges and 10 codes) are missing from november 4th altogether. There should at least be radio dispatch from Lenk and Remiker making their way to the property on 11/4.
The dispatch log correlates with the radio transmissions for the most part. It's missing entries for both 11/3 and 11/4 altogether. Although radio transmissions were provided for 11/3 because we hear colborn and remiker at zipperer.
it's odd and it stinks.
[–]PubTender
There actually is a CYA incident report for 11.4,
Incident number 9184, created on 11.15, incident type classified as “assist other law enforcement”. Documents Lenk and Remikers visit to the yard the night of 11.5. Remiker is the reporting LE on the report.
Yet a third incident created related to “assisting” CASO for the same incident. Hmmmm 8844 was already opened and LE notes input to it.
[–]parkercom
Ah yes, this one.
This screams Cover Your ass.
Reminds me of the Colborn report that Kratz had to remind him to write, in June of 2006.
Remiker was better at covering his ass. That's why he was a detective and Colborn was just a chauffeur road patrolman.
[–]7-pairs-of-panties
The fact that nothing is on dispatch for the 4th is alarming. Did the whole force take a day off? Did they stop searching that day? Why isn’t there dispatch regarding Lenk and remiker going to do a walk through of SA’s trailer? At least there should be some dispatch about them going or leaving....yet NOTHING.
[–]parkercom
They didn't take a day off, because we hear everyone loud and clear on audio. From the morning hours, until the late PM hours.
There was a lot of activity on both 11/3 and 11/4, so where is the documentation?
[–]parkercom
DeleteOnce officer Colborn arrived with the others, the search party moved on.
Officer Tyson's reports say they were at kuss road from 11am until about 1:30pm. The burn barrel with electronics was found after the bushman team moved on.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/9ahqsm/it_is_false_that_the_lack_of_vegetation_near_kuss/e4vxj3k/?context=1
[–]parkercom
What I am doing seems to be this:
Pointing out audio and correlating it to dates
[–]seekingtruthforgood15 points1 weeks ago
The case is probably filed under two incident numbers, just like CASO did... in fact, I wonder if Zips missing voice mail is tucked away somewhere, filed under the 2nd incident number CASO was using. Hmmm... maybe Zellner should check under the 2 id's that had Lucy so pissed off.
[–]parkercom14 points1 weeks ago
The only other one i can think of is incident 2005-00008841 which is when Andrew Colborn visits Steven Avery on 11/3.
[–]seekingtruthforgood9 points1 weeks ago
I bet it's all there... if Avery is granted a new trial, the computer records will be pulled, as will the two case numbers for CASO. All that time missing from MTSO's records is not possible.
[–]parkercom12 points1 weeks ago
It's not a lot of time to be fair. It's only one day out of 10.
Not an important day i'm sure.
[–]seekingtruthforgood9 points1 weeks ago
'Prolly all just normal for police departments to lose one day out of every ten for their officers' communications...
https://removeddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/9av1r9/why_would_november_4th_be_relevant_enough_to/
[–]parkercom11 points1 weeks ago
I believe when Calumet County was asked to provide their audio for the 10 day period from 11/3/2005 to 11/12/2005, they provided something 15,000 audio files.
It's like night and day.
Showing that no dispatch log entries exist for dispatch radio transmissions from 11/3 from the 4 Manitowoc Officers that were assisting in the Teresa Halbach case.
Showing that there are no radio transmissions or dispatch log entries from 11/4, even though there are reports from that day about police activity, assisting in the Teresa Halbach case.
I don't see any sourcing from you. I am still waiting for anything worthy to be called a rebuttal.
Manitowoc Lied and this shows such.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/9b1fni/the_double_standard_employed_by_avery_supporters/e4ztkp8/?context=3
What evidence was edited before being provided to the defense?(self.MakingaMurderer)
ReplyDeletesubmitted 1 weeks ago by parkercom to /r/MakingaMurderer
Flyover Video (November 4th)
MTSO Dispatch logs (November 4th)
MTSO Dispatch Radio Transmissions (November 4th)
Anything else?
[–]NewYorkJohn
None of the above was edited you spend your life posting unsupported allegations and falsely calling them facts...
[–]parkercom
We have 4 minutes from a 3+ hour flyover. Edited.
Dispatch logs seem to have a missing day in them, Edited.
Dispatch Radio Transmissions seem to have a missing day in them, Edited.
If you have the original copies, would you be so kind as to share with the rest of us?
Can you give us the original copies that have all nine days included?
https://removeddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/9ahibt/what_evidence_was_edited_before_being_provided_to/
Hypothetically, what would make you believe Manitowoc County was nefarious in this 2005 Investigation?(self.MakingaMurderer)
ReplyDeletesubmitted 1 weeks ago by parkercom to /r/MakingaMurderer
Short of Colborn of Lenk coming forward and confessing to planting evidence, what would make you think twice about Manitowoc County's involvement?
Would them withholding evidence without explanation do the trick? Or them erasing, completely from their systems, part of a relevant time frame that was questioned highly during trial?
So far we know that:
Colborn Lied about the 11/3 call when it was most likely a day later
Colborn lied about the way the key was found and Ken Kratz up to that point had no idea that Manitowoc was even that involved.
Colborn/Lenk/Tyson searched a specific area and line of cars where license plates were found a day later by a volunteer fireman in open view on the folded back seat/trunk area, near the passenger side.
Manitowoc County Siders/Bushman found Kuss road and it was Officer Colborn who was on the radio requesting, specifically, that Calumet County requested a Manitowoc County unit to seal off Kuss road.
Officer Siders finds the burned electronics not long after his group finds kuss road earlier in the day.
Would the Sheriff erasing data from the investigation, today, make you believe they were covering something up? If not, what would convince you?
Discuss.
They were sent to Kuss Rd by the command post and eventually left as a search warrant was being secured and called several times to ask if the lab was there yet because if so they would have to go to be on hand to collect any evidence if the lab found anything.
I'm assuming you have not heard the audio.
https://clyp.it/ohr03cfp
https://removeddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/9aggkk/hypothetically_what_would_make_you_believe/
PubTender
DeleteIMO it’s not just Manitowoc. It is fact that the AG’s office was involved as early as 11.5, after the RAV was located, so it did go up the food chain as I had predicted in 2016 (based on my experience in a large local govt jurisdiction). Now having confirmation that they were involved that early in the set up, just who was the head puppet master remains to be seen. I doubt the head puppet master will be exposed, but who is going to be the fall guy or gal is going to be a hoot.
parkercom
I also find it interesting that all commands went through jacobs and he was the liaison at the command post. He's also the one who recorded the now lost voicemail.
Colborn and Lenk had no direct contact with Wiegert, Kratz, Fassbender, etc when volunteering their services.
PubTender
Good point. Makes one wonder if the state set it up to look like it was Manitowoc employees doing the planting, public perception being what it is just as Kenny boy notes. Maybe it was not Manitowoc that did the planting, maybe it was DCI, and Calumet all along, it’s obvious what Wiegert and Fassbender’s roles were with Brendan.
https://www.removeddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/99u3l5/andrew_colborn_also_lies_about_small_details_on/
What evidence was edited before being provided to the defense?(self.MakingaMurderer)
ReplyDeletesubmitted 1 weeks ago by parkercom to /r/MakingaMurderer
Flyover Video (November 4th)
MTSO Dispatch logs (November 4th)
MTSO Dispatch Radio Transmissions (November 4th)
Anything else?
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[–]ExpertFail (deleted by user)1 point1 weeks ago
Weren't the cell phone records edited, or at least put into a new spreadsheet, but the defense agreed to stipulate to it, but it's different to what KZ released? I don't really follow all that.
[–]NewYorkJohn-3 points1 weeks ago
None of the above was edited you spend your life posting unsupported allegations and falsely calling them facts...
[–]parkercom19 points1 weeks ago
We have 4 minutes from a 3+ hour flyover. Edited.
Dispatch logs seem to have a missing day in them, Edited.
Dispatch Radio Transmissions seem to have a missing day in them, Edited.
If you have the original copies, would you be so kind as to share with the rest of us?
[–]NewYorkJohn1 point1 weeks ago
There is no evidence of any editing all you keep doing is making up things and calling them facts...
[–]parkercom7 points1 weeks ago
Can you give us the original copies that have all nine days included?
[–]NewYorkJohn-1 points1 weeks ago
>Can you give me the original copies that have all nine days included?
You bear the burden of proving your claim. Admitting you have no evidence means you lost...
[–]ThackerLaceyDeJaynes4 points1 weeks ago
Get on a different forum and I'll give you the proof.
But you won't.
Because you don't want to see how WRONG you are.
Reddit is restricting and that's why you all congregate here.
To avoid the truth.
[–]Cant_u_see9 points1 weeks ago
The flyover is clearly edited and even fallon said he only had the edited version - so it seems your the one making unsupported allegations
[–]parkercom8 points1 weeks ago
I wish he would just stop doing that.
[–]Cant_u_see4 points1 weeks ago
Yes but he wont
https://removeddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/9ahibt/what_evidence_was_edited_before_being_provided_to/
[–]parkercom 15 points 10 days ago*
ReplyDeleteManitowoc Dispatch Radio Audio:
Track 20, 11/7 around 11AM,
Colborn setting up Perimeter around Kuss road.
https://clyp.it/4m0r4roc
Track 22, 11/7 Around 12PM,
Siders Finding Barrel
https://clyp.it/2s3m2jqk
As you can see, Evidence shows you are wrong.
If you'd like, I can also give you links to Calumet audio that I found online, that actually has the date/time in the file name, that also has audio talking about "searchers coming up to kuss road" around 10am. The people on the internet have a whole slew of information that hasn't made it's way over to this forum, yet.
[–]NewYorkJohn[S] 5 points 10 days ago*
Making up times of calls doesn't accomplish a thing...
In the meantime even if your claims had been true- how would that help you since Kuss Rd was still not even excavated at noon? Are you claiming that a Star Trek style teleporter locked on items inside the ground and made them materialize in the burn barrel for Siders to find?
[–]parkercom 6 points 10 days ago
Once officer Colborn arrived with the others, the search party moved on.
Officer Tyson's reports say they were at kuss road from 11am until about 1:30pm. The burn barrel with electronics was found after the bushman team moved on.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/9ahqsm/it_is_false_that_the_lack_of_vegetation_near_kuss/e4vnoav/?context=1
Andrew Colborn also lies about "small" details on the stand.(self.MakingaMurderer)
ReplyDeletesubmitted 1 weeks ago by parkercom to /r/MakingaMurderer
He testifies that the reason he didn't make an entry until June 2006 about his visit with Steven Avery on November 3rd, 2005 because:
>A. I wasn't even aware that Manitowoc County had our own report. I didn't find out about it til then.
It makes sense, because the entry he makes in June of 2006 shows up at the very end of the MTSO Summary report.
If you would think that's normal, then you'd be wrong. Why?
Because Andrew Colborn also made multiple reports in the same Summary in November of 2005.
Why lie about such small things?
Yet another lie from a dishonest officer.
[–]TX18Q9 points1 weeks ago
Colborn's credibility has crumbled like a deck of cards. His lies are going to be a "key"-factor in Zellner trial, proving bias against Avery. These are not suspicions or theories, they are PROVEN lies.
[–]parkercom6 points1 weeks ago
It's clear as day that at least one manitowoc officer lied through his teeth.
Andrew colborn is a POS.
[–]southpaw725 points1 weeks ago
Didn't he screw up further in a recent email claiming the key was "cleverly hidden in a secret compartment"
Strange to see somebody honest with truth on there side embellishing the facts
[–]lickity_snickum5 points1 weeks ago
> Didn't he screw up further in a recent email claiming the key was "cleverly hidden in a secret compartment"
What? When was this?
[–]southpaw722 points1 weeks ago
One month after mam aired
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.postcrescent.com/amp/82261446
[–]lickity_snickum5 points1 weeks ago
Nothing to see ... move along
[–]parkercom5 points1 weeks ago
His reasons for calling in the license plate seem to be the very "ambiguous" testimony that he felt he needed to clear up for America.
However, that action on his part just shows how long he will cover up a lie.
[–]parkercom3 points1 weeks ago
He made reports about his activitied on 11/8 in the middle of November of 2005.
Officers don't write reports when they happen. They write a summary of their actions for a few days even an entire week, at one time.
When Colborn wrote his reports for 11/8, he should have included his activities on 11/3, 11/5, 11/6, and 11/7.
Instead, he doesn't write anything except two entries (which he forgot he wrote, otherwise he would not have lied about 'not knowing') in the middle of all the other activity from MTSO.
This, along with other lies he told under oath, makes him less credible than Bobby Dassey as a witness.
Recap:
Andrew Colborn lies about his license plate call
Andrew Colborn lies about the way the key is discovered
Andrew Colborn lies that he didn't know Manitowoc had their own report until June of 2006 when he makes two entries in the report he didn't know about, in November of 2005.
....More to come.
[–]turnbacktime22 points1 weeks ago
The MTSO reports are pathetic. How something as important as an account of events during an investigation and the results from AC for the entire investigation is less than a page?
[–]parkercom3 points1 weeks ago
His contribution to documenting his actions was so insignificant, that he forgot he made entries at all, exposing himself in another lie.
[–]parkercom3 points1 weeks ago
I'd like to hear a reasonable explanation about the multiple lies told by Colborn.
https://removeddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/99u3l5/andrew_colborn_also_lies_about_small_details_on/
parkercom
DeleteThat's a very good point.
Not only did Colborn know about the main 8844 summary report that everyone has seen. I believe he called in and started his own 8841 incident report after visiting Steven Avery's residence on 11/3. However I don't think there is an actual written report by Colborn, just a dispatch report.
You know what else is odd? 8844 is said to have started at 6:37PM when Detective Wiegert calls Manitowoc to notify them of Teresa. Colborn's report, after he visits Avery, is 8841.
The report numbers are chronological order as well. how does a report that's created nearly an hour later, have an incident number that comes before an incident that came before it?
PubTender
You are correct about the times crated vs the incident numbers being generated as strange.
Yes, Colborn called in and started his own incident report after visiting Avery’s. There is no written report corresponding with this incident number that I am aware of.
On the morning of 11.5, Remiker calls in to dispatch and IIRC they reopened incident 8844 (I don’t recall if the incident number is captured in the call though).
parkercom
Yes, it's captured when an officer calls in to dispatch to recall and pin point his times before he writes his summary report.
There are a couple of incidents at 10:50am and 10:54am i believe, that are not captured on the MTSO dispatch log that was given to the defense.
It wouldn't be fishy if this same department wasn't caught framing an innocent man who coincidentally is the same man they were investigating in 2005 (conflict of interest) and keeping him behind bars longer than he had to be just years prior.
Also, i'm positive that Kocourek and Vogel were happy to settle for 400k. It means their REAL deceit would never be discovered. Cough. 1996. Cough.
PubTender
Yes as with all government entities, they are used to hiding behind sovereign immunity. Never, ever under any circumstance admit that you are human and make mistakes, have a vendetta, etc.
Why was all evidence pertaining to Steven found after Kuss Road?(self.MakingaMurderer)
ReplyDeletesubmitted 2 weeks ago by parkercom to /r/MakingaMurderer
And why was it all found by the same agency?
At the time all other evidence was found I don't believe they had anything tying Steven to the crime.
Discuss.
If my memory serves, the timeline goes something like this:
A search group with Manitowoc Siders and Bushman arrive on the morning of 11/7 and are assigned the areas west and north of the salvage yard. Around 10am, their search group finds kuss road and the command post notifies dedering around 10:30am. Around 10:50 am, more Manitowoc sheriff employees in colborn and lenk, along with Calumet Tyson, arrive at the suspicious site and stay there for several hours.
During this time, leader Bushman's group moves on and then moves north of the yard. Siders looks in the burn barrel north of Stevens trailer for a good five minutes (but doesn't touch), and finds burned electronics. That's his testimony. He gives us the post and baldwin comes over to watch it around 1pm on 11/7.
On 11/8, early in the morning, colborn and lenk lie about finding a Toyota key as the testimony is not truthful. Neither are the statements they made. You have to know that up until this point Ken Kratz had no idea Manitowoc county was even involved in searching.
After the key is found, a volunteer searcher finds license plates in open view in the back of a station wagon that Lenk and colborn helped search the day before.
After the plates are found, Manitowoc employee Jost spots a burn pit and something that he thinks might be bone 8 feet south of the freshly discovered burn pit area. He flags the area for later inspection by an arson investigator.
I hope that clears things up.
[–]PubTender10 points2 weeks ago
Where is that “vertebrae” Jost spotted in the grass near the burn pit, where the big bad German Shepherd named Bear held two award winning local jurisdictions, seasoned evidence technicians from Manitowoc, over 200 LE, F & R, and the like? Eisenberg does not note that “vertebrae” anywhere.
[–]parkercom12 points2 weeks ago
It was a sham of a spotting to get the area excavated even though Teresa's tibia was found in the Janda burn barrel. It was all conflated in the end.
[–]parkercom8 points2 weeks ago
The blood in the car was not determined to be stevens until at least the 12th if I recall correctly.
So again, why was everything after kuss road found by Manitowoc?
The license plates were the last bit found on the 8th. However colborn and lenk searched the cars including the station wagon that the llayes were found in, a day before on the 7th.
[–]stOneskull8 points2 weeks ago
who found the bullet? who discovered teresa's dna was on the bullet? who determined the bullet was fired from the rifle in avery's room? please answer these questions.
[–]parkercom7 points2 weeks ago
Detective remiker is photographed next to the bullet as it was found "in situ"
[–]parkercom6 points2 weeks ago
A Manitowoc officer called in a license plate from that car before it was found -- without a license plate on it. The coincidence is remarkable.
https://removeddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/99ifar/why_was_all_evidence_pertaining_to_steven_found/
[–]parkercom2 points1 weeks ago
DeleteWhat wasn't found after kuss road?
At the time kuss road was discovered, Steven Avery had no connection to the crime of Teresa halbach in the eyes of law enforcement.
[–]parkercom8 points2 weeks ago
The luring theory came from the mind of a clinical deviant who must so happened to lead the trial against Steven Avery.
It was a last ditch effort to show legal motive against Avery since the judge had shot down the other acts motion in 2006. Which is why nobody, not even local media, knew about the *67 calls until trial. It was Ken Kratz's smoking gun.
It was a sham.
[–]parkercom8 points2 weeks ago
Motive sure as heck looks good to a jury.
No mistake here except believing anything from the mouth of a deviant prosecutor that has a lie (or a factual error, who the heck was the amateur researcher on that book?) On the gery first page of the very first chapter on his book, which he shamelessly wrote to make money and exploit the death of Teresa halbach.
[–]FigDish366 points2 weeks ago
Motive, as I explained is irrelevant. Same notice as the Mollie Tibbetts case - just a mope with a head full of bad wiring who snapped.
Talk to Zellner about trying to make money off a dead girl.
[–]parkercom2 points2 weeks ago
If it was irrelevant then Ken Kratz would not have had his resources spend months to build a case revolving around sexual motive.
Please shoo. Kiddie game is down the street sir.
[–]parkercom5 points2 weeks ago
What was found prior to kuss road, that tied Steven to the crime directly? The blood was not determined to be his until after he was arrested on an unrelated charge.
[–]Eric_D_2 points2 weeks ago
The blood was found on Nov. 5th. along with the vehicle it was locked in. Determined to be his at a later date does not put the acquisition at a later date. It was locate on the 5th.
[–]parkercom5 points2 weeks ago
Manitowoc county knowing nothing tying Steven Avery to the crime would indeed cause evidence to start magically popping up, which it did, days after dogs didn't sniff anything out near where evidence popped up in 11/7 and 11/8.
[–]FigDish368 points2 weeks ago
Did they make Avery's alibi magically disappear or magically force Avery to lie to them initially and claim she never showed up? That kind of magic?
[–]parkercom14 points2 weeks ago
They did. They made jodi disappear in January of 2006 when she requested investigators stop harassing her.
Then they made his other alibi, Brendan, disappear and turned him into a suspect and accomplice to an imaginary crime to which evidence was all found by Manitowoc county.
[–]PubTender5 points2 weeks ago
Source please that the blood was located on the 5th.
[–]Eric_D_4 points2 weeks ago
In the vehicle, locate on the 5th.
[–]PubTender8 points2 weeks ago
There is not one report that there was blood in the vehicle on the 5th, again source please.
[–]Eric_D_2 points2 weeks ago
You were given your source.
[–]parkercom7 points2 weeks ago
The only mention of blood being found immediately was by Ken kratz during a November 10th 2005 press conference. He said "we knew about the blood in the car immediately" but never specifies how.
It's clear how actually. Brutus alerted on the Rav 4 to human decomposition on November 5th. The crime lab, presumably after the fact, discovers that it is specifically blood that Brutus alerted to since that's all that was found in the car DNA wise (until 5 months later a full DNA profile from sweat dna on a hood latch).
Ken Kratz in front of the media conflated not knowing what type of specific human decomposition Brutus alerted on, on the 5th... with knowing it was blood, since he knew on November 10th what it was when he made the statement to the media.
However there are no official police reports showing blood being found in the rav4. Especially Steven Avery's blood. Nobody knew it was Steven Avery's blood until the 10th of November.
https://removeddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/99ifar/why_was_all_evidence_pertaining_to_steven_found/
Dogs said Teresa was near kuss road... Why didn't Brendan guess that detail?(self.MakingaMurderer)
ReplyDeletesubmitted 2 weeks ago by parkercom to /r/MakingaMurderer
Discuss.
[–]7-pairs-of-panties14 points2 weeks ago
Why didn’t anyone ask him that? Why didn’t anyone ask him about the computer? The answer is the same. When they didn’t want answers to certain things they just didn’t ask them. Kinda like testing things. They didn’t test anything they didn’t already know the answer to. If they did they would have tested the bedding and matress that a brutal rape and murder occurred on. They didn’t they even let an officer sit on the bed that crucial evidence may have been on possibly contaminating an important crime scene.
[–]FigDish362 points2 weeks ago
They had sufficient evidence to obtain two murder convictions which have been upheld several times each on appeal.
[–]parkercom10 points2 weeks ago
You're right.
It's unfortunate that the law is sometimes so rigid that previous, less effective counsel... Or worse yet, a pro se motion can waive any "new" arguments that a thorough investigation by Zellner has revealed.
Waivers are indeed a hurdle Zellner knew she had to overcome when she took the case. Judge Sutkiewicz used Avery's pro se motion as one of the reasons none of zellners arguments were considered new.
If Kathleen Zellner was Steven Avery's first appealate counsel, Steven Avery would have been free by 2008.
The broken and corrupt legal system is a cloak of power that prosecutors, attorney generals, and some judges like to hide behind as a cop out to make tough choices. Upsetting voters is more imortant than the lives of less prosperous citizens.
[–]parkercom6 points2 weeks ago
Why are you not answering my question?
[–]watwattwo8 points2 weeks ago
No, I can't "show where cadaver dogs hit in the garage", and I never claimed they did, so I find your question odd.
Now can you answer my question: what do you think this dog tracking TH's scent was saying when she was showing much interest in Steven's garage and trying to enter his trailer?
[–]parkercom10 points2 weeks ago
DeleteWe'll loof didn't go in the garage. Why not?
Cadaver dogs didn't hit in the garage.
So what about the dogs corroborates Brendan's statement about Teresa being in the garage?
You find it odd the scent of a woman in a semi enclosed area, where her electronics are 50 feet away, her burned tibia is in the Janda burn barrel, and whose receipt and other magazines that are inside the Avery trailer that have Teresa's scent odd that a scent dog would shown interest in that immediate area?
But you don't find odd that same dog you're using to boldter your argument tracks that same scent a half mile away from the Avery compound? In an open field nonetheless?
You're a cherry picker and I frankly don't have the time for that form of "debate".
[–]watwattwo17 points2 weeks ago
I have not cherry-picked anything.
In fact, I have supplemented your cherry-picked data of a dog being interested in Kuss Rd with further data of a dog being interested in Steven's trailer and garage. In doing so, I have pointed out your double-standard and faulty logic.
When a dog shows interest in Kuss Rd, you think he's Sherlock Holmes, but when a dog shows interest in Steven's garage and trailer, it's like he's speaking dog again and you make up excuses for why he did.
I find particularly hilarious your questioning of why Loof didn't go into the garage. Contextual reading would lead one to understand the garage door was closed when Loof was there, but perhaps if a dog can speak, he can also open garage doors (although this should have been explained in the OP).
To sum up, I have never claimed TH wasn't at Kuss Rd or that I didn't find it odd that a dog followed a scent around there. I've only pointed out that if the dog is speaking to you, telling you that TH was at Kuss Rd, he is also telling you she was in Steven's garage and trailer.
[–]parkercom6 points2 weeks ago
I have said it is not odd for a scent dog to be interested in the immediate vicitity of the trailer and garage when:
There are autotrader magazines and receipts that were once in Teresa's car, inside the Avery trailer.
There are white 5 gallon buckets in the vicinity which law enforcement felt were used to distribute remains.
There was partially burned electronics in the Avery burn barrel
Teresa was there taking pictures on 10/31
I expect Teresas scent to he around the Avery compound. I don't expect it to be a half mile west over an open air quarry.
Regardless. This all takes us back to the command post stopping loofs track heading half mile away from the Avery yard once loof arrived at the cul-de-sac.
If Teresa wasn't at kuss road, where was that in one of the hundreds of guesses Brendan made during his many hours of taped interrogations?
[–]FigDish363 points1 weeks ago
DeleteYES!!!! Yes! WHY THE HOLY FUCK DID HE NOT GET A RECEIPT FROM HER? Because she never left and he was busy killing her!
That's a solid gold point dude!!!
[–]parkercom1 point1 weeks ago
Your question is answered by Steven in his earliest interviews, prior to any of the evidence from Kuss road was found on the Avery property.
On another note, there were other customer(s) that didn't procure a receipt when asked.
Shrugs.
[–]parkercom1 point1 weeks ago
Why would you cut off the part of my statement where I said I don't find it odd that Loof sniffed Teresa out near Avery's residence?
You are arguing with me yet your opinion that Teresa was sniffed out by Loof near the garage and trailer was expected, considering many reasons I listed, and one of those being that Teresa herself was there, taking photos on 10/31.
>A trail has two ends. Why do you put so much weight into one end of the trail while completely discounting the other end?
I put equal weight in both ends, which is why I find Teresa being tracked a half mile away, odd.
You are the one who seems to put a lot of weight into the garage, and little weight into Kuss road (eventhough cadaver dogs hit on a suspicious site there day or two prior to loof arriving).
https://removeddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/99j147/dogs_said_teresa_was_near_kuss_road_why_didnt/
Manitowoc County Connection to evidence against Avery(self.MakingaMurderer)
ReplyDeletesubmitted 2 weeks ago by parkercom to /r/MakingaMurderer
RAV 4
Colborn calls in license plates on car before it's found
Car coincidentally found with license plates removed
Colborn and Kratz are not honest about this topic at trial
License Plates
Found on November 8th by volunteer searcher in open view, in back seat of station wagon north of the fence line, east of the Janda trailer.
Those cars including that station wagon searched by Manitowoc officers lenk and colborn on November 7th.
License plates not found that day eventhoigh they were in open view.
Key
Found November 8th by Colborn and Lenk
Colborn lies about how the key was found at tria
Burned electronics
Found November 8th by Manitowoc officer Siders
Burn pit
Found November 8th by Manitowoc Jost
Jost flags suspected bone approximately 8 feet south of the burn pit.
Bullet
Manitowoc Remiker pictured as bullet is found from as a result of a search warrant from Brendan's unreliable confession
Bullet found on top of Jack hammered concrete with no dust
Kuss road
Found November 7th by a group led by Manitowoc retiree officer Bushman
November 7th and 8th were big days for Manitowoc county and coincidentally this investigation against Steven Avery.
[–]engineerairborne7 points1 weeks ago
The bottom line, if MTSO would have stayed far away from the investigation, and all of this would have been found by CASO I don't think that there would be an MAM and there would have not been any questions on all of this.
[–]parkercom5 points1 weeks ago
I agree 100%.
[–]parkercom9 points1 weeks ago
The rear seat was folded down and the license plate was found on top of a folded rear seat, partially crossing the "line" that would constitute the trunk area as well.
Besides, the trunk/rear seat were one flat piece. They peered in the window of the station wagon in the rear, surely they'd see a folded metal license plate near the bucket with broken glass in the rear window.
[–]parkercom8 points1 weeks ago
11/7 first thing in the morning. Caso report.
[–]belee862 points1 weeks ago
Can you provide the exact statement of checking the station wagon.
[–]parkercom9 points1 weeks ago
All cars north of the fence line going east to the big blue office building.
Other than that you'll have to read it for yourself
[–]belee866 points1 weeks ago
Where does it say, as you claim in your OP, that Lenk and Colborn seearch the station wagon.
[–]parkercom11 points1 weeks ago
The station wagon is in the area where the report says they spent their time searching.
if you are claiming they skipped over the station wagon which is in the direct path of their reported search, I will ask that you kindly provide a source to that.
[–]belee865 points1 weeks ago
> Those cars including that station wagon searched by Manitowoc officers lenk and colborn on November 7th.
This is what you wrote. Where is it stated Lenk and Colborn searched THAT station wagon?
[–]parkercom11 points1 weeks ago
Let's get something straight before I go on with your little rodeo.
how bad are you claiming that these two are at their jobs that they didn't complete the task that they were given?
[–]belee863 points1 weeks ago
I want conformation of the what you wrote in your OP. Otherwise yoiu need to edit it.
[–]parkercom9 points1 weeks ago
What kind of confirmation do you want?
A police report.
A visual.
If you'd like more, you have to call and ask Mr Colborn yourself.
However if you wish for me to edit my OP and add Tyson to the list of another set of eyes that passed and searched the brown station wagon and most definitely looked inside (otherwise they aren't doing their jobs properly), then i'll be glad to do that.
Let me rephrase my question as well since this edit that you pointed out.
Why were the license plates not found on 11/7, with three sets of eyes on the station wagon during a specific car search north of the fence line and outbuildings?
[–]belee863 points1 weeks ago
Delete> If you'd like more, you have to call and ask Mr Colborn yourself.
Um you're the one misinterpreting and twisting information in police reports - it is you that needs to seek clarification.
[–]parkercom5 points1 weeks ago
The misrepresentation you claim I am making, is not including Tyson (that was in their trio of searchers that morning) as another set of eyes that looked into the station wagon and not seeing license plates.
You have helped my argument. I owe you a beer.
[–]parkercom8 points1 weeks ago
I have edited my post to include the three sets of eyes that searched the station wagon that was in their direct path on the morning of November 7th.
Thanks for pointing it out!
[–]turnbacktime29 points1 weeks ago
Rav4- Damage ignored. To date, RH is the only person that indicated TH damaged the rav prior and kept the insurance money.This was according to him told to him by 'family". This was found to not be true by KZ when she contacted TH's insurance company. TH never submitted anything.
Unless we hear from a family member they did in fact tell RH this story, it is circumstantial evidence it was not damaged and RH lied.
We know from the more recent interviews, MH was not aware the damage was on TH's vehicle and was going to look for video. So one family member out. I personally would ask my family, but that is me. Did he not know RH talked to a family member and did he really not ask a single family member if they told RH this?
Not one person in TH's family has backed up RH's statement to the LE. Nor one friend of TH's. No one that saw TH the day she disappeared noticed any damage to the vehicle and one customer went as far as to say it looked new.
It may be nothing. It is weird.
Why was Lenk even there? Why did he need to cross the tape lines to see if anyone needed snacks?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/49n7sm/what_was_lenk_doing_in_the_garage_when_the_bullet/
[–]turnbacktime211 points1 weeks ago
Bullet: PERSON IN OUT TIME INSIDE
LENK 8:54 8:56 2 MINS
LENK 8:59 9:03 4 MINS
LENK 9:22 9:27 5 MINS
LENK 9:28 9:29 1 MINS
https://removeddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/99kb77/manitowoc_county_connection_to_evidence_against/
Making a Murderer was deceptive, I'll be honest.(self.MakingaMurderer)
ReplyDeletesubmitted 1 weeks ago by parkercom to /r/MakingaMurderer
MaM told everyone to believe that Colborn only lied about the license plate call and the book case.
However, thanks to diligent research by the online community we know Colborn flat out lied about his report writing in this case as well.
Damn you MaM for not showing us all the lies told by Manitowoc and audio withheld by Manitowoc!
DAMN you MaM for failing to show us that November 4th was withheld from dispatch logs eventhough Manitowoc was investigating.
DAMN you MaM for not telling us about Kuss road and how Manitowoc found all the evidence after that site was found by Manitowoc as well.
I understand you only had 10 hours.
But...
DAMN YOU MaM!
[–]parkercom
I was told by the department that he was using a department issued cell phone. The records can be subpoenaed by phone number and a general inquiry kind of like Zellner did with Teresa's phone number.
it's why the records that Zellner got in 2017 had both Verizon and Cingular phone calls on there.
https://www.removeddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/9b33ph/making_a_murderer_was_deceptive_ill_be_honest/
Why Does Andrew Colborn lie so much under oath? (self.StevenAveryCase)
ReplyDeletesubmitted 12 days ago by parkercom
THIS POST WAS DELETED FROM THE /r/MAKINGAMURDERER SUBREDDIT FOR AN UNKNOWN REASON. I HOPE IT IS OK TO POST HERE.
He testifies that the reason he didn't make an entry until June 2006 about his visit with Steven Avery on November 3rd, 2005 because:
A. I wasn't even aware that Manitowoc County had our own report. I didn't find out about it til then.
And when pressured by Strang...
Q. And your testimony today is you aren't aware that any of them ever wrote any report?
A. No, I wasn't. I knew Calumet County Sheriff's Department was handling the report portion of it.
It makes sense, because the entry he makes in June of 2006 shows up at the very end of the MTSO Summary report.
If you would think colborn not knowing about the MTSO summary report until June 2006 is normal, then you'd be wrong. Why? Because Andrew Colborn also made multiple reports in the same Summary in November of 2005 that are sandwiched in between other officers' reports from that same time period. This shows that not only did Colborn know a report existed all the way back in November of 2005, it also shows that he made two entries at that time in a report that he didn't "find out about until June of 2006"
Why lie about such small things like when he actually found out about the Summary report? To cover his own butt for not documenting anything of substance even though he was all over the evidence map? Sure looks like it.
Yet another lie from a dishonest officer.
[–]InHosName-Amen 7 points 12 days ago
> THIS POST WAS DELETED FROM THE /r/MAKINGAMURDERER SUBREDDIT FOR AN UNKNOWN REASON. I HOPE IT IS OK TO POST HERE.
Why wouldn't it be? This isn't a shit show. You want to discuss something on your mind, about this case, by all means, post it.
We can't reason with their reasoning for removing posts. It doesn't break any Reddit rules and appears to upset some mods feelings who are extremely biased, so much so, they control the content.
[–]makingacanadian 5 points 12 days ago
189 comments removed by you parker. Bad ass
[–]JJacks61 5 points 12 days ago
I reported this to Reddit Admin. It's doubtful they will do anything, but C'MON, what the hell!
I didn't see anything that broke whatever rules they have in place. I do have to admit I am now thoroughly confused what their topic and comment rules are at the moment. They seem to be subjective and fluid.
[–]ticktock3210 5 points 12 days ago
How do you report to reddit admin? they delete legitimate posts of mine too.
[–]JJacks61 4 points 12 days ago
Go here - https://www.reddit.com/help/healthycommunities/ (Interesting read. MaM Mods should take a freaking look at it.)
Scroll to the bottom. In the help block, bottom link- "Contact us".
[–]makingacanadian 2 points 12 days ago
I think it's paranoia
[–]parkercom[S] 1 point 12 days ago
What do you mean?
[–]InHosName-Amen 4 points 12 days ago
If you are unaware, there's a problem with the Reddit rules being broken by the Mod who deleted all your comments, that have everything to do with the topic of the sub; Making A Murderer
Reddit rules are very specific:
Appeals:
Healthy communities allow for appropriate discussion (and appeal) of moderator actions. Appeals to your actions should be taken seriously. Moderator responses to appeals by their users should be consistent, germane to the issue raised and work through education, not punishment.
More Reddit Mod guide can be found here:
https://www.redditinc.com/policies/moderator-guidelines
[–]makingacanadian 3 points 12 days ago
What hos said
https://www.reddit.com/r/StevenAveryCase/comments/9a1ewu/why_does_andrew_colborn_lie_so_much_under_oath/
[–]InHosName-Amen 2 points 12 days ago
DeleteRemember I said they delete your comment's and posts and you don't even know it because they're buried? You'll see just how many of your comments they deleted here:
https://snew.github.io/r/makingamurderer/about/log
[–]makingacanadian 2 points 12 days ago
They deleted your comments on saig too
[–]parkercom[S] 4 points 12 days ago
I guess the "truth" isn't always the "truth"
[–]InHosName-Amen 1 point 12 days ago
Wait, the rules explicitly state Mods are not allowed to do cross sub shit like that.
[–]makingacanadian 2 points 12 days ago
Not sure which mod deleted, just that they were deleted in saig
[–]InHosName-Amen 1 point 12 days ago
They have mod logs enabled on that sub too:
https://snew.github.io/r/stevenaveryisguilty/
Not sure how to get to the individual log like MAM's
[–]makingacanadian 2 points 12 days ago
Do you know how to get those stats that someone posted a while back showing how many words people typed etc?
[–]InHosName-Amen 2 points 12 days ago
https://atomiks.github.io/reddit-user-analyser/
[–]makingacanadian 2 points 12 days ago
Hmm doesn't want to work for me, someone posted a big list one time showing most used words, up vote percent or something. Stats, nyj was miles above in words posted etc
[–]southpaw72 2 points 12 days ago*
u/MaMstats
I think that's the dude username who created the script
Edit, link to the script he wrote, he's not been on reddit for a few month
https://pastebin.com/ffpCJxZX
[–]lickity_snickum 2 points 12 days ago
Dude, that mod seriously dislikes you, lol
[–]parkercom[S] 2 points 12 days ago
This is so weird.
[–]RJ_Ramrod 1 point 12 days ago
It's weird until you consider the context—this sort of shit is par for the course in r/MakingaMurderer
Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas sketchy interview other camera angles (self.TickTockManitowoc)
ReplyDeleteby N64_Controller
The MH and RH sketchy interview (https://youtu.be/GRa7yPDjBzk) as shown on MaM episode 2 45:35 where they are lying their asses off to a reporter/ Fassbender about not having been on the Avery salvage yard was taken on November 10, 2005 as shown in this WBAY news clip (https://youtu.be/4ud4S4Ajf7M).
Here are 2 stills from other camera angles from that news clip at 5:27 and 6:42: https://imgur.com/a/IWdjyEI.
I don't see Fassbender in them but still found these 2 stills interesting enough to share.
Here are some other pics of the camera crew with the red and black jackets as shown in MaM: https://imgur.com/a/CER9Kz9
And here is Fassbender wearing a red and black rain jacket:
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/exhibit-130.jpg
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Exhibit-162-RAV4-Covered-By-Tarps.jpg
[–]raiph
DeleteThe idea comes from the fact that it is what it is. cf "email {the owners of the footage} and ask".
Where did the idea it that it was a press interview rather than LE doing a practice session come from? Your understanding must presumably have come from third parties rather than the owners of the footage, right? Do you recall where it came from? I know I had heard rumors to that effect.
Once I heard the crystal clear "you were never on the site" prompt to RH after what seemed like a trick question (this is at 20 seconds in to the clip) it suddenly became ultra clear it was just a practice session. I had seen lots of other signs of this, eg the way MH and RH interrupted each other and stumbled over their words and how the questioner seemed ultra familiar with Mike, before noticing the prompt. The latter, coupled with then reviewing the footage several more times, sealed it for me, short of a very strong contradiction. And then once the footage's owners confirmed it was Fassbender it was absolutely obvious. Fassbender isn't doing anything directly nefarious; he's just coaching witnesses prior to a news conference that LE had called, which is something that someone in his position is apparently supposed to do. (I didn't know that when I posted the thread I linked above.)
I wrote of several details of the clip in my post and so did others. Please either email the footage owner's or, to save them answering yet another inquiry, just reread the thread in which the above linked comment appeared if you prefer to doubt the simple facts of who took the footage (think about it; it's in MaM and nowhere else), whether it's Fassbender (think about it; he was there and would, as a professional, be expected to do what is seen in this footage; I didn't know that before my above post but now I do) and whether it's just a practice session (think about it; why would someone audibly prompt RH how to answer a trick question?).
Btw, since I wrote the post I linked at the start I've tentatively concluded a couple other things.
First, I think the MaM directors edited in the bit at the start to suggest that RH was in the group seen "in the fields" (he'd be the one with a green hoodie and woollen cap), implicitly suggesting there was video evidence of him being on the ASY property "finding" something but leaving others to finish the finding. (This was interleaved with him saying he wasn't on the property and that he wasn't going to comment on whether anything was found. I think the directors used this sort of editing to make things more compelling or at least interesting as a story.)
Second, this footage was taken a good while before news crews assembled their gear. Note the shadow angles from Mike's chin and contrast them with the ones once the news crews were assembled. It's significantly earlier than the news crews footage. It was taken by the directors of MaM from quite a distance away with directional miking. It was LE coaching RH and MH. This is perfectly legal.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/9co33j/mike_halbach_and_ryan_hillegas_sketchy_interview/
Is it lawful for US LE to practice with witnesses how they answer media questions? (self.TickTockManitowoc)
Deleteby raiph
[–]raiph[S]
Thank you for that really helpful clarification.
Are you aware of legal folk definitively, or at least productively, discussing whether that sort of practice session with someone who is obviously a suspect is lawful? Generally worldwide, generally US-wide, in WI?
[–]SBRH33
Ryan was never considered a suspect.
He admitted that at trial on defense cross.
Yes law enforcement do rehearse statements of witnesses.
Ken Kratz admitted this on camera after Bobby Dassey perjured himself over the joke Mike Osmusen apparently had with Steve.
Kratz flat out said that he prepares and coaches his witnesses as he sees fit. So in essence he told Bobby to recall that joke on the stand knowing full well it was wrong and that it was going to conflate the jury's thinking in considering Avery's guilt.
Look at Dedering's reports on the Zipperer statements. One of those statements were obviously coached... in particular Joellens November 6th statement at 9am.
[–]raiph[S]
Yes law enforcement do rehearse statements of witnesses.
I'm going to read your comment as saying that it's lawful, and thank you for answering my OP question, and for clarifying that there's no need for the speculation that fassbender was covertly pretending to be a reporter, and for the rest of your commentary. :)
[–]SBRH33
and for clarifying that there's no need for the speculation that fassbender was covertly pretending to be a reporter,
I dont think he was pretending to be a reporter. He wasn't in the press pool.
He was IMO prepping Ryan and Mike in case any of those type of questions were to arise... such as if they where on the Avery property. I think MAM's cameras happened to be rolling when it went down.
Fassbender knew that were on the property several times. But the press did not know that.
It would have been terrible optics if the public had found out they were on the property
[–]raiph[S]
Thanks for following up again.
So that begs narrower questions than my original one such as: is it lawful to coach witnesses to outright lie to the press? In WI? The US? All countries?
In a similar vein, is it lawful for LE themselves to outright lie to the press?
I've been wondering for a few years now if ever increasing normalization of lying, rewarding for lying, and legal protections for professional, corporate, institutional, and state lying, is the world's biggest problem in recent decades.
Even months after I first watched this exchange in a ninth circuit court session I'm still in awe of how far things seemed to have gone off the rails.
Assuming you answer my latest questions in the affirmative, how do you think we might possibly dig ourselves out of the hole we're in?
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/8w5ks3/is_it_lawful_for_us_le_to_practice_with_witnesses/e1warww/
14-35689 Clyde Spencer v. Sharon Krause
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2yYfUwPKsI#t=19m25s
His opinion: it is not a violation of due process if evidence is fabricated by the government when detectives/prosecution believe the suspect/defendant is guilty (if there is no other evidence supporting innocence).
United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit
Published on Mar 9, 2017
Clyde Spencer appeals from the judgment as a matter of law entered following a 17-day jury trial in his 42 U.S.C. § 1983 action, brought after his criminal conviction was vacated, alleging Clark County police officers fabricated evidence.
Spencer sued Krause and her supervisor, Clark County Sheriff’s Sgt. Michael Davidson, for fabricating evidence.
DeleteA jury awarded him $9 million in damages, but the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington ruled that Krause and Davidson were entitled to judgment as a matter of law because Krause did not know, nor should she have known, that Spencer was innocent.
Writing for a unanimous three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit on Thursday, U.S. Circuit Judge Susan Graber said this reasoning misses the mark. To prevail on his claim, Spencer had to prove that Krause fabricated evidence and that the fabrication deprived him of his liberty.
“Krause’s investigative reports contained scores of quotations attributed to Kathryn and Matthew, both of whom unequivocally testified at trial that they had never made those statements,” Graber wrote. “Kathryn told Krause that no abuse had occurred.
Krause falsely reported, in quotations attributed to Kathryn, that Kathryn had made detailed, explicit statements of abuse.
Plaintiff testified that, due to the fabricated evidence, he entered an Alford plea, causing him to spend nearly two decades in prison.”
The investigator’s knowledge of the innocence of the accused is material in a case where the accused cannot offer direct evidence of fabrication, Graber wrote. In this case, though, Spencer offered precisely that.
Therefore, the panel reversed and remanded with instructions to reinstate the jury verdict.
Spencer was represented by Kathleen Zellner of Downers Grove, Illinois; Krause by Guy Bogdanovich with Law Lyman Daniel Kamerrer & Bogdanovich in Olympia.
Jeffrey Freimund with Freimund Jackson & Tardif in Olympia represented Davidson and declined to comment.
U.S. Circuit Judges Sandra Ikuta and Andrew Hurwitz joined Graber on the panel.
https://www.courthousenews.com/damages-due-20-years-prison-fabricated-evidence/
Jury awards $9 million to former local cop
DeleteClyde Ray Spencer verdict part of unlawful imprisonment case
February 2, 2014
Clyde Ray Spencer was awarded $9 million Monday by a federal jury that unanimously agreed a detective from the Clark County Sheriff’s Office violated Spencer’s constitutional right to due process by fabricating the evidence that put him behind bars for two decades for sexually abusing his two children and a stepson.
The $9 million award is the highest in Washington in a civil rights case, said Kathleen Zellner, Spencer’s attorney.
“Justice was served — even though it took 30 years,” Zellner said. “We were able to prove they framed him. We’ve proven the evidence was fabricated. And, after 30 years, that’s remarkable. Justice is alive and well in Washington.”
For Spencer, 66, and his family, the verdict brought incredible relief.
“It’s a good feeling that the criminal justice system finally got it right,” Spencer said moments after he heard the jury’s decision. “My name is finally cleared, and those who are responsible are going to have to face the ridicule I did.”
Clark County Prosecutor Tony Golik, who took office in January 2011, called the verdict “extremely troubling” on Monday.
“We need to look specifically at the facts of this, and the findings that the jury made,” Golik said. He said prosecutors will be researching other cases investigated by Sharon Krause. If they find cases similar to Spencer’s, they have a duty to notify defendants’ attorneys of the Spencer verdict.
Krause’s supervisor, Sgt. Mike Davidson, was also found liable by the jury. Krause and Davidson are both retired, but the county paid for their legal counsel.
Clark County Risk Manager Mark Wilsdon said he, Administrator Mark McCauley and county commissioners will have a conference call with Krause’s and Davidson’s attorneys on Wednesday in an executive session, which is closed to the public.
The county could appeal the verdict or argue it shouldn’t have to pay the award because Krause, by fabricating evidence, was acting outside the scope of her duties, Wilsdon said. They’ll also discuss asking Spencer to consider a smaller settlement in exchange for not appealing the verdict.
Last year, the county paid $5.25 million apiece to two men who spent 17 years in prison after being wrongly convicted of rape. The county took out a loan to pay the settlement after its insurance claim was rejected because the county didn’t have insurance in 1993, when the men were convicted.
Likewise, Wilsdon said insurance won’t cover any money paid in the Spencer case.
The jury heard testimony from 25 witnesses over 13 days in U.S. District Court in Tacoma, including Spencer’s son and daughter, Matt Spencer and Katie Spencer Tetz.
They each spent a grueling day and a half on the witness stand refuting the graphic sexual abuse allegations that Krause fabricated as part of investigative reports that sent Spencer to prison.
They also endured Guy Bogdanovich and Jeffrey Freimund, attorneys for Krause and Davidson, respectively, trying to blame them for Spencer’s wrongful conviction.
http://www.columbian.com/news/2014/feb/03/jury-awards-9-million-spencer/
Manitowoc County Connection to evidence against Avery (Repost since MAM removed) (self.StevenAveryCase)
ReplyDeleteby InHosName-Amen
RAV 4
Colborn calls in license plates on car before it's found
Car coincidentally found with license plates removed
Colborn and Kratz are not honest about this topic at trial
License Plates
Found on November 8th by volunteer searcher in open view, in back seat of station wagon north of the fence line, east of the Janda trailer.
Those cars including that station wagon searched by Manitowoc officers lenk and colborn and officer Tyson on November 7th.
License plates not found that day even though they were in open view and 3 officers passed and searched the car on November 7th.
Key
Found November 8th by Colborn and Lenk around 11am
Colborn lies at trial about how the key was found
Burned electronics
Found November 7th by Manitowoc officer Siders after 12pm
Burn pit
Found November 8th by Manitowoc Jost
Jost flags suspected bone approximately 8 feet south of the burn pit.
Bullet
Manitowoc Remiker pictured as bullet is found from as a result of a search warrant from Brendan's unreliable confession
Bullet found on top of Jack hammered concrete with no dust
Kuss road
Found November 7th around 10am by a group led by Manitowoc retiree officer Bushman and including Manitowoc Siders.
After this finding, the above evidence is recovered by Manitowoc County near the Avery residence, with the key being what set off Ken Kratz when he found out about Manitowoc County's involvement in the searches.
November 7th and 8th were big days for Manitowoc county and coincidentally this investigation against Steven Avery.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StevenAveryCase/comments/9bdkoc/manitowoc_county_connection_to_evidence_against/
I'd like to know what what TH was doing the 4 days that led up to her being declared missing? Why 4 days? I know people are busy and have there own lives to live, but this is confusing to say the least.
ReplyDelete[–]SBRH33[S]
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/17101164/01_jan_2002_leadership_murders_top/
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/25741217/01_jan_2002/
"Of course I'm dangerous. I'm police. I can do terrible things to people with impunity." ... Rusty Cohle
Mexico, meth ....Fisher Hamilton. ...There is meat on them bones.
"36 pounds of is a lot for the state of Wisconsin." Said Lt Mark Andersen of the Manitowoc Metro Drug Unit....
Dave Remiker. Metro Drug unit... Carmen Boutwell, The Hatchet man (Martinez).... I am having a Usual Suspects moment here. LOL!
"Authorities believe the drugs were imported from MEXICO to establish a large scale distribution ring."
Sheesh.
https://www.courthousenews.com/double-boondoggle-alleged-shadow-el-chapos-drug-cartel/
[–]7-pairs-of-panties
Mark Anderson??? Brendan says in a statement that Mark Anderson had been meeting w/ him for some reason. Do you recall where he said that? Maybe it was on the phone to his mother in recorded call. For some reason they have Mark Anderson conducting interviews w/ Brendan Dassey if I remember correctly.
[–]SBRH33[S]
Interesting catch.
Mark Andersen is Manny Metro Drug Unit... As was Dave Remiker who investigated Carmen Boutwell's... "timely death'
[–][deleted]
Pop that address into google earth and see what comes up.
Hmmm.....A dairy farm !
Now, what would a dairy farm and a large methamphetamine smuggling operation have in common?
[–]Eric_eats_a_Banana
Wasn't he former LE, also Jodi's landlord, who she owed a debt to. He calls Wiegert at some point. Zellner Chess on Twitter has some good info on him.
[–][deleted]
That IS a lot of meth, especially for around that area.
[–]OpenMind4U
Kocourek--->Petersen--->Hermann. LOL....the same triangle over and over again.
TH's real fathers untimely death... (self.TickTockManitowoc)
Deleteby localtruther
We know he died in the late 80's at a very young age like 30ish down in Florida….or did he? With all these seemingly CRAZY theories floating around about TH being a agent...blah blah blah I got to thinking....is it really THAT crazy?
I mean seriously....his BROTHER ends up marrying his widow and has more kids....? Something with that family is mysterious to me always has been since the trial.
Break it down little by little...could her father have been an agent that had to disappear as well? Are the trips that TH has taken (WHO GOES TO AUSTRALIA WHEN THEY ARE in their EARLY 20's!?) Was this a trip to see her father? She is a photographer yet no pictures of any of her travels!!!!
I'm beginning to wonder how big this actually is....the only question that remains is why? What was SOOOO big to have such a large operation for SA?
[–]OpenMind4U
In MaM2, there are MANY pictures of TH made in Australia, with TH on them....Please re-watch MaM2 again.
https://old.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/9tjtrp/ths_real_fathers_untimely_death/
[–]lilypadbitch
Such a staged scene...
Things like JP saying "this was the worst crime scene he's seen in his career of service" WTF
Staged from the get go... TH was sent to ASY - Act 1
[–]Booty_Grazer
DeleteThis is my number one theory...I'll be shocked if it turns to my second choice dead. The puzzle fits nice and neat alive where dead In my mind to many things can't fit right.
[–]lilypadbitch
Yeah, I think this was a GK set up from the day SA was exonerated. He had this planned way ahead, sought who they needed to execute it and even set up his own death. His obit sounds like he wrote it from the grave laughing praising himself for all his talents and accomplishments - not dead. Yeah right - went to kiss the blarney stone. Bunch of blarney if you ask me, just part of the cover-up. He had the special training to do it and connections. And the Ego.
[–]lilypadbitch
DeleteDig into the GK aka "The Pencil" BS. They had to get him out of the picture cause he would spill the beans, he would want the credit. Look at his Obit - he is so full of himself. They shuffled him out of the picture. Follow his trail and there you will find the plan, purpose and people needed to be involved in the Play he created and acted out. - Where's the evidence? Oh, it's there and they know it.
[–]KaizenKZ
Ok, you just said to look at his Obit & he's so full of himself. Think about that fir a minute please.
[–]Kayki7
Lol I thought the same thing ...... He didn't write his own Obit lol
[–]lilypadbitch
He signs off at the end of the obit - Maybe he pre wrote it before he took himself out. The guy has connections to help him set up his own death. I think this was planned also to take him out.
[–]lilypadbitch
Thinking... This old post says it all -
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/4ue9oc/lengthy_obituary_of_the_pencil_reveals_he_was/
[–]KaizenKZ
You make it sound like he wrote his own Obit and was bragging. Lol
[–]lilypadbitch
Did you read it - It does sound like he wrote it.
His death is suspicious and the way he was found seems staged. It's not like it doesn't happen. Who's going to find out in a small WI town.
Sounds just like they way he would have gone out - under his own masquerade and set up to look like he's gone because he wasn't going to go down in framing SA. He had the motive, the means, connections and the special training to set it up. One of his favorite things to do was acting out scenes. He was cremated - No body. Didn't settle his estate for years. Seems weird he dies the day before SA trial starts - Really?
[–]Booty_Grazer
Not much I don’t know about this dude.
[–]lilypadbitch
I'd be surprised if he's not in the center ring of this. Such an egotistical clown. Ugh, I cant stand him!
[–]Kayki7
DeleteI'll even go so far as to say the 85 case was a set up as well...... After doing some digging, there wasn't even a rape that took place...... Just an assault. Yet, they charged him with rape among other things....... If you think about it, the 85 case was too convienent too, given the whole incident of SA running cousin off the road...... The TH case was probably dreamt up before SA even got exonerated of the 85 case.... Once the state realized SA was going to get out, that he had solid proof he was innocent (DNA evidence became a thing) I think the state went to work straight away concocting a second plan to frame him and make sure he lands back in jail. SA didn't have a prayer.
[–]FlowerInMirror
I am still #1 believer. The more other alternatives are provided/discussed the more I believe in the #1.
Two reasons:
Accidental death - doesn't explain WELL why the phone went dead after ASY
Killed by LE - doesn't explain WELL why the H family actively involved in getting SA
Note I know there's explanations but I am looking for something more natural/logical/convincing.
Your #1 of a planned disappearance explains well of both these two.
[–]Booty_Grazer
Then the #2 is timing, which only one posted mentioned it in 3200 viewings "timing" way to much coincidence with everything else involved.
[–]FlowerInMirror
Your #2 gets less downvoting :)
Cause her being alive is too unfathomable and sounds too outlandish
[–]momof4boys82
One theory I have definitely tossed around is her actually being undercover. Maybe she was an agent of some kind from GB. Her college degrees and whatnot could've been made up and TP couldve known or maybe not. So with the rest of the theory I think if this were the case the bones are the girl that overdosed, cant think of her name. Thats why they are so charred. Another reason this could make sense is the job at AT. Their relationship seems weird and the whole thing does really. I think a lot of things make sense this way.
[–]Thesnakesate
Could be. This case is not reality based, they did some funky chit.
[–]FlowerInMirror
Sounds outlandish to many people but there's really nothing that disapproved it.
The most argument is " I don't think she would willingly let innocent people go to jail because she seemed to be a nice person". But that's not proof it's speculation. Truth is none of us really knows what she would or would not do.
[–]Kayki7
Or an undercover journalist....... Fits with her degree very nicely.
[–]lilypadbitch
I think she was hired for the job.
[–]Kayki7
I 100% believe that as well. Now, if they will be able to prove that, is a whole other story. If KZ finds TH (if that's even her real name) I'll be extremely impressed!
https://old.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/89pte1/an_alternative_theory_to_whether_th_is_still/
[–]Theodore_Shackley[S]
DeleteYou'll note that Victor Tadych and Fred Radandt - in addition to serving alongside one another on the founding board of the Manitowoc County Bank - were both members of the Knights of Columbus Council No. 710.
The Knights of Columbus is a fraternal group founded by the Catholic Church and modeled after Freemasonry. In Catholic regions, the Knights are well-represented in city government, law enforcement, and the courts.
Members of this fraternity included Teresa Halbach's father and grandfather, whose name (on the family tombstone) bears the group's insignia.
From her father's obituary:
He was a lifelong resident of the Hilbert-St. John area and a member of St. John the Baptist Catholic Church, the Holy Name Society and the Tri-Parish Council of the Knights of Columbus.
Other members of the Halbach, Radandt, Tadych and Zipperer families are involved with the group, as is the family of Judge Jerome Fox.
Judge Fox's father (according to his obituary) was "a past grand knight of the Knights of Columbus." The "grand knight" is the head of a local chapter.
Among the (many) influential Knights of Columbus is Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito.
Richard Urban Halbach
BIRTH 23 Aug 1956
Wisconsin, USA
DEATH 7 Apr 1988 (aged 31)
Brevard County, Florida, USA
BURIAL
Saint John Catholic Cemetery
Saint John, Calumet County, Wisconsin, USA
MEMORIAL ID 156826464 · View Source
MEMORIAL
PHOTOS 1
FLOWERS 10
Husband of Karen Marie Sekorski. Father of Teresa M. Halbach (1980 - 2005.)
OBITUARY -
Age 31, died Thursday, April 7, 1988, in Titusville, Fla., while on vacation. He was born Aug. 23, 1956, in Kaukauna, the son of Syril and the late Regina (Jackals) Halbach. He had attended St. John Grade School and Hilbert High School, graduating in 1974. He was married July 29, 1978, at Sacred Heart Catholic Church in Sherwood to Karen Sekorski. The couple resided in rural Hilbert where he had farmed in the town of Woodville with his brother Tom. He was a lifelong resident of the Hilbert-St. John area and a member of the St. John The Baptist Catholic Church, the Holy Name Society, and the Tri-Parish Council of the Knights of Columbus. Survivors include his wife Karen; his father Syril Halbach, Hilbert; a daughter, Teresa, and two sons, Tim and Michael, all at home; two sisters and brothers-in-law, Mrs. Jeff (Betty) Weber, Brillion, and Mrs. Steve (Mary) Lemberger of Hilbert; six brothers and five sisters-in-law, Nick and Carol, Dennis and Gloria, Ron and Nancy, Gary and Cathy, Dave and Barb, and Tom, all of Hilbert; his father and mother-in-law Daniel and Dorothy Sekorski, Sherwood; four sister-in-law and several nieces and nephews. He is preceded in death by his mother and a brother, John. Services are scheduled for 11 a.m. Monday, April 11, at St. John the Baptist Catholic Church in St. John, the Rev. Frozena officiating. Burial will be in the parish cemetery.
Created by: miss j foy
Added: 7 Jan 2016
Find A Grave Memorial 156826464
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/17711824/30_may_1995_cyril_halbach_obituary/
[–]Kayki7
DeleteI’ve wondered if their strategy is to point the finger at anyone they possibly can at this point, and yes that means BoD. At least the department isn’t being accused of murder, and in their minds, they’d of gotten it “almost” right..... as in, yes avery is innocent, but it was Bobby, who lived on the same property and is related to Steven.... so they weren’t “too” far off . Just an idea. Someone the other day mentioned that LE are probably glad that everyone is pointing fingers and looking at bobby right now, because that means that we are not looking at them, and it really made a lot of sense
[–]Theodore_Shackley[S]
I share your suspicions. It's distinctly possible he was tangentially involved in the commission of the murder - a support role in a larger operation.
It's my theory is that he and Tadych were involved in surveillance of Avery - initiated by police (hypothetically) following the $36 million lawsuit.
Bobby Dassey told CASO (p. 32) that Avery would lie to "stab ya in the back" and indicated that he had done this to him in the past. On 3-19-2007, the day after Avery's conviction, Tadych said: “What happened yesterday is the best thing in the world,” adding, “He got what he got comin’ to him.”
Tadych's family is part of the local "elite."
From the obituary of Victor A. Tadych:
He was a Third Degree member of the Knights of Columbus Council 710, and was one of the original board of directors of the Manitowoc County Bank. Victor was a member of the St. Mary’s Yong Men’s Club, and a charter member of the Holy Innocents Men’s Choir.
...
Survivors include: a daughter and son-in-law, Pat and Bob Nelson, Manitowoc; four sons and three daughters-in-law, Jim and Pat Tadych ...
https://www.shawanoleader.com/content/victor-tadych-0
From Scott Tadych's listing on Intelius:
Scott A Tadych , age 47 Has lived inManitowoc, WI Mishicot, WI Two Rivers, WI
[Relatives:]
Barbara Tadych
William Tadych
Shaun Tadych
Richard Tadych
Violet Tadych
Patricia Tadych
James Tadych
Judy Tadych
Barbara Rusboldt
Another of the co-founders of the Manitowoc County Bank was Fred Radandt (grandfather of Josh Radandt), who served alongside Victor Tadych on its original board.
From the obituary of Fred Radandt:
Besides being executive officer of the concrete block manufacturing firm, he was also president of the River Heights Estates Inc., secretary-treasurer of the Sheboygan Sand and Gravel Inc., vice president of Manitowoc Disposal and a partner in the Radandt Development Co. He was also a member of the Wisconsin Concrete Products Assn. And the National Concrete Masonry Assn. Currently he was treasurer of the Master Builders Association of Manitowoc County, a member of the Elks Lodge No. 786, the Knights of Columbus Council No. 710 and the Izaak Walton League. He had been president of the Manitowoc Lions Club in 1952 and director of the Manitowoc County Bank.
https://www.2manitowoc.com/43Qobit.html
Scott Tadych and his brother (William Tadych) had previously been represented by Mark Rohrer, who was part of Fox's private law firm (Winter, Fox & Stangl and renamed Olson Winter & Fox).
Rohrer was later District Attorney of Manitowoc County (2003-2013) at the time of the Halbach Case. It was he who brought the Calumet County D.A. (Kratz) into the case.
Rohrer had also been deposed in Avery's lawsuit little more than a month earlier. He appeared extremely nervous.
I predict that if the convictions are vacated they'll try to blame most if not all of the planting on Dassey and Tadych, as well. There were several of us who predicted that 'backup' patsies had been set up in advance. Dassey's predilections made him ideal - both as a (controlled) state witness and as a potential fall guy. [Theodore_Shackley]
https://redd.it/9tud15
https://old.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/9tud15/is_manitowoc_county_running_a_disinformation/
Manitowoc suicides reach all-time high
ReplyDeleteSarah Kloepping, USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin Published 4:15 p.m. CT Sept. 18, 2015 | Updated 6:56 p.m. CT Sept. 18, 2015
The number of suicides in the county surpassed the previous record
The suicide rate in Manitowoc County is the highest it has been in decades.
“It’s the worst type of death I believe a family will ever deal with,” Manitowoc County Coroner Curtis Green said. “Unfortunately, families look at what they could have done to stop this. That guilt never goes away.”
Seventeen suicides have occurred in Manitowoc County so far in 2015. Fifteen suicides were reported for the entire year in 2014.
“We are well over the state average,” Green said. “In fact, the average for our area should be just about 10. Since we’re at 17 for this year, we’re almost double.”
Causes of death for an additional seven incidents that could later be deemed suicide are pending autopsy results.
Records spanning back through 1979 in the Manitowoc County Coroner’s Office indicate 17 suicides aren’t just a high in the last few years; it’s the highest total in all of those years with 15 in 2007, 2010, 2013 and 2014 being the next highest.
“That number going way back when should be pretty accurate,” Green said. “They did things a little different with toxicology back then. Now we test for 180 different substances. Way back then, they tested for five or six. But overall, I think it was fairly accurate.”
When a suicide occurs in Manitowoc County, data is recorded about the victim, such as if he or she was in a depressed mood, if they had ever been treated for mental illness, if they had physical health problems or issues with money, school, work or relationships.
CONTINUED...
Increased substance abuse
DeleteOne piece of data Green said is becoming more prevalent with suicide victims is a history of substance abuse.
People who may be taking prescribed pain medication become addicted, and when the dosage ends they feel lost. Oftentimes addicts who decide to take their own lives have pre-existing mental health issues.
“The portion of suicides that are increasing due to drug addiction, to me, that has potential to be preventable,” Green said. “What I’ve seen in some persons who have completed the act of suicide, they don’t go steal or rob or burglarize for money to buy drugs, they simply run out of options to get them legitimately and when that happens, suicide, in my opinion, for that person becomes a more attractive alternative.
“Many of these people are on the opioids legitimately, but there is no plan to get them off. I’ve seen people with very minor pain issues on massive doses of opioid pain killers, and I’m talking 1,000 pills a month, which is an incredible amount. They’re getting pretty desperate at the end of the time period when they need new drugs.”
In May, a man led Manitowoc police officers on a high-speed chase through the city after he tried to force his way into the home of a family member while holding a gun. Police followed the man, who was in his 20s, to Newton, where he stopped his car in the middle of the roadway, exited and killed himself with a single shot.
Answering, ‘Why?’
“He was addicted to drugs, couldn’t get his drugs, ran out of options, led police on a high-speed chase and shot himself out in front of the officers out there,” Green said. “The desperation that’s going on there...”
Green can’t fully understand what a person who committed suicide was battling internally, but he sees the lasting impact on families.
And as a survivor of suicide himself — his brother and grandfather committed suicide — he knows how important answering the “why” question is.
“When my family found out information about what was happening with my brother, it kind of gave us a little bit of closure,” he said. “It opened up a whole new set of circumstances that we could process as survivors and say if I had known this, I would have done something as opposed to, in my brother’s case, going years wondering why couldn’t I help?”
Green tries to find those answers for families of suicide victims by interviewing friends and checking phones and computers. Because while one person might know about a victim’s struggles at work, another person might know about struggles with a relationship.
Putting those pieces together in hindsight may shine a light on how much the victim was suffering.
“It’s that survivor’s guilt that is very difficult for family members and loved ones to deal with,” Green said. “Any little bit of information we can get for mom, dad, brother, sister or child … on what they weren’t aware of, to me, that kind of broadens the picture of what was going on in that person’s life.”
Find out first hand
DeleteManitowoc resident Sherie Wagner understands the need to find answers first hand. Her 20-year-old son committed suicide in 2009.
“He was an incredible student and person. He had a gentle, caring soul,” she said. “When he was in college ... his depression hit him pretty hard. But I didn’t know he was depressed. I learned a lot more about my son after he passed away.”
Wagner said her son, who was at school in North Carolina, contacted her and tried to tell her in his own way that he was in a dark place.
“I’m one of those parents that I did not know the signs,” she said. “It just became harder and harder for him to cope with life.
“The first month (after his death), I felt like I was in a total fog. I would say it took me a good year even to get out of it because it’s such a great loss. It just doesn’t make sense and you start questioning yourself, your conversations, your last words. What if, what if, what if.”
Wagner began attending a support group in Sheboygan, where she was living at the time.
Looking for signs
“It’s a death that’s very hard to accept. There is no preparation for losing a child that way,” she said. “By having that support group, they were wonderful, because they all got it. That was really a lifesaver for me.”
She now serves on the board for Prevent Suicide Manitowoc to help others cope with their loss and hopefully make people aware of what signs to look for to save a loved one.
“Sometimes the person who’s suicidal is in such a deep, dark hole, they’re not able (to seek help). That’s why we have to be so aware and reach out, and we need to take action for them,” Wagner said. “It’s very, very difficult losing someone through suicide. I don’t want other families to have to go through this journey.”
Reach Sarah Kloepping at 920-686-2105 or skloepping@htrnews.com
Prevent Suicide Run/Walk
The fourth annual Prevent Suicide 5k Run/Walk for Hope is scheduled to begin at 9 a.m. Sunday, Sept. 20 in Manitowoc’s Lincoln Park near Cabin 1.
Registration begins at 7:30 a.m.
Other events include a silent auction, information booths, music, memory beads, and an arch of hope where photos of loved ones who died from suicide can be shared.
For more information, visit www.preventsuicidemanitowoc.com.
https://www.htrnews.com/story/news/local/2015/09/18/manitowoc-suicides/72421858/
Who is Mark Anderson?
ReplyDelete[–]alanamb37
I RECIEVED THIS EMAIL. IF YOU WANT THE NUMBER CONTACT ME
I'm writing about the corruption in Manitowoc County, it is somewhat related to the Steven Avery/Brenden Dassey case on Netflix. The day before Christmas (this year) I called the Manitowoc Sheriffs office to report that Kay Kocourek had told me that Tom Kocourek, her brother and the ex sheriff here in our county, ran over and killed Ricky Hockstettler in 1999. I also told them that I was told that the vehicle was repaired at Pietroske s dealership and that I was told a man named Nick did the bodywork. I made it clear that I didn't know if the allegations were true or not but that this needed to be investigated. They told me they would make an apt for me to come in for a taped/filmed statement. Within an hour detective Dan Weyker (920-683-5011) called me up and said that WE have already investigated everything and and that I wouldn't need to come to the station. I've been targeted by this police organization ever since I got involved in Joe Dheins case. He was getting railroaded by the counties metro police division. He came to the tavern I was bartending at while attending the University of WI. Manitowoc campus. He told me some details and I asked if I could help. I set him up with an attorney Russel Stewart, the Ballesteros (sp?) bros lawyer in Milwaukee. At the trial the person that metro used as a witness stated that he was drunk when the metro unit picked him up and that his statements were false and that the police coerced and made him file a false witness statement. The case was dismissed. When Joe first approached me at the bar he stated that he was being targeted by metro because he knew that Mark Anderson, head of metro at the time, had sexually abused Donnie Heins nephew (a friend of Joe). Kay was afraid to file a statement herself because she was abused in the Kocourek home's basement growing up and forced to perform felatio on her brother Gary. Kay has since passed, so it would seem that these allegations or statements can't be verified, but Kay's sister Sal is still alive and these same incestual practices were done to her. Robert Schmidt (920 860 1167), Kay's husband at the time of her death informed me that Kay and Sal went to her parents but were told that this didn't happen in a Kocourek household. He was also told the stories by Kay about her going to talk with brother Tom about the accident. Jeff Thompson (920 860 1124) was also told. I told Charlie Blish (920 973 6233) everything I knew over a lot of phone calls. I did this because he owned BD communications and did a lot of wiring for the county Sheriff's dept. I wanted them to know that I knew things and that if they quit targeting me, my family, and my friends that I would just shut up. I need to know where and how to make my statements. I also know and have talked to the German woman in this blog http://www.convolutedbrian.com/an-alternative.html and have talked to Dave Begotka from this you tube video:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/je35gOEL5wQ?autoplay=1
We need advice up here and we need to know who to report this info too. Please help my number is..
Steven W. Grimm, age 59, a Manitowoc resident, entered eternal life on Friday, July 1, 2016 at his residence. His death was almost a year after the comments about Tom Kocourek on Reddit.
https://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2016/05/tom-kocoureks-revenge-retired-sheriff.html
Saw this in the FB group, and WOW
DeleteBy hos_gotta_eat_too, TickTockManitowoc
March 20, 2017
Check what evidence items #9595 and #9596 are and confirm here? (I can't access CASO here) and were received by Hawkins.
Someone verify if what is posted in FB group on his May 25th, 2006 report is legit.
Why would someone have these 2 items together to give to Hawkins, and how frigging obvious is that???
[–]hos_gotta_eat_too[S]
and guess who transported the items from the crime lab to Hawkins?
Baldwin
Edit: checking garage login/logout's to see if Baldwin was involved in the search on 3/1
edit2: Sure enough...Baldwin was at Avery's on 3/1. Her and Steier arrived at 5:40pm.
edit3: Also, Baldwin was assigned to watch Steven's burn barrel, when Siders turned it over to her on 11/07
Steier interviewed Lenk and Colborn
Baldwin interviewed the guy (Raduenz) claiming Avery's blood was smuggled out
[–]Redditidiot1
I once separated the audio when they walk out of the room while interviewing Brendan and you can hear their voices outside talking and then they come back in and ask Brendan if he wants something to drink. It was my opinion that the audio mentioned the words "fire" and field (tests). (ETA: I see now it was "fire" and "field" from glenfield.) I felt it had something to do with the bullet. Perhaps my imagination.
I sent the separated audio to KZ. A poster came on and commented that he was a prior FBI agent and there would never be anything damaging said outside of an interrogation room and I replied "well audio outside of the door of agents talking is definitely on the tape." That 22 was driven to the scene. ;)
eta: I also thought they were talking to "mark Anderson" but I now realize that can sound a little like "Jeremy Hawkins" but maybe confirmation bias...
Baldwin and Steier arrived early in the morning on 3/2.
Remiker finds the bullet at about 8 in the morning, and turns it over to...guess who...Steier.
Steier is also the deputy that took Radandt's statement on 11/05/05 where this is the first mention of a fire.
Steier is the deputy that luminoled the floor of Avery's garage (it was videotaped by Jacobs??)
[–]foghaze
I'm not surprised. Hawkins transported all the swabs from the RAV and Avery's Grand Am to the crime lab at the same time to have Sherry look at them to see what had DNA on it and what didn't, for the "defense".
Also the day Avery's Grand Am was given back to Chuck, Charles Hawkins swabbed the RAV hood latch. Literally right after releasing the car! It's in the same report.
http://i.imgur.com/QFtyuoP.png
I know it says Grand Prix but it's the Grand Am, it's a typo. If you search the Property tag you will see it's his Grand Am. They didn't confiscate a Grand Prix.
[–]foghaze
Is that why KZ says.. the planting didn't happen how the defense thought it happened? Maybe she does know how this all went down.
I think she means they didn't use the blood vial to plant in the RAV originally. I firmly belive she knows they swapped swabs out which is why no EDTA showed up in the FBI report. I've sent this to her a million times. She has to know..
[–]foghaze
Fog do you think the blood swabs were "swapped" immediately after they were taken from both vehicles or in the run up to EDTA test?
I think they had it planned out well ahead of time that they were going to swap the swabs from the Grand Am with the RAV just in case the defense asked for it. Just like the report states they had them "checked" for the defense.
After being interviewed on a Green Bay TV station about the case in 2004, Ricky’s mother, Debi Hochstetler, received an anonymous phone call from a woman who told her that Ricky was killed by a police officer named Hermann and the vehicle which struck him was crushed at the Hermann family’s salvage yard. In addition to Lt. Robert Hermann, his brother, Todd Hermann, was a sergeant with the Manitowoc County Sheriff’s Department
ReplyDeleteDebi spoke with the detective assigned to Ricky’s case, James Lenk (of “Making a Murderer” fame), and suggested seeking assistance from the Wisconsin Division of Criminal Investigation (the DCI). Lenk claimed he had already tried to contact the DCI and was told they did not help local police agencies investigate vehicular homicides. When Debi contacted the DCI on her own, she learned this was not true and there was no record of Lenk ever having spoken to them
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/b6495b/the_1999_hitandrun_death_of_ricky_hochstetler/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=TickTockManitowoc&utm_content=t3_ba4zbf