Avery's Neighbor Saw a Green/Blue RAV4 Accompanied by a White Jeep Before Pam Sturm Found It in the Salvage Yard

So this is what I think they did... They were lying in wait in the back of the Avery Auto Salvage, waiting for Steven Avery to leave, and once he left with his mother and nephew, Bryan Dassey, for Crivitz around 6 AM on 11/5, the Motley crew moved in heavy, with everything they needed, including towing capabilities, to move these cars around, just so they could place Teresa Halbach's RAV4, cover it up with all that stuff, and set the stage. All of this was done before Earl Avery, the only Avery sibling who didn't live on the property, even arrived (Chuck Avery had left for Crivitz with Brendan around 8 PM on 11/4; Allan Avery had left on 11/3). Meanwhile, back at Teresa's farmhouse, Ryan Hillegas, LE, and specifically Pam Sturm, are going over the next phase, getting ready for the FIND. You can definitely see bushes or trees on 11/4, and then two cars take their place on 11/5. The blob behind the white SUV/station wagon was definitely replaced. They sped up the playback of the 11/4 flyover video when they made the edited copy: not only are segments missing, it's intentionally sped up to create the crazy footage we see. [Reddit Comments]

Dispatch Call at 26:37: Vicky Siebert, Calling for Her Father, Who is Reporting Activity at the Back Quarry Entrance


What Steven Avery’s former neighbour witnessed
By Jeff Klassen
April 28, 2016

Steven Avery’s former neighbor said he saw things around the time of Teresa Halbach’s murder that raise a lot of questions – and no one has asked him about it before.

The recent Netflix documentary series Making a Murderer has made international headlines and raised many questions surrounding the 2005 murder of Teresa Halbach’s in Manitowoc County, Wisconsin and the subsequent trial that convicted Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey in crimes related to murder.

Wilmer Seibert in his backyard. Seibert said he thinks he may have seen Teresa Halbach’s Toyota Rav4 driving into the back of Avery’s Auto Salvage via a back quarry road days before a volunteer search party found it abandoned with blood on it in 2005.

One of the key pieces of evidence in the case was Halbach’s blue/green Toyota Rav4 discovered by a volunteer search party in the rear area of Avery Auto Salvage on November 5^th, 2005.

On the southeast side of the Avery Auto Salvage, off Jambo Creek road directly beside the entrance to the quarry behind the yard, lives Wilmer Seibert, a man in his 70s who considers himself friends with the Averys.

Seibert said he saw what he thinks might be Teresa Halbach’s Toyota Rav4 accompanied by another vehicle, a mysterious white Jeep, “days” before the search party found the Rav4 on the salvage yard.

Seibert said he was just hanging out in his backyard one day when he saw the Rav4 speeding quickly down the backroad that leads into the quarry behind the Avery Auto Salvage, and directly behind it was the white Jeep.

About half an hour later only the Jeep returned he said.

A screenshot showing Seibert’s Jambo Creek Rd. property in relation to the quarry road and Avery’s Auto Salvage.

“It was a white Jeep, just a smaller Jeep, and it looked liked the paint was peeling off the hood. You could see like an undercoating on the hood. The Jeep was what I saw come back out but I didn’t see the (the Rav4 come out),” said Seibert.

Siebert cannot precisely remember the day or time he saw the vehicle because of how long ago it was now, but he estimates he saw the vehicles “less than a week,” perhaps “a couple days or three days,” before it was discovered by the search party.

Seibert said vehicles regularly travel down the quarry road but he noticed these two particular vehicles because they were driving faster than usual.

“They must have been going about 40 miles an hour,” said Seibert.

Seibert could not tell who or how many people were in either vehicle.

“Shortly after (the incident he witnesses) the lady found the car back there,” said Seibert referring to the vehicle’s discovery by Pamela Sturm as she participated in a volunteer search party.

Seibert stands on the edge of his property and by the road where he said he thinks he saw Teresa Halbach’s Rav4 days beforea volunteer search party did in 2005.

Seibert said he cannot be 100 percent certain it was Halbach’s Rav4 but, because it was the same green/blue color, and because he rarely saw Rav4s, he’s pretty sure it was.

Seibert said he’s been buying parts from Avery Auto Salvage since before he moved to the home in the 1970, he also raised questions about how the search parties could have found the vehicle so quickly.

“I don’t know how (the search party) could find that car that quick because I needed a gas tank for a truck (once) and they gave me the row (that it was in) and what kind of truck it was and I didn’t find that truck in that short of a time,” said Seibert.

Chuck Avery, who is also Steven Avery’s brother, has owned the salvage yard since the 1990s, and he confirmed that at the time of Teresa Halbach’s murder the back of the Avery lot could be accessed from the quarry road, but since that time the rear entrance has been blocked.

Seibert said he was not questioned by police or lawyers except for when an FBI agent came to his door shortly after Halbach went missing and showed him a picture of Halbach and asked if he knew her, which he didn’t.

Seibert is a quiet family man and he said that because no one asked him directly about it at the time he never thought to tell anyone.

“I really didn’t want to get involved. I didn’t know for sure what was going on and how this was going to be handled,” said Seibert.

Seibert said he is not looking for attention and he is only speaking about it now because Netflix documentary made him ask questions.

Another view of the entrance to the quarry road. Seibert’s property is to the right starting at the fence.

Seibert said during the investigation of Halbach’s murder the police barricaded the quarry road entrance, about 50 feet from his back steps, and blocked the same section of road that he had observed the Rav4 and Jeep earlier.

“He said if anyone moves those barricades give me a call, but he never gave me a number. How would I get ahold of him?” said Seibert.

One evening Siebert said he witnessed Manitowoc County Sherriff’s Department vehicles driving past the barricade and then going through the Avery property with lights late into the night.

He said he wanted to report that someone had crossed the barrier but he didn’t know who to call, so he told his daughter, Victoria Seibert, to call the local police who then told her that there was nothing to worry about.

His daughter confirmed this.

Wilmer Seibert said the next day it was announced on television that they had found Teresa Halbach’s keys on the property but doesn’t make any claims to what that might mean.

Seibert actually likes the Averys and considers them friends.

He said since buying his house and raising nine children neither him nor anyone from his family, that he knows of, has ever had a bad dealing with any of the Avery family.

Seibert had even been on fishing trips with Allen Avery, Steven’s father.

“I can’t really find no fault with them because I never had any trouble with them. I always thought they were good people. They treated me fair at least,” he said.

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Google Maps captured an image in September 2009 of a 1999 Isuzu Rodeo in Andy Colborn's driveway. In 2005, in was not uncommon for Wisconsinites to refer to SUVs as "jeeps" or "trucks."

Critics of Siebert's statements have pointed out that the 'white Jeep' might, in fact, have been a light silver Suzuki owned by the Averys. On Reddit, where Avery's guilt or innocence continues to be a hot topic, people have parsed how likely it would be to confuse a Suzuki for a Jeep, and whether, in certain lighting, silver could be perceived as white." [Rolling Stone, July 8, 2016]

However, in October/November of 2005, Avery's gray Suzuki was parked in his garage and could not be driven because the clutch was out.









Robert Fabian was interviewed by detectives about seeing Steven Avery on October 31st, 2005 between 4:00 and 5:00 p.m. He and Earl Avery both lied (Earl’s wife is friends with Andy Colborn’s wife). Fabian wasn't at the Avery property with Earl on October 31st; he was there on Wednesday, November 2nd (CASO file, page 208 and page 237). At the pre-trial hearing (page 172), Earl said it was Wednesday or Thursday, not Monday, October 31st, when he and Fabian went rabbit hunting at the Avery property (Fabian and Earl's statements given to detectives in November 2005 were coerced and not truthful).

In November 2005, Fabian told detectives that on October 31st he saw Steven at his black truck, parked just outside his garage, unloading a snowmobile from a trailer hooked up to his truck. Fabian was supposed to testify that he saw the Suzuki outside the garage. The following is part of Fabian's testimony at Avery's trial.

Robert Fabian: Yes, I believe there was a snowmobile trailer hooked up to the truck. And I don't believe the garage doors were open. And I don't remember the van sitting there.

Ken Kratz: All right. Let's talk about each of those things individually.

Well he doesn't. He only talks about the garage door and burn barrel.

During closing arguments, Kratz says the following to the jury:

Ken Kratz: Mr. Fabian also tells you, at that time, just before dark, he places that just before dark, when the rabbit hunt was just about completed, that Mr. Avery's garage was closed. He couldn't see what was inside of the garage. There isn't any SUV any more. There is nothing to be seen. The garage is closed, but the Suzuki and the snowmobile are on the side of the garage. All right.

This was crucial, because if the Suzuki was not outside then the RAV4 could not possibly be in the garage.

Kratz lied to the jury.

From one of the images below (from Avery's trial), you can see that Steven had unloaded the snowmobile and put it inside the garage. This would have been around 5:00 p.m. on October 31st (or he could have put the snowmobile beside the garage and moved it inside later). The Suzuki was not outside the garage in any photos of Avery's property because it was inside the garage, where Steven had been working on it. The is no evidence to suggest the RAV4 was ever in the garage. The two tire prints below the Suzuki strongly suggests it never was. If the Suzuki was outside the garage, it was because there was a Monte Carlo inside the garage that Steven was working on.