Blaine Dassey Testified to the Opposite of What He Told Investigators on November 7th and 11th

Had Scott, Barb, Blaine and Bobby, pictured above as the guilty verdict was read at Brendan's trial, told the truth in their statements and testimonies (better yet, had they consulted an attorney and invoked their Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination), Brendan, and perhaps Steven, would not have gone to prison for crimes against Teresa Halbach.

"Mr. Kratz is well-aware that other individuals lied about their contacts with Ms. Halbach on 10/31". - Kathleen Zellner's statement to Dateline, February 2017

On November 5, 2005, when police took control of the Avery property, Blaine and Brendan Dassey's bus driver told police that at 3:40 p.m. on October 31st, when she dropped off the brothers, she saw a woman taking pictures of a van parked at the intersection of Avery Road and the shared driveway leading to the homes of Barb Janda and Steven Avery.

Also on November 5th, DCI agent Kim Skorlinski contacted Barb Janda, who agreed to bring Blaine to the Cedar Ridge Restaurant in Maribel so that they could "ask him a few questions that had to be clarified" (CASO page 282). At 5:00 p.m., CASO deputy Wendy Baldwin and DCI agent Skorlinski "made contact with Blaine." Skorlinski wrote a report on their contact with Blaine; however, this report was not entered into evidence at Avery's trial.

The following map of the property must have been drawn by Blaine during his interview on November 5th, although it was included in the DCI report of his second interview on November 7th, and the date of the map was changed.





During cross examination at Avery's trial, Strang asked Blaine about the interrogation at Cedar Ridge Restaurant (page 103), but Strang misrepresented this meeting as having taken place on November 15th:

Q.   The Cedar Ridge Restaurant?
A.   Yes. 
Q.   Over in Maribel, near you?
A.   Yes.
Q.   Okay.  Was your mom there for that?
A.   Yes.
Q.   Just you and your mom?
A.   Yup. 
Q.   And then a couple of officers or agents?
A.   Yes.
Q.   And did you guys sit across the table from the agents, in the restaurant?
A.   Yes.
Q.   Did there come a time in that discussion between you and your mom and the agents, when the agents sort of got in your face a little bit?
A.   Yes.
Q.   What were they doing to get in your face?
A.   They were arguing.
Q.   They were arguing?
A.   Yes.
Q.   They raised their voices?
A.   Yes. 
Q.   They got angry?
A.   Yes.
Q.   They accused you guys of not accepting that Steve was guilty, didn't they?
A.   Yes.
Q.   They accused you of embarrassing yourselves by believing in your uncle, didn't they?
A.   Yes.
Q.   They tried to convince you that Steven Avery was guilty, didn't they?
A.   Yes.
Q.   And they got loud about it, at the restaurant?
A.   Yes.
Q.   And then they stomped off and left you there, when you wouldn't turn on your uncle, didn't they?
A.   Yes.
Q.   And that was back in November 15 of 2005.
A.   Yes.

ATTORNEY STRANG: That's all I have.

Two days later, on November 7, 2005, at 10:11 a.m., Agents Debra Strauss and Lisa Wilson of Wisconsin DOJ, Division of Criminal Investigation, interviewed Blaine Dassey at the home of his boss, Michael Kornely, where he had been staying since November 4th (trial exhibit 355).

On November 7th, Blaine told the DCI agents Strauss and Wilson that he did not see anyone or any vehicle that did not normally belong in the driveway when he and Brendan got off the bus and together walked directly to their house on October 31st. He explained that a red and black Blazer and a Monte Carlo/Grand Prix were parked at the mailboxes, where the school bus driver picks them up and drops them off. He said he did not see Steven Avery when he got off the bus. He said that Bobby was sleeping in his bedroom when they got home, and that them coming home woke Bobby up.

Blaine said he listened to the message that Teresa Halbach left on their answering machine. He recalled her saying that she would be at their residence to take pictures between 1:00 and 2:00 p.m., and he recalled that she left a callback number to reschedule if necessary. Blaine said that Barb had placed ads in AutoTrader in the past, the most recent being for a black Lincoln.

Blaine said he was picked up by a friend's mother at 5:20 p.m. to go trick-or-treating and that he returned at approximately 9:30 p.m. He said when he got home, Barbara, Bobby and Brendan were inside and awake. He said he went to bed shortly after he got home, sometime between 9:30 and 10:00 p.m. He said he didn't recall anything unusual happening that evening after he went to bed.

Blaine said he didn't recall anyone using the burn barrels that day. He said that the last time he recalled anyone using the burn barrels was Thursday, November 3rd.

When asked if there were any bonfires the week of October 31st, Blaine said there weren't any.

The DCI agents asked Blaine "if he had seen any media coverage of the missing woman, including her name and picture of her vehicle." He said that he had "but these photos did not help Blaine recall having seen Halbach or her vehicle before."

Blaine was questioned about the Suzuki and snowmobile in the garage. He was asked to describe in detail the trailer that had been used to transport the Skidoo snowmobile from Crivitz to the Avery property.

Blaine was asked if he recalled Steven coming to the house and asking for assistance in moving a Suzuki or a snowmobile into the garage. Blaine said he did not. Blaine said if Steve would have made such a request, Blaine would have remembered

Blaine asked if he could describe where the gray Suzuki was normally kept. Blaine responded that for the last week or two, this Suzuki was parked on the side of Steve's garage closest to Blaine's house. Blaine said he thought Steve's plan was to fix the Suzuki so Blaine's grandpa, Allen Avery, could take it to the cabin in Crivitz. [This could be interpreted as the Susuki being parked on the east of the garage, inside or outside.]

Blaine was asked where the Suzuki currently was located. Blaine said he thought it was still parked next to Steve's garage. [This could be Fassbender twisting Blaine's words by using the word "next" when Blaine could have said it was still parked on the side of the garage closest to his house.]

Blaine was asked what he knew about Steve's snowmobile. Blaine responded Steve brought this snowmobile back from his grandpa's cabin about one week ago. Blaine was with Steve when Steve did this. According to Blaine, the snowmobile was put on a trailer and brought back home. Blaine did not help Steve unload this trailer because the snowmobile had been left on the trailer. As of the week of 10/31/2005, Blaine thought the snowmobile was still on the trailer. [Steve brought the Suzuki home on 10/30 from someone named Tim, and he also brought the snowmobile home from Crivitz on 10/30.]

Blaine was asked to describe the trailer. Blaine described this trailer as approximately 14' long, black metal with a drop ramp, and approximately 2' sides. Blaine said this trailer is capable of hauling two snowmobiles. This trailer is actually Barb's trailer and usually sits [sic] on the left side of Barb's garage.

The two DCI agents returned on November 11th to re-interview Blaine about any bonfires the week of October 31st. Blaine said he was "supposed to have a girl over to his house for a bonfire" but the "bonfire never took place" because the girl said "she did not want to come out for a bonfire." 








To summarize, Blaine was questioned on November 5th, 7th and 11th.

During cross examination of Blaine at Avery's trial, Strang was mistaken about an interview occurring on November 15th (page 83). There was an interview on November 5th at Cedar Ridge Restaurant (unless Baldwin misrepresented the date in her report on CASO page 282, and this interview actually occurred on November 15th and not November 5th).

Q.   Good morning.
A.   Good morning.
Q.   I'm going to call you Mr. Dassey, even though you-- I guess you are 18 now, you turned 18?
A.   Yes.
Q.   Since this is a little bit of a formal place; do you mind if I address you as Mr. Dassey?
A.   Yes.
Q.   Yes, you do mind?
A.   Or no.
Q.   All right. Mr. Dassey, you have been approached by the police a number of times, I think, since October 31, 2005, haven't you?
A.   Yes.
Q.   Started probably a week later, on November 7?
A.   Yes.
Q.   And on November 11?
A.   Yes.
Q.   November 15?
A.   Yes.
Q.   And times after that, right?
A.   Yes.
Q.   Right up through today, when you talked to Mr. Fassbender during the break?
A.   Yes.
Q.   And the police have asked you the same questions over, and over, and over, about October 31, haven't they?
A.   Yes.
Q.   You give them an answer?
A.   Yes.
Q.   And if they don't like the answer, they ask you again?
A.   Yes.

Other than the excerpts of testimony above, Blaine outright lied at Avery's trial (page 52). Blaine caved into pressure from Scott and Barb to change his original statements to match the State's narrative. Kratz wrote the script, which he rehearsed with Blaine prior to Avery's trial. Blaine followed Krtatz's script when he testified, but his performance wasn't flawless.

The following are Blaine's lies about October 31st during direct examination by Kratz.

1. The bus dropped him off at 3:40 (he originally said the bus drops him off between 3:30 and 4:00 p.m.).

2. He got home from trick-or-treating at 11 p.m. (he originally said he got home at 9:30 p.m.).

3. As he was walking from the bus stop to his home, at 3:46 or 3:47 p.m., he saw Steven bringing a plastic bag to his burning barrel (he originally said he didn't see Steven that day).

4. When Steven threw the plastic bag into barrel, there was smoke and flames coming out of the barrel (he originally said he didn't see Steven that day, he didn't see anyone using burn barrels that day, and burn barrels were used on November 3rd).

5. When he got home at 11 p.m. he saw one person, who he believed to be Steven, sitting and watching a bonfire with four to five foot flames behind his garage. (He orginally said that he got home at 9:30 p.m., and that when he got home he didn't see anyone outside; he also originally said he hadn't seen Steven that day and that there weren't any bonfires that day or that week.)

6. When he got home at 11 p.m. he went to bed in the bedroom he shared with Brendan, but Brendan wasn't in the bedroom (he originally said that when he got home at 9:30 p.m., Barb, Brendan and Bobby were inside, and then he went to bed by 10 p.m.).

7. At 3:45 p.m. he saw the Suzuki parked on the "right side, outside of the garage" (he originally said that for the last week or two, this Suzuki was parked on the side of Steven's garage closest to Blaine's house, meaning the inside of the garage).

8. Kratz, knowing that Blaine screwed up, used a diagram to have Blaine point out where the Suzuki was parked, and Kratz clarified for the jury that Blaine is "pointing to the outside of what would be Steven Avery's garage, just to the left side." (Fassbender twisted Blaine's words in his report of Strauss and Wilson's November 7th interview with Blaine, writing that "when asked where the Suzuki currently was located, Blaine said he thought it was still parked next to Steve's garage." However, Blaine hadn't said it was "parked next to Steve's garage;" he said it was "parked on the side of Steven's garage closest to Blaine's house.")

9. He also noticed a snowmobile outside, parked in "back of, behind the Suzuki." (He originally said Steven had towed the snowmobile from his grandpa's cabin about one week ago, on October 30th, and that the snowmobile had been left on the trailer. He also said that as of the week of October 31st, he thought the snowmobile was still on the trailer.) Kratz stopped at this point to add the following:

Q.   Now, I'm just asking you about your observations, Blaine, I don't know -- I don't care who you talked to, or what somebody might have said, but just what you saw with your own eyes, okay?
A.   Okay.
Q.   Do you remember seeing, with your own eyes, or remembering your own observations, whether or not that Suzuki and that snowmobile were moved somewhere else, at some point after the 31st of October? 
A.   I'm not sure, no.
Q.   Okay.  You just remember the 31st, that they were next to the garage; is that right?
A.   Yes.

10. Because Blaine, when asked twice before about the burn barrel, didn't say, as he had rehearsed with Kratz, that he saw white smoke, which would be the color of smoke if plastic were burning, Kratz asked him a third time about the burn barrel:

Q.   Now, can you describe for the jury the smoke or anything else that you saw coming out of that burn barrel when you got home that day?

ATTORNEY STRANG:  Asked and answered, twice. 

ATTORNEY KRATZ:  I want him to describe, if he can, I want to know if he can describe the color, or if there were flames, or more descriptive of what he saw, Judge. That has not been answered.

ATTORNEY STRANG:  It's been asked and answered, twice.

THE COURT:  I know the question has been answered if there was something coming out of it. I don't remember if there was a request for a description, so I will allow the question.

Q.   (By Attorney Kratz)~ If you remember, Blaine, do you remember anything coming out of that burn barrel?

A.   Yeah, white smoke.

(Blaine originally said there weren't any fires in burn barrels that day.)



The screenshots above and below are from CASO's November 4th flyover of the Avery property. Many portions of the recording seemed to be intentionally blurred, especially the areas in front of Avery's truck and Barb Janda's shed, where Avery parked the trailer after returning it to Barb. Are the trailer and Skidoo snowmobile parked between Avery's truck and the garage overhead door in the screenshots above and below?



The flyover video from November 4th is blurred but there appears to be something between Avery's truck and his garage overhead door (image above). That something could be the Skidoo snowmobile on the trailer Avery borrowed from Barb to haul the snowmobile from Crivitz to his home on October 30th. That snowmobile on the trailer would have been blocking the garage overhead door, preventing anyone from pushing the Suzuki outside the garage, as the State claims was done to make room for Teresa's RAV4 on October 31st.



Avery's truck was parked to the side of his garage overhead door when law enforcement commandeered the property on November 5th (Steven and other family members were at the family cabin in Crivitz). The trailer used to tow the Skidoo snowmobile from Crivitz to the Avery property on October 30th had been parked, with the Skidoo still on it, in front of Avery's garage overhead door. Prior to November 4th, Avery had moved the Skidoo inside his garage and moved the trailer, which belonged to Barb, beside her home.




On October 30th, Avery used Barb Janda's trailer and his Ford truck to tow a Skidoo snowmobile from Crivitz to the Avery property. According to Blaine, he was with Steven when he towed it on October 30th; and during the week of October 31st, it was still on the trailer as far as he could remember (Blaine stayed at the home of his boss November 4-12th). Avery had moved the Skidoo off the trailer and into his garage prior to the evening of November 4th, and then returned the trailer to Barb, moving it to the side of her home.



The image above is from a flyover video taken by a drone on October 31, 2016.  The large yellow box at the bottom of the image is the turnaround on Avery Road, near the mailboxes, where the school bus driver dropped off the Dassey brothers. The tiny pink box at the top of the image is where the minivan that Teresa photographed was parked on October 31, 2005. The distance is about 1000 feet or 333 yards (the length of about three football fields). The school bus driver said she saw Teresa taking pictures of a van by the mailboxes (the yellow box); however, the van that Teresa photographed was parked in the long, shared driveway between Steven Avery and Barb Janda's homes (the pink box).


Screenshot of a 2016 drone flyover of the Avery property.

In the image above, the spot where the bus driver picked up and dropped off the Dassey brothers is marked with the yellow box. It is at the end of Avery Road, where it intersects with the long shared driveway to Barb and Steven's homes. The spot where Barb's van was parked on October 31st, and the days that followed, is marked with the pink box.

On November 5th, the day police took over the Avery property, the bus driver for the Dassey brothers approached law enforcement at barriers on HWY 147 and County Road Q (she walked there from her home on County Road Q). She told them that on October 31st around 3:40 p.m. she saw a women, who she thought was Teresa, talking pictures at the spot where she dropped off the Dassey brothers. She gave a statement to Wiegert two days later, on November 7th, and clearly stated that it was at the intersection of Avery Road and the long, shared driveway where she saw Teresa taking pictures of a van. But the van was not parked at the spot. It was parked down the shared driveway, near Steven's trailer.

The bus driver was mistaken. She did not see Teresa on October 31st. She may have seen a women taking pictures of a vehicle parked at the mailboxes since there was a red and black Blazer, along with a Monte Carlo/Grand Prix, for sale on that day; or she saw Teresa taking pictures three weeks earlier, on October 10th, when she came to the Avery property to photograph the Grand Prix that Steven wanted to sell. Steven said Teresa usually came between 2:00 and 3:00 p.m., so it is likely the bus driver never saw Teresa at any time or on any day because she dropped off the boys between 3:30 and 3:45 p.m.




On Saturday, November 5th, the bus driver, who lived on County Road Q, walked to the barrier at the intersection of HWY 147 and County Road Q and told law enforcement at the barrier that she saw Teresa taking pictures when she dropped off Blaine and Brendan Dassey on October 31st at 3:40 p.m. 

She was called in to give a statement two days later, on November 7th.

The following is the bus driver's statement, taken by Wiegert on November 7th, and an excerpt from her testimony at Avery's trial. 

Page 140
TYPE OF ACTIVITY: Interview of: Lisa K. Buchner
DATE OF ACTIVITY: 11/07/05
REPORTING OFFICER: Inv. Mark Wiegert

On 11/07/05 at 12:00 p.m., I (Inv. MARK WIEGERT of the CALUMET COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT) met with LISA BUCHNER inside the command post at the AVERY property. LISA informed me she was a school bus driver and would pick up several children at the AVERY properly and drop them off.

LISA states sometime between Monday, 10/31/05, and Wednesday, 11/02/05, she saw a female taking pictures around 3:30 p.m. I asked LISA if she could be more specific as to the date to which she stated she could not, she just knows it was sometime either Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday.

LISA told me she drops off the two boys that live down the lane. She believes their names are BRENDAN and BLAINE DASSEY. She states she comes down Avery Lane and drops them off at the beginning of the driveway, which goes to the west.

LISA states she remembers a van being parked at the entrance to the driveway pointed eastbound. She states the van would have been parked at the intersection of Avery Lane and the driveway on the north side of the road, again pointed east. She stated the unknown female was standing in the grass north of where the van would have been parked taking pictures. LISA stated to me, "I thought to myself why would anyone take pictures of that junk." I asked LISA if anyone was with the female. She stated she did not recall anyone being with her.

She states there was a Grand Prix and a truck also parked in that area. She said it is the same two vehicles that are parked there now; however, the van was not there now.

I asked LISA if she observed the boys talking or associating with the female to which LISA stated she does not remember if they talked to her or not when they got off the bus.

I asked LISA if she knew anything about the weather that day to which she stated she does not remember anything about the weather. LISA indicated nothing about that day stands out.

She stated she just remembered this on Saturday, 11/05/05, and thought it would be important that we would know this information. That was the end of my conversation with LISA.

Day 19 – 2007 March 8

Witnesses
Lisa Buchner
School Bus Driver
Dropped off Brendan & Blaine, 31 October

Direct Examination [page 102]
Cross-Examination [page 114]
Redirect Examination [page 21]

Q    Okay.  Um, during the week of -- that began on
Monday, October 31, 2005, um, do you remember
seeing anything that, you know, you remembered
later when you dropped the Dassey boys off on
that -- that week?
A    I, um, remember seeing a woman taking photographs.
Q    Could you tell what the woman was taking
photographs of?
A    A van.
Q    And where -- where was the woman taking
photographs of a van?
A    In the driveway.
Q    The driveway you just described?
A    Yeah.  The one on the right.
Q    Okay.  About -- Could you see about how far down
the van was?
A    It was right by the pavement.  In the -- I mean,
right at -- right there.  I don't know.
Q    Okay.  Um, remember anything about the van?
A    It was -- No, it was junk.
Q    Okay.  All right.  And, um, do you remember
where -- How did you know the woman was taking
photographs?
A    I saw a woman taking photographs.  I saw a camera.
Q    Okay.  Um, at the time, I assume, this was no big deal?
A    No.
Q    All right.  Uh, how is it that you later remembered that?
A    I remember, um, that I -- I was laying -- laying down
on the couch and I remembered that I made the comment
to myself, um, why would anybody take a piece -- a
picture of that piece of junk?
Q    Okay.  Um, and within a few days after this, um,
did -- were you encountering the -- the road
being closed off by police in that general area?
A    The road was closed off, yes.
Q    I mean, a few days after the -- you saw this
woman taking photographs of the van? 
A    Um, when I remembered, it was already closed off.
Q    Okay.  Um, now, as you sit here today, do you --
do you remember what day, exactly, of the week of
October 31 you saw the woman taking photographs
of the junky van?
A    Uh, no I don't remember the day.
Q    Okay.  Do -- was there only one day when you saw
a woman in October, 2005, or early November, if
that's what it was, taking pictures --
ATTORNEY GAHN:  Objection, Your Honor.
The -- He's leading the witness for a while now.
THE COURT:  Um, well, I don't think that
last question's leading so I'm going to allow it.
ATTORNEY STRANG:  Okay.
Q    (By Attorney Strang)  Was -- was there more than
one day in this time period when you saw a woman
taking photographs of the junky van?
A    Uh, not that I remember.  I only remember seeing one
woman taking pictures.
Q    Okay.  Um, do you personally know Steven Avery?
A    No.
Q    Uh, do you personally know any of Halbach family?
A    No.
Q    Okay.  Um, I -- I -- I take it, if I understand,
you -- you simply happened to be a bus driver who
dropped the Dassey boys off?
A    Yes.
Q    And picked them up?
A    Yes.
Q    Um, when you saw this woman taking the
photographs, was -- was that when you were
dropping the Dassey boys off or some other time?
A    Um, when I was dropping them off.
Q    Okay.  So in -- again, that would have been about
when?  What --
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A    Three-thirty.
Q    -- time of day?
A    I'm sorry.  Three-thirty to three-forty.
Q    That's all I have.  Thank you.
THE COURT:  Mr. Gahn?
ATTORNEY GAHN:  Yes, Your Honor.
THE COURT:  You may proceed.
ATTORNEY GAHN:  Thank you.
CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY ATTORNEY GAHN:
Q    Good afternoon, Ms. Buchner.  Um, do you recall
when you, um, reported this?  What -- Your
observations to the police?
A    I believe it was Saturday.
Q    Saturday?  Could -- could it have been, um,
Monday?  The following Monday?  On -- on
November 7 --
A    Could have been.
Q    -- do you recall?  Okay.  And do you remember,
um, how did you contact the police?
A    I walked up to the barrier.
Q    And, um -- and what prompted you to -- to go to
the police?
A    Because I had remembered seeing a woman taking
pictures. 
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Q    Okay.
A    And I thought maybe I should say something.
Q    As a good citizen? 
A    Yeah.
Q    Okay.  And, um, do you, um, remember who you
talked to? 
A    Um, when?
Q    Uh, when you reported this.
A    Uh, when I walked up to the barrier, and there was a
woman cop, and I spoke -- spoke to a male cop, but I
don't remember the name.
Q    And this was over at the Avery Salvage Yard you
went to report this; correct?
A    It was -- it was at a barrier by my house.
Q    I'm sorry?  By where?
A    By my house where I lived.
Q    Do you live nearby?
A    Yeah.  I did.
Q    Do you -- so -- where did you live, then?
A    I lived, um, on County Road Q.
Q    And how far was that from the Avery Salvage Yard?
A    I don't know.  Not far.  I don't --
Q    Uh, did you drive over there or walk over there? 
A    I walked to the barrier at the intersection.
Q    Okay.  And -- and when you say "the barrier", you
mean the barrier over at the Avery Salvage Yard?
A    No.  The barrier at the intersection of Q and -- and
147.  The barrier --
Q    But then from there did you go further to the,
um -- towards the Avery property? 
A    An -- another day I did.  They called me back a
different day.
Q    Oh.  And -- and -- All right.  So -- Did you talk
to anyone or tell anyone that first time you went
to the barrier?
A    Tell them what?
Q    What you just -- what you're telling today?
A    Yes.
Q    And then you say you went back again?
A    And gave a statement.
Q    Okay.  And do you remember to whom it was you
gave a statement?
A    No.
Q    Okay.  Could it have been Detective -- Officer
Wiegert, here?
A    Um --
Q    He's sitting right here behind --
A    The glasses?  I -- I think I was in his -- in his
cruise -- in his cop car.  I don't -- I don't
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remember.  There was a cop I talked to, too, and then
somebody in a building.
Q    And was that over by the Avery Salvage Yard?
A    Yes.
Q    Okay.  All right.  Um, and you -- you told him on
that day these observations of yours; correct? 
A    Yes.
Q    And you can't tell us, though, to the exactly
what day it was you made these observations?
A    No.
Q    And can you say for sure whether it was the week
of October 31?
A    No.
Q    Could it have been before October 31?
A    Yes.
Q    Could it have been a week before?
A    Yes. 
Q    Could it have been two weeks before?
A    Yes.  I -- I don't know. 
Q    So you don't know exactly when it was you saw
this woman taking pictures?
A    No.
Q    And do you remember -- Well, let me ask you this:
How close did you get to her? 
A    I have no idea how far away it would have been.  I
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was in a school bus, dropped kids off and drove away.
I'm --
Q    I mean, um, five feet?  Ten feet?  Twenty feet
away?
A    Um, not really sure.
Q    Um, two blocks away?
A    No.
Q    Okay.  Could you just give us an idea --
A    Um --
Q    -- of how far away she was when you saw her?  And
it's okay if you can't.
A    I -- I have no idea.
Q    And that's okay.  Um, and do you know where the
vehicles were that she was taking photographs of? 
A    They were at the end of the driveway. 
Q    And at the end of the -- where you enter the
Avery property?
A    The, uh -- the gravel driveway to the right off of,
um, Avery Road by the mailboxes.



The school bus turnaround was by the mailboxes, where Avery Road intersects with the shared driveway that led to Barb and Steven's homes. In the image above, the mailbox and turnaround area are marked with a yellow circle and the location of Barb's van on the day it was photographed by Teresa is marked with a pink circle.

Lisa Buchner, the school bus driver, said she saw Teresa taking pictures at the start of the shared driveway, by the mailboxes on Avery Road. On October 10th, Buchner may have seen Teresa, which was the day she came to the Avery property to photograph Steven's Grand Prix. Steven parked the vehicles he had for sale at the intersection of the shared driveway and Avery Road, near the mailboxes and the school bus turnaround. Or the bus driver may have seen another woman taking pictures of a vehicle parked by the mailboxes; the woman may have been taking pictures because she was interested in buying one of the vehicles that was for sale. Steven had a Blazer and Grand Prix for sale at the time. At the time Teresa disappeared, the Grand Prix was directly behind the Blazer, which was red and black (Barb's van was also red).

Q    By -- Um, if you were to see a diagram of that
property, could that help you?
A    Yes.
Q    Very good.  Thank you, ma'am.  I'm putting up,
um, what has been previously, in this trial,
ma'am, as Exhibit 81, and I'm going to ask you,
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does that have the road that you would drive down
to pick up or drop off the boys?
A    The, um, road where all the cars are parked?  That's
Avery Road?
Q    Okay.  Is it -- And -- and to -- are you sh --
sure that's Av -- that's Avery Road?
A    I -- I don't know.  I'm asking.  Is it?
Q    Okay.  Yes, that's Avery Road.
A    And then the gravel road would be the one to the
right there.
Q    And where were the -- where -- If I were to give
you a laser pointer, could you show us where the
woman was taking pictures on this --
A    Yes.
Q    Okay.  And, also, um, Ms. Buchner, let me know if
it would be helpful, because we can zoom in to
these intersections --
A    Okay.
Q    -- and make this closer.  Could -- could you show
the jurors where Avery Road is and --
A    Oh.
Q    -- where you would drive your bus in?
A    I would drive this way and then drop off right there.
Q    Okay.  That's where you would drop off the boys?
A    Yeah.  And then turn around right there.
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Q    All right.  And where did you see the woman who
you believe was taking the pictures?
A    Would be in the middle of right there.  And --
Q    And --
A    -- taking --
Q    You're -- You're doing just fine.  Thank you.
Could you also -- Would there be any way to show
the jurors where you believe the cars were that
she was taking photographs of? 
A    Um, right there would be -- right there and on both
sides of this driveway right there.  There was the
van, and then a car, and then a car on the other
side, and I think a car behind it, but I'm not sure.
Q    And when you dropped the boys off after school,
is that where you always dropped them off?
A    Yes.
Q    Do you know how many cars she was taking
photographs of?
A    No.
Q    And, um, could you describe any of the clothing?
A    No.
Q    Could it have been a man with long hair?
A    I don't think so.
Q    Okay.  I -- I'm just -- I know -- You're --
you're sure it was a woman?
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A    Yes, I remember it being a woman.
Q    Okay.  All right.  Thank you so much, Ms.
Buchner.  Appreciate it.
THE COURT:  Mr. Strang?
REDIRECT EXAMINATION
 BY MR. STRANG:
Q    Ms. Buchner, um, I understand you don't remember
the day anymore, but did you -- did you -- did --
did you -- you walked up to tell the police about
this on your own?
A    Yes.
Q    And was that just a few days after this happened?
A    Um, I believe it was Saturday.
Q    Of the same week?
A    Right.
Q    At the end of that week?  Okay.  And then you --
then they asked you to come back a few days later
and give a statement?
A    Yes.
Q    But that was still a week or a little more than a
week after this -- after you saw this woman
taking the picture of the van?
A    Yes.
Q    Uh, that's all I have.  Thanks.
THE COURT:  Very well.  You are excused.
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Defense may call its next witness.

Interestingly, Blaine first was interviewed on November 5th by DCI agent Kim Skorlinski and CASO detective Wendy Baldwin, but this report is not available online and Skorlinski didn't testify at Brendan's or Steven Avery's trial. Additionally, the report filed by Wendy Baldwin that references this November 5th activity wasn't filed until later, sometime after November 22, 2005 (see images below).




CROSS-EXAMINATION OF BLAINE DASSEY BY ATTORNEY STRANG:
20   Q.   Good morning.
21   A.   Good morning.
22   Q.   I'm going to call you Mr. Dassey, even though you
23        -- I guess you are 18 now, you turned 18?
24   A.   Yes.
25   Q.   Since this is a little bit of a formal place; do
 1        you mind if I address you as Mr. Dassey?
 2   A.   Yes.
 3   Q.   Yes, you do mind?
 4   A.   Or no.
 5   Q.   All right.  Mr. Dassey, you have been approached
 6        by the police a number of times, I think, since
 7        October 31, 2005, haven't you?
 8   A.   Yes.
 9   Q.   Started probably a week later, on November 7?
10   A.   Yes.
11   Q.   And on November 11?
12   A.   Yes.
13   Q.   November 15?
14   A.   Yes.
15   Q.   And times after that, right?
16   A.   Yes.
17   Q.   Right up through today, when you talked to
18        Mr. Fassbender during the break?
19   A.   Yes.
20   Q.   And the police have asked you the same questions
21        over, and over, and over, about October 31,
22        haven't they?
23   A.   Yes.
24   Q.   You give them an answer?
25   A.   Yes.
 1   Q.   And if they don't like the answer, they ask you
 2        again?
 3   A.   Yes.
 4   Q.   Now, at the time, on Halloween, 2005, there was
 5        nothing really special about that day, to you,
 6        other than that it was Halloween, right?
 7   A.   Yes.
 8   Q.   I mean, you had plans to go trick or treating?
 9   A.   Mm-hmm.
10   Q.   But no big deal about October 31, 2005, other
11        than that, right?
12   A.   No.
13   Q.   All right.  It was another school day, was a
14        Monday?
15   A.   Yes.
16   Q.   Every day you get picked up by the bus at about
17        the same time in the morning, for school?
18   A.   Yes.
19   Q.   In fact, probably like any other kid in high
20        school, you know just how long you can stall
21        before going out the door?
22   A.   Yes.
23   Q.   All right.  So you know that the bus comes
24        between 7:08 and 7:13 in the morning, right?
25   A.   Yes.
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 1   Q.   All right.  And the school -- The bell letting
 2        you out of school happens at the same time every
 3        day?
 4   A.   Yes.
 5   Q.   3:05 in the afternoon?
 6   A.    Yes.
 7   Q.   School bus is there?
 8   A.   Yes.
 9   Q.   Back -- Back in October, 2005, you had sort of a
10        nice female bus driver?
11   A.   Yes.
12   Q.   She was the same bus driver every day?
13   A.   Yes.
14   Q.   And then every day she takes the same route home,
15        dropping kids off?
16   A.   Yes.
17   Q.   So you know that -- you know, almost to the
18        minute, roughly, when you get off the bus every
19        day, right?
20   A.   Yes.
21   Q.   You get off the bus every day with Brendan,
22        assuming he's not sick or something?
23   A.   Yeah.
24   Q.   Now, that's why you are really pretty sure that
25        you got off this bus at about 3:40, something
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 1        like that?
 2   A.   Yes.
 3   Q.   On Halloween, 2005?
 4   A.   Yes.
 5   Q.   You and Brendan walked down the road together and
 6        you both go into your house?
 7   A.   Yes.
 8   Q.   You remember, because you were asked just a week
 9        later, that when you walked in, Bobby was home?
10   A.   Yes. 
11   Q.   Bobby was sleeping.
12   A.   Yes. 
13   Q.   Bobby was not out deer hunting?
14   A.   Yes.
15   Q.   You and Brendan woke Bobby up?
16   A.   Yes.
17   Q.   You remember doing that?
18   A.   Yeah.
19   Q.   And then you kind of hung out and you were on the
20        computer until it was time to go trick or
21        treating?
22   A.   Yes.
23   Q.   Brendan was there?
24   A.   Yes.
25   Q.   He stayed in the house playing video games?
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 1   A.   Yes.
 2   Q.   The whole time you were there working on the
 3        computer, he was playing video games?
 4   A.   Yeah.
 5   Q.   You guys have the computer and the video games in
 6        the same room?
 7   A.   Yes. 
 8   Q.   Bobby, at some point, left, or do you remember?
 9   A.   I'm not sure.  I don't remember.
10   Q.   Okay.  But he wasn't out deer hunting; he was in
11        bed sleeping, when you got home?
12   A.   Yes.
13   Q.   Now, you, then, go off trick or treating at, you
14        said 5:25 or 5:30, you thought, something like
15        that?
16   A.   Yes.
17   Q.   But before then, Brendan hasn't left to go get
18        mail for anybody?
19   A.   No. 
20   Q.   You go trick or treating, Brendan does not go
21        with you?
22   A.   No.
23   Q.   So -- But when you went trick or treating, 5:25,
24        5:30, whatever it was; it's getting dark?
25   A.   Yes.
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 1   Q.   Or dark already?
 2   A.   Yes.
 3   Q.   Okay.  You are going into Two Rivers, I think?
 4   A.   Yes.
 5   Q.   I'm pronouncing that wrong, I know.  It's more
 6        like Two Rivers?
 7   A.   Two Rivers.
 8   Q.   All right.  And so you are walking all the way up
 9        that driveway to where Carmen is going to pick
10        you up, where the bus turns around?
11   A.   Yes.
12   Q.   Now, whether it was when you were walking down
13        that driveway from the bus, or when you are
14        walking back up to get in the car with Carmen and
15        go trick or treating; did you hear any woman, any
16        young woman's voice screaming for her life?
17   A.   No.
18   Q.   Do you hear any gunshots?
19   A.   No.
20   Q.   If you had heard gunshots, or someone screaming
21        for their life, that's something you would
22        remember?
23   A.   Yes.
24   Q.   All right.  And one thing that the police asked
25        you over and over, if you did remember, is
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 1        whether you saw a fire that day?
 2   A.   Yes.
 3   Q.   Do you remember that?
 4   A.   Yes.
 5   Q.   They asked you that the first time they talked to
 6        you on November 7, didn't they?
 7   A.   Yes.
 8   Q.   Which was the next Monday, right?
 9   A.   Yes.
10   Q.   And you told them there was no fire, you didn't
11        see a fire, that's what you told them on
12        November 7, isn't it?
13   A.   No.
14   Q.   Well --
15                 ATTORNEY KRATZ:  I will need to be heard
16        outside the presence of the jury, Judge.
17                 THE COURT:  All right.  Members of the
18        jury, we'll take a short break at this time.
19                     (Jury not present.)
20                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  We also should excuse the
21        witness.
22                 THE COURT:  You may be seated.  And the
23        witness will be excused out in the hallway.
24        Mr. Kratz.
25                 ATTORNEY KRATZ STRANG: This is at least the
25                 ATTORNEY KRATZ:  This is at least the
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 1        second time, and probably more than that, that a
 2        witness in this case is going to be impeached with
 3        somebody else's exhibit; that is, to be shown a
 4        police report or an exhibit from somebody other than
 5        the witness themselves, other than the declarant,
 6        and that is hearsay.
 7                 If the attempt here is to refresh
 8        recollection, then you can do that with the
 9        witness' own statement.  If the attempt is to
10        impeach the witness, then you can ask, did you
11        tell Investigator Fassbender, or whoever, such
12        and such.  If they say no, then the procedure is
13        to call Investigator Fassbender to impeach, with
14        a prior inconsistent statement.
15                 But using this procedure, to show a
16        witness a police report, a document that this
17        witness did not author and presumably has no
18        ability to determine its reliability or
19        authenticity, I think is improper.  I have made
20        this objection before in this trial, Judge, and I
21        raise it again, because it appears that the same
22        procedure is being attempted at this time.
23                 THE COURT:  Mr. Strang.
24                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  Well, first of all, if I
25        understand the objection, the document I'm intending
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 1        to show him is an interview of Blaine Dassey.  It is
 2        not an interview of someone else.  And I intend to
 3        show it to him and ask him if that refreshes his
 4        recollection.
 5                 If it does not refresh his recollection
 6        about what he said, then I intend to ask him, and
 7        I can read it verbatim, did you tell, you know,
 8        two agents of the Division of Criminal
 9        Investigation, on November 7, that there was not
10        any bonfire.
11                 If he denies it and, you know, if at
12        first doesn't have his recollection refreshed and
13        then if he denies saying it, yes, you know,
14        eventually, I suppose, we would have to perfect
15        the impeachment by calling one of the reporting
16        agents or one of the agents present.  But there
17        is nothing in the world wrong with showing this
18        to him to refresh his recollection, or ask him to
19        tell me whether the agent's got it wrong.
20                 THE COURT:  Mr. Kratz.
21                 ATTORNEY KRATZ:  I disagree, Judge.  I
22        think he can be shown his statement.  If there's a
23        written statement that this witness generated,
24        perfectly -- perfectly reasonable to show him his
25        own statement. 
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 1                 That happened with Ms Zipperer, show her
 2        her statement, does that refresh your
 3        recollection, she can say yes or no.  But to show
 4        a police report from a collateral source, from a
 5        third party, and asking if this refreshes a
 6        person's recollection, when they didn't create
 7        it, is absolutely improper and is hearsay.
 8                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  906.12 allows the use of
 9        anything that may refresh recollection.  And
10        certainly a report of a law enforcement interview
11        with the very person falls well within the term of
12        anything.
13                 THE COURT:  Well, doesn't the first step
14        have to be to ask the witness if looking at the
15        document would refresh the witness' recollection.
16                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  I can do that, sure.
17                 THE COURT:  And what if he says no?
18                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  Well, then, I will --
19        then, I will ask him if he said it.
20                 THE COURT:  Do we know whether or not the
21        witness has ever seen this document before?
22                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  I have -- I have no idea.
23        Now, if Mr. Kratz is suggesting that there's a
24        handwritten statement from Blaine Dassey, then I
25        should look again.
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 1                 ATTORNEY KRATZ:  No, I said if there was,
 2        he could use it as in Mrs. Zipperer's refreshing
 3        recollection.
 4                 THE COURT:  So there's not a statement of
 5        this witness.
 6                 ATTORNEY KRATZ:  That's correct.  No
 7        handwritten statement.
 8                 THE COURT:  What is the State's authority
 9        for the proposition that a witness' recollection can
10        only be refreshed by looking at a statement of the
11        witness, him or herself.
12                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  Well, 906.12 starts with,
13        if a witness uses a writing to refresh the memory
14        for the purpose of testifying, an adverse party is
15        entitled to have it produced at the hearing.  That's
16        not what we're talking about here, Judge. 
17                 This witness hasn't said, there's some
18        writing that can refresh my recollection, there's
19        some business records, there's some document that
20        I know of that exists in the world that can
21        refresh my recollection.  That's 906.12.
22                 THE COURT:  Maybe I'm missing something
23        here, but I'm not sure the parties disagree.
24        Mr. Strang asked the witness if looking at a police
25        report, a police interview with the witness, would
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 1        refresh the witness' recollection.  The witness may
 2        say yes or no.
 3                 It's possible the witness may remember
 4        that somebody was taking notes and maybe looking
 5        at the document would refresh the recollection,
 6        in which case the document doesn't get introduced
 7        as evidence, but the witness can look at it.  If
 8        the witness says, no, I don't think that would
 9        refresh my recollection, then Mr. Strang doesn't
10        get to show it to the witness and moves on to the
11        next question.
12                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  Well, then we go to
13        906.13 and I ask him -- he gets an opportunity to
14        admit or deny that he made the statement, and then
15        impeachment would be perfected by calling someone
16        else who was present or heard it.
17                 THE COURT:  You mean you would call
18        Mr. Fassbender or someone else later?
19                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  It wasn't Mr. Fassbender,
20        but --
21                 THE COURT:  Whoever. 
22                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  Right.  Someone who was
23        present, one of the two authors of the report,
24        hopefully.
25                 THE COURT:  All right.  Well, let's -- If
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 1        there is an objection to that, it's an objection for
 2        a later time, I believe.  All right.  It seems to me
 3        that Mr. Strang can ask the witness whether or not
 4        reviewing the report, if he knows of its existence,
 5        would refresh his recollection. 
 6                 If it does, the witness can look at it.
 7        Doesn't mean the report becomes evidence.  If
 8        not, then, Mr. Strang moves on to the next
 9        question.  Let's bring the jurors back in.
10                       (Jury present.)
11                 THE COURT:  You may be seated.  Mr. Strang,
12        you may proceed.
13                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  Thank you.
14   Q.   (By Attorney Strang)~ Let's go back where we were
15        when we left off.  Do you suppose that if you
16        looked at a police report from your November 7,
17        that first interview with some agents, that it
18        might help you remember today, what you told them
19        then?
20   A.   Yes.
21   Q.   I have marked this with an exhibit number for
22        you; it's Exhibit 355.  It's a DCI report.  The
23        only page numbers here are ones that I have
24        added, but I'm going to show you the sixth page.
25                 THE COURT:  Mr. Strang, I'm going to ask
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 1        that you show Mr. Kratz which page you are going to
 2        be looking at.
 3                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  Sure.  Absolutely.  All
 4        the pages are unnumbered, it's the sixth page of the
 5        report.  And specifically, counsel, I'm going to be
 6        inviting him to look at the second paragraph on page
 7        six.
 8   Q.   (By Attorney Strang)~ So now I will show it to
 9        you.  You can look at anything you want in here,
10        but I thought that that second paragraph right
11        there might help refresh your recollection.  Now,
12        don't read it out loud, just read it to yourself
13        and see if that helps you remember.  Is that any
14        help?
15   A.   Yeah.
16   Q.   Okay.  Now, on Monday, November 7, 2005, when the
17        officers asked you --
18                 THE COURT:  Just a second, Mr. Strang, can
19        you pick up the document.
20                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  I would be happy to,
21        sure.
22   Q.   So, Monday, November 7, Monday after Halloween,
23        when the officers asked you if there was any
24        bonfires last week, you told them there was not;
25        is that right?
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 1   A.   Yeah. 
 2   Q.   And you said you would know if there was a
 3        bonfire because you always like to have bonfires.
 4   A.   Yes.
 5   Q.   Steve would have bonfires back in that burn area,
 6        occasionally?
 7   A.   No.
 8   Q.   Didn't Steve have fires in his burn area once in
 9        a while?
10   A.   Which burn area?
11   Q.   Behind the garage that you were telling Mr. Kratz
12        about?
13   A.   No.
14   Q.   Never any bonfires back there?  No?
15   A.   No.
16   Q.   Just this one time?
17   A.   Yes.
18   Q.   Didn't Steve invite you later that week to bring
19        some friends over for a bonfire?
20   A.   Yes.
21   Q.   But that never happened?
22   A.   No.
23   Q.   Your friends didn't want to come?
24   A.   No.
25   Q.   But Steve, when I say Steve, your Uncle Steve,
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 1        made the invitation to you to bring other kids,
 2        other high school students over, right?
 3   A.   Yes.
 4   Q.   Invitation that, had it been accepted, would have
 5        had a bunch of kids standing around that burn
 6        area? 
 7   A.   Yes. 
 8   Q.   Maybe poking around in the fire?
 9   A.   Yes.
10   Q.   Or watching it for some hours?
11   A.   Yes.
12   Q.   And you didn't tell the police on November 7
13        anything about any fire in this burn barrel
14        either, did you?
15   A.   Yes.
16   Q.   Yes, you did tell them about a fire in the burn
17        barrel?
18   A.   Yes.
19   Q.   Do you think that would be in the report or maybe
20        they forgot that?
21   A.   I don't know.
22   Q.   Okay.  You do remember eventually telling the
23        police about a fire in the burn barrel, right?
24   A.   Yes.
25   Q.   Was that the second or third time they asked you?
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 1   A.   Yes.
 2   Q.   Now, Mr. Dassey, around page four of that same
 3        exhibit, 355, look at anything you like but,
 4        again, the second paragraph on the page is the
 5        one that I thought might help refresh your
 6        recollection.  Does that help?
 7   A.   Yes.
 8   Q.   I will take it back from you, no cheat sheets.
 9        Now that you have had a chance to refresh your
10        recollection about what you told the police, it's
11        true that they had asked you if anything happened
12        between 3:30 and 5 on that Halloween afternoon
13        and you said that nothing happened, right?
14   A.   Yes.
15   Q.   And they asked you specifically if you saw Steve
16        during that time period and you said that you did
17        not?
18   A.   Yes.
19   Q.   And you also were asked if Steve had asked you to
20        help move this Suzuki or the snowmobile and you
21        said, no, he hadn't asked you to help move the
22        Suzuki or the snowmobile, right? 
23   A.   Yes.
24   Q.   And you told them that was something you would
25        remember if Steve had asked you?
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 1   A.   Yes.
 2   Q.   The Cedar Ridge Restaurant?
 3   A.   Yes. 
 4   Q.   Over in Maribel, near you?
 5   A.   Yes.
 6   Q.   Okay.  Was your mom there for that?
 7   A.   Yes.
 8   Q.   Just you and your mom?
 9   A.   Yup. 
10   Q.   And then a couple of officers or agents?
11   A.   Yes.
12   Q.   And did you guys sit across the table from the
13        agents, in the restaurant?
14   A.   Yes.
15   Q.   Did there come a time in that discussion between
16        you and your mom and the agents, when the agents
17        sort of got in your face a little bit?
18   A.   Yes.
19   Q.   What were they doing to get in your face?
20   A.   They were arguing.
21   Q.   They were arguing?
22   A.   Yes.
23   Q.   They raised their voices?
24   A.   Yes. 
25   Q.   They got angry?
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 1   A.   Yes.
 2   Q.   They accused you guys of not accepting that Steve
 3        was guilty, didn't they?
 4   A.   Yes.
 5   Q.   They accused you of embarrassing yourselves by
 6        believing in your uncle, didn't they?
 7   A.   Yes.
 8   Q.   They tried to convince you that Steven Avery was
 9        guilty, didn't they?
10   A.   Yes.
11   Q.   And they got loud about it, at the restaurant?
12   A.   Yes.
13   Q.   And then they stomped off and left you there,
14        when you wouldn't turn on your uncle, didn't
15        they?
16   A.   Yes.
17   Q.   And that was back in November 15 of 2005.
18   A.   Yes.
19                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  That's all I have.
20
REDIRECT EXAMINATION
21   BY ATTORNEY KRATZ:
22   Q.   Blaine, at that November 15 meeting, before they
23        stomped off, did they tell you to tell the truth?
24   A.   Yes.
25   Q.   Were they upset at you because they thought that
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 1        you weren't being honest with them and telling
 2        the truth?
 3   A.   No.
 4   Q.   During that day, during the 15th, as Mr. Strang
 5        has mentioned, do you recall telling the police
 6        officers that, in fact, you did see your Uncle
 7        Steven burning in his burn barrel, putting this
 8        white plastic bag in there?
 9   A.   Yes.
10   Q.   Do you recall at that same interview, telling
11        these same officers, that you saw a fire, a
12        bonfire the night of the 31st of October?
13   A.   Yes.
14   Q.   And is that the time that you identified that it
15        was your Uncle Steven, and Steven alone, that you
16        saw standing by the fire?
17   A.   Yes.
18   Q.   How old were you at the time, Blaine?
19   A.   17.
20   Q.   And as a 17 year old young boy, was there a lot
21        going on in your household at the time?
22   A.   Yes.
23   Q.   Was there a lot of pressure being put on you by
24        family members on what to say or what not to say?
25   A.   No. 
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 1   Q.   Was there any pressure, or did you have any
 2        concerns about your Uncle Steven at that time?
 3   A.   No.
 4   Q.   Do you recall telling investigators that you were
 5        scared of your Uncle Steven, that's the word you
 6        used, scared; do you remember saying that?
 7   A.   Yes.
 8   Q.   Yes?
 9   A.   Yes.
10   Q.   What were you scared about with your Uncle
11        Steven; why were you afraid to tell the truth
12        about your Uncle Steven?
13                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  Object to the State's
14        testimony, argumentative. 
15                 ATTORNEY KRATZ:  I can rephrase, Judge.
16   Q.   (By Attorney Kratz)~ What were you scared about
17        with your Uncle Steven?
18   A.   Because he used to boss us around.
19   Q.   Who's us?
20   A.   Me and my brothers.
21   Q.   Were you afraid what your Uncle Steven might do
22        to you if you told the statement or testified
23        against him?
24   A.   No.
25   Q.   You were just generally scared of him?
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 1   A.   Yes.
 2   Q.   All right, Blaine, that's all I have for you. 
 3                 ATTORNEY KRATZ:  Thank you, Judge. 
 4                 THE COURT:  Mr. Strang.
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RECROSS-EXAMINATION
 6   BY ATTORNEY STRANG:
 7   Q.   Well, Mr. Dassey, when you -- when you finally
 8        told the police on November 15 that there was
 9        this bonfire going and you saw it when you came
10        home from trick or treating?
11   A.   Yes.
12   Q.   As Mr. Kratz said, you said you saw only one
13        person there?
14   A.   Yes.
15   Q.   You went in your house?
16   A.   Yes.
17   Q.   And you told them, too, that you remembered
18        seeing Brendan and that you talked with Brendan
19        about trick or treating, in your house, when you
20        got home, didn't you?
21   A.   Yes.
22   Q.   And then you went to bed?
23   A.   Yes.
24                 ATTORNEY STRANG:  That's all I have.
25                 THE COURT:  All right.  This witness is
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 1        excused.