"Compressing the common carotid quietly while she was already in a deep sleep would have likely pushed Shanann into a deeper sleep without a fight or flight response that comes from cutting off the veins. My big thought is...'Why did you lie Chris? Why say you saw her eyes fill with blood?' He also asked about mascara as if he did not know. 'Was it mascara?' It was truly as if Chris was not there when it happened. That he saw them after they had passed." - Jewels of Thought, January 7, 2021 (video below)
Theory: All three—Shanann, Bella and Cece—were alive but unconscious or heavily drugged before leaving the Watts home on the morning of August 13, 2018; and only Bella woke back up on the drive to Cervi.
Chris has been kept informed by his family and pen pals about discussions online regarding his case (reddit, youtube, etc.).
He knew about the "two shadows" spotted by sleuths of neighbor Nate's CCTV footage for the morning of August 13, 2018. He mentioned hearing about the "shadows" in the footage to Tammy Lee, Coder and Baumhover when they visited him at Dodge prison on February 18, 2019.
And, after his February 2019 Dodge prison confession, he wrote his letters to Cherlyn Cadle.
In his letter dated April 23, 2019, which Cadle sold to the Daily Mail, he says that he "killed" both of the girls in their beds before killing Shanann, but "they woke back up."
Remember that a month earlier, on February 18, 2019, he also said "they woke back up," but the detectives did not catch onto this statement.
February 2019 Dodge Interview:
Tammy: Could she grab your arms or were her arms pinned down or?
Chris: No, not that I remember, I don’t think so, I mean I don’t think, like, I moved to where my knees are around her arms or anything, but, I just kinda like when I got on top of her we just started talking and that was it. Its kinda like in my head or the back of my head that was gonna happen just like at the end of the conversation it was just like, that’s what happened. I just wish I could have let go.
Tammy: Did it seem like it was that long? Two to four minutes? How long did it seem for you?
Chris: Almost kinda felt like it was longer almost cuz it felt like time was standing still. It’s kinda like I just saw my life disappearing before my eyes but I just couldn’t let go. It was like somebody else, like, like if you picture somebody else around you holding your hands—holding you to keep you from not letting go.
Dave: At some point there was a statement about rage. Do you feel like you were in a rage at that point?
Chris: That’s the only way I can describe it, honestly. Like a snap. I guess my attorney had said strangulation is more of a like a, I don’t know, passionate type thing—I don’t know how that can be passionate.
Tammy: It’s just intimate cuz you’re right in there, using your own hands. It’s a lot different then someone standing across a room and you shooting them or something like that, so…
Chris: I guess it just felt like somebody was like, behind me, just like, (makes popping sound). Just…I just couldn’t let go.
Grahm: It’s interesting to me because there was a lot of things in your life that were like that. Maybe you just felt out of control, or maybe felt like I don’t know why I couldn’t take a step back or, you know? Like even when you said your buddy was like let’s go to the football game, you wanted to say yes you just couldn’t.
Chris: I wanted to , like I, I hadn’t been to a football game since North Carolina so I was just like “yeah sure”, like, I wanted to say that, I wanted to just text yeah, yeah babysitter fell through nope, can’t go.
Grahm: So, then what?
Chris: After, you know, Shanann was like, once that was…once she was gone…it was just like, I didn’t know what was going on, it feels like a traumatic event type. Everything I was shaking I didn’t know what had happened. I didn’t know what to do. I didn’t know what I had done. I still wasn’t in that right state of mind. I don’t think like I wasn’t in control of what I could think or what I could do in that point of time. Most people say “Why didn’t you just call 911?”. Unless you’re in that situation you don’t know what you would have done. It’s easy to play Monday morning quarterback.
Grahm: I agree with that
Chris: Like you said if someone shoots someone you don’t know what was going through their mind at that point in time. You don’t know what you would have done.
Grahm: So what happened next?
Chris: Bella came in the room.
Grahm: Is that what happened? Bella came in? What did she say?
Chris: ?
Grahm: Did she hear something, is that why she came in?
Chris: Obviously, I think
Grahm: Ok. What did you tell her?
Chris: Mommy don’t feel good.
Grahm: And then, did that happen with Bella right in that room?
Chris: Not in our room.
Grahm: Okay, what happened?
Chris: She walked in, she thought, you know, Shanann was sleeping.
Grahm: Did you take her back to her room?
Chris: I put Shanann in that sheet [???]
Grahm: Okay, and then what?
Chris: Carried her downstairs, backed my truck up.
Grahm: At that point were the girls still there?
Chris: (Assuming he nods)
Grahm: Okay, so Shanann’s in the truck, then you went back to the house?
Chris: Got everybody back in the truck.
Grahm: Was Bella first, or was Cece first?
Chris: In the truck?
Grahm: I’m sorry — so Shanann was first, and then Bella was next? Was Bella alive when you guys got in the truck? (Assuming Chris nodded by response) Oh, okay, what happened?
Chris: They woke back up
Grahm: Okay.
Chris: I don’t really want to talk about this part, honestly.
Grahm: Okay.
Chris: Those are my kids, my babies, I have to talk to them every night (cannot understand through crying).
Grahm: Okay.
Chris: Every time I see pictures of them, I don’t know how this could have happened. Being a dad was the best part of my life. I took it all away.
Since his conviction in November 2019, he has talked a lot about Bella with his pen pals [as well as with detectives, in February 2019].
But he has not talked a lot about Cece. His pen pals have since explained that he described Cece as being in and out of consciousness after "waking back up."
The following is a paraphrased post by Osiloo on reddit, along with comments:
The chances of BOTH girls "waking back up" after suffocation is going to be a lot smaller than just one of them miraculously surviving.
There seems to be a general consensus that one of the girls was carried to the truck and one walked.
During his 2019 confession to detectives, the only thing he said about Cece was that "Cece wasn't up yet; she was just in her room, getting ready to get out of bed."
The fact that he said Cece was still in bed leads us to believe that she never "woke back up" like Bella did.
When asked if they were awake in the truck, he said: "I think one was awake, one was asleep, Cece was like..." and then he trails off.
When asked, "Did you have to wake Cece up," he pauses, kind of mumbles and then just says, "There was noise trying to get Shanann down the stairs." Trying to avoid the question, he never confirms yes or no.
In the 2019 interview at Dodge prison, he talked about Bella's death at the tanks in more detail than he does with Cece's.
Is this because he is telling the truth about Bella but lying about Cece's murder?
[–]wyldcynic
This is the theory that I have been leaning toward as time has gone by and after the multiple confessions.
Clearly CW is a liar but he’s smart enough to know that believable lies are grounded in half-truths.
He also very much cares about what people think about him. If he’s still lying—and I think most people feel he is—it’s to avoid confessing to something worse.
I couldn’t think of anything worse, but this might be it—Cece being incapacitated but not quite dead, and Bella fully regaining consciousness. That would result in him having to “kill them twice.”
But poor Bella. She definitely fought back and knew what was happening to her was terrible, and that’s the hardest part. She seemed to always be so nervous, like she was born knowing the world would not be a kind place.
[–]vestalis66
He separated them to not set off sensors in the tanks: this is one theory I read, which seems plausible.
[–]Medusas__Gaze
In the very least, Cece was unconscious or drifting in and out of consciousness.
I think that truck ride to Cervi was far worse for Bella than he states in his "confessions".
[–]KayaXiali
I think so too. I think Bella is why he won’t tell the actual story. I think he put her through hell.
She tended to freak out in normal situations. Mom is in underwear and has lost control of her bowels. Sister is in a trash bag. She must have been losing it, and he probably either ignored her or just told her to shut up.
He speaks of still being so enraged when he unwrapped Shanann and left her face-down in the shallow grave.
If he was that furious the whole time, that 45-minute drive would have been torture for the poor baby.
[–]Chrissie123_28
I could swear I see Chris holding a plastic bag while loading up the truck with something the size of a small child. I have not re-watched the security camera footage it in months, but that’s what I saw, and it made sense.
There’s a lot of different cuts to that footage. But I could have sworn I saw him holding a plastic trash bag that looked heavy and the size of a child.
He was holding it while on the passenger side of the truck, pretending to load it.
Look at the video, right before he puts the gas can in truck.
At the 7:20 mark in the video above, CW walks around something as he enters the garage. From that point, change the setting and play the video at .25 speed, pausing it often to catch activity (although it will be blurry).
[–]Sparkletail
He said in the interview he had two trash bags, one for Shanann’s head and the other for her feet. Although I don’t believe a word he says about anything.
[–]KayaXiali
She was also wrapped in a sheet. Why would he have put a bag on her feet and then taken it off? That’s BS.
[–]Osiloo[S]
He wrote to a woman called Cheryln Cadle, who later published a book about him. A lot of the book is a re-hash of the stuff we already know from interviews, but there are letters from CW in there (it's called Letters from Christopher; the newest version of the book is called The Murders of Christopher Watts).
[–]Broadway2635
I think he drugged both girls before he put them to bed. If Bella was alive on the truck ride, she was probably too drowsy to speak much and question what was going on. Otherwise, I think she would have been hysterical.
[–]Medusas__Gaze
Cherlyn Cadle was the one who said Cece never spoke again and that Chris thought she had brain damage. She made that assumption after talking to Chris but he never publicly said that.
[-]magiclouge
CW's pen pal Shannon also says that CW told her that Cece was barely conscious.
[–]JaneDoeNew
He says “woke up” as opposed to “came back”, which makes me think maybe they were sleeping/drugged, and that only Bella fought back, indicating Bella was not drugged enough.
I think this is why, when the investigator asks “what happened next,” he has a hard time going on and says he can’t talk about it because “those were his babies.” Something about that part bothers him.
[-]magiclougie
Nobody died in the house, which would explain why cadaver dogs didn't hit on any remains in the house. And only Bella woke back up.
Bella, for some reason, woke back up from being drugged/sedated, and this is why she is the only one to show signs of struggling.
[–]Rodi747
This is a very interesting alternate theory. I’ve always thought the girls were both dead when he left the house. I couldn’t see anyone walking out to the truck in the footage. But it strikes me as incredibly reckless for someone who had just murdered his wife to have awakened toddlers hanging around. These children were loud—they are described as screaming for their mother when she was out of town, and the little one would run out to the street from the house or garage when unsupervised.
His description of them “walking around the house” was ridiculous. These children watched plenty of Disney movies, so they knew what dead was.
Watts is a total liar. There is no reason to believe anything he says.
I agree that there are things that happened between 2am and 5am that we will never know.
We still don’t know if he doped the girls, do we?
[–]CrazyKitty2016
Cece would have taken her pull up off if she were headed outside. I'm sure it was wet, and there's no way she would have just left the house in her wet diaper by choice.
[–]nicholepi1984
If Bella was freaking out in the car it could have also upset him.
[–]Greenboots82
He said that Shanann came between him and his family and that’s why he was so angry. I wonder what was said between him and his mom after nutgate.
[–]irielittlelizzie
Also, he had his parents, sister and NK all hyping him up on how "terrible" Shanann was before he did it. That was probably quite a boost in reaching rage level.
[–]Sparkletail
While I don’t ascribe to Chris snapping and killing them all, I think that he is incredibly out of touch with his emotions and possibly there were decades of repressed rage in there due to spending an entire life being dominated, first by his mother, then by Shanann [and, finally, by Nichol Kessinger].
Some of the things he talks about in regards to liking NK were the fact that she asked his opinions on things, asked him what he wanted to do, and let him make decisions. I’m not sure he’d experienced that before, and I think it could have led to some of his protective psychological barriers thinning, allowing him access to his anger.
He talks about not being in control of himself, like something else took over. There are psychological theories which state we all have ‘parts’ and a core self which manages. In people who are very psychologically damaged or limited, the theory is that there is no real core self to manage the various parts and that they basically take turns at being in control. It’s not as bad as multiple personality disorder, but is on a spectrum.
I have wondered if the interactions with NK brought out a usually inactive and very angry part which had been repressed and hidden for a long time.
Or, he could just be completely dead inside and saw this as the quickest way to resolve the situation, is fairly limited in the perceptions of others, and got caught earlier than he expected, which is why the whole thing is such a mess. I go between the two theories.
[–]takingheed
It can be both theories simultaneously. The working out excessively was most likely a similar situation. He was enjoying the results of getting in shape/attention at the same time as exerting control over his body/choices.
This was probably also a way of him letting off anger and rage the best way possible.
The lack of a real core self, changing environment and narcissism meant his toxic mix of parts was a ticking time bomb.
[–]Sparkletail
Yeah, it could be that the limited, dead-inside version is a part in itself. I also agree about the working out and receiving more attention as a boost to self esteem could be another activating factor (also boosted by the Thrive crap and the lack of sleep).
[–]Osiloo[S]
In the same letter, where he says "they woke back up," he does admit to premeditation:
"I walked away and said, 'That's the last time I'm going to be tucking my babies in'." He added, "I knew what was going to happen the day before and I did nothing to stop it. I was numb to the entire world."
Watts also wrote:
"August 13th, morning of, I went to the girls' room first, before Shanann and I had our argument. I went to Bella's room, then Cece's room and used a pillow from their bed. That's why the cause of death was smothering. After I left Cece's room, then I climbed back in bed with Shanann and our argument ensued.
"After Shanann had passed, Bella and Cece woke back up. I'm not sure how they woke back up, but they did. Bella's eyes were bruised and both girls looked like they had been through trauma. It makes the act that much worse knowing I went to their rooms first and knowing I still took their lives at the location [of the batteries]."Describing Shanann's death, Watts wrote:
"All the weeks of me thinking about killing her, and now I was faced with it. When she started to get drowsy, I somehow knew how to squeeze the jugular veins until it cut off the blood flow to her brain, and she passed out.
"Isn't it weird how I look back and what I remember so much is her face getting all black with streaks of mascara?
"I knew if I took my hands off of her, she would still keep me from Nikki. They asked me why she couldn't fight back. It's because she couldn't fight back. Her eyes filled with blood as she looked at me and she died. I knew she was gone when she relieved herself."
After the girls "woke back up," according to Watts:
"The girls were just kind of running around the house and watching me with scared looks on their faces. Bella started to cry and, when she did, Celeste started whimpering. What a nightmare this was."
[–]goddamitletmesleep
CW generally tries to present things in a way to make himself look better than the reality, and for this reason it never made much sense that he spoke so candidly of killing the girls twice and of having them ride alive in the truck next to their dead mother.
This is truly horrific and makes him look even worse in my opinion. It is out of character for him to admit this.
One way this admission makes sense is if he’s actually hiding something even more terrible than that, which could be that only one of the girls was alive at this time, having to ride next to her murdered mother and her murdered toddler sister, completely alone, with nobody to comfort her.
This is an even more horrifying scenario (especially if Bella had been in the bed of the truck with her mother and Cece), and I could see how Chris may think, in his warped mind, that saying both girls were alive would sound slightly better because at least they’d have been able to comfort one another.
It would also make sense as to why, according to the autopsy, there were some signs of Bella fighting back, but not Cece. Absolutely heartbreaking.
[–]Tara_ble0212
The video:
Nate's CCTV footage (videos below) is motion activated with a 10-second delay. Something triggered the camera 10 seconds beforehand for us to see the person(s) walking out of the garage.
After the triggering and 10-second delay, the camera records for 30 seconds. If motion is continually detected, then it stays on and records until motion is no longer detected.
The video released by law enforcement was spliced together to join the 30-second segments into one video, but the video is much longer than it should be (it should only be 27 minutes of his truck setting idle in his driveway), indicating that it was not properly spliced together, and it appears that nine minutes of footage is missing from the beginning (Chris opened his garage door and walked to his truck parked on the street at 5:17 AM, backed the truck into the driveway at 5:18 AM, and pulled out of the driveway at 5:46 AM).
Nate said: "This is him at 5:17!" at the start of the video. His original version has time stamps.
CCTV footage of Chris and his truck: The camera started recording before we see anyone walk out into the driveway; so, someone walked out first or something triggered the CCTV camera 10 seconds before we see the person(s) walking out of the Watts garage.
And in the first footage we see, it's actually CW walking out first and NK climbing on his back, her hair in a high ponytail (video below).
There are big gaps of activity in the driveway footage. If there is no activity, and Nate's camera is triggered to record only if it detects motion, then why is there camera footage of no activity? If we don't see Watts in the footage, what motion is the camera detecting for it to continue to record?
The time stamps:
Around the 10-minute mark: there is activity from the garage to the truck (NK climbing on CW's back as he exits the garage).
Around the 16-19-minute mark: there is more activity from the garage to the truck.
Around 24:25: headlights of a vehicle parked on the street come on as CW walks down the driveway from the garage, along the driver's side of the truck.
Around 24:50: along the passenger's side of the truck, CW walks to the garage and immediately exits the garage, with a red gas can in his left hand. He lifts it to put it into the bed of the truck. Yet, he doesn't put the gas can into the truck.
With the red gas can still in his hand and lifted, he takes it back out and then goes back toward the garage. Then he turns around and goes back toward the front of the truck, around the truck and along the driver's side, and places the red gas can into the bed of the truck. He then appears to bend at the waist to pick up something. It looks like he sets something aside, and then he returns to the garage.
Around the 26-minute mark: Chris comes from the garage and appears to put something in the bed of the truck, on the driver's side. He then comes back out of the garage and walks toward the front of the truck on the driver's side. Headlights appear to come on from a vehicle parked along the street, in front of the Watts home, and then Chris walks along the passenger side of truck and back into the garage with nothing in his hands. At the same time, you can see a light illuminate in the street, which disappears at 27:52.
Just before the 29-minute mark: Chris walks out from the garage, along the passenger side of the truck and toward the front seats. Lights from the vehicle parked along the street flash again, and then this vehicle appears to leave the area. At the same time, Chris walks along the passenger's side of the truck and enters into the garage.
At 34:03: Chris pulls his work truck out of the driveway and leaves (he left at 5:46 AM).
What if Chris parked his truck in the driveway in such a way as to block the camera's view of the vehicles on the street. What if loading the red gas can into the truck is also a distraction from other activity he is trying to hide from Nate's cameras?
In Nate's CCTV, if you watch when the headlights of Chris' truck turn on, there are clearly two sets of headlights on, initially. If you watch the direction of the lights, his headlights alone couldn't have moved in all those directions. It seems that he moves his truck in such a way as to block the camera from seeing the movement of other vehicles. It is very obvious in the original video from the discovery.
In the video below from the Oxygen special, gaps in activity have been edited out, and some of the activity is missing, such as when the CCTV is first activated. Plus, the ending footage is at the beginning.
This special on the Oxygen channel has higher resolution of Nate's CCTV footage than was provided by Weld County to citizens via FOIA.
In other words, higher resolution of this CCTV footage is in evidence but has not been shared with the public.
Screen shots from Nate's CCTV on the Oxygen channnel:
http://imgur.com/gallery/f2JKOGt
When asked by FBI Agent Graham Coder why he was so nervous watching the video in Nate’s house that morning, Chris responded that it was because he thought they could see him picking up the girls and putting them in the truck.
[–]eLizabbetty
It looks like, from Nate's video (above), there is movement from another person in the shadows. If Chris says it's the girls, then that protects the actual accomplice(s).
[–]Sonnyjesuswept
Weren’t there shadows near the truck showing Chris and possibly two other people standing there?
[–]Whenyouseeit00
Yes, I saw two shadows... I watched it over and over and over again. It didn't look like a child either.
"I believe SW was sedated and taken out through the basement, which CW said (in the porch sermon) has no cameras or alerts, and there are tire tracks. I think SW was put in the trunk of the red car, hence her position in the shallow grave. There's no indication in Nate's CCTV of him loading a body of a pregnant woman, and he knows what can be seen in Nate's CCTV since he went to check it a couple of weeks before. We also see the headlights from two different cars that morning besides CW's truck, and the red car is not neighbor Bette's car. I think SW was killed at the site and the shallow grave was because they were going to finish with the explosion later but the plan went awry because NA brought LE to the house." - superminkie (see more from superminkie in the comment section of this blog post)
On January 4, 2021, Shannon, a friend of Watts family, former penpal to CW, and friend to youtube creator the Armchair Detective, revealed Chris Watts' "real plan" (video above).
"The plan was to burn the thing down [the oil field at Cervi or the house on Saratoga Trail] but Nickole Atkinson ruined it."
This impromptu confession by Chris Watts to Shannon was triggered when she asked Chris why the green lighter was in his truck and what his plan was (a green lighter had been located in the front passenger side door panel of his work truck, and within the bed of the truck was a partially full gas can and fire extinguisher per discovery page 815/PDF file page 711):
"Like I said, Chris is kind of, in a weird way, easy to talk to, so I was, like, 'Chris, you're literally like the dumbest murder planner possible if you did this by yourself. This is so stupid. You took them to your workplace! You did a really shitty job of covering it up. You're, like, literally the worst murderer ever!' He said the plan was, he was going to go back and burn the field."
Shanann's body was in a shallow grave, approximately nine inches below the surface grade. She was in a fetal position, face down, with her arms outstretched in front of her (rigor mortis may have set in). Her chest and face primarily were facing down into the ground while her backside (buttocks) was oriented up. Her knees were pulled up to her chest at the bottom of the grave and her feet directed up towards the top of the grave. At noon on August 16, 2018, her decomposing body was exhumed from the ground and placed in a body bag. Two and four hours later, the bodies of Cece and Bella, respectively, were removed from separate oil tanks after each tank had been carefully drained of crude oil.
Chris Watts' coworker Troy McCoy was interviewed twice. His first interview was not included in the discovery files released to the public, but the handwritten notes of the detective during this interview are in the files (excerpt above). Troy said that most of the well sites on the Cervi ranch "will be plugged and abandoned." Cervi 319 has been demolished (December 2019 records show it as plugged and abandoned—it was 21 years old and a low-producing well).
By Colorado Public Radio
August 6, 2018
Anadarko Petroleum executives once again find themselves facing a legal battle related to the deadly well explosion in Firestone. A well head in a fenced-off area near the house that exploded and burned in the 6300 block of Twilight Avenue in Firestone killed two people inside the home and injured two others.Investors have re-filed a class action complaint — chock full of new details — that alleges management is responsible for lost stock value and that they were aware of safety problems at the company, but continued to cut budgets amid an oil downturn, leading to fatal consequences.Most of the new information in the amended complaint comes from a whistleblower only identified as “Former Employee 7” — a male, high-ranking superintendent with the company for 12 years, who left Anadarko just before the 2017 blast.Allegations include:Twenty-five percent of the wells received from Noble Energy in a big asset swap, that this former employee plugged, were old and dangerous. The Firestone well, known as Coors V 6-14Ji, was part of the swap.Anadarko did not know the locations of flowlines and pipelines for up to 30 percent of the wells acquired in the swap with Noble. A flowline, thought to be abandoned, pumped gas into the Firestone home, leading to the explosion. In fact, Anadarko couldn’t even locate some whole wells it acquired from Noble, let alone underground pipelines, according to the lawsuit.Before Firestone, flowlines on 80 percent of all Anadarko wells in Colorado were deemed low risk by the company and never pressure tested, “in direct violation of Colorado law.”The former employee also details Anadarko’s use of contractors to carry out inspections in the suit. These contractors, called “pumpers,” were overworked and undertrained, the unnamed source said. They had only about five minutes to conduct cursory inspections, including looking at the well and smelling for leaks. Contractors’ limited inspections would have missed odorless gas from the Firestone well, according to the court filing.Another claim is that some Anadarko wells were never even inspected. Up to five percent of all of Anadarko’s wells were missed because contractors couldn’t handle the work.The former employee said he and others repeatedly informed upper management of safety problems, but because many of the wells were old, low producers were not given priority.Anadarko wouldn’t comment on the accusations in the lawsuit.“Although there is a lot we would like to say at this time,” wrote Jennifer Brice, manager of corporate communications, in an email. “The appropriate path for us is to reserve our response for the court as part of the judicial process.”
Excerpted from an article about the Anadarko explosion of 2017 in Firestone, Colorado:
A 25-year-old Anadarko Petroleum oil and gas well and flowline caused a deadly explosion last April in Firestone, after it had been shut down for a year.
What's Changed, And What Hasn't, After The Firestone Blast?Not every active well in Colorado produces economically viable amounts of oil and gas. Many are older wells, drilled years ago, that are just a shadow of their former productive selves. Industry insiders say drillers will keep them limping along to hold the mineral rights lease attached to the well.
“A lot of times, just because of the deterioration of the flowlines and the wells themselves, they can leak and cause health problems and certainly environmental problems,” said Astrella.
He says Colorado regulators don’t have enough inspectors to properly monitor these aged wells.The state says they actually do well with the 30 field inspectors they have.“I wouldn’t think of it as a safety concern,” said Julie Murphy, director of the Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. “COGCC’s goals are to ensure that the wells drilled under any regime are adequate and safe.”It’s not clear how many old low-productivity oil and gas wells are kept active merely to hold old contracts in Colorado. Anadarko shut down 3,000 old, active wells after the Firestone explosion, and despite that, the company still had one of the most productive years in Colorado ever — suggesting there are at least thousands of wells that produce very little, yet are kept active to increase profits on some future development.
As an employee of Anadarko, Chris Watts was eligible to purchase an Accidental Death Benefit insurance policy. CW elected to purchase the Principal Sum of $500,000. CW was the “Insured,” as were Shanann, Bella and Cece as “Covered Persons” and “Covered Dependents”. The Policy specified that the Principal Sum for a Covered Dependent would be a set percentage of the Insured’s Principal Sum. The Principal Sum for SW as the spouse of CW was 60% of CW’s Principal Sum, or $300,000. The Principal Sum for Bella and Cece as Dependent Children of CW was 15% of CW’s Principal Sum, or $75,000 each. The total coverage for Shanann and the children was $450,000.
CW felt compelled to tell the police three times what he believed to be the "max" on the life insurance through Anadarko:
Detective: "What about life insurance? Do you guys have any life insurance?"
CW: "Yes, yeah, I got, ah, one for Shanann through work, and then one for both kids through work. I think Bella and Celeste was, like, a 20,000 one. I think that was the MAX you could do."
Detective: "20,000 apiece."
CW: "Yeah, I think that was the — the MAX you could do — and, like, I think Shanann's was like 50 or 100. That was the MAX you could do."
When asked about other life insurance, he went into a bit of a dither and said he didn't have a clue how much other life insurance there was, and the detective asked why he didn't know:
CW: "[Laughs] Oh, cos, cos she — she did it. She did — she did all that, like, cos, like, ah, I think um, the person who introduced us, ah, my cousin's wife, she did, like, insurance. I think she did it through her."
It is believed that CW and NK first met in 2017 at a gym or at a work conference for oil workers, a safety training meeting held on August 3, 2017, after the April 2017 explosion in Firestone (Shanann starting selling Thrive on January 25, 2016; in 2016 CW started losing weight, and in 2017 he started working out).
Nichol Kessinger deleted her google searches but some were recoverable and included google searches for "Chris Watts" on August 3, 2017, eight to nine months before she started working at Anadarko (she started in late March or early April 2018), and searches for "Shannon Watts" in January 2018 (DA Rourke clarified that these were not typos).
Shanann posted her and her family's life on facebook, and it would be easy to stalk them since her facebook page was public.
The Shanann Watts Interview, July 19, 2019, Channeling Erik
Richie greywolf wrote on March 27, 2019 at 7:19 PM:
Chris did not kill Shanann the way he said. She was killed from behind with a rear naked chokehold.
I hold a black belt in traditional Okinawan goju-ryu. When a student goes for his brown belt, we put them in a rear chokehold. If done right, the person cannot fight back. Plus, no marks to the neck.
All the people I’ve ever choked out fought back when their air was going out of their lungs. At the end, when they are fighting for air, they get stronger and squiggly. Moving fast.
When Chris said how he killed his wife, I was hell no!! She would have fought like a cat trying to stay out of water.
When you rear choke, the person can squirm and wiggle but in a few they are going out. Continue to hold the choke, they die. No marks on killer's body and very little damage to the neck and throat of the victim.
Chris did not straddle her. As soon as he had choked his wife she would have clawed him. As soon as she was terrified because she wasn’t breathing and she was strangling to death, she would have even fought more, like, as I said, a cat being put into a bath.
I have degrees in martial arts and I’m telling you he didn’t straddle her because there would have been a fierce fight. But a rear naked chokehold could be done two ways:
1. One with them facing the ground and you’re behind them and strangle them with a rear naked chokehold; or
2. You wrap your legs around them when they’re laying on their back with you underneath them and you got your legs wrapped around their arms and your rear naked chokehold.
Chris and Nichol we’re in the basement as Jim was killing SW.
That is why Bella was killed like that. Rage. She saw the killer. (Chris said to detectives: "She wasn't suppose to be there.") Daddy killed Bella in rage. The two girls were not supposed to die. SW would have been buried somewhere else.
He hated her. There was such anger. When I saw him in court, as they were talking about how he killed the children, I could see in his face the anger, blaming her. It was all her fault. Watch and see.
If you really think he killed his wife by straddling her and him choking her and he didn’t have scratch marks on his f****** arms, on his face, then your f****** a moron.
She was killed with a rear naked chokehold either lying on her stomach or the person wrapped his legs around her and put her in one, and there was nothing left to do but slowly apply pressure and take her breath away and keep it held until she passes out; and keep it held until she dies (no need to crush the larynx or anything.)
Janice Duhan wrote on youtube:
OK, if NK was there that morning, helping him do it, then this all makes sense.
He seems like he was sort of autistic, Asperger syndrome, perhaps, or at least on the spectrum (coworkers called him Rain Man because of a photographic memory, yet he expresses himself poorly).
He was easily controlled and influenced by the women around him. If he’s highly suggestible, and he seems to be, NK probably convinced him that he was unhappy in his marriage and guided him to get rid of his family. He even said that it was like someone else was controlling him as he was doing it.
NK took advantage of CW’s weaknesses for her own advantage because she wanted the life that Shanann had. Chris even said that if his wife and kids hadn’t gone to North Carolina for those six weeks then none of this would’ve happened.
Is he really that weak-minded that he couldn’t be left at home alone for a few weeks without Shanann guiding him every day to keep him out of horrible trouble? Apparently so.
We cannot view CW as a normal person because he clearly is not, evidence by the unfathomable actions he took towards his family.
His own father wouldn’t even acknowledge the situation and preferred to talk about sports because, as CW said, “maybe he’d figured it out.”
So, it seems like his family sort of knew how CW really was. His weakness was preyed upon by NK, and he became a mindless killing machine for her purposes, even getting him to totally take the blame.
He’s an extremely dangerous person no matter how you look at it. There’s no rational explanation for what he did otherwise.
Either this or the Thrive Burn patches drastically messed with his brain chemistry.
I cannot wait for the day when NK is held accountable for her part in these murders. We are waiting CBI and FBI, please take action soon.
Jan-Thurgood wrote on reddit:
On mylife.com, Dwayne Kessinger's stated religion is Wiccan (Dwayne is Nichol's father). It seems that Wiccan is a common religion in the Kessinger family. Even a company called Kessinger publishing, owned by Roger Kessinger, publishes a lot of Wiccan and satanic books.
What gets me is Dwayne Kessinger, Nichol's father, actually controlled the interview and kept saying, "If Chris confesses to this and pleads guilty, basically, is this the end of the case?"
It’s like DK knew exactly what to do so his daughter would not get in trouble for anything.
DK was up to his neck in involvement with the FBI in getting Chris to plead guilty, and Chris did.
DK was very adamant about wanting to "pound it down until there's nothing left."
Was there a threat to Chris or Chris’s family to hurry and shut up and plead guilty, no trial? This was one of the strangest things about the case to me.
Below are Nichol Kessinger's phone records (all calls from and to Jim are in yellow and all calls from and to Chris are in blue). Kessinger worked at the Anadarko office in Platteville.
On murder Monday, she made a call at 6:16 AM to Jim, which was serviced by a tower in Frederick.
Her next call that day, August 13th, wasn't until 2:28 PM, which was serviced by a tower in Platteville.
On the day of the murders, NK could have been in the Watts home when the Vivint security system alerted to the interior garage door being opened at 12:42 PM, right before Nickole Atkinson left the property to drive to Shanann's doctor's office (Nickole was at the Watts home from 12:20-12:47 PM, drove to Shanann's doctor's office, and returned to the Watts home at 1:13 PM).
Nichol Kessinger did not clock in at work on August 13th (she was just an independent contractor so her face-to-face comings and goings were not closely monitored or readily apparent); she clocked out at 3 PM, right after making two phone calls from the office (one at 2:28 PM and another at 2:35 PM) to her spiritual counselor or advisor, 73-year-old Robert of Ordo Templi Orientis. [Source]
Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO, 'Order of the Temple of the East' or 'Order of Oriental Templars') is an occult initiatory organization founded at the beginning of the 20th century. Originally it was intended to be modeled after and associated with European Freemasonry, such as Masonic Templar organizations, but under the leadership of Aleister Crowley, OTO was reorganized around Crowley's Thelema as its central religious principle. One of the major features and core teachings of the organization is its practice of sex magic. Similar to many secret societies, OTO membership is based on an initiatory system with a series of degree ceremonies that use ritual drama. [Source]
The Thelemic religion was founded by Aleister Crowley? August 12th is a sacred holiday for those in the Ordi Templi Oreintis (OTO) called “night of the prophet and his bride,” celebrating the marriage of Aleister and his wife. He believed in magic and sacrifice, satanic beliefs, etc. August 12, 2018 was their 115th year anniversary for this “holiday” they have. In sacrifices, Crowley states that it’s better to sacrifcie those that are male and of complete innocence. Nico may have been the main target of this crime if this was a ritual, and the girls were added "innocence."
This Sunday, August 12, will be the 115th Feast for the First Night of the Prophet and his Bride. Rose [Edith Kelly] and Aleister Crowley married on August 12 1903, allowing her to escape an arranged marriage. This marriage, first of convenience, led to what would turn out to be one of the most important events in Crowley’s life — the writing of the Book of the Law. Rose and Aleister had two children, Nuit Ma Ahathoor Hecate Sappho Lilith (born 1904, died 1906) and Lola Zaza (born 1906). Rose and Aleister divorced in 1909. [Source]
Aleister Crowley is best remembered for writing in 1928 in Magick in Theory and Practice that the most potent invocation involves human sacrifice, that the ideal victim is “a male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence,” and that he had performed this rite an average of 150 times per year since 1912.
SuperHero LOVES Akita’s wrote on youtube:
I submit to you the thought that ALL the things that are not in Watts FOIA are in a case file for accomplices:
Kessinger's 152 PAGES of text messages
Watts texts, recovered
The ‘hair’ from NK’s alleged bald spots.
Possible latent fingerprints
Are Watts' foot and hand impressions in his FOIA?
The feet impressions from CERVI?
There are ties between Kessinger and the OTO cult. I have screenshots before it was taken off their website and before I gave them to FBI. After I gave it to FBI, the cult scrubbed it from their 08-12-18 online calendar and EVERY year forward AND back. And they scrubbed it from their FB page.
OTO = Ordo Templi Orientis. They have a website and one of their locations is in Denver, CO.
On August 10th, the day CW took off from work because the girls' daycare was closed and Shanann had flown to Arizona early that morning, there were strangely no phone calls at all between NK and CW or NK and Jim, which could be because they were all together.
Immediately after the two back-to-back phone calls between NK and Robert on August 13th, which she made from Anadarko's office in Platteville, NK sent a text to CW about cereal in order to make herself look ‘unaware’ of what was happening with CW’s missing family.
In theory, when seeking advise from Robert on the afternoon of August 13th, one of the things he may have said to her were words to the effect, "Make yourself look innocent," because right after talking to Robert she sent CW the text about Unicorn Lucky Charms cereal. She then left the Anadarko office and went to meet Jim at her apartment.
NK's phone records for August 12th:
At 8:46 AM, from home or near her home, she calls Chris, and they talk for 30 minutes.
At 11:30 AM, from home or near her home, she calls Jim, and they have a brief conversation or she leaves a voice message.
At 5:24 PM, from home or near her home, she calls Jim, and they talk for two minutes.
At 9:28 PM, Chris calls Nichol and they have an 111-minute conversation.
NK's phone records for August 13th:
At 6:16 AM, from Frederick, she calls Jim, and they have a brief conversation or she leaves a message.
At 2:28 PM, she receives a call while she's at Anardarko's office in Platteville or near that location.
At 2:35 PM, she receives another call while she's at Anardarko's office in Platteville or near that location.
At 3:32 PM, on her way home from work, she calls Jim, and they have a six-minute conversation.
At 4:48 PM, at home, she receives a call and talks for four minutes.
At 5:01 PM, at home, she checks her voicemail.
At 5:02 PM, at home, she calls Chris, and they talk for one minute or she leaves a voice message.
At 9:48 PM, at home, she receives a call from Chris, and they talk for 50 minutes.
At 11:09 PM, at home, she calls Chris, and they talk for 52 minutes.
TEXT MESSAGES TO SHANANN'S PHONE ON 8/13/2018:
2:01 AM (group text from NA, also sent to SW, saying "we are home" — received by SW's phone)
7:40 AM (staged text from CW, "If you take the kids somewhere please let me know where they are at!" — received by SW's phone — her phone was still powered on) — this was CW trying to frame Shanann, even before any police involvement, by sending a fabricated text to his dead wife asking where she took the kids, who he had just shoved (or witnessed being shoved) into oily graves.
8:25 AM (staged call from CW to SW, duration 23 seconds — at 8:26 Watts searched the internet for Primrose school and then called the school — at 10:10 he searched the internet for the lyrics to "Battery")
8:43 AM (text from NA — missing from SW's phone — not listed in discovery as one of the calls received after SW's phone was powered on at 2:14 PM)
8:55 AM (text from NA — the first text that came through from NA when SW's phone was powered on at 2:14 PM — meaning the phone was powered off at the time this text was sent)
9:21 AM (text from NA — received after the phone was powered on at 2:14 PM)
11:46 AM (text from NA — received after the phone was powered on at 2:14 PM)
12:47 PM (text from NA — received after the phone was powered on at 2:14 PM)
The 2:01 AM text from NA and the 7:40 AM text from CW were received by SW's phone, which indicates her phone was still powered on.
We know at some point after 7:40 AM, SW's phone was powered off — this is because, when it was powered on at 2:14 PM, it indicated there were missed calls and texts.
The missed calls included one from Sandy. The missed texts also included all of the texts from NA starting after 8:43 AM: the 8:43 AM text from NA was not included among these texts. [NA had an android phone and not an iPhone like SW, so this could be a factor.]
What does this mean? It appears that CW's accomplice, who was in the Watts home when he was at Cervi on August 13th, powered off SW's phone at the time of the 8:43 AM text from NA because this is when she realized she was locked out of SW's phone (due to SW changing the passcode) and, therefore, she couldn't execute their plan and pretend to be Shanann by replying to texts from friends and family, and by replying to texts from CW and answering his phone calls to SW's phone to lure his already deceased wife to Cervi.
When asked by Cadle why he left SW's phone at home, he told her he forgot it. But this is another one of Chris' lies. The phone had to be left at the Watts home with his accomplice (NK) because she was going to pretend to be Shanann for the day of August 13, 2018.
If Chris brought the phone with him to Cervi he couldn't stage test messages and phone calls to Shanann because the pings for Shanann's phone would pinpoint its location at Cervi.
The plan was to have his accomplice (NK), who was inside the Watts home when NK arrived at 12:20 PM on August 13th, reply to text messages from friends and family in order to buy time so they could execute their planned explosion.
According to the murder plan, the accomplice (NK), pretending to be Shanann, was going to use Shanann's keys to drive the Lexis to Cervi and, of course, the children would be with her (had they, along with their mother, not already been taken to Cervi early that morning).
The reason why Shanann would be driving to Cervi was either:
(1) to confront Chris about the Lazy Dog charge of $62 for dinner on August 11th and accuse him of having an affair; or
(2) to bring Chris his new work boots (that were found in the covered storage area in the back of the Lexus) because he spilled oil on the ones he was wearing when he left the house that morning.
1. Shanann's flight was delayed by three hours.
2. Shanann changed the passcode to her cell phone without Chris' knowledge, so his accomplice couldn't reply to messages from Chris, friends and family (it appears they did not realize this until NA's first text at 8:43 AM).
3. Because Shanann wasn't replying to her text messages, Nickole Atkinson showed up at the house at 12:20 PM on August 13th, and the accomplice had to escape out of a basement window before NA returned at 1:13 PM and called the police for a wellness check.
Detectives asked Chris about the basement:
Tammy: You had a lot of steps, I’ll just say that.
Chris: So, like the basement, I’m not really sure. The only thing I really have down there is my work out — the bench press and what not.
Tammy: Do you remember going down there for anything or opening that door for anything? Did you think about, “Well maybe I’ll take her out that way”? Is it a walkout basement? I wasn’t at your house.
Chris: No, it’s like a garden level basement. But I don’t remember really. I don’t think I worked out that morning.
Tammy: Like, were you packing your lunch in the kitchen. Did you have to do all that normal stuff?
Chris: Yeah, oh yeah, I packed a lunch and everything, did all that. I don’t remember about the basement or anything unless, if I worked out that morning and I just don’t remember — I don’t think I did. Unless there was a trash bag down there.
Tammy: Oh, you get trash bags from there?
Chris: Maybe I did. Maybe there wasn’t any in the garage and I went down there and got one.
Jim was never a potential alibi for NK. Let's discuss the elephant in the interview room..."Just leave Jim alone".
I thought it was weird that Jim (who lived in Denver) was/is referred to as some sort of alibi for NK but... he supposedly only arrived Monday afternoon and LE wasn't allowed to "drag him into it." (If he was any kind of alibi for NK, wouldn't LE have included that info in the discovery?)
Fifteen minutes into her first interview (August 15th), NK says: "Monday afternoon I came home from work. I was...I actually had a friend over at my house...who is not...involved or knows any thing about this...at all...but like...I went up to meet up with a friend."
It turns out Jim has a key to NK's apartment and was supposedly there waiting for her after work that day.
Jim is described as a close family friend whom her dad has known for years.
It's also worth mentioning that in the weeks prior to the murders NK's phone history shows she repeatedly called Jim-then CW-then called Jim back or called CW-then Jim-then called CW right back.
Let's take a closer look at NK arriving home on Monday to "meet up" with her good buddy:
"I got home to meet my buddy...one of my good friends was coming over to my house. And he actually has a key to my house...he was actually there when I got there. So Jim came over and I got home...he was there...he had just, like, walked in the door and umm... I remember briefly, after he got there, I checked my texts...I mean...briefly after I met up with Jim I, like, glanced at my texts."
This all sounds strangely suspicious. (I mean...actually... went to meet up with but at my house... after I got there but before I was home... umm.)
When LE asked if they can have Jim's contact info, NK infamously says:
"He is not involved, he does not know about this, no no no no no, nothing, absolutely not, he does not need to be dragged into this, just leave Jim alone, just leave Jim alone, I don't want to involve him, it wouldn't be fair to him."
On handing over a particular text from Jim, NK says:
"Umm...I probably still have that text, cause I don't have any reason to delete those."
Yep, that's not suspicious.
I don't have a clue what Jim's role in NK's life or these events was but he is not even remotely close to an alibi for her.
NK's actual alibi: Did you see him (CW) on Sunday? She replies:
"What did I do the rest of the day? I came home...I think I might have just chilled at my house. I don't remember. I think I cleaned my house...I don't know. I didn't see him though."
US oil giant Chevron to buy Anadarko for $33 billion
By BroadDrained.com
Chevron said the deal will strengthen the US oil giant's exploration and production holdings in its home market
Chevron said it will acquire smaller US rival Anadarko for $33 billion in a deal that strengthens the US oil giant's exploration and production holdings in its home market.
The cash-and-stock transaction is centered on Anadarko's properties in the Permian Basin in Texas and the Gulf of Mexico.
These are two areas where Chevron is already a big player and where economies of scale can help drive value with suppliers and in key drilling and production operations.
Anadarko also has a handful of overseas ventures, including a major liquefied natural gas project in Mozambique that Chevron said would help bolster one of Chevron's major global businesses.
"This transaction builds strength on strength for Chevron," said Chevron's chief executive Mike Wirth.
"The combination of Anadarko's premier, high-quality assets with our advantaged portfolio strengthens our leading position in the Permian, builds on our deepwater Gulf of Mexico capabilities and will grow our LNG business," the CEO stated.
For Chevron, the second-biggest US oil company after Exxon Mobil, the takeover of Anadarko marks its biggest deal since its purchase of Texaco, which closed in 2001.
In another transaction, Chevron in 2005 bought Unocal for $18.3 billion after raising the price during a high-profile bidding war with China's CNOOC that drew interest from lawmakers in Washington.
The acquisition is composed of 75% stock and 25% cash, with Anadarko shareholders receiving 0.39 shares of Chevron and $16.25 in cash for each Anadarko share held.
By combining the companies, Chevron expects to cull $1 billion in costs.
The oil giant will also "high grade" its portfolio and sell off some $15 billion to $20 billion of assets.
In 2018, Chevron had $42.4 billion in revenues and pumped 3.1 million barrels oil-equivalent per day, above the level of most members of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries.
Anadarko had $13.4 billion in revenues last year and pumped 666,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day.
Anadarko is perhaps best known for being a minority partner on BP's ill-fated Macondo project in Gulf of Mexico, the site of the worst offshore oil spill in US history in 2010 following a well explosion that killed 11 people.
Anadarko in October 2011 transferred its interest in Macondo to BP as part of a settlement that resolved claims between the two companies.
Larry Tanoury (videos above and below), a former politician in New York, states that his friend, who worked for DA Michael Rourke at the time, said Rourke was told by Colorado senator Ken Buck to shut the case down. Anadarko, had powerful political ties, and the case was shut down at their request (they called in a favor to Ken Buck).
According to Larry's source, NK was involved in another affair with a powerful person, an Anadarko executive (who she would have called on 8/13/18 when the shit hit the fan), and if NK got taken down for the Watts' murders, it would have exposed this other affair, which is why there couldn't be a trial and prosecution. What probably started as someone trying to save their marriage/position turned into a huge cover up that shut down a quadruple homicide before it could even be investigated properly.
The coverup of NK's involvement was a favor granted by Senator Buck through DA Rourke for a high-ranking Anadarko executive. This coverup was about a $38 million deal: Anadarko was in talks with Chevron and ultimately merged with Occidental on August 8, 2019 (Anadarko’s top six executives received $300 million in payouts).
Around the 1:28:45 mark in a video on Zav Girl's channel, Larry Tanoury explains (video embedded above):
"The real question is: What was going on at the county DA's office in order to make sure that, despite not even confessing (actually, in his original confession, he blamed Shanann for killing the girls), yet an hour after that, they released the entire crime scene? That doesn't happen unless there's a reason for it. That doesn't just happen in a vacuum. This person who originally told me this — BTW, this person, a good friend of mine, doesn't even talk to me anymore because they're so upset that I've been talking, and, so, it's come at a personal cost that I've even said anything — they just thought it was a conversation with a friend that just was chat — But, I've fought as a legislature. I used to fight corruption. I can't take it. And when I heard that the former District Attorney, before Rourke, who is now the congressman, Ken Buck, had a meeting with Rourke and some big executive from Anadarko, right after Chris did his original confession. Then Rourke came out and told the entire office: Nobody's to discuss this, it's over, it's done, and any public comments — nothing is to be said unless it goes through me. And there's other stuff too that I've learned, and I've talked about it publicly. These are things that were told to me by a source who had nothing to gain and, actually, they're very mad that I've said something. But, there was other stuff that they told me. They kept saying that there's tons of information, about, that Chris was not the only one she was having an affair with. She was having an affair with someone apparently high up at Anadarko. Whether that's why they covered it up, I don't know. All I can tell you is what I do know and what I have found out, but I believe that that's where it stems from, whether it's explosion, whether it's all these theories — I don't even try to get into the theories — I just really want to focus on uncovering the cover up and the corruption. And I think once that happens, a spotlight nationally (mainstream media, everybody) is going to come onto this case, and I think the floodgates will open. And certain people will start coming forward who are scared right now to tell the truth. I really want to solve it. I don't want us to be just talking about it for years. I want to find out what happened. Some of the things that were found but are not in discovery... if they want to do something, they have to sue and get the rest of discovery. They found way more on Chris' phone. They found pictures of proof of it. But I don't know who the other person was or anything, I have no idea. I don't think he [Larry's friend] even knew. They all knew. They used to laugh about it in the office, jokingly (Anadarko had the kind of money to make things go away). But when the discovery came out, none of that's there. None of it's there about her affair with the other guy. They'll probably say, 'Well, it wasn't relevant to the case'. Why did you hide it from the discovery? He says they apparently had GPS from her phone, not just the ping. This person said that even investigators are, to this day, troubled by how stymied they were by the DA. They weren't even sharing information with the FBI. I heard Coder is still upset. This is what I heard... There're a lot of familial relationships among these players, even on youtube... This person that I talked to, who was involved in the case, also believes that NK was in the house, based on evidence. He knows that they did have GPS showing exactly where NK was that morning, and her GPS put her right within feet of the house. That is what I was told, and I have no reason to question it."
According to her resume, prior to contracting with Anadarko through Tasman Geosciences, Nichol Kessinger worked for Halliburton, one of the world's largest oil field service companies. Dick Cheney was Secretary of Defense in 1991 when he created a contract vehicle for, and gave contracts to, Halliburton that resulted in millions of dollars of revenue. After leaving the administration, Cheney served as CEO of Halliburton from 1995 to 2000. Then he became Vice President and Halliburton was awarded hundreds of millions of dollars of non-competitive contracts as part of the Gulf War in 2003.
In NK's 8/16/18 interview, she gave advice to CW that should have been given to SW when she returned home from the airport at 1:48am on 8/13/18. And what she told him indicates she was in the Watts home at 1:48 AM on August 13th when Shanann came home because she didn't want Chris to be alone with Shanann.
You know what I would do? I was, like, I would ask one of your good friends who’s off of work tomorrow, to come over to this house and hang out with you while you’re here. I was, like, and go park your truck down the street — I was, like, so she’s upset at you and she wants to come back. I was, like, but she doesn’t want to be here if you’re here, maybe? I was, like, if she comes back, I was, like, and she doesn’t see your truck, maybe she’d be more willing to come in the house. I’m like, you know? I’m like, but don’t be alone with her. I was, like, because if she’s upset enough to leave, I was, like, you don’t know what kinda confrontation you’re gonna have when you get back in the house. And I was, like, so that’s why you should have a friend there — so that you’re not alone with her. And I was, like, and if, for some reason, you are alone with her, I told him — I was, like — I really thought she just left. I did. I was, like, get your phone, put it on video, and put it in your pocket. And I was, like, and just zip it up. And he’s, like, “Why?” And I told him. I was, like, cause you can voice record. I was, like, so if she comes home, I was, like, and you two are still, like, you know — if there’s some choice words being said because you guys obviously got into, like, something that’s, you know — I told him, like, just be prepared. You know, ‘cause at this point, like, it wasn’t, like, I was, like, tryin’ to make her to be a bad person. It was just, like, I didn’t know what was going on. I assumed that she had left, so I was, like, well, when you get back — because I knew that they were going through a divorce — it was, like, just cover your bases, you know, try not to be alone; and if you are, just record what you guys are talking about, so, like, at the end of the day, like, nothing bad happens to you, you know? And, like, that was kinda how I processed that whole situation. And so, um, he was, like, “All right.” And then, uh, she didn’t come home that night.
https://www.truecrimechat.org/2019/03/25/chris-watts-mistress-nicholes-interviews-and-transcripts/ (page 88)
CW and NK Interview Strategies — Alibis, Lies, Transposing Contexts (Theory)
By WaimeaBay
November 2, 2020
Plunder Channel recently released the previously redacted audio portion of NK’s August 16th interview with Kevin Kobak and Tim Martinez.
It’s been commented on by many how both CW and NK seem to piece together much of their stories by taking portions of conversations and events and placing them within another context.
There have been portions of this interview where I’ve always found NK’s comments extremely bizarre and out of place to the rest of the conversation.
One of those portions is her overly-detailed explanation to LE on the directions she gave to CW about moving his truck. Supposedly, for the reason that if Shan’ann were to come home, she would more likely enter the home if she didn’t see his truck. Her reasoning makes no sense because, up to this point, everyone, including her, has vouched for CW’s non violent nature.
This theory ties into another theory I have of Shan’ann being ambushed shortly after she entered her home at 1:48am on Monday, August 13th, 2018.
I believe NK’s instructions to CW were actually the instructions she gave him during the (emotional) 111-minute phone call they had on Sunday night, immediately after finding out about Shan’ann’s three-hour flight delay. There would be no time to waste. In fact, they would need to hit the ground running, as they would be starting out three hours behind, with only three hours remaining to have all three bodies safely dispatched at Cervi 3-19 before the first field personnel arrived.
I believe if you distill NK’s words describing what she told CW, the essence is: Don’t be alone with her.
NK actually said these words.
Shan’ann would be more willing to enter the home if she doesn’t see an unfamiliar truck parked outside.
Have a friend there with you for reinforcements should things get out of hand, that way you’ll cover your bases and ‘nothing bad’ will happen to you.
A couple final observations. In this interview, NK tells a rambling story to Kobak about the baby not being CW’s. A couple times she loses her place, or realizes she’s reached an area she shouldn’t continue with. That’s also why she can never answer a question that is posed to her out of order from her script. That’s the reason she often tells Kobak, “I’ll get there. We’re not there yet”.
ETA 1: I’ve noticed NK has a nervous tic that kicks in when she’s stressed. She hits the table with either her knuckles or the palm of her hand to emphasize what she’s saying.
ETA 2: NK losing her place in the story about the baby not being CW’s is the second time she’s lost her place in a story or reached an area where she’s about to implicate herself or is adlibbing and runs out of places to go next with her story. The first time we saw her do this was when the firestick was mentioned to Kobak and the IT specialist.
The leak could wait until Monday; the “fire stick” couldn’t. Yet, he must get out there ASAP on Monday. Which is it? No big deal? Or big deal?
Shannon (or is this really NK) wrote on November 10, 2018:
"This is and was not a TV Show. It was a Family being Exposed because Shanann was more interested in HER. She was Number 1 in this family. Just maybe if she had paid Attention to her Husband and Kids, and the Dynamics in her Life, this could have been solved in a more appropriate manner. I believe Chris grew to Hate her, dispise her over time. Maybe he wanted Total freedom…no Baggage… No one can think what he was thinking and feeling. This is how he dealt with his Situation. Is it right….or was it wrong. There were many warnings, interesting how None of her Family or Friends, Spoke up. Maybe they too….. were afraid."
"When Bella was a baby, Shanann woke up one night and Chris wasn't in bed. She found him standing over Bella's crib with a pillow. It scared her enough where she said, "Get the f*ck away from my baby." He tried to say he was sleep walking. She texted his family about it. I have heard this story and seen the screen shots direct from his family member. I bet if we searched we would find a lot of stories like this throughout his life. He also hid a huge rage problem. He was quiet but simmering with rage. I think the girls saw it and that's why they clung to Shanann." - Unmasked, December 30, 2020 (Comment Section)
Sunflowers - a symbol of Gaia’s belief system
Posted by WaimeaBay
On the morning of the murders, Chris Watts took a picture of wild sunflowers after disposing of the bodies and sent it to Nichol Kessinger.
I’ve been doing a little research on the significance of the sunflower in the Gaia belief system. I was prompted to look into this after Shannon, the Watts’ family friend, admitted to the Armchair Detective on youtube that Jamie Watts had indeed gotten a sunflower tattoo.
What I’ve discovered is that the sunflower is a very important part of the symbolism representing Gaia’s belief system. I will include a reference below so you can read online and confirm for yourselves.
For context, a Christian symbol representing a cornerstone belief would be the cross of Christ or a dove. A dove is a symbol of the Holy Spirit.
Shannon’s admission to AD that Jamie had gotten a sunflower tattoo on her arm alerted me that she might be trying to show support of NK, since we know NK loved sunflowers.
Google this: sunflowers and Gaia
A Google book will come up several items down in the search results.
‘Gaia’s Sacred Chakras’ by Margaret Bertulli. Click on the link and it will take you to page #55 of the book which explains the significance of the sunflower in the Gaia belief system.
A chakra, according to Merriam-Webster, is any of several points of spiritual energy in the human body according to yoga philosophy.
Questions to ask:
Why did Jamie choose that particular flower to have tattooed on her arm?
Had Jamie and NK met at some point?
If they had met, could that be one of the reasons that Jamie refused to be questioned by detectives?
I also heard a few months back, I believe it was from AD, that there were three ladies who had all gotten sunflower tattoos at around the same time. Two of them were Jamie Watts and Anna, CW’s first female prison pen pal. I cannot recall who the third woman was.
"I had to watch it a second time with the brightness on full to see the piggyback bit [and high ponytail]. I could always see her walking out. I can see exactly what you’re alleging. I don’t think I could be persuaded to think she had nothing to do with the murders with every bit of evidence that has come to light. This isn’t going away any time soon. NK must be shitting bricks, unless the corruption is so deep, she knows she’ll never get arrested for it, and she’s out there with a new face or something as equally insane, living amongst us. As long as she keeps her mouth shut, she’ll be right. That vocal fry of hers will give her away every time." - Comment by No Shit Shurlock (images above and video below).
"I contacted the Frederick Police Department and researched who handles this specific case, which is the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. I emailed 4 people, including the chief in charge, the person in charge of media, and 2 investigators, with no reply from anyone. Odd to say the least. I don't see them ever giving any more attention to the case due to the amount of publicity they already have been involved in. To be honest, I wanted their email response to be included in this video. I started this in October and still have not received any response." - Reply by creator Mabeline Rose (videos below)
Christopher Watts' INTERVIEW at 7:08 PM on August 14, 2018 (before he confessed and before the bodies were discovered)
3332 A: B and C. Celeste, she’d rampage. She was always the one that was gung ho,
3333 she was always the one that’s just like she’s o- she’s either go or asleep. She’s
3334 always the one growling, she’s - she’s always been - she’s a tiger. And Bella,
3335 she’s the calm, the mothering one. She’s the one that’s always are you okay?
3336 You okay? Fine? Okay. She’s just - she’s just the sweetest little girl, she’s the
3337 one that favors me more than Celeste, who’s the one that [favors] Shanann more.
3338 In the way I look at it. You see some baby pictures of me and Bella, she’s like
3339 (unintelligible) the other way around for, uh, Celeste.
3340
3341 Q: When you say favored you, you mean look like?
3342
3343 A: Yes.
3344
3345 Q: Oh. Okay. Are they little daddy’s girl?
3346
3347 A: That one is.
3348
3349 Q: Yeah. That’s how it works, isn’t it?
3350
3351 A: Because the first one I wasn’t really good at it yet. Second one I knew what I
3352 was doing, and she bonded with me. Right from the start.
3974 A: And then they’ll stay at school usual ‘til about four o’clock, 4:30. I’ll usually
3975 be home by then, I can go pick them up. I go in there, sign them out, get in the
3976 car, drive back. They’ll be screaming the whole way because they want
3977 mommy.
3978
3979 Q: Mm-hm.
3980
3981 A: Because that’s - they do have a long day at school.
3982
3983 Q: Mm-hm.
3984
3985 A: And I get home, Shanann will have something for the girls, being whatever
3986 they want it to be. Might be pizza, sometimes they want French fries,
3987 sometimes they want chicken nuggets, sometimes they’re bossy, just like...
3988
3989 Q: Mm-hm.
3990
3991 A: ...just whatever. Most time they have butter noodles, they love that.
3992
3993 Q: Okay.
3994
3995 A: So sit ‘em at - w- wash their hands, sit ‘em at the table. And they’ll eat their
3996 dinner. And then usually go upstairs, take a shower, the get them all washed
3997 up, get them dried off, get some lotion, get their pajamas on, back downstairs,
3998 have a little night time snack they’ll take any - you know, Cheez-Its.
3999
4000 Q: Okay.
4001
4002 A: A wafer or something...
4003
4004 Q: Mm.
4005
4006 A: ...like that. And they’ll sit in their little couches and they’ll watch a cartoon
4007 until about seven o’clock and then between 6:30 and 7:00 we’re giving them
4008 the medicine and any medicine they need at that point in time. If one of them
4009 has a fever...
4010
4011 Q: Okay.
4012
4013 A: ...whatever else. And then brush their teeth, upstairs, (Cece) gets an overnight
4014 diaper, Bella doesn’t, and read ‘em a book. (Cece) really wants a, uh, tiger -
4015 the tiger book.
4016
4017 Q: Mm-hm.
4018
4019 A: I read that to her, we growl at the last part.
4020
4021 Q: Mm-hm.
4022
4023 A: Turn the rain machines on, put...
4024
4025 Q: Is that - is that what you said, she’s your tiger?
4026
4027 A: Yes.
4028
4029 Q: And there comes mine?
4030
4031 A: Yes.
4032
4033 Q: Okay.
4034
4035 A: And turn the rain machines on, give them both a kiss goodnight, (Cece) wants
4036 me to put her to bed, Bella wants Shanann to put her to bed and close the door
4037 and night, night.
4514 Q: I wouldn’t be doing my job if I didn’t grill you a little bit, right? Okay.
4515
4516 A: I’ve seen you turn into two different guys, like. Honestly like I’ve seen like
4517 where you’re smiling and I’ve seen where it’s - it’s different.
4415 A: Uh, she told me she wanted me to wake her up before I left. That’s why I - I didn’t
4416 just wake her up, like just to tell her this. Like I woke her up, that’s what she
4417 wanted to do, and we talked. Like usually at 4:00 am I wake up, I go down and
4418 work out. This day I wanted to talk to her about this. I love these girls. I love
4419 these girls so much. And this picture right here, Celeste and Bella, those are
4420 my life. I helped make those kids. There’s nothing in my life that means more
4421 to me than these kids. Nothing. Kids, that’s - that’s your life, that’s your
4422 lifeline. That’s everything that - you make kids, they’re - they come first over
4423 anything. Kids, spouse, family. That’s what it’s always been.
4424
4425 Q: Nothing you’ve told me tonight makes sense. Nothing you’ve told me tonight
4426 feels like the truth. Can we start over?
Nichol Kessinger's first interview was on August 15th, in the park with her dad and dog.
Her second interview, this one at the police station, was on August 16th.
During this second interview, two days after Chris told FBI agent Coder that his children were his "lifeline", Nichol used the same word, lifeline, to describe what the children meant to Chris. "My kids are my life," is a common expression, not "My kids are my lifeline." Did they rehearse what they were going to say when they communicated on August 13th and 14th?
Nichol talking about Chris: I bet you I can call him right now and he'd answer. Everything we did was my idea. He didn't care what it was, he just wanted to be with me.
Nichol Kessinger's First Interview on 8/15/2018 (26-minute mark in video below):
She lies and says she has only been to the Watts home once, on July 14th, which is when she saw a picture of Shanann with one of her kids... "You've got a beautiful wife and she's the mother of two of your kids. You already have all of this stuff. You already have the house, the car, and the kids, and the marriage and the wife. Are you sure you don't want to fix that?... Just being in that house made me feel like he should try to fix that." This is the day that Chris said he had to talk NK "off the ledge" because "she would get worked up about nothing" (she left the home and went outside to her truck, texting him, and he finally talked her into coming back inside).
Nichol Kessinger's First Interview on 8/15/2018 (35-minute mark in video below):
"I think he's a really good guy, and I'm worried about his wife and kids. Like, really worried about his wife and kids. Like, I don't know where they are! You don't know where they are! Nobody knows where they're at! And it's freaky me out, because those little girls are, like, they're so little! And she's pregnant, you know. And, it's like, Where's their mom! Where are these babies. And it makes me sad."
It sounded like she rehearsed what she was going to say because she says the same thing, almost word for word, in all of her interviews. That alone means it was scripted... "They're so liiiiiddddddle!" And hissing, she's "preeegggnnaaanttt."
When Chris and Nichol are lying, they use "like" a lot.
Nichol Kessinger's Second Interview on 8/16/2018 (video below):
"Oh, those little girls. They’re so little. They’re so little...so sad, and she’s pregnant. And - and wo - on our end, we didn’t... God, they’re so cute. They’re so little. Like, wow. Why? Why? Why? Why? How? I don’t even understand how you could, like, bring yourself to do that to somebody who’s, like, that big. Oh, Jesus."
INTERVIEW WITH NICHOL KESSINGER ON AUGUST 16, 2018
Interviewer: Agent Kevin Koback, Agent Tim Martinez
Page 105
4689 Q: S- so that brings me to a question real quick. I mean, you got - you - I don’t
4690 think anybody over the last six or eight weeks knows this dude better than -
4691 than you. I really don’t. You guys probably spent more time together than
4692 anybody.
4693
4694 A: Mm-hm.
4695
4696 Q: Um, conversation, whatever. Relationship. Um, what do you think - the -
4697 what’s the catalyst for this event? Do you have any - have you had - and I - I
4698 know it’s a hard question but I wanna get it out now we’re here. If - if there’s
4699 a thought that you have, um, that might lead us to understand a little bit why
4700 he might’ve done something like this, um - like I said, I don’t - I met Chris on
4701 - on Wednesday. Um, so I don’t know Chris. Not like you do.
4702
4703 A: Um, you know, I’ve thought about this. And sometimes I think to myself if I
4704 wasn’t in that man’s life, would his family still be alive? And I’ve thought
4705 about this a lot. And I think I can give myself different responses. But in all
4706 honesty, I think they might be alive but not permanently. I do not think that
4707 this man just snapped. I don’t think that he just met some fuckin’ amazing
4708 woman and he was just gonna try to fuckin’ murder his family and then think
4709 that I was okay with, like, building a relationship with somebody who did
4710 something like that. Like, at what fucking point, you know? And not only that,
4711 like, I always try to say, you know, like, “When we get to a point where we’ve
4712 been together long enough, I would love to meet your children.” Like, I never
4713 (discluded) them from anything. Like, I remember comin’ back from
4714 Colorado Springs and I was like, “Oh my God, they got the Cheyenne Zoo
4715 down here. You gotta take your kids. And, like, the - you can feed the giraffes
4716 and they would love it.” Like, I always tried to, like, in- like, show him cool
4717 things like, “Hey, man, would your kids like this? ‘Cause my nephew would
4718 like this. Like, check this out.” You know? Like, I sent him a screenshot of
4719 some rainbow u- unicorn Lucky Charms the other day. I was like, “Do your
4720 daughters know about these? ‘Cause I bet these are epic.” Like, little things
4721 like that where it’s like - like, genuinely - like, I care. I do. Like, despite how
4722 messy this is and how I’m sure I’m gonna be portrayed in the media and
4723 everything, like, I care about, like, his wellbeing with his children and all of
4724 that. And so for me, like, when I think of, “What was he - going through his
4725 head?” I find it really hard to believe that I am the catalyst for all of this. I will
4726 be willing to say that I think me being in his life accelerated what was
4727 inevitably about to happen. But I don’t think people just snap. Love does not
4728 murder. Hate and resentment murder. That’s the way I look at that. I do not
4729 know what is the truth anymore and what’s not and I don’t have all of the
4730 details. But this is just my, like, opinion but I’m pretty convinced that that
4731 woman and him did not get along very well and the reason they stuck together
4732 was, “Hey we’re gonna do kids.” And I think they also stuck together because
4733 they were in a very bad financial bind. And I think that she continuously
4734 disregarded it. And I think he messed up because he was too passive to say
4735 anything to her about it and really address it. And it just got to the point where
4736 it’s just like, you file bankruptcy and then what do you do? Just wait 'til you
4737 file the next one? I don’t know. I don’t know what their finances look like
4738 now but from the way it made it sound, it’s probably a pretty stark situation.
4739 And I don’t know if hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt over and over
4740 and over again are enough to lead a man to, like, wanna take somebody out
4741 but I don’t know. I’ve heard of people committing suicide over that shit
4742 before. And I would never justify what he did. I think it’s fuckin’ disgusting.
4743 It’s - ugh. Like, he’s such a fuckin’ pig. But I just - I try to, like, be like,
4744 “Why?” I try to come up with the why. And I really think that he was
4745 struggling with her really bad and not only that, he’s got a third child on the
4746 way and I know he was probably just like, “I can’t fucking afford a third kid.”
4747 Wants it but can’t afford it, you know? And he always told me he, like,
4748 wanted a little boy. You know? He wanted a third child.
4849 Q: And - and then I - I have just two cursory questions regarding some -
4850 something else and then I think maybe Tim has a few questions for you. But
4851 the - I think what you, um, say about the finances directs - direct- ra- dir
4852 directly at his wife. Do you think that goes to the children as well? Because
4853 she took, uh - did she treat them like that, like they were gold and they got
4854 everything as well that you know of? Or do you think there’s a separate issue
4855 for why he may have, um, done what he did to his children other than
4856 financial?
4857
4858 A: That part, I don’t have an answer for. I can’t fuckin’ explain that. I don’t even
4859 think there is an answer. I don’t - I don’t even think there’s any sort of, like,
4860 computing up here that could possibly give a rational explanation for why that
4861 would’ve happened.
4862
4863 Q: ‘Kay.
4864
4865 A: I mean, the only thing that I’ve honestly thought of when I play the scenario
4866 over in my head is that maybe they woke up and saw him doin’ in their mom.
4867 And he was like, “Fuck.
4868
4869 Q: ‘Kay.
4870
4871 A: Now I gotta do this, too.” I don’t know. I’m like - I’m like, “Why?” Because
4872 they were, like, his, like, little lifeline, you know? He - he - that was
4873 everything to him, you know? And I get, like, those two have problems.
4874
4875 Q: But he had a great relationship his - but from what you’re accounting is he...
4876
4877 A: With his kids.
4878
4879 Q: ...he loved his children.
4880
4881 A: Yeah. Like, I’m - that part - it just - it’s - oh my g- that’s the worst part of this
4882 whole mess. The worst part of this whole mess. And...
4883
4884 Q: We won’t dwell on it. We don’t have to do that.
4885
4886 A: No.
4887
4888 Q: Let me ask you, um...
4889
4890 A: But - so no, I don’t - I don’t have an explanation. That’s the only thing I can
4891 possibly, plausibly think of is maybe they saw it. But other than that, I don’t
4892 know what the fuck.
Chris Watts to Ronnie Watts (video below): "In her heart I know she knew about the affair. She was just waiting for me to say something. We denied it again. She just lost it."
In CBI agent Tammy Lee's report for the August 15, 2018, interrogation and polygraph of Chris Watts, she wrote (discovery page 605):
"Ronnie asked Chris what Shanann said that morning when he told her everything. Chris said Shanann asked him why and asked him why he wanted to give up. Chris said Shanann said: 'Fuck you, and fuck you, and fuck you'."
After entering her home through the front door at 1:48 a.m. on August 13th, and before 1:51 a.m., Shanann climbed three floors, per activity logged on her iPhone (image below). Logically, if Chris wasn't on the first floor when she arrived home, she would have climbed the stairs to the second floor where the master bedroom and childrens' bedrooms were located. If Chris or the children were not upstairs, then she may have gone to the basement to check for them. If there was an emotional discussion, it may have occurred in the basement, with Shanann leaving the basement and climbing the basement stairs to the first floor (two full fights climbed so far) and and then again climbing the stairs to the second floor to go to bed. Shanann had her iPhone in her possession, and an iPhone registers that you climbed a flight of stairs only if you go up. Shanann's iPhone says she climbed three flights of stairs between 1:48 a.m. and 1:51 a.m. Her iPhone also shows that she had no more steps after 1:51 a.m. (steps weren't registered again until her iPhone was found in the sofa cushions around 2 p.m. on August 13th).
The first thing Shanann would have done upon arriving home at 1:48 AM on August 13th would be to check on her children. If they weren't in their beds, she would have gone back downstairs to check the rooms on the first floor and then down to the basement to check there. She did not leave the home from the front door or garage, which means she was taken out the back, probably through the sliding glass door in the kitchen or one of the basement egress windows (three of them were missing the screens).
Were all three, Chris, Jim and Nikki, as well as the children, in the basement when Shanann arrived home at 1:48 a.m.? Did those three try to convince Shanann that Jim and Nikki were a couple, and not Chris and Nikki, and did Shanann call them out on their obvious affair and say to the three of them, "Fuck you, and fuck you, and fuck you"?
Chris' Apple Watch didn’t show stair climbing when he would have been at the Cervi site disposing of the childrens' bodies. He would have had to climb the stairs to the catwalk at least once to put the girls in the tanks. This mean he not wearing his watch, yet it showed activity. So, how did the girls get up those stairs and in those tanks if he didn’t do it?
August 13, 2018
1500 hours: Kessinger clocked out of work (pg 331, 506) after not having clocked in.
1545 hours: Kessinger got a text from Chris about his family being gone and asked her to call him (pg 331, 506).
1600 hours: Kessinger called Chris at his request (pg 506).
1701 hours: Kessinger made two unanswered calls to Watts.
1705 hours: Watts called Chase Bank and held a nearly two minute conversation. He called a separate number for Chase moments later and held a two and a half minute conversation.
1730 hours: Watts made an unanswered call to Kessinger.
1748 hours: Unaware of events Meadows asked if Watts drove by the 6508 Saratoga address. Completely aware of events Watts still replied, "Just did. Yup that's the exact model."
1800 hours: Following suggestions by many, Watts searched Google for hospitals near his home and makes staged phone calls to hospitals.
1823 hours: Burke asked if Watts had any luck with the hospitals and Watts said "no luck at all."
1830 hours: Meadows asked Watts if Shanann was ok, noting she has not taken part in their group text exchange about selling the house. Watts replied, "She hasn't been around all day. It's very odd."
1852 hours: Watts told Samantha Paisley, aka Sam: "I'm praying so hard. I'm sick to my stomach. Cops searched the house up and down and drilled me pretty hard. I have no idea where they could be." Sam asked why the police were "drilling him." An hour later Watts explained, "They are just being thorough. They gotta do all the digging they can. I saw them this morning. Yea people are helping me search. You don't need to get on a plane. We have a lot of support here."
1900 hours: Watts received a calendar notice titled, "Dinner with Shanann." Shanann had a similar entry, "Dinner with Chris", but scheduled for an hour later.
2112 hours: A line at the Frederick Police Department called Watts and held a six minute conversation. Officer James called Chris to follow up. Chris told Officer James he has not cheated but that Shanann may be seeing someone else. Chris provided Officer James with contact info for friends (pg 13).
2148 hours: Chris called Kessinger and they talked for 50 minutes (pg 479).
2309 hours: Kessinger called Watts and they talked for 51 minutes.
August 14, 2018 (discovery file PDF page 1003)
0008 hours: Chris calls Kessinger, and they spoke for 31 minutes (pg 1003).
0112 hours: Kessinger called Chris, and they spoke for 3 minutes (pg 1003).
0151 hours: Chris called Kessinger, and they spoke for 8 minutes (pg 1003).
0158 hours: Watts played phone tag with a line at the Frederick Police Department. Officer Goodman called Chris on his personal phone twice, and Chris answered but there was dead silence from his end. It could be failed attempts by Chris to do a three-way call with Kessinger.
0206 hours: Chris called Kessinger, and they spoke for 1 minute (pg 1003).
0207 hours: Chris used his work phone to call back Goodman and, at the same time, Kessinger called Chris, and the call lasted 11 minutes, which means that Kessinger was listening to Chris as he used his work phone to talk to Officer Goodman. This was the final call between Chris and Kessinger (pg 996, 503, 1003). This may have been the call where they facetimed. Chris gave Bella's height as 42 inches and weight as 40 pounds, and gave Cece's height as 37 inches and 37 pounds.
0458 hours: Sandy called Watts and held a four minute conversation.
0632 hours: Sandy called again and held a six minute conversation.
0725 hours: Watts perpetuated his fallacy, telling Sam "I'm hoping she's with someone I don't know about, because I've exhausted all the people I know of. I'm optimistic we will reunite again. People have been stopping by from time to time."
0929 hours: Watts transferred one last image into his Secret Calculator application, a semi-nude selfie of Kessinger.
1208 hours: Kessinger spent nearly four hours searching Google and the internet for Watts, news outlets, and news accounts of Shanann's disappearance.
1335 hours: Watts told Sam that an Amber Alert is not applicable to the facts as they are known presently. Watts added, "They just swept the house with dogs to pick up a scent." Watts said he has completed all his interviews with the news outlets.
1430 hours: Watts called Sandy and held a ten minute conversation.
1504 hours: Watts told Addy, "Good Morning America has contacted my sister."
1700 hours: Kessinger searched Google on topics like "can cops trace text messages" — "How long do phone companies keep text messages" — "Difference between text message content and text message detail."
1821 hours: Kessinger searched the internet for news accounts of this incident and Shanann's name. These searches were conducted frequently by Kessinger throughout the next several days. She deleted every one afterwards.
1826 hours: Watts told Nick Thayer that he was leaving now, stopping for gas and "I'll be there" [Watts had earlier agreed to spend the night at the Thayers].
1834 hours: Investigative Analyst, Jillian Ganley, received GPS data from Chris Watts work vehicle (pg 1321). Had they acted immediately on this data, they would have been able to retrieve the items that Chris threw into the dumpster on Black Mesa Road (a street in his neighborhood) just before arriving home on 8/13/2018, when he first met Officer Coonrod. They didn't investigate this stop on Black Mesa Road until August 24th.
1842 hours: Watts returned a missed call from the Fredrick Police Department. As a result of that call, Watts turned around and drove to the police deportment where he held on interview with FBI spanning 1900 hours to 2306 hours.
1859 hours: After a brief call to the Thayers, Nick advised they would drive to the police department and wait for Watts to finish.
1900 hours: Chris arrived at Frederick PD to be interviewed by FBI (pg 491, 1030-1055).
2010 hours: Watts told Dave Colon that he was talking with the FBI presently.
2042 hours: Nick Thayer told Watts: "Hey man. We are sitting outside thinking of you. I am talking to an investigator friend and she recommends maybe not to talk without a lawyer. I know this text might get there too late."
2300 hours: Chris exited Frederick PD after being interviewed (pg 318).
2304 hours: Watts added FBI agent Grahm Coder to his phone's contacts.
Note: Chris wanted to come back to work on 8/14 or 8/15 but Anadarko HR said "no" (pg 494).
August 15, 2018 (Chris would be arrested after the interrogation by Tammy Lee and Grahm Coder)
0747 hours: Watts told his father, "Text me when you land. I can pick you up."
0800 hours: CBI Agent Tammy Lee received a phone call from Anadarko Regional Manager, informing her they may have uncovered evidence Chris began a relationship with a coworker around June of 2018 (pg 513, 1321).
0903 hours: Coder sent a message to Watts, "Hey Chris, it's Grahm from last night. You call me back?" Watts made that call three minutes later.
0937 hours: Watts told Coder that his father just landed and he was "en route to pick him up."
0949 hours: Kessinger contacted detectives regarding her relationship with Chris Watts (pg 1624, 1003). She was tipped off that Anardarko had discovered emails revealing her affair with Watts, which is why she contacted the police.
1013 hours: Watts told Coder that he just picked up his dad.
1027 hours: Coder told Watts: "Swing on by the PD when you get a chance. We'll make a game plan for today." Watts answered a short call from Coder a minute later.
1100 hours: Chris arrived at the police station for an agreed upon polygraph examination (pg 511, 1156-1160).
1700 hours: Drone operator locates bed sheet, plastic bags and disturbed ground at Cervi Ranch site (pg 219).
1736 hours: An FBI agent interviewed Nicole Kessinger in the park with her dad and dog (pg 283, 330).
2245 hours: Officer Coonrod responded to Andarko oil field. CBI investigators reported collecting the the following evidence: hair from oil tank hatch, parts of a rake, and a bed sheet. They began to excavate possible burial site approximately 100 feet from the oil tanks (pg 36).
2300 hours: Located body of adult female buried in approximately 3-8” of dirt (pg 36, 424).
2302 hours: Chris is handcuffed and placed in custody (pg 28).
On August 13th, when Officer Goodman asked Chris (over the phone) about Bella and Cece's height and weight, Chris gave the exact figures for each child: Bella's height as 42 inches and weight as 40 pounds, and Cece's height as 37 inches and weight at 37 pounds.
Why would Chris know these precise measurements, especially since the children had been in North Carolina with Shanann for six weeks (photo above was taken in North Carolina), and had only returned to Colorado on August 7th, seven days earlier?
How did he know they would fit in the tanks? Shanann made a Facebook video of the “pie in the face” game where Chris stuck his head in a hole made of cardboard and the girls smacked him with a hand that pops up and covers you in pie. The diameter of the cutout is 8 inches.
Nichol Kessinger called somebody at 4:50 PM in Crestone, Colorado, on July 21, 2018 (her Verizon phone records above). This was the day she and Chris (and possibly Jim) "carpooled" to Bandimere Speedway.
According to Watts family friend and Chris Watts penpal, Shannon:
The rise of Mysticism, withcraft and paganism in Colorado, along with the rise of marijuana use, is detailed in the video below by Jewels of thought. In Crestone, there are problems with dark witches, associated more with satanism. The moon plays heavily in this witchcraft.
"If finger nails scratching slowly down a chalkboard had a voice, it would be hers. She really is quite proud of herself for being this 'amazing' women with a perfect credit score. The day after they were murdered, NK searched how much Amber Frey got for a book deal: no way she would have searched that if she didn’t KNOW they were dead. NK gave this interview on the same day that CW, later in the day, confessed but NK didn’t know this when she was talking to them."
In the video below, the two women on the left, Vanessa and Theresa, of Unmasked, are former friends of Jamie Watts. They both said they had no contact with Ronnie Watts or Cindy Watts, and they fell out with Jamie in October/November of 2020. The two women on the right were friends with both the Watts and Chris Watts. Shannon, the lady bottom right, had more contact with Chris than Sheri Ann, the lady top right. These two are also no longer in contact with the Watts or Chris Watts.
On August 6th, after nutgate, Jamie gave oxy to Chris (49-minute mark) in North Carolina (59-minute mark). In North Carolina, Chris tried to kill Shanann with an overdose of oxy and blame Shanann for the overdose (33-minute mark in video above). Chris decided at the beach in North Carolina that the children also had to be killed. Jamie runs a den of vipers. The Watts have everyone do their dirty work and then don't hesitate to throw them under the bus. They also don't care if they put people in danger in the process. The Watts are worried that their involvement may come out, as far as maybe pushing Chris or encouraging him. What really happened to the children must have been much worse than the story Chris told in his 2019 Dodge prison confession (56-minute mark). Chris tries to paint himself a "good guy" by taking the plea to spare the Rzuceks of the details, but it really probably was to cover up/ protect his own family. And this is what he means by taking shit to his grave. Jamie gave Chris the oxycodone and then hid a letter from Chris that implied Shanann might kill him and the kids, which she hid until after his plea deal and sentencing. Do the math.
August 16, 2018
1203 hours: Chris is transferred to jail (pg 28).
1210 hours: Shanann’s body is removed from the burial site (pg 36).
1530 hours: First oil tank is entered. Celeste’s body is removed (pg 37).
1730 hours: Second oil take is entered. Bella’s body is removed (pg 37).
2212 hours: Search warrant executed at Watts home (pg 40).
0000 hours: Kessinger is interviewed at Thornton PD (pg 474).
August 17, 2018
1051 hours: Phone interview with Nichol Kessinger.
0000 hours: Phone interview with Nichol Kessinger and CBI (pg 479).
August 19, 2018
Kessinger searched the internet on topics related to Amber Frey, the mistress of Scott Peterson. Her searches included Frey's book deal, her net worth, and "did people hate Amber Frey.''
August 21, 2018
1845 hours: Phone interview with Nichol Kessinger.
August 24, 2018
0000 hours: Officer Manley met with the general contractor overseeing construction site at Black Mesa Road. Advised they have reason to believe Chris Watts stopped there for several minutes. Contractor advised trash was removed on August 16th and taken to land fill (pg 125).
September 4, 2018
1300 hours: Kessinger provided law enforcement with typed document providing additional information about her recollections regarding Chris Watts (pg 941).
September 17, 2018
0947 hours: Kessinger provided phone statement to LE which included the dates 8/13 and 8/14 (pg 996).
Crestone, Colorado, which was founded by globalist Maurice Strong, is located near the Great Sand Dunes National Park, where NK and Chris would spent the following weekend (July 28-29, 2018).
Crestone has been described as a creepy cult town known for "new age spirituality" plus dark witchcraft, drum circles, heavy drug use, etc.
The sand dunes and camping trip (where they spent a lot of time naked with about a group of a dozen people, per Cheryln Cadle) was pivotal to Chris: something happened that weekend to mark "the beginning of the end for him." He had a hard time with the first anniversary of that weekend. Maybe he met people he didn't want to meet. He keeps saying that he should have gone to the football game with Jeremy Lindstrom and not the Lazy Dog with NK on Saturday, August 11th. Shannon believes that on Saturday with Nikki is when the murders were planned. This is why NK can't remember what they talked about on Saturday or during the 111-minute phone call on Sunday night. Did NK give Chris an ultimatum: it's either me or her, and this is what you've got to do, and you've got to get things in order. Both NK and CW say they can't remember what they talked about on Saturday or Sunday. Shannon thinks it was when the murder was planned because a lot of steps were taken, preparation for the girls beforehand. Shannon says Chris is still in love with NK, and he doesn't seem to have any emotion or remorse regarding Shanann. He told Shannon that the one-year anniversary of her death was the first time he cried for Shanann.
Possibly the most out-there part of Crestone is the Crestone End-Of-Life Project, a committee dedicated to helping people explore alternative end of life plans. The committee holds “death cafes” and “end-or-life workshops,” meetings for people to openly and honestly discuss fears surrounding their death and make end of life plans. Crestone also offers a pyre, an almost extinct thing in most of the world. It is a distinct small-town with a strange proclivity for death.
Bella from Franklin, TN, wrote the following about Crestone:
"I recently went to Crestone for part of my spring break, and it was very weird. The moment my mom and I drove into town, we got this really uneasy and uncomfortable feeling. We were scared the whole time we were there. We tried to go visit the spiritual centers because we had gone there for them, but when we got up to the first one, we physically could not get out of the car. It was very freaky."
"I’ve always wondered what the purpose of that gas can was. CW kinda fumbled around explaining it in his Wisconsin interview as, 'I didn’t know most of what I was doing that morning.' Maybe he was just trying to look busy on camera putting normal objects in the back of his truck. I found it odd that he walked around to the camera side to do it when he had been putting everything in from the side that was blocked from view." - Sheikster403
"If he was gonna cause an explosion at Cervi (which I believe was the plan) he wouldn’t need the gas can. The accelerant would be the oil at the site and the ‘leak’. Too much money to pass up. He was going to kill them anyways. Might as well get $450,000 in Accidental Death Benefits from his Anadarko insurance policy on his family, plus millions in a wrongful death lawsuit against Anadarko for not having the proper security measures at Cervi after the Firestone explosion. Enough money to run off and build a new life. The gas can was just a distraction for Nate's camera. His ‘story’ in my theory: Shanann and him have an emotional conversation before he goes to work. He tells her there is another woman. He leaves. She’s at home fuming, decides to confront him at work. She can’t leave the kids alone so they come as well. She shows up at Cervi 319 looking for him, meanwhile he’s at Cervi 1029. Oil tank blows because of the ‘leak’. Boom, insurance on wife and kiddos, lawsuit against Anadarko for safety negligence causing death. Who knows, maybe he would have said she followed him there from the house or used the ‘find my iPhone’ app to locate him. He states she knew all the emails and passcodes. It would be easy. If this was the plan and it did work, he would have received millions in a lawsuit against Anadarko. An almost guaranteed wrongful death lawsuit against Anadarko for them not following through with mandatory safety protocols for their previous incompetence. No cameras, guards, secure gates, diddly squat. He would have made millions. Plus insurance on Shanann and the girls was $450,000 total." - KrystinP
atschock wrote at reddit:
It’s so frustrating that we were not provided more log/source data in the discovery files to validate this 9:10 AM alert on August 13th and any others possibly received that day, including the mysterious 12:42 PM alert, which we only learn about from Baumhover's notes but never see in any phone data.
Did CW think someone (NK) was in the house when he arrived home on August 13th? After shaking Coonrod's hand and then opening the passenger door of the Lexus and fussing around, he entered through the interior garage door and took a minute to open the front door, like he was making sure this person was gone. [He may have taken Shanann's ring from the Lexus and ran upstairs to put it on her nightstand before opening the door for Nickole Atkinson, her son, and officer Coonrod.]
That said, I think this information about the 9:10 AM alert might be false. It's either a lie that CW told NK or that NK made up herself. Unless I missed it, the only source of the information about this 9:10 AM alert is actually NK, who says that CW told her about it.
What the video shows as proof of the 9:10 AM alert is a screenshot of text from the discovery file PDF page 947/Discovery Page 1064, which was a page from the seven-page document NK generated containing notes of events she had recalled since her final meeting with SA Koback.
I can't find anywhere else in the discovery where this 9:10 AM alert is brought up — not by CW himself in any interview or by any investigator — EXCEPT for by NK's dad, in the NK interview he participated in with NK and Koback on August 16th, where he asks: “What about that 9 o’clock thing you were tellin’ me on Monday?” And NK says: “Oh, what he told me? Oh, yeah. Well, we’ll get there. We’ll get there. We’re still on Sunday night.”
The only thing close to source data we see about Vivint alerts comes from PDF page 1588/Discovery Page 1770 in the Digital Evidence Analysis/timeline sub-report of CW's personal phone.
Unfortunately, the investigator only included about 20 timeline entries starting on August 12th at 9:29 PM until August 13th 10:10 AM.
During this time, we only see one log entry for a Vivint alert, which is the 1:48 AM alert that was generated by the doorbell when SW arrived home from the airport.
Curiously missing from this time frame are the three other alerts that are alleged by CW or CW via NK to have occurred during this time frame: 5:26 AM (main floor door to basement left open at 5:16 AM, with Vivint sending an alert to CW's phone about it a 5:16 AM, after it was left open for 10 minutes — CW tells SA Tammy Lee about this on PDF pg 525), 5:27 AM (garage door left open — also from the SA Tammy Lee interview), and this 9:10 AM Vivent alert for the garage door being left open (at 9:00 AM — Vivint sends alert to CW's phone after a door is left open for 10 minutes) from NK's events document.
We do see a timeline sub-report about SW's phone in discovery, too.
Unfortunately, we were also only given a small slice of her timeline data, from August 12th at 9:36 PM to August 13th at 10:03 AM.
In this time frame, we do not see any Vivint alerts at all on her phone — including the 1:48 AM one above, which I find odd.
I really hope someone proves me wrong and finds some other source data about Vivint alerts in the discovery file, but I've been up and down that file and this is all I can find.
Based on what's in the discovery file, the 5:26 AM, 5:27 AM and 9:10 AM alerts look like they never happened.
NK would have been seen by Nate's camera going out the garage door at 9:10 AM on August 13th. It was broad daylight.
I think Chris lied to her to give the impression Shanann and the girls left on their own.
Remember, Chris thought Nate's camera was still pointed more toward the road and not right at his driveway. He was surprised at his house.
Larry Tanoury and his family's law firm have been investigating the Watts case because they believe there is a coverup of Nichol Kessinger's involvement that began with Colorado Senator Ken Buck.
Larry says that Chris Watts' lead defense attorney, John Walsh, is a relative of Kessinger.
Larry also says that Arthur Walsh was Kessinger's attorney for her name change in September 2020 (research the family relations between Arthur and John; Arthur Walsh was disbarred in December 2020).
John Walsh is pictured above (on the left), in court, with Chris Watts.
Chris Watts' undated letter #4 to Cherlyn Cadle: First night in Weld County jail, I had a vision of my grandparents and realized I did have a demon inside me. My attorney team treated me not like a client, but a friend.His case never would have made it to trial had Chris Watts decided not to take
the plea deal because he would have ended up dead in his cell, and they
probably would have claimed it was suicide. Chris was under duress when he
took the plea deal. He likely was being threatened, and his lawyers
would have known this. His lead lawyer, John Walsh, apparently is a
relative of Nichol Kessinger. Did Chris know this at the time of his plea deal?
Kessinger probably opened the LLC (image above) to funnel the money they thought they’d get by blowing up Cervi 319 (and possibly blaming it on Shanann), but their plans were interrupted: first, by Shanann's plane being three hours late, then they didn't realize until after 8 AM on 8/13/2018 that Shanann had changed the passcode to her iPhone, and, finally, Nickole Atkinson called the cops to the Watts home after showing up at the house around noon on murder Monday (Chris wanted to return to work on Monday and Tuesday but Anadarko forbid him from doing so; he was interrogated for the murders starting on Wednesday morning and arrested for the murders by midnight that day and subsequently fired from Anadarko).
Conflicts of Interest
It is crucial that the defense attorney is diligent and zealous in advocating on behalf of her client. Any conflict of interest that creates an incentive for the defense attorney to undertake representation that is anything less than zealous should be avoided.
Conflicts of Interest are often analyzed by examining whether the conflict would harm the defendant's right to counsel.
If the criminal defense attorney represents a client and the defense attorney has an existing conflict of interest, the client may later have an action against the attorney for malpractice or ineffective assistance of counsel
Conflicts are a serious concern for criminal defense lawyers. They frequently occur in large criminal defense firms and public defender offices where the sheer number of cases increases the likelihood that a conflict will occur.
If one lawyer has a conflict of interest, that conflict may extend to other lawyers in the firm. Thus, two attorneys in one criminal defense practice should not represent adverse clients. Similarly, public defender offices do not represent generally co-defendants. Instead, a panel of "conflicts attorneys" appointed by the court will take these cases. If the jurisdiction is large enough they may even have two separate public defender offices set up to take conflicts.
Conflict is Raised Prior to or During Trial
A conflict if interest can be raised by the defendant or any other party at trial including the prosecutor or even, in theory, the judge. In thise case, the judge will examine the conflict to determine whether a conflict of interest potentially exists.
A potential conflict is one in which there is a significant risk that representation of the client will be materially limited by the criminal defense lawyers representation of a co-defendant, former client, third person, or personal interest.
Conflict is Raised After Trial
In many cases a conflict of interest will not be discovered until the defendant has already been convicted at trial.
In this case, the judge will examine the conflict to determine whether a conflict of interest actually existed.
A conflict of interest can be raised on direct appeal or by any method of collateral review such as habeas corpus.
- Co-defendants - A conflict of interest actually exists when one criminal defense attorney represents two co-defendants who have adverse interests. As a practical matter it is possible that one attorney can represent multiple defendants on the same charge. However, in practice this is very difficult.
- Violation of Duty of Loyalty - A gross violation of the duty of loyalty may create an actual conflict of interest. In one case a conflict was found when the defense attorney informed the court that his client intended to commit perjury after the client informed him during a confidential interview that he was thinking of committing perjury.
Waiver
In some cases both potential and actual conflicts of interest may be waived by the defendant if the defendant provides informed and written consent to the conflict.
The trial court has discretion in determining whether a conflict of interest is, or is not, waivable.
http://defensewiki.ibj.org/index.php/Conflicts_of_Interest
CRIME AND JUSTICE WITH ASHLEIGH BANFIELD
Aired October 4, 2018
ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, HOST, HLN CRIME AND JUSTICE: Good evening, everyone, I am Ashleigh Banfield. This is "Crime and Justice."
And tonight the darkest developments since Chris Watts was put in handcuffs, accused of killing his wife and daughters and dumping their bodies at his work site and then telling everyone they were missing. The formerly heroic family man has spent the last weeks in jail, solitary, all alone, 23 hours a day.
But today, Chris Watts got to venture out to the phone banks, because today Chris Watts had a very important call. And on the other end of that call the brother and the parents of the dead pregnant wife Chris Watts allegedly confessed to strangling. The uncle and the grandparents of the dead little girls, police say he submerged in the oil tank. No doubt that uncle and those grandparents had some choice words for their inmate of an in-law, but today the conversation may have been limited. Because they have something specific to sort out. They had something urgent.
Joining me now live, "Crime and Justice," producer, Kyle Peltz. Kyle, the notion that this family after all they have gone through trying to deal with the reality of losing their daughter, their granddaughters, burying them in North Carolina, found themselves in a phone call. The first confrontation with Chris Watts since they lost Shanann.
KYLE PELTZ, CRIME AND JUSTICE PRODUCER: That was the big question today, we knew they have a phone call scheduled with Chris Watts himself actually be on that call? He dialed in today from the Weld County Jail with his attorney sitting right beside him.
BANFIELD: So he has two attorneys for murder case his and the D.A. has been very clear to us, hey, this probate issue that has been launched by Shanann's family. This is not a part of the criminal case. This is not a part of the D.A.'s office, this is a civil matter separate from us and yet both of those attorneys and the D.A., himself, were involved in this phone call. How were they all placed? Who was where and why?
PELTZ: That is right, you said that the D.A. for a long time has been saying, hey, this is a civil case, not a criminal. We have nothing to do with that, but the prosecutor, himself, was actually in court today.
BANFIELD: Michael Rourke.
PELTZ: Michael Rourke.
BANFIELD: In court.
PELTZ: In court. Although it seems he was there as a visitor, he was in the courtroom gallery as was another one of Chris Watts' defense attorney.
BANFIELD: John Walsh?
PELTZ: John Walsh, yes.
BANFIELD: So, John Walsh and his other defense attorney for the criminal case, Kate Herald, of course, they are involved in defending him against these murder charges, the nine felonies that he is faced with. But Kate Herald somehow was in the jail seated beside Chris Watts on this phone call with the family and his other attorney, and the big cheese himself, Michael Rourke, was sitting in the gallery in the courtroom, presumably on speaker phone with the Judge.
PELTZ: Exactly, Kate Herald was right there with Chris. As you said, she is the one tasked with defending him in this murder case, one of his attorneys in the courtroom.
BANFIELD: So, he gets on the phone, on the other ends, invited to be a part of this call, critically is Shanann's father, that is Frank, you can see on the list of people involve here. Critically, Frank Rzucek, the father of the murdered pregnant wife of Chis Watts, is on that phone call. He is the one petitioning to say, I want to be Shanann's personal representative in all of the affairs of her estate; I want to be that person. That point person.
Sandy Rzucek, his wife, Shanann's mom also invited to be on the call. Frankie Rzucek, Shanann's brother and you know, by all accounts best friend on the call as well. And then you can you see all the lawyers that we just talked about? Do we know if that family, if Frank Senior or Sandy or Frank Jr. who has known to be very outspoken of what he thinks of Chris Watts on Facebook? Do we know if they spoke to him?
PELTZ: We have no idea who spoke on that call. And a big question, too, is did Chris even utter a word on that call or were his attorneys talking for him? We don't know. But it is pretty — it had have been pretty chilling and very uncomfortable for that family if Chris Watts was speaking.
BANFIELD: And they knew. They were privy to know who was on the call. So, when they were dialing in, they were allowed to know that he just might be there, he might be standing by. They might hear his voice. And who knows, like you said, the information is limited. We do know this was scheduled to be one full hour, this emergency probate hearing. One full hour. What was it actually?
PELTZ: It was, I have the exact time here, 10 minutes and 40 second is how long this hearing lasted.
BANFIELD: What did they ask? What do they do in 10 minutes and 40 seconds? What was asked and answered?
PELTZ: Well, exactly, normally, I mean, 10 minutes and 40 seconds would yield pages of pages of transcripts of what happen. I will hold it up for the camera here, this is the page we got today, half page of notes on what happened in court. No specifics other than who was on the call, and the final outcome of this request.
BANFIELD: I am assuming, though, that since this was a request by the family of Shanann to, you know, to take over the representation of her estate. That the judge would have had to ask, do you oppose this? At the very least, maybe we don't have it in prose, that exact sentence. But do we know if there was an answer to that question?
PELTZ: There was an answer. It said no one opposed, and Chris Watts did not oppose.
BANFIELD: We don't know if he spoke those words or his representatives spoke the words for him.
PELTZ: Right that is not clear.
BANFIELD: It's bizarre, though, if he wanted to be on that call, his lawyer could have been on that call from her office.
PELTZ: Exactly.
BANFIELD: He wanted to be on that call. Arrange would had been made with Weld County Jail to get him out of that cell, where he sits rotting 23 hours a day, except for that one hour he gets — the hour out room. Why would he want to be on it, if he wasn't going to speak?
PELTZ: Exactly.
BANFIELD: So, what else do we know, about the actual estate issues? Because it seemed like this was pressing. This was something called an emergency hearing, which needed to be done right away. What was the rush?
PELTZ: Well, we know Shanann's father mentioned life insurance as one of those reasons, and her car.
BANFIELD: And that is interesting. Because it's her car and there's his car. And they both on Facebook had you know, uttered that — that it belonged to Shanann at some point. I think Shanann had mentioned it, well, it's my truck, actually. So now do we know what car? Was it the Lexus or was it the truck that was towed off for evidence?
PELTZ: Right, we are thinking it was probably Shanann's Lexus that she recently got. But as you mentioned, they also had Chris' truck. By Chris own allege admission to the police that is the truck he used to cart their bodies to their final burial site.
BANFIELD: You know, I think a lot of times, when we discussed this truck. You see the pictures of it being taken away on a flatbed into evidence, that if you read the fine, you know, in between the words and the arrest affidavit, they say that those bodies, I had assumed the bodies were in the bed, in the back of the truck. They were actually in the back seat. That all three bodies were put in the back seat of that truck. It's so sad to see this happening. You know in the darkness of night, I presume this was the Wednesday night they pulled him in and charged him with murder. And then just hauled away that truck as evidence that those bodies were in the back seat. And we don't know how long that truck is going to actually be held as evidence, do we?
PELTZ: No, we don't know.
BANFIELD: By the way, I just saw 11:39 on the back window. Maybe I didn't notice it before, but it certainly looks to be a fleet number. Almost like, there is an 1139, the number 1139 in the back window at the driver's side, you will probably see that in a moment. That image will flash in a moment, but that makes me wonder if this didn't belong to them at all.
PELTZ: Right.
BANFIELD: That this actually belonged to Anadarko. They kept calling it Chris's work truck, even the police called it Chris's work truck. And we wondered, what does that mean? There it is, 1139 right there. If that is your personal truck. Would you have an 1139 — would you have a number? A four digit number on the window?
PELTZ: That is a good question. We had been asking who this truck belonged to, pretty much since the beginning of the case, and have not gotten a clear answer on it. But it may be very well have been Anadarko's truck or it could had been Chris and Shanann's.
BANFIELD: I have worked for plenty of companies that have a fleet. Cameramen all have a van or some kind of a vehicle. There is often a number, I think any of us out there, if you work for a company that has company vehicles, typically, there is a number.
I'm just noticing this literally live as we are speaking for the first time. But I can only presume, Kyle, that maybe it doesn't pertain to this truck. Maybe this hearing where they say there is a car and there is life insurance pertains to that Lexus. And she had talked about that Lexus. She had talked openly about how proud she was about Lexus on her Facebook.
PELTZ: Right. She was getting money from her company to make those car payments, because I guess the level that she was there, but yes, she was very proud of that vehicle.
BANFIELD: You know I want to bring in Kirk Nurmi, Kirk is a defense attorney and he is also the former attorney for Jody Arias. That is why Kirk's name is often very familiar to us. Kirk, thank you for being with us today. I will talk to you a lot about preparing the ultimate defense for a guy like this who seems to be pretty hated for the fact pattern that we know of or at least the police allege he has confessed to, but right now, I want you to tell me a little about this probate hearing.
We never cover these things. Probate is boring. It just goes right under the radar. But this is different.
They were on the phone with the now accused of killing their daughter and their grandchildren and the brother listening to his in-law possibly speaking. Can you help shed any light on what that call might have been like and fill in the lines that they didn't write on that document Kyle just showed?
KIRK NURMI, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR JODI ARIAS: Well, Ashleigh, it's great to be with you. I think in temps of that document, obviously, I think there was a lot of things that were left out of that do you mean. Probably a lot of thing unsaid by both parties that want to be said. But I'm sure though
his defense attorneys were there to make sure that things didn't go off the rail, that emotions didn't get the better of him, and that he didn't sabotage his criminal case in some way by saying something out of emotion.
his defense attorneys were there to make sure that things didn't go off the rail, that emotions didn't get the better of him, and that he didn't sabotage his criminal case in some way by saying something out of emotion.
BANFIELD: And then would you also assume, Kirk, that it's not strange that we saw, in black and white, that the D.A. himself attended this hearing? Sat in the gallery? And that his other criminal defense attorney, his other public defender who seems to be lead chair at least at this point, John Walsh, was also seated in the gallery in the courtroom while Chris' second defense attorney was in the jail with him. Does that seem strange to you? Or were they all just waiting for any utterance of any kind?
NURMI: I think they were waiting for any utterance of any kind. But keep in mind, too, Ashleigh, Mr. Watts is really under a microscope right now. Because it's the D.A. that is going to decide whether or not he wants to charge Mr. Watts with death. He wants to seek the death penalty. So he is going to go in, any opportunity he had to go in, and evaluate Mr. Watts' demeanor, how he acts in order to make that evaluation to decide, Do I want to charge this man with death?
BANFIELD: So let me ask you this. And again, probate is typically so pro forma. It's just you know, it's boiler plate and one of those boiler plate questions really turned out to be not to be boiler plate at all. It turned out to be very, very sad. That question was, does the decedent Shanann have any surviving children or descendants. And they had to check that box no. Kirk, do you have any idea whether they would have read that in you know, open court, over that phone line so that Chris would have to digest that moment?
NURMI: I really don't know. I have not done probate, myself. But my guess would be that would be a part of the record in terms of the formalities that were made in court, to lay down that record. To make sure that record was full and complete.
BANFIELD: Kirk, stand by for a moment. I want to bring in Bonnie Bowles. Because you just mentioned it, probate is unique. And Bonnie happens to be an estate probate attorney and in Colorado, too, so you know, a thing or two about this. Not only that, you are a personal family attorney and a
family wealth planning institute. So, Bonnie, tell me about this, like normally boring, perfunctory kind of hearing, it was scheduled for an hour, it ended up in ten minutes, does that all sound normal or did something go off?
family wealth planning institute. So, Bonnie, tell me about this, like normally boring, perfunctory kind of hearing, it was scheduled for an hour, it ended up in ten minutes, does that all sound normal or did something go off?
BONNIE BOWLES, ESTATE AND PROBATE ATTORNEY: Hi, Ashleigh, it's great to be with you. I would actually consider a 10-minute hearing probably normal for what they were discussing today. The petition that Frank Sr. filed is for both to have him appointed as personal representative, which is what was discussed today as well as determine Shanann's heirs. And that, from what I can tell, especially from the fact that the hearing was only 10 minutes, was not discussed today.
So I don't think that question about did Shanann leave any surviving children would have been asked in open court today, but I do anticipate there is going to be a future hearing to determine who her heirs are.
BANFIELD: That is what becomes so fascinating here. Because typically if you're entire family is wiped out, that surviving family member or spouse would end up being the beneficiary. And listen, it doesn't matter what you think. Shanann didn't leave a will. And so the state kicks in. Given that, Bonnie, Shanann didn't leave a will. Does that mean instantly the state says, the surviving spouse gets everything?
BOWLES: Well, that is what the probate code says. However, there is another statute, called the slayer statute. Does that clarify?
Listen, if you are inheriting, but you are the one who cause the fact that the inheritance is even happening, then you don't get to financially profit from the estate anymore.
Even though, Chris, in normal circumstance, would have been considered the sole heir of Shanann's estate, if that statute kicks in, which would be the case if he is found to be convicted.
That means he is treated as if he pre deceased her, and then the statute says, OK, then if she left any surviving children. They're not the heirs; we know that is not the case [because they too are deceased]. So then it goes to her parents in equal shares.
BANFIELD: And would they have to actually start the statute? Would they have to take any kind of action to get the slayer statute into play or does it automatically happen?
BOWLES: So it would need to be alleged in a motion to have the judge determine what's called her intesstate heirs, and it means passed away without a will. So we're looking at Colorado statute.
BANFIELD: So they need a lawyer, they need a lawyer, they need somebody to advise them as to how to sort of get that ball rolling. One quick question, and I just got this, Bonnie, it's really interesting. It's the quit claim deed on their house, that house on Saratoga Trail, we have been seeing in the pictures. It's a beautiful home outside and inside. It's fairly new. Just a few-years-old. It's in a brand new development. And it was worth upwards of I think $400,000. That is a lot of money. It says that the deed is made between Christopher Lee Watts and the County of Weld and the state of Colorado, grantors, and Christopher Lee Watts and Shanann Watts as joint tenants. That effectively means they owned the house together, correct?
BOWLES: Correct. He essentially gifted his half to her when he signed that deed.
BANFIELD: So, well, help me out there. He gifted his half to her? Meaning she owns this house, by the state?
BOWLES: No, he gifted half of what they own in that house to her. Yes.
BANFIELD: So we're still at the same spot here, where it is half and half and one-half is deceased.
And now we need to decide this state needs to decide if the other half caused that death and, therefore is not privy to the benefits of Shanann.
And if that is the case, then you would need a conviction? You'd have to wait right through the whole process to a conviction, correct?
BOWLES: Yes, that is what the statute says. It uses the word convicted.
Now, what is very, very interesting about that deed it says that they are joint tenants. Now, again, under normal circumstances, what that word would mean or that phrase, joint tenants, is that Chris would inherit Shanann's half automatically without the probate court involved whatsoever if she passed away before him.
Now, because we're in a situation where potentially he was the cause of the fact that he'd be receiving her half, pursuant to the phrase joint tenants, now a question is raised as to whether he can actually receive that by way of that phrase on the deed.
And so I've actually dealt with a probate case here in Denver, where it was a similar scenario, wife killed husband or was accused of killing him. They own the home as joint tenants, and when her family went to try to sell the home to support their minor children, financially, the title company refused to move forward until that half was clarified in the courts.
BANFIELD: I guess it's also dry until you realize what the stakes are here. Because there are plenty of people, very angry about the notion that a man facing this heinous crime, could be the, you know, could inherit everything. And so it's fascinating to hear how you put it and how probate lists it out and the fight that actually has to ensue.
Hold that thought for a moment, Bonnie, if you will, because there is also a lot of noise being made right now about whether, in fact, the police have enough evidence to be able to convict him. How can anybody possibly know?
We are seven weeks into what could be a year's long case. And not only that, what about that alleged confession? Is there any way that could be tossed out? Those questions next.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Three counts of murder in the first degree.
One count naming Shanann Watts. One count, naming Bella, one count naming Celeste.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chris Watts is alone 23 hours a day.
WATTS: I need to see everybody again. This house is not complete with anybody here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He never once cried.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I look at my little girl asleep. I don't know how anybody can do that.
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BANFIELD: There are two sides to this story. One side explains why Chris Watts is in jail facing five counts of first degree murder with police saying he killed his whole family. And his news stories rise to the surface like the stories about Chris' alleged affairs.
That side of the story starts sounding worse and worse for him, but the other side of the story is the one police allegedly heard from Chris, himself, when they brought him in for questioning. Not Chris Watts the killer, but Chris Watts the caring dad, who says he witnessed a nightmare. His own wife strangling their beautiful daughters and was forced to do something about it, himself.
The police just did not buy that for a moment. And that is why he is sitting in the courtroom in orange in this picture. And if he ends up in a courtroom at the end of this process for a trial, a jury may not buy that story either, but all of it could come down to just one juror. One, thinking maybe. Maybe, maybe his story is possible.
Joining me now defense attorney and the man who was tasked with defending Jody Arias.
Kirk Nurmi, he wrote a book about the experience that just about sums it up: Trapped with Miss Arias.
Kirk, I want to ask you, what it is like when you are tasked with defending someone who is not likable. Jodi was not likable. You said it yourself, nine days out of 10, you didn't like Jodi Arias. Those were your words, and this man is not likable mostly because he got up in front of the television cameras the day after the death and told everyone that his family was missing. Only days later, he would say he buried them. So what is it like to be task with defending someone everyone hates?
NURMI: Well, as you say, though, it's not a matter of liking him. How you feel about him personally doesn't really factor into it. I use the analogy of a surgeon doing a surgery on some of the contents to the E.R. You don't assess their background on whether you like them when you do it. You go to work, you focus on their legal interests. And that is what you are there to protect as best as you can, so the animosity outside of the courtroom is something that you do your best to ignore.
BANFIELD: I know that you are not privy to the discovery in the case against Chris Watts; the defenders of Chris Watts only just got it, and I think some of it the other day.
So there is a lot that we don't know in this case. It's a little difficult for me to ask you to be an armchair quarterback in this. With what you do know, do you have any idea of how you would tackle this, I think fair to say uphill battle?
NURMI: Well, obviously, like you said, there is a lot of factors we don't know, regarding the autopsy, maybe the text messages, things that were found on their phone. But given that Colorado does have the death penalty and given the inherent just abhorrent behavior involved in this case — as with the case with any murder — but we're also talking about a man possibly killing his two children, I would be looking at trying to plea this case out before it ever made its why to a courtroom, trying to make sure that the death penalty was off the table and justice was served and working with that county attorney to try to resolve things in that manner.
BANFIELD: So you are way better at this than I am. I am just on TV. And you actually have a law degree. I have to beg to differ on this. Because it looks to me, with this fact pattern that he allegedly, if you believe the police version of the affidavit, he confessed to them. He gave them his fact pattern. That he witnessed his wife strangling two kids. He jumped in a rage and killed her. If you can get one juror to believe that, then I think as I've heard it, you can get that intent reduced to recklessness or criminal negligence, because he was in defense of others. Now, that changes the entire ball game here. That doesn't mean you will just spend life in prison. That actually means you could get out with just manslaughter and maybe just 10 years. Am I wrong?
NURMI: Well, are you not wrong, but you're thinking, from Mr. Watts' perspective, would be a bit wishful. When you go in front of a jury, and you have the kind of fact pattern that you have, the reasonable doubt that you have is lesser. It is decreased. We're talking about a dad killing his own children. So he is already going to be looked at with rightfully skeptical eyes. We also already have inconsistent stories here. So, yes, the jury would have to believe it, but it depends on what the contradiction, what could be lost if you go to trial. Could it be his entire life or could it in fact be lethal injection? That is the calculus that has to be done. Because I think the likelihood of this being proven, his story being proven, this manslaughter-related story is probably pretty unlikely.
BANFIELD: Well, I would agree with you, except for, because I feel like I'm a reasonable person. I feel like I'd be a good juror because I am reasonable and I know the definition reasonable doubt.
But I've also covered cases where I could not believe the level of irrationality when it came to determining that doubt. I'm talking about Casey Anthony. That one was to me looked like a layup. I'm talking about O.J. That looked like a layup, too.
I can sit here for the next two hours and look at cases that look like layups. And yet one juror, one juror thought, I don't know, maybe, could be, and that's why I say, if you are stubborn, if you are pig headed about it, couldn't a Chris Watts look right back at his attorneys and say, I'm going for it?
KIRK NURMI, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR JODI ARIAS: You bet. I mean, ultimately the only thing the the attorney can do is advise him. The attorney could say, here's how it's going to look, here's what the autopsy showed, here's what the state is going to present, you know what's on your phone, you know what was on your Facebook. Do you want to take that chance of the contrasting consequence?
And ultimately all the attorney can do is advise. They can't twist a client's arm. They can't do anything. They say this is the fact, this is what I think will happen. And it's up to Mr. Watts to say, he can look them still in the eye and say, I don't care, I want to go to trial, I'm innocent, I want to testify, I can prove I'm innocent, what have you?
It is entirely up to him. And we don't know the kind of advice the lawyers are giving him. But I can guess they'd be looking at trying to resolve this case short of going to trial, especially if the death penalty is on the table.
BANFIELD: So one big question for you. And I thought I knew right away what your answer was going to be because almost every case that has an alleged confession, the lawyers start right away by trying to suppress it. Figure out a way to get that nasty little thing out of the case so that
really big ball of ugliness isn't facing down your client through that trial. And you disagree, you think that will be just about the worst thing that Chris Watts could do, get rid of that confession. Why?
NURMI: Well, it depends on the ultimate situation, the ultimate defense. But if he is arguing a manslaughter situation, if he is looking to show that he wasn't guilty of first degree murder, you say, OK, he made this admission. It was clearly against his interest, ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Because it was true, therefore, convict him of this crime, not the other. And think about what that would mean in terms of a defense and an outcome.
That would be one count of manslaughter and the count of wrongful termination of a pregnancy, as opposed to three counts of first degree murder. That it would be a much different scenario.
So, the confession is actually a lot more favorable than the possible outcomes that Mr. Watts can face at trial.
BANFIELD: So fascinating. I think you are right, absolutely right. If that confession isn't there, all you're left with is a guy who's going to point a finger at some boogeyman, who then cleaned up the mess of the boogeyman. You are right. It doesn't make sense. You kind of have to have some of those facts that are obvious figured out.
By the way, were you a public defender for Jodi? Did you ultimately end up being a public defender for Jodi?
NURMI: Yeah, sure. I was assigned the case in 2009 when I worked as a public defender. By the time 2013 rolled around, I was on my own but the court had ordered that I still keep the case while I am in private practice.
BANFIELD: I remember that. Thank you for that. Because some of the best attorneys in this country, I will say this, early and often, are public defenders. Public defenders are unbelievably hardworking, unbelievably skilled. They do some of the best work in our system of jurisprudence.
But being a public defender also comes with its challenges. But what about when your defendant might have a trial that's grabbing the attention and the headlines all around the nation? What kind of hurdles does a defense attorney face then when it is all so unbearably public? That's next.
BANFIELD: When your client lies and lies and lies and lies outwardly to everyone, oh, and has an affair with someone at work, he is understandably hated by a lot of people watching the case. But how do you avoid being guilty by association and being hated, too, for representing him?
Kirk Nurmi joins me again. Kirk, it is no secret, but in representing Jodi Arias, you got death threats.
NURMI: I did, indeed. I mean, there is fundamental misconception that defense attorneys and public defenders are there because they believe and support their client as opposed to believing in the constitutional rights that's afforded everyone and that motivates a lot of anger in people with that misunderstanding.
BANFIELD: Well, I certainly hope that Kate Herold and John Walsh are not receiving any of this kind of attention. It is appalling to think that by standing up for the United States constitution and giving everyone their God-given right to a defense, they are somehow doing something wrong.
It's why we're not Iraq. It's why we are not a lot of places that can just hood you and throw you in the (INAUDIBLE). And that's justice. It's why we are, I believe, better beings, because people like you do that kind of work. So hats off to you.
Quick question for you. How long is this going to take? I think some people have felt like, well, justice will be next spring. It's not like that. Your client, I think, murdered in '08 and was convicted in 2013. And by my math, which is limited, that's five years. That is a long process.
Do you expect that for Chris Watts?
NURMI: Well, it's hard to say. One of the things that I think is looming over this case like a cloud is the spectre of the death penalty. If the state of Colorado decides to seek the death penalty against Mr. Watts, the time of this case will drag on, because then those defense attorneys will have to investigate his life from birth, conception, really, all the way up to the day of sentencing. So, that puts things on a different time frame.
There were a lot of variables and areas that I don't want to go into, why this took so long. But, yes, certainly, two years is not unheard of when we talk about a death penalty case, if it goes to trial.
BANFIELD: And that's — I think that's quick. Two years for a death penalty. And we don't know if it's the death penalty yet. He still got plenty of time down the road, the D.A. to determine that.
So I know that your modus operandi for dealing with a case like this is just head down, do the work, try to avoid the headlines, try to stay out of the spotlight.
Do you think that was at play today on that telephone call when Chris Watts simply ceded the probate control over to Shanann Watts' dad? No opposition, no nothing. Is that a part of the strategy?
NURMI: Well that would be my assumption. If I was his criminal defense lawyer, I would be advising him to do just that, to say very little, to understand who is watching him, particularly the D.A. that is making that decision, and understand, telling Mr. Watts that even fighting this battle is a losing effort and he's better served keeping his mouth shut, taking his medicine as it relates to this, and focusing on his criminal case.
BANFIELD: So one of the most damaging aspects to Chris Watts' case is what he did in front of television cameras, effectively hours after his wife went quote/unquote missing. He stood on the porch and told the world, help me, help me, help me find my missing wife and kids, only later to fully concede he buried them.
Take a look at this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I don't know where my kids are. I don't know where Shanann is. It's not something I could ever fathom would happen in my lifetime, and I have no inclination of where she is.
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BANFIELD: Kirk, the prosecutor is going to put a big, old T.V. screen up in that courtroom, if there is a courtroom. They are going to play that for the jury and they are going to say, once a liar, always a liar. He lied then, and he is lying now. How do you get over that?
NURMI: Well, that's going to be for Mr. Watts and his attorneys to figure out. What was the explanation? Why did he do that? Was he trying to act consistent with innocence? That sort of thing. It's certainly going to be a prior inconsistent statement.
So they're going to have to offer an explanation for that to the jury as to why he would do that. Was he hiding something? Was he trying to act innocent from the manslaughter charge? What was he doing?
BANFIELD: All right. Kirk, thank you for that. If you can stand by for a moment. Shanann Watts' phone just ever present in her hand while she was doing her Facebook lives. It was like all our phones, it was with us at all times. So it begs that question: Could the phone have been recording the night of her death? If it was, what might that tell us? That's next.
BANFIELD: Some of the best questions in this extraordinary mystery actually come from you on Facebook. To that end, Nita Ann Jeanfreau asked this: Could it be that Chris Watts had his girlfriend over that weekend — This was when Shanann was away — and that he freaked out about the girls telling their mom, so he killed them?
Maybe he killed Shanann at the top of the stairs where her phone was found before she saw that her kids were missing.
Art Roderick, this is a great question for you as a former assistant director of the U.S. Marshals and CNN law enforcement agent —
ART RODERICK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST, FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, U.S. MARSHALS: Hi, Ashleigh.
BANFIELD: — analyst, rather. That does sound like it is a logical theory. And don't police have to sort of run through theories to see if the evidence fits?
RODERICK: They do. They have to run through every single theory.
In this particular case, I mean, the key part here is we have a confession. In that confession, he talks about how he sees his wife Shanann killing the two girls and he, in a fit of rage, goes up and kills her. Does that fit with a particular scenario? It doesn't.
But this is all part of the investigation. I mean, they made the arrest fairly quickly after the crime was committed, and then that means they had all this time to start putting this case together.
And I believe the next hearing is coming up November 19th, so they've been working this case all the way through and talking to everybody, peeling back the layers of his life — to figure out who he talked to, who he was having these affairs with, what conversation was he having, what type of electronic footprint does he have — in putting all that information together to make the case for the prosecution.
BANFIELD: Art, I'm going to get you to answer this next question as well. It's from Tim Leighty, and Tim asked a good one about the phone being found in that landing upstairs between the couch pillows. What if Shanann was recording on her phone and she ran through that area, that lofted area, and hid the phone right before she was killed. Evidence for the police.
Does that constitute like a dying declaration? You're always allowed to confront your accuser by our constitution, but if your accuser is dead, you can't confront your accuser. There's ways around that like dying declarations. You can use them. Would that constitute that?
RODERICK: It would, and video evidence from a deceased person has been used in the past in different murder cases. So, if that was the case, I mean, she had the wherewithal, she was always on that phone making videos and recording.
So, could that be the case? If the answer is yes, law enforcement has that phone in evidence. And if she did make a recording on there, this is going to play heavily into the prosecution of Chris Watts.
BANFIELD: So fascinating. I am still completely stumped by that phone being in the sofa pillows.
RODERICK: Right.
BANFIELD: Thank you for that, Art. Stand by for a moment. Today was such a busy day in the case of Chris Watts. He did appear before a probate judge in the form of a conference call. And also on that call, Shanann's father Frank, Shanann's brother Frankie, and Shanann's mom Sandy. The details of the harrowing call, coming up.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): Another bombshell tonight.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep the prayers coming for our family.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice over): The phone call no parent can prepare for.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): You will always be daddy's little girl.
BANFIELD (voice over): With her daughters and granddaughters accused killer on the other end of the line.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): You have to be sensitive towards the family because they have lost their daughter and they are devastated.
BANFIELD: Did Chris Watts speak to his in laws for the first time since police say he killed his family.
CHRIS WATTS, SUSPECTED MURDERER: We had an emotional conversation. I will leave it at that.
BANFIELD: What could he possibly have to say to them from behind bars?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's not doing well at all.
BANFIELD: As they handle what's left of Shanann's life. Shanann's father moving what appeared to be a mirror.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I guess, you know, really kind of broke my heart than make it even more real.
BANFIELD: How could Chris defend himself now?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What you want to do is make sure he doesn't say anything that could be used against him.
BANFIELD: Will his lawyers try to get the alleged confession thrown out?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As Chris allegedly told police, a father that flew into a rage when he saw his wife strangling their daughters.
BANFIELD: The man who represented one of the most hated killers in the country.
JODI ANN ARIAS, CONVICTED MURDERER: This is the worst mistake of my life.
BANFIELD: Will help us hash out what could be a dark denial.
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BANFIELD: Good evening, everyone. I am Ashleigh Banfield. This is Crime and Justice. And tonight, the darkest developments since Chris Watts was put in handcuffs, accused of killing his wife and daughters, dumping their bodies at his work site, then telling everyone they were missing.
The formerly heroic family man spent seven weeks in jail, solitary, all alone, 23 hours a day.
Today, Chris Watts got to venture out to the phone banks because today Chris Watts had a very important call.
And on the other end of that call, the brother and the parents of the dead pregnant wife Chris Watts allegedly confessed to strangling.
The uncle and the grandparents of the dead little girls' police say he submerged in the oil tanks. No doubt that uncle and those grandparents had some choice words for their inmate of an in-law.
But today, the conversation may have been limited because they had something specific to sort out. They had something urgent.
Joining me live, Crime and Justice Producer Kyle Peltz. the notion that this family after all they have gone through, trying to deal with the reality of losing their daughter, their granddaughters, burying them in North Carolina, found themselves on a phone call, the first confrontation with Chris Watts since they lost Shanann.
Regarding Chris Watts, the police noted: "He seemed to smile/smirk inappropriately, displaying a lack of empathy, specifically when speaking about his children."
Excerpts from Interview of Chris Watts in Dodge Correctional Facility, February 2019
Chris: Yeah, she — I mean, it was — I had already kinda knew that, you know, using that credit card was kinda, it was —
Grahm: — was that intentional?
[Using the credit card to pay for dinner with his mistress — Shanann could see the charges and realized it didn’t add up. Based on the Discovery and texts with her friends, this really seemed to cement her feelings that Chris may be having an affair or hiding something from her. The dinner was too expensive for just him. She knew something was not right.]
Tammy: Yeah?
Chris: I had no other way to do it. Like, I had got Anadarko gift cards from, like, you know, doing good stuff at work and stuff, like, that, and I had used them all.
Grahm: Ohhh. Was part of you just, like: “Aww, screw it whatever — I don’t care. I’m using this card?”
Chris: I — I — part of me just wants to say: “Nikki could you pay for this?” (laughs). I don’t know, even, I think, from what my attorneys said, she [Nikki] even noticed I used a different card, like, a blue card, and she thought, you know, I felt comfortable enough just to use a bank account or something. I told her [Shanann] I was going to a Rockies game, and I told you [the CBI/police] I was going to a Rockies game. It felt like, you know, looking back at everything, and reading The Scripture more and more now, I can see like, ya know, God told me, like, gave me opportunities to get out. Even my friend Jeremy Lindstrom — he even invited me, cuz like it was his daughter that came and watched the kids Saturday… that Saturday night — and he was, like, “Hey, instead of going to a Rockies game you wanna go with me to a Broncos game and watch the Arizona Cardinals”? Like, in my mind it was like, you know, “Don’t.” Just say, “Hey, I can’t find a babysitter.”
Grahm: To Nikki?
Chris: Yeah. And maybe that would have been, like, you know, a light switch in my head goes off… a light switch in her head goes off… maybe just, like, goes different directions.
Grahm: Mhhmm.
Chris: That was kinda, like, my last opportunity to get out it seems like. I wish I woulda just said [to Jeremy], “Yeah, lets go!” I think that woulda just put me on a different trajectory.
[Agreeing to go with his friend Jeremy to the game instead of going out with his mistress.]
Grahm: So, then Shanann, did she actually say, “You’re never gonna see the kids again”?
Chris: She said it to me before.
Grahm: Yeah, that must be hard to hear.
Chris: Yeah, cuz she said [it] to me before she went to Arizona, cuz I wasn’t really sleeping in the bedroom — I sleeping on the couch or in the basement bed or something — and she had slammed the door, said you’re never gonna see the kids again.
[...]
Chris: I figured that out, after meeting with John [Walsh] and everybody, that she [Nikki] had met with somebody from CBI, like, on the 14th or 15th. I was, like, they were talking — oh, okay. You already knew. So, but —
[John is John Walsh, Chris' lead defense attorney and a relative of Nichol Kessinger.]
Tammy: I mean, I didn’t know how extensive it was, but yes, we knew.
Chris: Walking in there that day, just walking into that room, I knew I wasn’t walking out. Just the feeling I had walking in that room. Just the — I mean, I don’t remember if the polygraph stuff was already in there, I think it was, but it was, I knew —
Tammy: What made you do that, Chris? What made you plead guilty?
Chris: I didn’t want them to go through this for two or four years. I didn’t want my attorneys to lie for me for four years. I mean, they would have done anything I told them to do. I don’t see how they can do that — that’s what attorneys do, like they take their defendant and say, "Hey, what happened, okay we’ll go with that story." Like, I told them everything that I just told you guys, and it’s just, like, they got together [and said]: "Well, if they ever offered plea deal, would you ever want it? Just plead guilty to it?" I’m, like, "Yeah, if we can end this, end this." Back in September, I told them that.
Tammy: Really?
Chris: Yeah, but, it was way too early and prosecution was still doing their investigation, grabbing evidence and all kinds of stuff. That really wasn’t on the table. I think it was around Halloween, that’s when the prosecution went to Frank and Sandy and Frankie’s house and was talking, "If we could end this would you be open to that?" And that’s when the whole death penalty, all of that conversation, happened. I guess they were surprised that it would just be over.
Tammy: Yeah, we were all in shock, I’m not gonna lie.
Chris: Yeah, that was, like —
Tammy: It was like we were going 100 miles per hour and we hit a brick wall. That’s what it felt like to all of us, so, I mean, obviously you had more time to contemplate it then us.
Chris: I mean, I told John and Kate and Sophia and Amy if we can just stop this — I know everybody’s telling me to fight this, there’s not enough evidence for this and that. And I’m, like: “No. Honestly, this needs to end.” For Frank and everybody to have to fly back to Colorado every single time and get reminded of this — I’m sure it’s never going to go away, but to have to come and talk about it, have other people talk about it, have, you know, all three of you get on the witness stand and say what they saw, what they’ve seen, what they heard on tapes, and everything like that. I don’t want people to have to relive that over and over and over again for years. Like, if I could just end this for everybody, and there was any closure at all, they could start then instead of 2022 — that way it would only get worse, for everybody.
Tammy: So, did it have anything to do with you not having the death penalty?
Chris: No, like, honestly, when I was sitting it that cell, I felt I should die. I was listening to everybody [other prisoners] telling me, like: “Hey, if you do this and this, you can hang yourself from that cell. You can do this and that” —
Tammy: They were like telling you stuff you could do?
Chris: Yeah, that you could drown yourself in the toilet if you wanted to fill your toilet bowl up or something like that. They’ve been there a bunch of times and, at one point, I was listening to them. I was just, like, you know, I just felt, like, maybe there’s a different purpose for me somewhere. Maybe it’s here. I don’t know. I prayed to God every day that He would move me away from Colorado, like, move me away from the DOC there. They were saying there was a hit on me! They said if I was going to a DOC in Colorado I’d last a week and I’d be dead. There’s, like, the gangs and all the kind of stuff. So, I just feel like God moved me here [Dodge prison in Wisconsin] for a reason, and hopefully I can help people that way. I didn’t want my family, I didn’t want Shanann’s family and all of our friends, having to go through that because, after awhile, I knew that, like, this stuff was everywhere. And I knew all her Thrive friends and everybody... it would just... break that hole in their hearts a little bit bigger every time. I didn’t want that. I knew it would have gotten worse. I didn’t want it to get any worse than it already was.
Grahm: Did you ever think about: “Boy, you know, it could be very believable what I told them. It could be very believable that Shanann did end the girls — and so maybe if I try to convince people that — maybe if I fought with my attorneys on that — maybe I could lessen it somehow.” Did you ever think about that?
Chris: Honestly, I never thought about the story until you guys mentioned it.
Grahm: Yeah?
Chris: Yeah.
Tammy: I wondered.
Chris: I never even thought about it 'til you guys mentioned it.
Tammy: What did you think about it once it got mentioned?
Chris: Just, like, I just went with it. I knew my dad was out there, and I knew they would probably believe it because my mom and my sister just never really liked Shanann. I mean, through all this, I got letters from some of my friends, even said: “You know, when we were over your house, we could see Shanann was more of a dominant personality, and you’re always helping with the kids and everything, and you’re a great dad and everything. We could see a couple things I never saw and whatnot.” Even my best friend Mark even said, “You know, there’s always something that I didn’t really get with Shanann.” And, I’m just, like, nobody ever told me any of this stuff. But, yeah, I never thought about that story. That’s what my attorneys were going with, and then, like, I think it was probably the second week, I told them what really happened.
Tammy: What did they say after that?
Chris: They were quiet. They were writing it down. They said they wouldn’t judge me, so I told them. I told them about everything that happened. And, they, you know, appreciated it. I guess, most of the time, other defendants or their defense don’t tell them actually what happened, they just tell them: “Get me out of here, this is what happened.” But I told them what happened. I didn’t want them going... if this was going to go like anywhere in courts, I didn’t want them to be under a false pretense and get surprised. Cuz I know there were probably things that, like, you guys probably knew that, I mean, if I lied to them and just told them, “No, this is what happened,” it would have made them look, you know, foolish and stupid and just, like, unprepared. And I’m just, like, “This is what happened.” And they appreciated me telling them that so now they would be prepared. And that’s when they were saying, “If we ever went to them — the prosecution — and said, “We could end this,” would I be open to it? I’m, like, “If this could end, end it.”
Tammy: Do you feel like your lawyers were fair to you?
Chris: Yeah, they were my only human contact really. So they were almost like a guidance counsellor almost.
Tammy: Did you feel like you were driving the bus, though, with your decisions you made, or no?
Chris: Yeah, there was a lot of things I didn’t know were going on behind the scenes. Maybe there were a lot of things they never told me. Like, you know, like stuff that came out afterwards, like that whole Nikki Kissinger article in the Denver Post — they told me, like, afterwards and everything. I always felt like anything I was telling them they were fair, they were gonna do. Like, the whole taking the plea deal and everything — I told them that’s what I wanted to do. They asked me, it seems like 100 times, “Are you sure you want to do this?” Up until sentencing, I had time to back out. Before we walked into the courtroom, they were, like, “Are you sure?” I said, “Yeah, this is it.” They never told me this is what you have to do. They always just said, “This is your decision, if you want to take this further.” Even John said he had all kinds of motions written, all kinds of stuff that was really creative cuz he had never been in something like this before. He was ready to fight, and I was like: “I didn’t want you to have to do that. Not for me. Not for something that the story isn’t right…isn’t true.” It would have only gotten worse for everybody, for all three of you, for everybody that was involved in it.
Grahm: Are you still glad you did?
Chris: Yeah, I mean, I never thought I’d be in prison the rest of my life, but, like, I don’t want people to have to keep going through this every day of their lives, knowing there’s a trial hanging over their heads. I didn’t want people to have to relive it every day. Did they ever have to see the pictures? Frank and Sandy and all them?
Dave: No, they never saw them. They saw some things. They never saw anything bad — we shielded that from them.
Chris: Okay. I didn’t want them to have to see anything or hear anybody talk about… or anyone bash their daughter. Like, if some of my friends had a negative impact from her or had a description of her that didn’t match, I didn’t want them to hear that either. I didn’t want anyone to trash her memory. I wanted them to know she was a loving wife, she was beautiful, she always helped everybody else, all her friends, her Lupus friends… everybody. I don’t want anybody to take away what she did.
Tammy: We tried to get you to say that that night, do you remember that? I knew you obviously weren’t ready to say that then.
Chris: I know, I remember, after my dad left, you both came in, like, “Alright, we got most of the story, let’s get to the true story.” I just wanted to bang my head against the table.
Grahm: Well, in the end, I think you did the right thing, and even though it’s hard to hear, there’s a lot of people who thank you for what you did. I think your whole life has been thinking of others except for one, brief moment. I think you really did think of others when you made that choice. So, I personally thank you, right. It would have been hard for the three of us to go through not this hard or for everyone else, not that hard, right?
Chris: Anybody that was family or friends would have just been exponentially harder for everybody.
Kessinger probably opened the LLC (image above) to funnel the money they thought they’d get by blowing up Cervi 319 (and possibly blaming it on Shanann), but their plans were interrupted: first, by Shanann's plane being three hours late, then they didn't realize until after 8 AM on 8/13/2018 that Shanann had changed the passcode to her iPhone, and, finally, Nickole Atkinson called the cops to the Watts home after showing up at the house around noon on murder Monday (Chris wanted to return to work on Monday and Tuesday but Anadarko forbid him from doing so; he was interrogated for the murders starting on Wednesday morning and arrested for the murders by midnight that day and subsequently fired from Anadarko).
"If finger nails scratching slowly down a chalkboard had a voice, it would be hers. She really is quite proud of herself for being this 'amazing' women with a perfect credit score. The day after they were murdered, NK searched how much Amber Frey got for a book deal: no way she would have searched that if she didn’t KNOW they were dead. NK gave this interview on the same day that CW, later in the day, confessed but NK didn’t know this when she was talking to them."
Excerpts from a study of malignant narcissism
By Dr. M. Scott Peck
In the course of his career as a psychiatrist, Dr. Peck encountered several clients whose narcissism didn't quite fit the categories of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. Although a professing Christian, Peck's purpose was not to present a biblical study of evil. Rather, he proposed evil as a diagnosis of pathology—yes, mental illness—for these people. They are not operating in the same reality as the rest of us.
The Narcissist: Unsubmitted Will
The essential psychological problem of human evil, I believe, is a particular variety of narcissism... one that particularly afflicts the will. p 80
Malignant narcissism is characterized by an unsubmitted will. All adults who are mentally healthy submit themselves one way or another to something higher than themselves, be it God or truth or love or some other ideal... They believe in what is true rather than what they would like to be true. In summary, to a greater or lesser degree, all mentally healthy individuals submit themselves to the demands of their own conscience.
Not so the evil, however... They are men and women of obviously strong will, determined to have their own way. Such people literally live "in a world of their own" in which the self reigns supreme. p 78,162
The Narcissist: Disguise and Pretense
While they seem to lack any motivation to be good, they intensely desire to appear good. Their "goodness" is all on a level of pretense. It is, in effect, a lie. That is why they are the "people of the lie". The wickedness of the evil is not committed directly, but indirectly as a part of this cover-up process. p 76
Those who are evil are masters of disguise; they are not apt to wittingly disclose their true colors—either to others or to themselves. p 104
Because they are such experts at disguise, it is seldom possible to pinpoint the maliciousness of the evil. The disguise is usually impenetrable (p 76) ... naturally, since it is designed to hide its opposite, the pretense chosen by the evil is most commonly the pretense of love. p 106
The Narcissist: Refusal to Acknowledge Sin
It is necessary that we first draw the distinction between evil and ordinary sin. It is not their sins per se that characterize evil people...The central defect of the evil is not the sin but the refusal to acknowledge it. p 69
If evil people cannot be defined by the illegality of their deeds or the magnitude of their sins, then how are we to define them? The answer is by the consistency of their sins. While usually subtle, their destructiveness is remarkably consistent. This is because those who have "crossed over the line" are characterized by their absolute refusal to tolerate the sense of their own sinfulness. p 71
The evil hate the light—the light of goodness that shows them up, the light of scrutiny that exposes them, the light of truth that penetrates their deception. p 179
Rather than blissfully lacking a sense of morality, like the sociopath, they are continually engaged in sweeping the evidence of their evil under the rug of their own consciousness. p 76
The poor in spirit do not commit evil. Evil is not committed by people who feel uncertain about their righteousness, who question their own motives, who worry about betraying themselves.
The evil in this world is committed by the spiritual fat cats, by the Pharisees of our own day, the self-righteous who think they are without sin because they are unwilling to suffer the discomfort of significant self-examination.
Unpleasant though it may be, the sense of personal sin is precisely that which keeps our sin from getting out of hand. It is quite painful at times, but it is a very great blessing because it is our one and only effective safeguard against our own proclivity for evil. p 71-72
The Narcissist: Self-Image of Perfection
Utterly dedicated to preserving their self-image of perfection, [the evil] are unceasingly engaged in the effort to maintain the appearance of moral purity. They worry about this a great deal. They are acutely sensitive to social norms and what others might think of them. Outwardly [they] seem to live lives that are above reproach. The words "image," "appearance," and "outwardly" are crucial to understanding the morality of the evil. p 75
The Narcissist: Excessive Intolerance of Criticism
In Martin Buber's words, the malignantly narcissistic insist upon "affirmation independent of all findings." p 80
Self-criticism is a call to personality change...The evil are pathologically attached to the status quo of their personalities, which in their narcissism they consciously regard as perfect. I think it is quite possible that the evil may perceive even a small degree of change in their beloved selves as representing total annihilation. p 74
The Narcissist: Scapegoating
[Evil is] the use of power to destroy the spiritual growth of others for the purpose of defending and preserving the integrity of our own sick selves. In short, it is scapegoating. p 119
A predominant characteristic...of the behavior of those I call evil is scapegoating. Because in their hearts they consider themselves above reproach, they must lash out at any one who does reproach them. They sacrifice others to preserve their self-image of perfection. p 73
Since the evil, deep down, feel themselves to be faultless, it is inevitable that when they are in conflict with the world they will invariably perceive the conflict as the world's fault. Since they must deny their own badness, they must perceive others as bad.
They project their own evil onto the world. They never think of themselves as evil; on the other hand, they consequently see much evil in others...Evil, then, is most often committed in order to scapegoat, and the people I label as evil are chronic scapegoaters...The evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. p 73-74
The Narcissist: Intellectual Deviousness
[A] reaction that the evil frequently engender in us is confusion. Describing an encounter with an evil person, one woman wrote, it was "as if I'd suddenly lost my ability to think"... This reaction is quite appropriate. Lies confuse. The evil are "the people of the lie", deceiving others as they also build layer upon layer of self-deception.
The Narcissist: Coercion and Control of Others
[Evil is] the exercise of political power—that is, the imposition of one's will upon others by overt or covert coercion—in order to avoid... spiritual growth... Because their willfulness is so extraordinary—and always accompanied by a lust for power—I suspect that the evil are more likely than most to politically aggrandize themselves... There is a remarkable power in the manner in which they attempt to control others. p 78
[In describing one of his patients, Peck says] Charlene's desire to make a conquest of me... to utterly control our relationship, knew no bounds. It seemed to be a desire for power purely for its own sake. She wanted the reigns in her hands every moment. p 176, 158
The Narcissist: Lack of Empathy
Theirs is a brand of narcissism so total that they seem to lack, in whole or in part, the capacity for empathy.
Their narcissism makes the evil dangerous not only because it motivates them to scapegoat others but also because it deprives them of the restraint that results from empathy and respect for others.
In addition to the fact that the evil need victims to sacrifice to their narcissism, their narcissism permits them to ignore the humanity of their victims as well.
The blindness of the narcissist to others can extend even beyond a lack of empathy; narcissists may not "see" others at all.
There are boundaries to the individual soul. And in our dealings with each other we generally respect these boundaries. It is characteristic of—and prerequisite for—mental health both that our own ego boundaries should be clear and that we should clearly recognize the boundaries of others. We must know where we end and others begin. p 136-137
The Narcissist: Greed
[The evil] are, in my experience, remarkably greedy people. Thus, they are cheap. p 72.
The Narcissist: Symbiotic Relationship
Another form of devastation that narcissistic intrusiveness can create is the symbiotic relationship. "Symbiosis"—as we use the term in psychiatry—is not a mutually beneficial state of interdependence. Instead it refers to a mutually parasitic and destructive coupling. In the symbiotic relationship neither partner will separate from the other even though it would obviously be beneficial to each if they could. p 137
I doubt that it is possible for two utterly evil people to live together in the close quarters of a sustained marriage. They would be too destructive for the necessary cooperation... In every evil couple, if we could examine them closely enough, I imagine we would find one partner at least slightly in thrall to the other. p 119 For adults to be the victims of evil, they too must be powerless to escape... They may be powerless by virtue of their own failure of courage... bound by chains of laziness and dependency. p 119-120
Evil in Families
It is my experience that evil seems to run in families. p 80
If evil were easy to recognize, identify and manage, there would be no need for this book. But the fact of the matter is that it is the most difficult of all things with which to cope. p 130 [Evil] will contaminate or otherwise destroy a person who remains too long in its presence. p 65
The evil deny the suffering of their guilt—the painful awareness of their sin, inadequacy, and imperfection—by casting their pain onto the other through projection and scapegoating. They themselves may not suffer, but those around them do. The evil cause suffering. The evil create for those under their dominion a miniature sick society. p 123-124
It happens then, that the children of evil parents enter adulthood with very significant psychiatric disturbances.
It is doubtful that some can be wholly healed of their scars from having had to live in close quarters with evil without correctly naming the source of their problems.
To come to terms with evil in one's parentage is perhaps the most difficult and painful psychological task a human being can be called on to face. Most fail and so remain its victims. Those who fully succeed in developing the necessary searing vision are those who are able to name it. p 130
In the video below, the two women on the left, Vanessa and Theresa, of Unmasked, are former friends of Jamie Watts. They both said they had no contact with Ronnie Watts or Cindy Watts, and they fell out with Jamie in October/November of 2020. The two women on the right were friends with both the Watts and Chris Watts. Shannon, the lady bottom right, had more contact with Chris than Sheri Ann, the lady top right. These two are also no longer in contact with the Watts or Chris Watts.
One of the important slants/theories in this video, but backed by intimate knowledge of how the Watts operate, is that it was premeditated to frame Shanann for killing the girls.
What I deduced from this video is that first Chris tried to KILL Shanann with the oxy (not just cause a miscarriage), and when that failed, he planned to kill them all, frame Shanann, and live happily ever after with NK. It appears he overdosed the children with oxy but "they woke back up" and Cece suffered in and out of consciousness before he took her to Cervi.
True Crime & Wine Wednesday 2/24/21
Streamed live on Feb 24, 2021
Unmasked
*****💛A message since this has clearly spread wide and far outside of Patreon💛****This video was made with one intent: to get the truth out and help us move on. This video IS NOT MONETIZED. It was never intended to be seen outside of Patreon. These murders happened in my community and I have followed the case since day 1. This case has become all consuming and toxic for all at this point because of what we discuss in this video. This case has held me back from releasing new content, consumed way too much of my time, and affected us in too many negative ways. We are not a "Watts channel" and I can't wait to explore other cases and actually try and help families who want it.I learned a few lessons too. Never again will I let certain boundaries be crossed and lose objectivity. So for those of you saying we did this for any other reason than above, that's not correct. For those of you we address in this video, you can continue to spin and try to do damage control. You are only upset because your house of cards is finally crumbling. We only released about 1/2 of what we could have. Even if you don't get justice in this world, I hope you get it in the next. After witnessing what we have, I can only imagine what Shanann's last weeks were like.
Shanann was "framed" in a pre-meditated way BEFORE Tammy Lee suggested, "Did Shanann do something to the kids?"
Significant_Peak_501 wrote:
I really don't know if oxy would have showed up in a toxicology report after being in oil tanks for I think it was three days, maybe four? But I agree, I have not seen solid evidence about oxy overdoses.
However, so much of what Chris says does not make sense. The only way "they woke back up again" makes sense is an overdose, not a smothering. If it was a smothering, I do not think CeCe would have "woke back up" at all. So yeah, he killed them twice.
Anyhow, Mark Gillespie is a bona fide legitimate forensic analysis and a crime scene specialist, and Unmasked, who put out the video, promises to have him on another video, and promises to go over the autopsy report again. I only did a "summary" of the video because someone here asked. But there is a great deal more information in the video that is not in my summary.
My main interest was that these four women, who have been closely involved with the Watts, are basically claiming that there was a premeditated effort [including the Watts family during the trip to North Carolina] to frame Shanann for killing the kids.
FreeLifeCreditCheck wrote:
Oxycodone would have been apparent in the girls' blood postmortem; we would have seen it in the toxicology results via the autopsy report. I do think it is possible, however, that the girls were strangled and/or smothered to the point of near death (e.g. they passed out), CW thought they were dead, and then they "came to" again. Please note that I say possible; obviously I do not know for sure because I was not there, but I do think it is certainly a possibility.
I think people in general believe that strangling/smothering/asphyxiation is a very quick death when it actually takes much longer. This false viewpoint could be caused by portrayals of "judicial hangings," where convicted criminals were hung through falling down through a trap door, their necks break, and they appear to die instantly from the hanging (when they actually died from the fall, not the hanging itself). However, certain forms of strangulation/asphyxiation may take minutes to reach the point of death. The person may pass out due to the loss of blood and oxygen to the brain, but it takes minutes for them to actually die from that loss.
As an added side note: those involved in sports such as Mixed Martial Arts may know about the difference between air-chokes and blood-chokes, as well as the differences in passing out from these chokes. I am not well-versed in that arena and cannot provide substantial data other than to comment that I do think it is possible the girls were near death from a strangulation and woke back up.
Significant_Peak_501 wrote:
Well, that is what I have though all along, that Chris strangled or smothered them at first, but the oxycodone overdose makes more sense. So I'll go with what makes sense, for starters, but I totally agree it needs supporting evidence. So I have to surmise that if this theory is true, that the evidence has not come to light yet, but I believe it will. The case has always needed forensic analysis, and expert opinion, and only recently some of them are starting to weigh in, at least I think so.
gingerfaith42 wrote:
There is nothing that indicates presence of opiates on either child’s autopsy. Petroleum products would not have covered them up, or somehow blocked them from testing. Autopsy is public record. There is chat about some supplement to the autopsy, but it’s public record so they can’t hold back little parts of it.
Significant_Peak_501 wrote:
The question is if the autopsy was a hair follicle sample.
gingerfaith42 wrote:
Yes, that would indicate use of a drug in the past 90 days. It’s not done postmortem. They don’t care how you lived your life... they want to know what killed you. The drug we are talking about is 80 mg of oxycodone. That’s an ER dose. It’s given to patients who have a current tolerance for opiates. It would completely flatten a child, and most adults. It’s not in their systems. There would have been no need to suffocate two toddlers if they’d been doped with that.
For CW to have had 7,000 photos of NK on his phone that leads me to believe this was a much longer relationship than they claimed.
Joan Bradley wrote:
I kinda knew about the sister but the family should all be charged. He is a monster. The fact that they were baiting SW is outrageous. They should be ashamed of themselves. I thought that he was going to setup SW but letting her find the girls and going in and trying to save them and then he got her from behind. That's why they were saying to do swabs of there neck. Just my theory.
Unmasked wrote:
If this is your first time I can definitely see why it's confusing. We're talking about the Watts. All four of us had experiences with them that we are sharing. There's also things shared about what CW said about the murders.
They were 40 mg tablets of Oxycodone.
Terrie Crocker wrote:
So are you all saying NK is totally the innocent victim here? Or they’re all involved?
Theresa S wrote:
NK is no victim.
Unmasked wrote:
My personal opinion is that all of these people had knowledge.
Again, not a sales pitch but we keep it in Patreon for a reason. Every time we do public Lives about Watts, we get trolled and it's a circus. We have it all in our True Crime and Wine Wednesdays and our private FB group.
raf fecondi wrote:
Ok Im going to come out and say this - despite promising myself I would never get drawn into the rabbit hole - but seriously I have weird ass screen shots I took of the cctv footage of the 'disposal' night (because I could not trust my senses to see everything there was to be seen at the time - so I wanted to 'meta analyse' the micro detail of footage in my own time) - and trust me these images are seriously weird and confronting - but among them - there are very clear images of a woman with blonde long hair / fringe - whom I could not place at all initially as I was not familiar with all the protagonists in the story (was thinking maybe NK wearing a wig??) - but who later, very much came to resemble the likeness of Jamie Watts. Probably sleight of hand and trick of the light stuff - but nevertheless VERY clear and if not literally representative of anything - possibly indicative of something?? (Energy cannot be separated from its host). Happy to share if you are interested to see for yourselves. Let me know if there is a PM box to drop to if you do?
Unmasked wrote:
unmaskedtruecrime@gmail.com
raf fecondi wrote:
I will send the images but pls don’t share at this point - there are good reasons why - will explain.
Peace Love & Light wrote:
Why haven’t SO MANY MORE people seen this? It is crazy! I still have questions but you really threw out some bombshells with this one!! New sub headed off to watch your history of lives!! Do the other two women have a channel?
Unmasked wrote:
Hello @Peace Love & Light 💜 This was our weekly Patreon True Crime & Wine that got leaked. We do have some public Lives but most of the ones like this are in there. Theresa and Sherie Ann are part of Unmasked. Shannon does not have a channel. I'm glad you liked it. 🥰😘
Peace Love & Light wrote:
@Unmasked I really liked it insofar as it seems like you guys “pierced the fourth wall” in a way. It felt very raw, very honest and very truthful. I imagine there will be backlash and I truly hope that it never puts any of you in danger. I rarely comment or participate on You Tube because I dislike the way it has become such a breeding ground for bad behavior. Creators yell at and accuse each other as well as their own and others’ subs. Subs never know who to believe and, instead of acknowledging THAT truth, they fight to the death with their own perceived truth, all the while with so much less than all the facts in their possession. I come here to learn. A little drama is expected. But after watching all the years, I feel like a lot of YT has become a cesspool of either outright liars, incompetent investigators and/or stubborn fools who cannot admit when they are wrong. There are many exceptions to this, of course, and I enjoy watching those channels as well. This video seemed very different. Anyway, great live and I hope again that your involvement in this crazy case will never bring harm to any of you.
raf fecondi wrote:
Too much focus on people/events AFTER the event. Please everyone, let's return to ONLY the facts that are available (but not just the default 'official sources') before and at the time of the crime. Everything else is a distraction that can further manipulate perspective and direction of focus.
Unmasked wrote:
I agree. However, once the after events are outed, it might give people a different perspective on what may have happened during.
cynthia f wrote:
So you have proof CW sister provided the Oxycodone with the intent to harm? Has this info been turned over to authorities? Wouldn't she be an assessory to murder?
Theresa S wrote:
We have proof she [Jamie Watts] admitted to giving him oxy, which she later retracted and said she meant kolonopin. We can not say what her intent was of giving him either one. Anything that would be important legally has been forwarded to the proper places.
Chris' sister Jamie was an in-home care nurse. The most obvious source for the sister's access. She had the ability to swipe some oxy.
She is in and out of patient homes everyday giving treatmeyt to ailing and /or palliative care who would be prescribed methadone, morphine, and oxicodone/oxycontin
Based on video proof, the family history, including the horrible note creation, Jamie wanted Shannan out of their family dynamic.
Routine_Common_1511
While I agree the two go hand in hand, there are many people who don’t follow the rules. They may talk the talk, but don’t always walk the walk. Having threesomes and anal sex are not in line with optimal health either and Nichol Kessinger, it seems, was into that as well. There are plenty of people who work out, eat healthy, and also do recreational drugs on the side. I think it’s very likely both she and Chris were doing drugs too.
It’s all speculation. I tend to think NK would have been the one who got him high. Her friend, Jim, would have been an influence as well. As far as sex and health not having any correlation, I respectfully disagree. You’ve heard of STDs, I’m sure.
littlebeach5555
NK seems to be the fake nature girl as evidenced by her lying and deception. I’d bet she introduced CW to drugs. “Cookies, cakes, and lollipops. Sounds like a cheat day” Just my observations though. I think CW got the oxy from his sister.
You think CW was on drugs but hid it from super healthy gym rat NK?
I think it’s actually the opposite. I think NK introduced CW to drugs, and CW was unbothered by NK’s party hard “friend” just showing up at her house whenever he was around. NK’s image if a granola loving macro counting yoga guru was as fake as her double D implants.
I know a lot of yoga junkies that did drugs.
I also know a lot of “love and oneness” people that would scare the hell out of you because they’re using that as a cover.
catthewcollective
I’m the general manager at a gym and many regular gym/health nuts use drugs, it really just depends on the person.
lastseenhitchhiking
She had most of her background information scrubbed; she appears to have a misdemeanor arrest record (you can google a video online that shows documents pertaining to these arrests), and there was speculation that she previously had substance abuse issues before her involvement in health and fitness. The oil and gas industry has it's fair share of recreational drug use.
featherstretch
True, but it's the difference between being a dedicated gym goer, and the nature and health-pursuant lifestyle. They're not really the same. I've seen enough about NK to feel pretty confident that she belongs to the latter.
Bettyourlife
Have you seen some of her FB chats? Her bestie Jim G at the time was a hard core party animal, and she clearly got in on the fun. Most of her available pics are either of her sleazing with Chris or partying with guys at a bar.
NK was/is pretty much fake everything. Her "one of the boys" schtick was a ludicrous pose given how she seem to sexualize every encounter with an eligible male. For a woman to act like that after working for years in male dominated environment just goes to show how deceptive and fake she is across the board.
Professional woman who work in those types of environments don't blatantly use their sexuality to evade responsibility and manipulate a favorable outcome for themselves to the detriment of others.
Her FB posts and those of her friends show a hard partying crowd. You can both be into fitness and into heavy drinking and drugs, I've known a number of people like this. In fact part of their fitness obsession is to stay healthy enough to still party hard and work the next day.
Chris doesn't come off as a druggie but who knows what he got up to when he was hanging out with Ms. K. Clearly his father is no stranger to drugs and the whole family seems comfortable hanging with sleazy people and drug users (ie Dylan Talbot, Lana O, Jay, Kim K) not to mention RW's draining of the family's finances to fund his coke habit.
Odd-Arugula-7878
I have known plenty of people that are into nature/clean/healthy living as you are saying. Many of them have also been into drugs like cocaine, ecstasy, mushrooms, and LSD. I always thought it was kind of strange that they wouldn't so much as use deodorant, because of the chemicals, and would only eat homegrown vegetables for fear of pesticides, but they would use LSD lol. And I think her major was geology? Funny enough I had a geology major friend that was very into all things natural/healthy/doing yoga at home, etc. She smoked a significant amount of weed and dabbled in other recreational drugs as well. Being into nature/health does not mean NK was also not into drugs.
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It feels given the relationship & “last” visit to NC, CW had with his sister, that could have been the time he obtained the oxycodone.
CW also could have seemingly innocently asked for it for himself. All of this ‘protecting’ his source is just further narcissistic supply & helps keep his family where he wants them.
Alesija
There is proof in the discovery. There's proof in her texts to her friends with the symptoms she described as textbook signs. As well as her parents and brother stating she was vomiting etc that night. Then for Chris to admit it himself. There's a lot of proof that he drugged her.
There also wouldn't have been any signs in her toxicology because oxy wouldn't have showed in her bloodstream for the 3 days she was in the shallow grave. I'm not entirely sure, but I would assume it would because of the blood loss from losing Nico, the stages of her body decomp etc.
She had no issues with her pregnancy until Chris showed up in NC that first night. After him slipping her the oxy she experienced textbook symptoms of the side effects from being poisoned with oxy. Now had she gone into an OBGYN in NC to check her vitals and Niko, she would've figured out what was going on, but she most likely didn't think her husband was trying to poison her and their unborn son.
It's not speculation that she was drugged at all. Maybe it's speculated to what exact drug he gave her, I can understand that. Multiple people and herself (ie text) have all said she was sick on the night Chris came, but wasn't before he flown out there.
Swat4584
Kinda makes you wonder why the mood changes and why he wasn’t getting any sleep while staying at NKs, and crashing mid sentence (according to both CW and NK). He didn’t have that problem for the years he was taking thrive up until that point or in NC.
At 1:40:30 in the video above, "iPhone" (Nichol Kessinger), who called in to the live chat from her iPhone on November 20, 2020, asks:
"Who was seen leaving the house with him on the footage at Nate's house?... It's proven to be him ([only]?... I was pretty convinced that it was her... He's never said that [Nichol was involved]. He says he wouldn't protect her but people assumed that he's talking about her. Now people are saying that he has proof that she wrote him on a postcard. So, what's their reasoning for thinking that Shanann killed the kids? What are they thinking the motive is? They haven't given one, and they wouldn't during that video... pagans, from what I know. And the stuff that Nichol Kessinger was into, Chris could have said it was dark stuff because he's a Christian, so to him it may appear as dark, like, you know, anything with, like, a pagan religion, he could think that it's dark stuff. I know that Christians aren't, like, that's what they think of pagans, from what I know... Another thing was the bald patch on her head in the interview room. What do you think about that? Do you think there was drug use with them, together?"
At the 1:58:00 mark in the chat, Crossed Lines says to iPhone [Nichol Kessinger]: "Iphone say, 'Leave Jim Alone!'"
Crystalina Bacteria wrote:
"I find it interesting you mentioned the mistress fighting with Shan'ann or trying to get to her. On November 22, 2017 (Nichol Kessinger googled 'Chris Watts' four months earlier, on August 3, 2017, and 'Shannon Watts' about a month later, in January 2018), Shan'ann did a FB live cooking video and someone was kind of harassing her. There's a VERY good chance that she was not fighting face to face or blatantly with Shan'ann but they were BOTH fighting for Chris. Shan'ann didn't want to give up on the marriage, and Kessinger wanted her out of the picture so she could have him. She indeed did not get what she wanted because Chris is now in jail. I have no doubt in my mind she was involved or knew what was going on. Why else would you delete so much off your phone? I'm really impressed with how fluent you are in Tarot and I know people want to 'poo poo' tarot, especially when it comes to things like this, but this is WAY too on point to be bullshitting." - Skully Gem's comment on video above
https://www.reddit.com/r/Chriswatts/comments/mlqd1v/christopher_lee_watts_the_closet_misogynist/
Chris replies: “Noooo... she didn’t leave in the middle of the night.” Smirks... (at 26:38 in the video above).
Chris’s folly was the fact that he didn’t communicate with his wife. He didn’t know her plans, how she was feeling, how close she was to her friends, out of touch with her daily activities. All that f***ed him in the end; he couldn’t develop a cohesive story that would match her plans or behavior.
The way he asked if he should drive around to look for Shanann and the girls with a wild grin on his face when he already knows they’re dead is so unsettling. He’s like a demented mannequin.
Starting at 34:17, Chris is clearly reading a text on his phone from NK. He stops pacing dead in his tracks, reads the texts, turns around, walks toward the bookshelf and places his phone down, and walks into the bedroom without his phone and then comes back out with Shanann's wedding ring. NK told him to walk into another room and come out with Shanann's wedding ring? He seems programmed.
Armchair Detective on his YouTube channel wrote on June 22, 2021:
"I will reply for the last time regarding Heather and the Red Kim show last night. The accusations are getting more and more falsified. I know Kim K is behind all of this extra drama. Heather is the sole person responsible for providing us with false statements from Chris Watts. What we received was NOT notes from her reading Cadle's book. What she sent was clearly marked as Chris's phone calls."
Starting around the 1 hour and 46-minute mark, Bubbles explains that the documents she is showing on screen are the notes that Heather provided to her of Heather's alleged phone conversations with Chris —Bubbles copied and pasted Heather's notes ("straight up texts from Heather to me" and possibly emails) into a Word document, making spelling and punctuation corrections, adding a color chart and highlighting, and noting things that AD had already covered on his channel.
In another video that has since been made private [at the 1 hour and 56-minuute mark], Bubbles explained that she talked to Cindy Watts. Bubbles also mentioned that Kimberly Griffith, Chris' new girlfriend, is not who she says she is, but that Chris doesn't know that she is an imposter. Bubbles mentioned this again [at the 2-hour and 48-minute mark], and said that Chris may be aware of this by now since Bubbles discussed Kim G with Cindy two days before the video was made (Bubbles said that, according to Cindy, "it will hurt him and break his heart"). The screenshot below is from Larry's video below ("We Were Duped"), and he says the message is from Chris Watts to Kimberly A. Griffith.
Meet Jamie Watts' friends Mel and Kel in a video streamed live by The Critical Kay on March 4, 2019 (video below).
If Cindy was angry and evil towards her DIL after her death and infront of the camera, then what was she like behind four walls?
Colleen wrote:
Imagine having such contempt for someone. You continue to speak badly of them. After their brutal death and that of your own grandchildren.
lisa richards wrote:
Chris was emotionally incested with his parents. I think that in addition to Chris’ narcissism, that also made it difficult to bond with his wife.
I believe this emotional incest is why Chris did not have a history of past dating before his wife. His mother would have rejected any other woman.
As far as the family dynamics, they are controlled by his mother’s narcissism.
Chris could not individuate from his mother.
I believe that Chris’ father additionally resented Shanann because she put him in a challenging situation with his narcissistic wife. He didn’t like having to be put in the position of having another situation where he had to walk on glass around his wife.
Just as much as Chris did not want to be in a situation where he would have to stand up to his mother. I believe that Chris was so programmed to cater to his mother’s narcissism, that in committing the murder, Chris subconsciously acted out his parents’ resentment of Shannon making them stand up to this narcissistic mother. And that in this murder, he also acted his mother’s hatred of Shannon. In this sense, even though he committed a murder, he did something his mother would have wanted. Chris’s mother saying the fact he murdered his wife would not change the way she felt about him, reinforces my belief.
To his narcissistic mother, despite the death of her grandchildren, it was all good.
Susan C wrote:
And Shanann was succinct, and logical. Eg, ''I am not responsible for your father blocking us on facebook''. She made the point so well, that she was open to being loved, he was choosing to not love her but also holding her RESPONSIBLE. She called him out on that.
Pineapple Queen wrote:
Chris is very much like his father with a touch of his mother's crazy. The passive - mumbling, almost incoherent, fragmented speech...conforming to the situation - being dominated by a woman, and inability to stand up and say what you feel - give your opinion...etc. Chris doesn't have the accent his dad has but he sure sounds like him.
linda king wrote:
How much did Cindy and Jamie have to do with this whole case? How long had they known NK and KK? I've never seen such hatred before and even now of this mother of their grandkids. I think there is a lot more to this story that will come out.
linda king wrote:
Can't you just see them sitting around a table plotting this scene with the nuts before Shanann ever arrived. They knew he already had a girlfriend, and they knew if they made Shanann mad enough she would complain to Chris and they would make everything out to be her fault, all the while pushing Chris farther away to the girlfriend. Cindy and Jamie are one and the same. Ronnie is afraid not to follow. I'd be curious to know what caused Ronnie to turn to Cocaine and what happened to Chris and Jamie when they were little. Not excusing either one.
Kybele Kordax wrote:
Cindy Watts in her book constantly brings up the houses and financial matters that show how materialistic she was and is. She's frequently going on about Shan'ann's home and income plus employment matters in a way that shows how envious she is of anyone who seems to have a better home, more comfortable financial situation, and even a more expensive engagement ring than herself. Most narcissists are very materialistic and Cindy Watts is no exception to this. They value appearances too much and to Cindy Shan'ann was financially independent and psychologically self-assured, not someone she could dominate like the rest of her family, and Cindy Watts saw these things and resented Shan'ann for them immediately. She reminds me of the character Mrs. Bucket in the British comedy series "Keeping Up Appearances" except Cindy Watts is much more loathsome. Her nasty remarks about Shan'ann in her book are inexcusable but unfortunately narcissists don't change and are blind to seeing how they're regarded by others that recognise their toxicity.
linda ross wrote:
Cindy Watts can blame Shanann all she wants, but I look forward to reading her excuse for why Shanann was to blame for him murdering his little girls and unborn baby. She and her son have zero compassion or empathy for the Rzuceks. She blames Shanann, and he blames everyone but himself. Neither of them care one iota for how these books will make the Rzuceks feel.
Chris Watts mistress Nichol Kessinger vacation in Peru
By Leaping Lizard
July 11, 2019
Photos Nikki sent to Chris and found on his phone show her in Peru, on vacation, possibly a yoga retreat. Peru has a large amount of tourism related to Yoga.
One of the photos in Peru that Nikki sent to Chris is of her in Macha Picchu, holding a crystal over her head (image above).
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Qhapaq hucha was the Inca practice of human sacrifice, mainly using children. The Incas performed child sacrifices during or after important events, such as the death of the Sapa Inca (emperor) or during a famine. Children were selected as sacrificial victims as they were considered to be the purest of beings.
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Human sacrifices have been practiced for thousands of years by many cultures in the world, including the Chinese, Carthaginians, Celts, and ancient Hawaiian cultures. It is also known of human sacrifices in indigenous peoples and cultures of pre-Columbian America, such as the Olmecs, Teotihuacans, Mayans, Toltecs, Aztecs, Muiscas, Mochicas, and Incas.
The Capacocha (Sacrifice of Children)
In the Inca civilization, the Capacocha was practiced. It was a ritual in which children were sacrificed and can be translated as “real obligation”.
For the Incas, death was the beginning of another life. The chosen ones for the sacrifices were boys and girls, who were considered pure. These had to belong to good families, and generally they were children of caciques.
The historian Carmen Martín indicates that they were carefully chosen children of great beauty from all over the empire. With respect to age, they were between 6 and 8 years old, although they could also be older. He reports that “death came to them without pain”, that they felt nothing probably because they were drugged with coca leaves or chicha; and when they were deeply asleep, they were exposed to very low temperatures in the summits of the glacial mountains and they died frozen.
In the Llullaillaco volcano in Argentina, the bodies of three children, two eight-years old, one 12 and a 15- year-old girl were found. The children were dressed in a sumptuous manner, unlike the girl, who was probably buried with them to take care of them.” This destiny was imposed from birth and accepted by them as a duty.
These children, considered pure beings, were bearers of the messages of their people. For this ritual they prepared months in advance and wore jewels and fine clothes.
Once in place, the children were intoxicated, then died frozen, killed by strangulation, or with a heavy blow to the head. Then they were accommodated in an underground well, luxuriously dressed, with personal adornments, fabrics, food and a series of articles of daily use.
Tombs as Warnings
Other studies point out that some of the ritual massacres in the Andes range back to pre-Inca times, but their numbers and sophistication increased with the expansion of the empire from its capital Cusco.
These studies indicate that Capacocha (sacrifices of children) was used as a means of social control. According to these, the tombs acted as warnings designed to instill fear in the conquered peoples.
Chronicles of the Capacocha
Juan de Betanzos, a 16th century Spanish chronicler, wrote that the Inca Pachacútec had a large number of children buried alive as an offering at the end of the remodeling of the Temple of the Sun. He also writes that when the Inca died, a thousand children were buried with him and a thousand girls between 4 and 5 years.
The chronicler of the time, Bartolomé Álvarez, narrates that some very young women destined to Capacocha, accepted their destination with pleasure, but those who did not wish to die were drugged or intoxicated and then sacrificed.
In 1639, the priest Barnabas Cobo wrote: “They were killed by strangulation on a rope; sometimes they were drunk before being killed”.
In 1572, Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa, I affirm that, on the “Capacocha” party, children were immolated before the idol of Huanacaure.
Finally, Guamán Poma de Ayala (16th century), wrote that the Capacocha was a celebration held twice a year in which children were sacrificed.
However, we have to take into account that many Spanish chroniclers tried to justify the crimes and the devastation of the invasion, giving the Inca civilization a bad reputation, showing the Incas as murderers and sacrificers of children.
By Ashley Cowie
August28, 2019
Archaeologists and anthropologists excavating in the north of Peru have made the horrifying discovery of more than 227 child burials near Huanchaco. This is added to the “140 children, three adults, and at least 200 young llamas” that were found in the Huanchaquito-Las Llamas site in March. All were ritually sacrificed by the Chimú culture.
The huge number of sacrifices has led chief archaeologist at the site, Feren Castillo, to say: “This is the biggest site where the remains of sacrificed children have been found […] It's uncontrollable, this thing with the children. Wherever you dig, there's another one.”
The Chimú culture flourished along the coast of Peru from about 900 until 1470 AD, at which time they were conquered by the Inca empire . A scientific paper published in March in PLOS One details the results of recent excavations at the Huanchaquito-Las Llamas archaeological site, where "evidence of a previously unknown ritual involving a massive sacrifice of 140 children and 200 young camelids (llamas) by the Chimú State, c. AD 1450.”
Huanchaquito-Las Llamas is located in the Department of La Libertad, Province of Trujillo, District of Huanchaco, in northern coastal Peru.
A 2014 Ancient Origins article told the story of villagers in the coastal village of Huanchaquito noticing “bones poking up out of the sand, just 100 yards from the beach.”
"I find it interesting you mentioned the mistress fighting with Shan'ann or trying to get to her. On November 22, 2017 (Nichol Kessinger googled 'Chris Watts' four months earlier, on August 3, 2017, and 'Shannon Watts' about a month later, in January 2018), Shan'ann did a FB live cooking video and someone was kind of harassing her. There's a VERY good chance that she was not fighting face to face or blatantly with Shan'ann but they were BOTH fighting for Chris. Shan'ann didn't want to give up on the marriage, and Kessinger wanted her out of the picture so she could have him. She indeed did not get what she wanted because Chris is now in jail. I have no doubt in my mind she was involved or knew what was going on. Why else would you delete so much off your phone? I'm really impressed with how fluent you are in Tarot and I know people want to 'poo poo' tarot, especially when it comes to things like this, but this is WAY too on point to be bullshitting." - Skully Gem's comment on video above
I've been on this community from day 1. I was in the largest Facebook group started by the Critical Kay. She was contacted by the Watts early on, hoping she would help them. Kay eventually realized they had been lying to her the entire time.
On March 4th, 2019, Chris called his parents and admitted everything. This was before the world heard the Wisconsin confession audio. Go to Critical Kay's channel and watch the video from that date.
The Watts have gone through a string of people who tried to help them. They realize finally that the Watts are where the problem lies.
Chris is where he needs to be. He murdered them all by himself.
On October 15th, 2020, NK was granted a name change and the judge had it SEALED. You have to show proof your life is in danger. Her attorneys, with the help of Weld County, provided ample proof. They gathered all the Facebook group pages stalking her and declaring her an accomplice to murder as well as YouTube videos doing the same, and that's what the judge based her decision on.
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Her attorney was Arthur Walsh.
This case is closed and nothing will change this. It's all youtubers who have made up false narratives to keep the money rolling in. If Chris submits the 35c by the deadline in November, we will know pretty quickly the decision. Judge Kopkow has 83 days to accept or deny. It will be denied and hopefully people will drop this circus and let the Rzuceks finally have some peace.
Chris willingly gave up his right to a fair trial. He had death-penalty qualified attorneys who were prepared to fight for him. Those are the best of public defenders who want to win. They weren't crappy lawyers fresh out of law school.
The investigation was thorough. He chose to shut everything down 2.5 months after the murders.
I can tell you what led up to his decision, according to the Rzuceks and what they were told. His attorneys told Chris he needed to look at the crime scene pictures of his dead wife and daughters and get used to seeing the images so that he wouldn't have any visible reaction at trial when the prosecution passed the exhibits to the jury, the judge, and the defense table. It's a common strategy. He refused. The screaming matches overheard are well documented.
It was not long after that Chris decided he couldn't deal with the idea of being stuck in a packed courtroom while the prosecution explained in detail how he murdered them all and then disposed of them like garbage.
He's a coward. Now he has buyer's remorse.
In the Wisconsin audio he clearly talks about how his attorneys asked him over hundred times if he was sure he wanted to plead guilty.
He thinks God has bigger plans for him than sitting in prison. 🥴🙄
Chris is a cold blooded killer.
Ashleigh Cartwright wrote on youtube in a series of replies in chat on March 28, 2021:
CW knew about Nate's camera. All the front activity was to distract from what was going on at the back. They would have known Betty leaves at the exact time every day.
They were all meant to leave via the back; however, one of the children came around. NK brought her up to the garage because the child was upset.
CW traveled with the the children but, as the evidence shows, SW was never in the truck. The cadaver dogs were looking for SW's scent because she was pregnant and had the most pheromones being released. That's why they didn't bark at the truck. Jane's dog was looking for stress and arguing, so it picked up on the scent from the red dumpster.
Why is everyone acting like CW didn't know that CW and every one involved hadn't staked out what went on in the AM every day. I'm not listening LIVE. I am at 52-min mark.
They left the house alive. The window they left through in the basement was the one where they had pushed everything in front of it (the red suitcases and plastic boxes). That door has a damaged scratch plate and is visible when they go around the house at the back.
Also, the door across from the office, in all body can footage, WAS NEVER OPENED. Never.
There is also evidence linking Dwayne Kessinger and DA Rourke all the way back to 1993. Both had contact with Jeffrey Epstein and MG. Kessinger had flown on JE's plane a number of times.
The safe house I've found (checked property records and tax), it ended up in Rourke's extensive family and was eventually sold in 2020. The property was transferred in 2018 to one of Rourke's relatives. Kessinger bought the safe house for $6. It was given to his wife when they split and has been transferred back and forth, and even NK was the owner at one stage.
Dwayne's bankruptcies were discharged by a benefactor that's unnamed...
They don't sit there watching it; they use software to scour the internet. They've had a few hits but they need to be certain and it takes time. It was a child abduction gone wrong. Kessinger had a totally different agenda to CW. She manipulated his brain for 9-12 months, micro dosing him with scopolamine and ayhusca. Then when he was nodding in and out of consciousness at his house, she was brain training him.
Then on the night of the 111-min call, he had some of the drink at his house. That's what was in the fridge in the basement. He drank the drink, and then NK and her group turned up to remove the targets. CW and SW were marks since she had applied to work from home with Kessinger publications, who got in trouble for posting fake jobs to phish for families and children (people working from home). NK's consultancy business processed the fake job applications. Kessinger publications got in trouble for fraud but it does very quickly.
CW clings to Christianity because what has happened to him is like physically losing your soul.
I have lots more evidence to back it all up, including the group booking information from San Luis valley. NK, CW, Jim, Melissa and others went to San Luis valley for a ritual.
I don't have a channel because I'm not doing this for money.
I'm doing this to try and save more children's lives in Colorado.
I am currently working for Larry, and he has all this and much more. KK was part of NK's cult. They are not wiccan or pagan; they worship a dark deity called Ishtar.
From Barbaric Adventures:
Ishtar, the ancient Mother Goddess, is worshipped in rich temples and at lavish shrines with rituals of blood sacrifice and orgiastic frenzy performed before sensuously carved idols of ivory. For those who serve her, Ishtar bestows bountiful harvests and many children in exchange for sacrifice. The voluptuous temple prostitutes which are found in Ishtar's temples are well known, even outside the lands where the goddess is worshipped.
Christopher Lee Watts - The Closet Misogynist
I’ve always personally believed it was Shanann who ‘walked on eggshells’ in the marriage. Otherwise, CW would withdraw even more, ignore her and slink off to his basement. Hence why she needed to constantly praise him.
I also question how CW could become such a manipulating, lying, gaslighting, mind-playing ‘expert’ in just six weeks?
Maybe because he’d always played his games? We just don’t know about all of it. They call in ‘behind closed doors’ for a reason.
We can, though, see his manipulations at work, in the way he would subtly stoke the tensions between his mother and his wife. The way he played them both over the engagement ring. Telling his mother just how much he’d spent but also ‘blaming’ Shanann, saying she was expecting and needing such an expensive ring. That she’d actually help select it.
His mother was horrified and alarmed, and she expressed her extreme opinion. We know how forceful she can be. CW then delighted in rushing to tell his fiancé exactly what his mother had said. For such a ‘nice, kind, calm man who ‘hates confrontation’? Why you running around like a little bitch, hey Christopher?
My theory. CW hates women. He is a ‘closet’ misogynist. He is too much of a coward to be ‘out and proud,’ so it’s a subtle form, and his hate manifests itself through destabilisation.
We see this in his total destruction of Shanann in those final six weeks of her life. She was a shell of her former self; he destroyed her with his mind games. Then he killed her.
He ‘punished’ his daughters in the most barbaric way because they were starting to see through him. Sensitive Bella, in particular, would have seen her mother, literally crumbling before her eyes. I bet the tension in those final few weeks was off-the-scale.
Deep down, I believe CW despises his mother too. He demonstrated this when he summoned only Ronnie to accompany him to his LE ‘interview.’
CW knew what was going to go down that day. But CiW had to be told the truth over the telephone. That her golden-boy-son had murdered his wife and disposed of his whole family in the most horrific way.
CW had purposely isolated her: no Ronnie to comfort her or be there in person to answer her (I can imagine) many questions. The worst time of her life, yet her husband wasn’t by her side.
I’ll never be surprised if CiW is removed from CW ‘visitor list.’ His ultimate revenge.
With regards to Shanann, his detailed, gruesome confessions have only added to his wife’s humiliation. She ‘relieved’ herself. Her ‘foul stench’ in back of the truck. Her ‘black tears.’ She put up ‘no fight.’ She was ‘praying’ (but God didn’t save her).
The way he tossed Shanann in the grave, even removing the sheet - her thonged, semi naked posterior, positioned up. He removed any last scraps of Shanann’s dignity, even in death. Why did he need to remove the sheet?
The cruel details he revealed in his Wisconsin confession have caused Shanann’s family deep horror and pain. Sandra Rzucek - who has only ever spoken of how much she loved CW - has been destroyed by this.
CW needed to destabilise her, even in grief. He has made a mockery of Sandra’s savoir - her faith - by also finding religion and letting everyone know that God has forgiven him. Not only that, but God has a special and unique path for him. His sense of entitlement is off the charts.
It’s as if CW is taunting: ‘Three nil to me, Sandi.’ He took her daughter, her grandchildren, and now he’s even trying to undermine her religion.
The CW visitor list is an ever changing and macabre version of musical chairs. Sing to CW’s exact ‘hymn sheet’ or you’ll be ditched.
So many ‘penpals’ have been manipulated, used and then spat out. Cherlyn Cadle, Shannon Hart, Anna, and recently KK. She was also tossed out the window.
Recently he seems to be using Lana to communicate his twisted narrative. But he keeps her on her toes by also feeding her disinformation. She is left feeling vulnerable and doubting. He loves to make women look like fools via his mind games.
Heather [of UnMurdered channel] and Jay is 4 Justice were recently central and integral to this freak show. They has now also been deleted from the Watts inner circle.
Lana was front stage and central, riding in on her 35c white horse, with her binders and whiteboards clanking behind her. But then CW gets to hear about ‘Shizam’ and let’s it been known Lana is really not his type of girl. He didn’t do it himself, though; he got one of his ‘circle’ to take her down.
CiW is still locked into her son’s manipulations. ‘I just ask, one day you tell us the truth.’ CW replied: ‘One day, just not today.’ Will CW ever stop mind-screwing his own mother? 2.5 years and, yet, she can never move on, when her brain and heart are filled with ‘What r.e.a.l.l.y happened?’ Even though he’s told her a hundred times. He still hasn’t actually looked her in the eyes and said, ‘I did it all.’
In the ‘Letters’ book, CW continually blames others. He continually shames women. ‘Not blaming Shanann’, then goes on to blame her. ‘Not blaming NK’, then goes on to blame her.
CW needs to accept responsibility. Finally stop passing the buck onto others and excusing his murderous actions on some ‘dark force’.
Many of us never fell for your ‘nice guy Chris’ persona, Christopher Lee Watts.
You are the dark force CW. The evil is all you. Now is the time to man-up and own it.
**Disclaimer** not my writing, but I read this on Facebook and it articulated exactly what I have thought for a long time, but have been unable to accurately express.
Medusas__Gaze wrote:
I agree with all of this.
I'll also add that how Chris treated Shanann at the very end was how he always was - it was his true self finally being revealed. Chris used known narcississtic abusive tactics to hurt Shanann in the weeks leading up to the murders.
For example:
He "Stonewalled" her. That is, he refused to communicate with her. He used the silent treatment in order to control the situation and to escape any accountability for his actions. Shanann mentioned that Chris was never able to really communicate. I think he used stonewalling throughout the marriage.
He withdrew his affection.
This then lead to "Gaslighting". The reaction to his stonewalling and the sudden withdrawal of affection made Shanann anxious, fearful and made her doubt herself.
He lied and lied and lied some more.
This is why it's so important to analyse CWs behaviour so we can raise awareness to the red flags he exhibited and learn to recognise them.
Ultimately it didn't matter what personality Shanann had; she didn't stand a chance against someone with the ability to suddenly withdraw affection and who doesn't feel empathy.
His actions before the murders were abusive; his final act was psychopathic.
The original author of this post now has a youtube channel, and he discussed this in detail in a live: ‘CW the Closet Misogynist’ (video above).
Chris Watts' original story was dependent on him having access to SW's phone. Her phone passcode had been the same as the front door code up until a week before the murders. He knew her old code but not the new one, which means he was scrambling to come up with a new story without much notice. That's why neither of the new stories made any sense.
Interesting that he told Cassie that the conversation about selling the house was "last night" vs. that morning when he woke up and allegedly woke her up to talk, as he told law enforcement in all of his interviews, as well as Cadle in her book.
Later that afternoon, when Coonrod shows up at the house, NA confronts him in a bit of a heated exchange about how he told Addy that SW left in the middle of the night; and he replies with a testy and emphatic response that SW definitely didn't leave in the middle of the night.
On August 13th, Nicole Atkinson says to Chris Watts (video below): "Addy said that you told her that she [Shanann] left in the middle of the night."
Neither story made any sense based on the state of the home when NA arrived, but it is interesting that he might have been having a different story in the works.
He assumed that his good reputation would carry him through - it was the perception of his goodness (while he cheated, emotionally abused and murdered) that he believed mattered.
He completely underestimated both the swiftness and the degree of scrutiny that he would be under.
He asked NA for Shanann's phone passcode and she responded, “it’s the baby’s due date”, and he goes blank and hands her the phone. He didn’t even know it.
Chris Watts is a rare specimen of a true psychopathic narcissist who was discovered in his natural habitat, lurking among normal people who had no idea that a cruel and murderous freak walked among them.
MommyRamblingsBlog and the Rzuceks were trying to beat the other youtubers to the punch. The point was to "scoop" the "breaking news" videos from various creators. Watching the video above, it is confusing.
1. One of Blair/Heather's mods from her channel UnMurdered was a turncoat and stole from Heather's iCloud 50+ pages of Heather's notes with Bubbles' highlighting (Heather's letters with Chris stopped in October 2020; she never spoke to him by phone, she never visited him in person, and she never communicated with him via email, according to Cher at Voices Behind the Wall). Heather's mod (Terri, NOT Jana ) either sent this directly to MRB or it was sent to the Rzuceks, who shared it with MRB.
2. In addition to the 50+pages read by MRB on June 14, 2021, someone sent a 5-page letter. It is unclear but it seems that Seeking the Truth with Dave received it from a random subscriber (and not from Kimberly Griffith); however, he only was sent part of the letter. After Dave read his portion of the letter live on his channel, the next day a sub sent the full 5-page letter to Larry at Executive Decision, and Larry notified Dave immediately. Later, Plunder read this letter in its entirety in the video below ("I Have Grounds to Appeal"). According to Just Larry, he also received 800+ pages of fabricated documents.
VivecaStandsStrong wrote:
Please everyone, don't fall for this. Chris did not write the letter. u/HellWitDat seems to be the only person on this post who knows what's going on.
Bleather (the scammer Blair/Heather of the UnMurdered channel) used an app to create the letter using the letters from Cadle's book.
The app scans the uploaded documents and "writes" what the user types in the handwriting style of the uploaded document. Yes, an app such as this exists. As u/HellWitDat pointed out, look at the perfectly uniform spacing between words due to the app being utilized to create this.
Keri is so very at Executive Session on YouTube wrote:
Wait, so, I’m not trying to be rude but how were you guys played? Are you saying you guys were duped because someone sent you one part of a letter and the other part to Dave? How is that playing you? I can’t see how that’s setting you guys up when this person would know that you and Dave are close and discuss the case. Wouldn’t you both have read what you have received? I think that person would know this. There is a lot of lies that go around on here and I would imagine that Dave would have been smart enough to know that that recording was botched and cut off at the right moment. In my opinion, he didn’t expect that so many would catch on because everyone is so hungry for answers that they would just accept what was being fed to them. It’s obvious that he put that out for views. Many of us know he’s not that dumb to not see what we all have seen and, if he is, he shouldn’t be doing True Crime cases because he will just put out inaccurate information! The truth is he won’t own that because it’s embarrassing.
Larry at Executive Session on YouTube replied:
That’s a good thought. The issue is that whoever the person is responsible for sending all of this out, they didn’t leak the full letter to me. They knew I wouldn’t fall for it. I wasn’t included in this. But a trusted subscriber of mine sent me it after Dave had already read half of it [live on his channel]. I noticed he didn’t have it all. So I jumped in to try saving his ass before they claimed he purposely left out portions. And then everyone went nuts. Whoever the mastermind is, they didn’t expect me to catch it. And instead of appreciating me having his back, Dave doubled down on his source (Heather) and threw me to the wolves. So be it. My conscience is clear.
Nancy Natoli wrote:
Dave is either gullible or he thinks his subs are stupid. I haven't decided yet. He puts out false info instead of verifying it, and if someone questions it he blocks or deletes the comment. He has become the biggest conspiracy theorist covering the Watts case but some of the things he pontificates about are downright ridiculous. The latest debacle with the unrefuted evidence and all the hype and build up to a spliced sentence from CW that proved nothing and wasn't evidence at all. The FBI must've been laughing their asses off.
It was Bubbles' document of "Heather's Notes with Chris," which Bubbles shared only with Heather's mom, that ended up in the hands of MRB, although someone changed it a bit before Heather, Heather's mom, or Terri the mod sent it to MRB/the Rzuceks and, eventually, to Dave on June 22nd (who said it was given to him by someone on "his team" and that he didn't read it before going live on his channel to read it to thousands of people).
In another video that has since been made private [at the 1 hour and 56-minuute mark], Bubbles explained that she talked to Cindy Watts. Bubbles also mentioned that Kimberly Griffith, Chris' new girlfriend, is not who she says she is, but that Chris doesn't know that she is an imposter. Bubbles mentioned this again [at the 2-hour and 48-minute mark], and said that Chris may be aware of this by now since Bubbles discussed Kim G with Cindy two days before the video was made (Bubbles said that, according to Cindy, "it will hurt him and break his heart"). The screenshot below is from Larry's video below ("We Were Duped"), and he says the message is from Chris Watts to Kimberly A. Griffith.
I defended him [Seeking the Truth with Dave] at every possible moment. The minute I tried warning him that I felt we were all being duped, it changed. Some people don’t want to hear the truth. This hurt bad. I will always have questions about a coverup, and I did lose a friend over this. What I’m ashamed of is that I trusted so many people behind the scenes and let them drag me down so many rabbit holes. I lost focus. But in the end, I’ve hit a brick wall. I can’t deal with the constant drama and chasing ghosts. The only thing left to discuss on YouTube is the drama of Watts Island. The case won’t be solved on YouTube. And CW 100% killed his family. My only questions will always be what NK had to do with it and why they covered up so much. But it’s not worth talking about on YouTube every night. It’s become a mess. All I can do is tell the truth. And my biggest mistake was waiting so long to do it. The only reason I didn’t was because of my friendship with Dave. But he refuses to admit he was wrong. Even to the point of teaming up with Heather and KK. It’s become so bad. I’m 100% done with the whole thing. They [the Rzuceks] don’t even have to sue me. I’ll freely give them all of my devices, computers, access to emails and everything I know. I want this crap to stop as much as they do. I was duped and I’m sick of these people playing victim. I own that I’ve made mistakes and listened to so many lies. And it’s not right. I wish they could expose them all.
When he [Dave] texts me and yells every time I go live and tells me to give him a link so he can call in, it gets distracting. But I just let him do it. He needed to plug his channel. I had more subs than him within 24 hours of my first show. And even after barely posting and being attacked nightly for months, I still have more. I don’t really care about that but it’s a barometer. Three months ago I would’ve said you were crazy if you said I’d have a channel. So what’s the worst that can happen? Everyone stops watching me? Cool. My life doesn’t change. And I honestly wouldn’t care about the childish comments and obsessions like they do, but lying crosses the line. So it’s time to drop the mic this week and let the chips fall where they may.
Belvia khalid at Executive Session wrote:
Hi Larry! Apparently you and I are the same person. Kim was saying last night our conversation on MJ's live was you talking to yourself. The part that I found most amusing is Kim mentioned you said she is not successful. Our conversation was about how Kim constantly puts down others achievements and boast about her so called "success". She constantly calls you an insurance salesman as if that is a put down. She also mentions repeatedly that Crafton's ex works at Walmart. So last night her, Natasha, Crafton and loser Lynn decide they are going to twist the narrative and make it as if you are the person who puts down what people do in life when it is Kim all along.
Kim also thinks because she is a woman she can go after a man but he cannot, in return, go after her. Natasha, Kim and Lynn all use this when a man confronts them. Are we not equals? I guess not to them when it suits them.
It was hilarious watching Kim try and twist the story of how she was fired and her behavior at her previous employment. She even used her son and mentioned how he could read what was written about her, an attempt to distract from her bad behavior and gain sympathy.
Dave also mentioned how he was sexually assaulted by a priest right on the heel of (yet again) minimizing his sexual assault on a woman, an attempt to gain pity and distract from his wrong doings. They even mentioned how they have all been sexually assaulted and talked about god. As if because they have been sexually assaulted it means they can't do no any wrong, and if they speak of god it automatically makes them godly people.
We all know Lynn loves gaining pity for her sexual assault and takes no responsibility for how poorly she behaves behind the scenes in a sneaky way, going after people and then uses her verbiage and enunciation to try and convince people of her lies.
This group is like the kids in High School that didn't fit in and they never got over it. So now they try and destroy people, and they think they are good at hiding how disgusting they are but we can see it clearly.
They can't comprehend that there are other people besides you that see through their BS. They are so transparent that I can see right through them just listening to them twist the narrative.
Crafton was saying a few weeks ago I was his ex and saying hello Sarah when I commented. He really wants his ex to keep pursuing him because it makes him feel desirable, and Kim needs to feel like she has a desirable man.
They need to fill this void full of short comings and so they slander people but at the same time play victim.
I am willing to bet that this group of people individually has had a routine of being cons and playing victim most of their lives. When their last victim story starts losing affect they have another one...
They don't like anyone they perceive to be smarter, better looking, successful and so on. They go into their routine of getting close, finding info and using everything they find against that person so they can feel they are better. That low self-esteem and insecurity will never go away and that is why they continue to victimize so many people.
I am sure as children they didn't fit in and as adults they were still undesirable so their disdain grew even more. That must of been hard to go through but it doesn't make it ok to go through life trying to destroy people.
I do believe they actually feel like victims inside whenever they interact with people who look better than them, have more success, have their life together, are smarter, had a good upbringing, etc.
Anything can trigger their insecurities and that is enough in their mind to justify their bad behavior.
In life we are always going to run into people who are better than us in some way. We need love for who we are, and if we don't like something about ourselves we need to work on being better. Tearing another person down is not the answer.
Dani Dan at Executive Session wrote:
I couldn't agree more on this comment - and the OP nailed it!! Listening to that rant was laughable but once the part about the priest came round I rewound and watched his face and, I'm sorry, but there's a liar right there!
Not to mention WTF does 'I'm a TRUE sexual assault survivor' mean???? That his victim isn't, because Dave isn't a priest??? Are you Fing kidding me. I felt physically sick when that came out of his mouth.
Oh and no tears, no stuttering, no emotion at all - when you're supposed to be telling the world you've suffered this horrific life changing event. Funny how that wasn't mentioned last week in the confessional live.
Additionally - I love how he subtly corrected Kim when she said he wasn't even convicted - and he was like, no, I was. She keeps telling everyone he wasn't convicted!! Is she really this dumb!
Iota at Executive Session wrote:
@Dani Dan I was sent a screenshot comment on his last live (I don't watch his channel, can't stand his smirking face). Apparently a viewer didn't like him mocking Jesus in his recliner. His response was he was molested by a priest therefore he can, but he's working or not on something to that effect. The viewer should realise the dude has no morals or ethics and doesn't really care who he mocks. Long as he gets views. I'm sure someone is investigating him; actually I'm positive they are.
He was so terrified it was going public, that he blubbered the story out himself, on a public platform, where a few thousand more people found out. The story which HE told everyone in the first place... Lmao! Idiot.
Larry replied:
It’s a very sad story. And unfortunately it’s working. Dave only cares about growing, and he’s gaining subs. That’s it. But short term growth is shortsighted. It’s not sustainable; and the more they talk, the deeper they dig. They think I’ve “exposed” them. I’ve actually said NOTHING yet. He stated in his live - yes, we have it all downloaded in high quality - that he grabbed her boobs and kissed her neck. Defending this on YouTube, in the true crime community, is astonishing. If anyone should be mad at me about anything, it’s that I kept defending and supporting Dave while I knew this. But to say I threatened to expose it or that I was some alt account went over the line. Criminally (in Australia) and civilly in the US. And it was a 100% lie. He even stated in his live that “it may not be Larry” but continued to insinuate and basically say it was. All with the help of two people with a long real life history of these same actions. Stay tuned.
Iota replied:
@Executive Session I don't think it's sad. I think it's orchestrated. A social experiment, a CON JOB. Let him have his sheep...I mean subs. Anyone with even a tiny bit of intelligence can see it's a con. And to still use MRB's home as their thumbnail on both channels, with him grinning like a maniac, is the height of farce and stupidity. Evil minds at work.
Thirsty K is NOT the touchstone for every legal and or mental/ health diagnosis in the universe.
Why was that performance even necessary!? So he can continue his reign of terror on YouTube, keep making bank.
Who cares about this aggressive little nobody.
YTpsychMyths 2 wrote:
They are saying it was a simple kiss and conveniently left out that he also groped the woman over her clothes. The diminishing of this makes me sick as a survivor myself.
Larry wrote:
They’re scrambling and obsessed. They finally picked on the wrong person. And I don’t care if everyone unsubs to me. I don’t want those kind of supporters. It’s time for a reset.
Mary Hass replied:
@Iota Correct! He is a postman and there are certain jobs in Australia you can still do with a conviction on your record. I actually think that is a good thing considering a person has done their time. It enrages me he didn't mention grabbing her breast! Trying to minimize what he originally said makes me think there is a lot more to the story. You make some really good point and have me thinking deeper into his actions and why he says what he says. I did notice the emotional manipulation for super chats.
Mary Hass replied:
@Executive Session He said on CB's live that you said "Don't go there" and he took that as a threat and got ahead of it...How in heck is that a threat? And getting ahead of it is telling his victim's story his way? That is disgusting. In Australia, you are on the sex offenders list temporarily, 8 years or 15 years (depending on the level of the offense); and they even remove you early for good behavior. He claims to be off the sex offenders list as if it is proof of his innocence. Also, you can have a government job in Australia if you sexually assaulted someone in your past. Like I said before, we don't know what happened because the criminal is the telling the story. And if he is willing to minimize what he has already said, I can just imagine everything he has left out.
Larry replied:
He never once said sorry to the victim. It was all about playing to the camera. And when I said, “don’t go there,” it was clearly about me showing that the letters were fake, the script was fake and someone was trying to set everyone up. I was trying to protect him. But he only cared about content. He proved it by reading the letters, even after they were proven fake. The SA conviction never even crossed my mind. But they’re paranoid schizophrenics that jumped the gun. And again, he never even apologized to the victim or her family. And now they call me the bad guy. Because I told the truth about the scam this whole case has become. And that I refused to play their little troll games.
My name on TikTok was “The Dirt”. That’s why I was suspicious of this person on YouTube when they used that name to attack both of us. Then he tried flipping it on me by saying because that’s my TikTok name then the YouTube “The Dirt” was me and I was trying to expose him. Total BS. Why would I alert him to it if it was me? Makes no sense. The person was trolling me, too! Not to mention that it’s irrelevant. He’s the one convicted of sexual assault. If anyone should be mad at me, it should be because I continued to defend him and being his friend after he told me about it. We’re supposed to be true crime and people are supporting a sex offender that has zero intellect other than yelling at a screen and talking about NK and drama.
Zoe Grace wrote:
Wow! Thanks for exposing the truth, Larry - no wonder the poor familys want these god awful youtubers to stop! One being convicted of sexual assault - no wonder he speaks so derogatory of women when his actions have spoken louder than words to what he thinks of them! What a vile, nasty human! I certainly wouldn't want him "fighting for the truth" of my murdered family with that background, thank you very much! Keep up the good work Larry!
Iota wrote:
@Executive Session Can you email me his confession? I'd like to send it to the Federal Government he talks so fondly about. As an Australian Taxpayer I expect ANY Federal employee to be doing their job, not on YouTube during work hours.
Again, in his OWN words all over YouTube, he states he's at work. Using a phone whilst in a vehicle is an offence. You're not allowed to even pick your phone up to look at the time whilst in a vehicle in Queensland Australia.
He works for the federal government. And he puts it in capital letters for maximum impact.
He does it to imply he's squeeky clean, because criminals can't work for THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT - and to big note himself of course.
He's a postie - he delivers mail.
Criminal Activity!
What if he was to misjudge some poor old lady picking up her mail from him as flirting? What then. Another victim. Will there be another blubbering confession.
Dani Dan replied:
@Iota well same as the tons that gushed support for the sexual offender AD had on, and he digitally raped a 13yr old, but AD and bubbles encouraged the women subs to write to him and send him things because he has nothing, and he ' thought she wanted it!!!!' What the actual F is wrong with everyone!!
This is not OK. Nobody should be saying to any perp it's OK, you have an excusable reason for why you put your hands, or any part of your body, on another person who did not want nor ask for it!! End of story. It's called consent! Any man or woman who is making excuses for this is enabling this behaviour, plain and simple.
I, for one, would love to hear from his victim - because we've already seen from the text msg exchanges, Mr - 'I'm not here for money or likes' - sure as hell is a big fat liar!!
So he can cry, and glare into the camera, and perfect his shaking all he likes - he had the audacity to accuse another WOMAN publicly about SA recently - HOW DARE HE!!!!!
Sandra Guest wrote:
Dave's crassness, diversion of emotion is very telling.
Let's use emotion to detrack of the real issue at play.
$$$$ for Dave.
His arrogance of conduct in thinking he is entitled to abuse; his use of Shannan and the childrens' photos, etc, is alarming of his elevated self grandiose.
Yes, he is vulgar and has limited self awareness of how a grown man should conduct themselves.
An embarrassment for all Australians!
Dave, don't forget to disclose your earnings?
Mari S wrote:
Dave sexually assaulted a women and my support is for his victim and the many other victims of sexual assault. There are other things that lead me away from his channel but the sexual assault was what sealed the deal for me. I left on vacation for a week and unplugged from Watts island. Came back and see Dave and his group are making fun of another creator. New week, new victim and I am not into it. I am officially unsubscribing to anything Watts related and unsubscribing to any creator in their little group.
Dani Dan replied:
And mari, all reasonable, rational people would have the same morals and understanding as you. The irony is, he bangs on about standing up against anyone victim bashing - who is standing up for your victim, Dave? Who gave you the right to tell your version of her truth all over the world to your 1000s of boot lickers, I mean subs. How dare you do that to her, further assaulting her and adding to her grief. He's a disgusting excuse of a man, and his true colours have been exposed finally.
Disgusting behaviour! Victim blaming is NEVER OK, and to further add insult to injury to not offer an apology to her....utterly shambolic!
What has floored me, as a fellow creator has been the subs who just think this is OK because they see creators as some sort of celebrity.
"Cher has proved without doubt that Heather has not had any contact with CW for literally months and months, and so all this info she has, that supposedly has come from daily phone call from CW, is all lies. She has played the lot of you with the sweet little voice. You all fell for it." - Sally James at Executive Decision YouTube channel
"I'm sorry but Heather seems to be the problem. Most manipulative people are nice when they need something, but man when it doesn't go their way." - Candace King at Executive Decision YouTube channel
The following are text messages between Heather (gray) and Bubbles (blue), who is the main researcher for Armchair Detective (she also makes all his videos).
The following are comments from Heather's live on June 21, 2021, in which she revealed her last name and showed employee badges from her job as a security guard for a hotel in Las Vegas (she has since disabled comments on the video).
The following are text messages between Heather (gray) and Bubbles (blue), who is the main researcher for Armchair Detective (she also makes all his videos).
The following are comments from Heather's live on June 21, 2021, in which she revealed her last name and showed employee badges from her job as a security guard for a hotel in Las Vegas (she has since disabled comments on the video).
Heather and Chris communicated only by letter, and never by email or by phone. Heather faked the emails and phone calls. Her last letter to Chris was in October 2020 (his last letter to her was in September 2020 or earlier).
And Heather's name has never been on Chris Watts' visitor log (phone calls are not part of the visitor log, just zoom meetings because they are televisits, which started in 2020 due to in-person visits being prohibited during the COVID pandemic).
According to Gina Ribena in a comment on youtube: "[Heather from] UnMurdered is lying. She says she couldn't bring receipts because she had a high profile job. She actually works in a casino. She also used to run an agency where she set it up for people to PenPal with inmates called Sloth Agencies but she was struck off for fraud. Although I don't like Kim [Kaufman], she showed receipts of UnMurdered, aka Heather aka Blair, contacting her in September 2020, asking her why CW stopped writing to her. Kim showed the emails on the live. She also was on with the other Kimberly and Chris said he has had no contact with Heather at all and he has never ever called her. Heather's another one on the grift. Granted she did have letter contact with him but no calls. She was also caught out last year photoshopping emails supposedly from Chris. I'm writing this to warn people not to fall for her lies."
The Recent Implosion of Watts Island
There is nothing left of the Watts case except the drama between the YouTube channels. The problems escalated when YouTube encouraged creators to offer "membership" (at a fee) to their subscribers by clicking on the "join" function (what is Google/YouTube's cut from this fee, 30 percent?). During some live chats, "members" only are permitted to comment, and members are invited to join the "panel". Donations, "super stickers" during "super chats," are pushed (Google/YouTube takes 30 percent). And now youtube has added "super thanks," with Google taking at least 30 percent. From advertising revenue, youtube takes 45 percent. Many creators make "guest" appearances on each other’s channels. All of them extend greetings, flirt, and grovel over the donations. There is petty fighting and innuendos. The creators continue to engage with each other when nothing gets resolved and
everything escalates...over and over again. It’s nonsensical and hard
to comprehend. Any different opinions are blocked. It appears that some creators would indeed report on content they knew or suspected to be false. Honestly, who would pay for this? Then the male creators began to far outnumber the female creators in bringing personal issues to their subscribers (I'm an old man with high blood pressure and dyslexia, I have Aspergers, etc., holding back fake tears on camera to tug on heartstrings). The live chats resemble a cult, with the creator being the cult leader. There is really nothing new to report so channels need to keep it going
in whatever way possible, including turning on one another and spreading
untruths. Any kernel of Watts-o-Mania is fair game. These creators aren’t going to crack the case like they claim. This appears to be an orchestrated plan to keep the narrative going and the money and views coming!
"Late one night I had been doing a deep dive into this case. I was reading the document dump and began to read Sandy's letter. I had the sudden realization that Shanann did not have a chance. Later, with the original nutgate recording by Mel and Kel, my sadness for Shanann deepened to awareness of something feeling like 'evil.' Listening to these 2 young women cackle and laugh about petty actions of a woman now murdered with her 3 babies...essentially her DNA wiped off the face of humanity....I had a sense of the intense isolation Shanann must have felt." - Jewels of Thought
Fantasy was likely a key factor before NK
ravenhairedmaid
My husband spent 10 years in prison, and he thankfully is one of those whose Christian conversion stuck. He has an excellent "sense" about people, and his 1st reaction to this case was that CW had already been thinking about it before anything ever happened. I think fantasy played into this almost as much as NK. I'd like to know if he ever fantasized about killing anybody else, and at what age those fantasies began.
OkayButWhyThis
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. I think Chris considered murder and then thought that maybe a baby would fix the desires, but it didn’t and instead it solidified his murder plans.
Chris pressured Shanann into a 3rd child.
I really believe he did that because he thought he would love her again if she was pregnant or maybe he thought he would feel less angry at her if she was having his baby.
Instead, it made him feel more trapped than before, and instead of just toying with the idea of murder, he began to plan it.
I agree. He thought a baby, especially a boy, would bring them closer together.
I think he was so convinced that he was able to fool his entire world into being that perfect husband and father on one side, and being that desired perfect new boyfriend to his mistress on the other one, that to me, he actually wanted to keep both at first.
CW and NK were together for longer than they both admitted, and I guess she got tired of him having to go home to his supposedly estranged wife instead of staying with her or, at the very least, finding a bachelor pad to stay while filing for divorce.
He thought he had total control over both sides of his life.
Then came the moment when Shannan unexpectedly recorded his reaction to her announcing her pregnancy. He knew she was going to put it on social media. He also probably knew NK was stalking Shannan’s Facebook page to be sure they were really separated (he probably served her the bad excuse, saying they were faking a happy relationship to avoid family and friends to worry and for her Thrive thing too) so he instantly knew he was going to get in trouble with NK with that big announcement. His lies were exposed. I supposed CW and NK argued then and she probably gave him an ultimatum that might be the trigger to all his evil plans. He was extremely mad at Shannan way before that so I guess this added fuel…
The reasonable way out was to get a divorce, and I want to think (call me a naive girl for this if you want to) that he actually saw divorce as an option, did his research but found out debts + divorce = extra debts. He also probably contemplated fleeing with NK.
The turning point for me is when Shannan found out she was expecting a boy. As NK wanted to give him a baby boy, I guess the news for both of them was not a happy one.
I still don’t know the role of NK in all of this (was she “only” suggesting him things or did she actually help him?) but the idea was first to have Shannan’s pregnancy being interrupted with her taking oxycodone without knowing. Or maybe the plan here was already to kill Shannan with her overdosing on the oxycodone? This is the reason why he did not bat an eyelid when she was so sick one night because of it.
As the plan failed, he came up with another plan, which is the horrendous one that actually took place and cost the lives of not only Shannan and Nico but also Bella and Celeste.
Why the girls were killed? I supposed he only saw them as burden for his new life with NK at that stage. Or maybe he was scared they would remind him of Shannan all the time? Or maybe they witnessed him murdering their mother and he was scared they would talk? The way he “buried” them shows no love and no remorse. He clearly wanted them all dead.
I came to think that this is probably how it all took place after watching many videos and reading many articles and posts about this case. I still cannot understand how anyone can think they could kill their entire family to start a whole new life with a new love interest and think they would easily get away with this and live happily ever after and not get caught. CW always had all the reasonable good choices in his hands yet he decided to come up with this evil plan and decided to kill his family.
Bettyourlife
NK put the kibosh on any normal transition with the girls. During her interview, she brazenly demonstrated to LE how she would banish him to "go be with your kids". And that instance, she was desperately trying to rehabilitate her image and make the impression to LE that she was not the meddling kind of mistress. I can just imagine what that banishment looked like when it was just the two of them behind closed doors!!
And of course it is a tacit acknowledgement that their affair began long before Shan'ann and the children left for NC. I wouldn't doubt that Chris was already in a rage at Shan'ann and the girls by the time they left for NC.
She appears to have brutally kicked him out from their sexual utopia every time he had to attend to his kids or speak with Shan'ann.
Plus her harping about her firsts, first son and beautiful life. None of that was going to happen while Shan'ann and the kids still walked the earth.
The Chaos Crew
She said in one of the first texts about him to her friend she feels like she’s always going to come second, she didn’t just say that to him. Obviously this was a huge deal to her.
adSinger514
I think the fact she was having a boy contributed. He was disappointed that it was a boy because he wanted to give NK a "first" that she complained about. He could only do that if Shannan had a girl.
Whythisnthat
Bingo. His dream of providing a delusional NK with her first son was shattered with Shanann giving CW exactly what he wanted. Just that it did not come from the right womb. Just plain bizarre.
GrilledCheezus1219
I wonder if automatically killing Niko by killing Shannan was the thing that made him willing and able to kill his daughters. Like maybe he was just going to kill Shannan, but maybe the lack of guilt he felt for Niko made him realize that he wouldn’t be wracked with guilt if he did the whole family and then he wouldn’t be slowed down by having to care for young kids alone.
OkayButWhyThis
Chris said that when he put the girls to bed the night before, he knew it would be the last time. I don’t think he is ready to openly admit that he planned to kill them all along, but he makes subtle comments that imply it.
For example, he talks about how Shanann would degrade him and tease him, and she would teach the girls to do it too. He said the kids would often outright hit him and he didn’t like that. [I doubt they learned that from Shanann but I also could see her thinking it was funny and not immediately correcting it. If I didn’t think it hurt and my partner didn’t correct me, I’d think a sassy slap occasionally was funny too. I would also correct it immediately, though, but I am a different mom than her and that’s okay.] He saw Shanann in them and I think when he wanted to kill her, he wanted to kill every single part of her. Unfortunately, that includes the kids.
He tried to get Shanann to miscarry, according to his 2019 confession, so he had already tried to eliminate Nico before the murders. That supposedly happened in NC, and Chris says he will “take to his grave” who gave him the oxy. But he drugged Shanann and apparently that’s why she was so violently sick the night she was texting her friends and crying because Chris wouldn’t comfort her.
magiclougie
On the day he arrived in NC, July 31, Shanann became very sick.
I think he tried to kill Shanann with the oxy overdose in NC, which, of course, would kill both her and Niko. He knew she was distraught and thought it would be believable that she overdosed on her own.
When he failed in NC, he tried again, on August 10th, when Shanann left for Arizona, but he failed again.
This is when he decided to kill her when she got home, and he made the decision at some point to also kill his daughters.
OkayButWhyThis
Shanann said the new baby was Chris’s idea. It could be that he was feeling angry with her, wondered if a baby would help so he suggested and they tried, but then when she got pregnant his feelings got worse and perhaps that’s why he started toying with the idea of murder.
Studies show that when women are pregnant, they are actually more in danger of assault or murder.
If the sudden stress of an impending 3rd child set Chris off, then it would have been easy to have an affair because he would have been seeking a stress relief.
And it makes sense he would consider killing her because a pregnancy is apparently one of the most common times when women are murdered by their husbands.
There’s a YouTube video of Chris where he is talking about how to save a
marriage and one of his suggestions is “have another baby”.
I think he
was maybe tempted by NK, doubled down briefly, got Shanann pregnant in
an attempt of “saving the marriage”, and then he panicked.
Once she was
pregnant, I think that’s the first time he considered murder and perhaps
even started planning.
OkRadish5
Who raised him? I think he had carried resentment anger and rage since at least high school, maybe more like 5th or 6th grade based on many photos where his eyes have this cold blooded glare. If CiW is to be believed, she said in his childhood she heard him in his room asking for forgiveness more than one occasion. That dead cold stare is known as the psychopath stare, dead cold eyes. Psychopaths are more born than made — if so, did he begin committing horrible deeds in childhood, such as harming or killing animals, setting fires, etc? I could see him doing that, and his evil photo of him wearing the ugly sweater as a kid, his eye has that dark evil gleam in it—almost as if he knows something other people don’t. Too disturbing to want to know the real answer to who he really is and how far back his dark urges got the better of him. The way CiW treated CW as a surrogate spouse (evidenced by her refusal to attend his wedding) was perfect fertilizer to grow his warped mindset—if he was a child psychopath, I believe the influence of CiW pushed it fully in. If he had a positive influence instead, who knows, maybe that could have been enough to curtail his thinking to at least being able to restrain himself from killing.
The heinous nature of Watts' crime goes well beyond any influence from a girlfriend. This is from childhood. Law enforcement would have been all over this had she given any signals
of deception regarding the crime. Her character is what it is, but she
wasn't part of this brutal murder. Because she lied in the interview (minimizing, withholding etc, about the relationship), an analyst who is lacking experience may conclude criminal guilt. She may have had attendant guilt of a possible criminal nature (drugs, for example) though not guilt of Watts' crime of rage. The subject has No guilty knowledge of Watts' crime, which includes cover up. Subject has lots of guilt and shame regarding being in a relationship with Watts. I believe she likely worried that she was, somehow, responsible for their deaths. She wasn't.
Lauren
Wanted to point out something she said that gave me chills (video below)...that he made her think everything was going to work out as planned. There's enough plausible deniability that she wasn't talking about the murders...but I believe that was a slip.
The one thing that always stunned me. 3 months to a sentencing? Why so rushed? He didn't confess to killing the kids. I remember another video where they went into the police department there asking for the evidence to do a video on it and the officer saying as soon as Chris confessed all the funding for the investigation was pulled out and stopped. It's so odd how this whole thing was handled. I believe he's exactly where he belongs but I believe someone else should be serving life with him.
Denise Porter
This was absolutely premeditated, many factors indicate this. CW appears less intelligent because THEY had 2 wrenches thrown into their plans, thus they were not able to finish their evil plan. Their goal was financial wealth and to start a new life with no baggage. The plane delay and Shanann changing her passcode on her phone messed up their plans. They panicked and made major mistakes.
NA put the final nail in their (his, for now anyway) coffin. It would have actually been quite genius If they had been successful.
They were going to blow up the batteries and get a major payout, with NK driving the car to the site to make it look like Shanann drove there with the kids to confront CW about the affair. Then boom, the gas leak caused the explosion and all evidence is destroyed.
No one would know that the girls had been in the batteries and that Shanann was moved from the shallow grave to the car. It was shallow for a reason: it was temporary.
CW purposely used his debit card at dinner the night before to cause the argument.
It might sound crazy I know, but after 2 1/2 years of studying this case this is what I believe happened. Or very close anyway.
They ran out of time, luckily. If they had been able to get in Shanann’s phone and respond to texts, the alarm would not have been sounded so early on of them missing. I would pay to see the look on their disgusting faces when they couldn’t get into that phone. I also believe that is why the office appeared ransacked as opposed to the rest of the house being spotless. I believe they were looking through the office to see if she had the passcode written down.
From reddit:
I enjoy reading the opinions that everyone has. Some think NK was in on it. Some think he killed the children before SW was even home. Some think they had agreed upon a martial separation before she went to NC. Some think he and NK had been dating for much much longer than they both admit. Some think the girls had to ride in the car and walk up the oil tank steps to their death. Some think they were killed in the house. Some think Cece was killed in the house and Bella rode alive to CERVI. This is a true crime case where people are asked to bring their thinking caps and look at the material we have available and then discuss their thoughts. Not shut down any conversation with how she and the children didn't deserve to die. People discussing oddities in SW behavior or social media postings are discussing the context of the stress in their marriage which both SW and CW were a part of. A marriage which could have and should have been legally dissolved with a divorce. Not blaming a woman for she and her children's murder.
And to be clear, nobody deserved to be murdered. Period. If someone EVER says she she or the children deserved murder, please report them to the mods and I hope they get Perma banned.
So basically that's what I'm talking about when people are being rational in the sub. They're actually discussing the case without resulting to appeals to emotion.
Doesitmatter59
NK voiced so often and loud that she wasn't interfering, I think it opened her up to this kind of criticism, just saying. I'm not disagreeing. It made me actually think "why", why do so many have a visceral reaction to NK. I think it was the fact that she refused to take any accountability for her role.
OkRadish5
I noticed in all his videos with her and the kids he looks like he’s playing a role, and there were multiple times going way back as far as their wedding day where his eyes have this dead glare of rage and contempt. It’s very disturbing. Note this same gleam of simmering rage is seen way back in his high school photos, so he had a cold blooded inclination to kill, I believe, fully from the time he was young. If he never met SW he would’ve killed someone else. But the one video where she announces with the t-shirt stood out some because, when I saw it, it looked like the only time he looked like a normal human being but it was probably just his mask was extra good that day and I fell for it.
Chrissa D wrote on youtube:
I was in possession of the original Discovery.
In the very first Discovery, orders came down from DA Rourke, that, GET THIS:
"All hand written paper notes (yellow) that have been written will be destroyed and only typed witness interviews will be accepted for Discovery." This order is written and handed down by DA Rourke.
How's that for being the ultimate redaction!! Just thought I would mention it.
DirtyFloorHotDogs
I was reading the discovery the other day of the texts between NK & Charlotte and it seems like all the texts of him being jacked, Cherokee, and even Charlotte's comment "do you want to go back to high school" when NK was complaining about CW's baggage, isn't in there, which I found strange because I knew I had read that and now it's gone.
I think they met way earlier than they said. There's no way someone gets that overly involved in someone's finances, knows such personal information and inserts herself into every aspect of someone's life, that they claim they weren't that into, unless they're with them a while or a yenta.
Also, searching for wedding dresses for hours, googling if men marry their mistresses, talking about marriage, kids and types of houses they want to live in are things people do later on, not 6 weeks in. So yeah, I think they met around 2017 when she was looking both SW & CW up.
Sarah Princess
Yes I’ve always thought it was longer -- I think Chris was being made into the perfect Manchurian candidate, and the reason he’s not telling truth is embarrassment of sexual 3 somes -- 2 men and her -- and in fear for family’s life! This was about corruption mixed with luciferianism -- just check out Denver airport murals and you’ll get my drift! I could be wrong but imho he was approached due to financial difficulties and compliance -- I don’t think he killed his children at the very least -- but I’m happy to be proved wrong!
debinambiocry
Does your current copy of Discovery contain the words "callous" now? Mine doesn't. The video (above) is from almost 2 years ago; there may be 20 months of additional changes. Someone is messing with us.
DirtyFloorHotDogs
The copy I was reading was online after googling "watts discovery". I have to go through my printed copy to see if there's a difference between the two. So there are copies of the unredacted version out there?
debinambiocry
No, on contrary - it weirdly seems like all available copies get additional redactions. Jimeva in the video made screenshots so she found her mind was not playing games with her.
DirtyFloorHotDogs
I printed it out in 2019. So at least that one can't change. I wonder why the additional copies are getting redactions. This whole case is just getting weirder with all its secrecy and cover ups.
debinambiocry
Makes no sense to put e.g. fridge temperature photo of 8/13 in discovery and then to redact it but keep the nude photo of that woman who wrote to Chris. I wonder why she doesn't sue the State, LE, or whoever was in charge for such privacy invasion. Her neighbors would recognize her if they read the Discovery now.
Here is "you wanna to go back to high school" still there on TCRS:
DirtyFloorHotDogs
There are two instances where CW says it was the turning point. The first
was when he went for the weekend camping trip at the sand dunes. The
other was the Lazy Dog dinner. I think it was during his February 2019
"chat" where he said those were the beginning of the end. I find that he
tells on himself (as most people who lie do) and gives hints here and
there. I just find it interesting how both of those happen to be times
CBI refused swabs from Bella and Cece and all fingernail clippings, which is discussed in this video at the 3 hour 6 minute mark:
And it is discussed in more detail in this video at the 1 minute 26 minute mark:
CBI instructed the Frederick PD to dispose of this evidence, which is discussed in this video at the 1 hour 52 minute mark:
Regular police officers from the small PD in Frederick collected evidence, not forensic teams from CBI. The CBI didn't collect any evidence from the Watts home on Tuesday or Wednesday, before releasing the crime scene on Wednesday, 8/15.
Armchair Detective's “direct source” to CW was Heather. Her youtube channel is called UnMurdered. She is the reason why AD kept saying CW was sending him cryptic messages and emails asking for help. It was discovered that letters between Heather and CW had stopped in September 2020 and that she was making stuff up.
Apparently, Dave, AD and Bubbles knew Heather was fake but didn’t care as long as the scam carried on. They pretended to be “duped “ when Heather and her scam with them was outed by the Rzuceks.
Breaking Views wrote on youtube:
They [AD's members] hate, detest and loathe NK to the point they’ve become obsessive and AD has deliberately fostered that in them. They’ll throw all amounts of cash at him in the hope they see NK dragged on her hands and knees to jail. Gotta hand it to him, he’s been very clever in how he’s secured his incoming cash flow. It’s like a drug to those women now; they MUST have their twice daily hate fest and he does nothing but profit from it. And he HATES the Rzuceks because he thinks they sold themselves on TV so why can’t he?! Absolute GREED is what drives him.
PeggySueGotMarried wrote on youtube:
Ever since bubble bum came along he's gotten worse. She writes his scripts now and it seems he's turning evil!! I don't tune in anymore because not only will he destroy himself but bubbles will take over his channel because she's greedy and wants him gone and that's what her game plan is and we all know it.
yannie grannie wrote on youtube:
I agree totally. Bubbles comments about AD's inability to follow conversation etc. shows she really thinks he is quite stupid, for sure in her mind he is beneath her. She is in the process of making him ruin himself by taking her advice and then when he goes she already has this great base to fraud. She lied on panel saying she doesn't get paid, but if she owns the red channel all it takes is for Alan to lose his blue account and presto she has the red and can carry on with or without him.
YT Kimberly wrote on youtube:
AD lives rent-free in your head. Take your hand and spread your fingers out. Now slap your hand onto your face and leave it there. That's what obsession looks like and in case you missed it - AD represents your hand in this exercise. Now, you can walk around with it for the rest of your life if you choose but you're not hindering AD, you are only hindering yourself. Do creators get fed up with the hate from time to time - ABSOLUTELY. Of course AD has humility. You may be able to recognize it if you just removed your own hand that's blocking your ability to see clearly. How very sad it is to hate anyone. Your comment is rude and unwelcome.
Amanda Soileau wrote on youtube:
By the time August 12th arrives, we won't hear him [Armchair Detective] speaking of this [his book being published] anymore. He knows he can't provide the product(s) he's hyped his subs into paying for, so he's just going to stfu about it, relatively soon, and hope no one bothers calling him on it, especially the people he has stolen from AGAIN. It's what happens EVERYTIME... with his fake insiders, fake books and documentaries of past.
And, he'll get away with it AGAIN!
He just got caught
with a script for his content going back 8 months and going forward 2 months on shite
that he hadn't even claimed happened yet... and N-O-T-H-I-N-G. They've just
continued on their "make a scammer famous" journey, conjured up new
"HUGE projects" to swindle donations from their "stupid as a
stick" subs and now NO ONE is talking about the biggest incident and
evidence to date PROVING that he's nothing more than a liar, thief, scamming
con in search of relevance. Nope, no one is speaking of that anymore... we are
now on to a BOOK and DOCUMENTARY... he's scamming to evade getting caught
scamming, and apparently we just follow along like it's normal.
He's going to make ONE GREAT BIG FUSS AND BLAME, ONCE OR TWICE, about how he was cheated out of the book deal because of trolls or he had a health crisis or some shite, and then... NOT A GOD DAMNED THING.
And everyone everyONE EVERYONE will just follow him on to the next GREAT, GRAND, BRILLIANT AD GEM OR JEWEL! Doesn't matter which side they're on, they'll just move along in unison with him, and in 10 weeks no one will remember Barnes and Noble.
THIS IS WHAT HIS SUBS ARE PAYING FOR. THIS IS WHAT THEY
WANT... REAL TIME, REAL LIFE DRAMA... SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH
THEIR OWN.
And it's no longer possible for some people to actually hold him accountable now because some have followed suit and raised money from subs and supporters for the specific purpose of going after him... and, N-O-T-H-I-N-G.
And, just as in the case with Alan, no one asks the only reasonable question... where's all the money?
No, instead, continuing to follow suit, just a month ago... asking for donations for the SAME cause... outrage, pain, turmoil over AD and his lies and abuse of victims.
I should just stfu here because I
don't have the time to deal with ignorant hateful sheep on EITHER side of this
"scam". But I'm so effin fed up with this, so let's continue on a bit...
If the victims don't do anything, then nothing will be done. They won't, so maybe they (not all, some) could stop dragging all of us through their anger and frustration and outrage over Alan. No one, but they, have the public and legal power to stop him... they've raised over $10k to do so... it won't happen.
And I don't want to hear bullsh about what happens behind the scenes and legal matters take time and he's in the UK and attorneys cost way more than that... STOP.
You have no idea who you're spinning these "fantastical tales" to. There is NOTHING in the works; however, wanting to keep us riled up and pssed off brings a sense of unity in hardship, comfort in their pain and anguish over what this low life POS continues to do.
No doubt they have the right to be outraged. It's repulsive and reprehensible, but... do SOMETHING or let it go.
It's almost 3 years, that's too long dealing with bullsh...
It would NOW be in the families best interest to ignore this dumb, uneducated, illiterate, self adoring, egocentric, 70 year old petulant childman (psyche over physiology) of IRRELEVANCE. The time to act has long passed... they know it and I presume the "means" are no longer available.
Much to their credit, Mr. and Mrs. are intelligent, dignified and graceful people who are guided by their faith. They trust in God because they have the patience and discernment to understand His will for them. They are wise enough not to personally finance a battle that, FOR WHATEVER THE LOGICAL REASON, won't take place. And again, I presume other financial means are no longer available... my gut feeling, my opinion, my belief... whatever t.f.
No one has stopped to recognize that the victims, as well as the creators trying to fight a battle they are NOT, and those of us who keep speaking out in disgust...
WE are bankrolling AD. If we went silent for 6 months, he'd have no more viewership and he'd be gone.
Those idiots who support him are
not doing so FOR JUSTICE OR TRUTH, they do it because of the hate and vitriol
going back and forth. They are paying for entertainment and we provide them
with INTERACTIVE DRAMA, like effin reality TV or some shite.
YouTube will never do anything about this kind of stuff. It's petty to them, number 2... AND, NUMBER ONE, they know that people are more motivated to interact and quicker to react to THE NEGATIVE. Who isn't in a hurry to post a bad product review after a negative experience, but a good review... well it can wait until later, or never. It's human nature.
YouTube
knows it so they won't put a STOP to the bad and the ugly... THEY PROMOTE IT,
THEY RELY ON IT. It's how they make their $$$$$.
As for any creator whom Alan has personally attacked or
wronged in someway... Go get him. I think you should do everything you can to
keep the heat up and the spot light on his wrongdoing. Just make sure that you
are doing it FOR YOU... your integrity, your good name, your desire to rid
YouTube of HIM, even if an unlikely victory - a noble cause, nonetheless.
Rant Over. I feel like the appropriate thing would be to apologize for "something," but I don't believe I have anything to apologize for, so doing so would certainly be inappropriate. TIME FOR BASEBALL!!
Light house wrote on youtube:
* Misplaced Anger *
I don't want to come accusing but instead offer some healthy food for thought to soothe everybody. I am just wanting to shed light to where the arrows are mis-hitting their target. Never said her family wasn't under serious fire & justifiably hurting. But how to handle a very real attack in a way that is effective is at hand & making sure to have the true source of pain. Anything less is a good waste of time & resource & just passing your pain along.
As the saying goes, choose your battles carefully.
Scripture speaks of this as speaking the truth in love (because most often truth is spoken in anger & hate which doesn't help). Whoever you are targeting may have no intent to harm you. There's an art to setting the record straight without doing the very same thing your opposition is doing -- hurling insults. Taking a good look in the mirror first to make certain not to just project onto a perceived enemy what I myself am doing or have done.
Connie Jones
Sounds like Jr is adduced to the drama. Can’t face his grief. People who love him need to stop joining him and help him heal. This is so not going to help him. So sad.
Light house
Yes, just bleeding all over the place!
Bette's Bush
@Light house And still pursuing his dream of altering the First Amendment to the US Constitution by shutting down youtube creators who talk about his family; and obsessing only over AD. The solution is for the family to ignore youtube. They don't seem to have a problem ignoring websites created to bash their daughter and ignoring subreddits that spread nonstop hateful things about Shanann.
Light house
@Bette's Bush Yes, it's really weird & makes little sense. The only valid complaint they make is the tossing around of possible theories where things do not make sense. But this is what true crimers do. And he has taken measures to be sensitive where family members are concerned.
Light house
@Bette's Bush Been hoping You Tube makes a policy to not allow mention of other creators on channels to halt the mudslinging. We really don't want the 1st amendment messed with for the sake of truth seeking in true crime & elsewhere.
Bette's Bush
@Light house Yes, it's what true crimers do with all cases, not just the Watts case. The worst with the Watts case in blaming the victim, SW, are certain bloggers and subreddits, but the Rs don't say anything about this, perhaps because no money is being made.
Light house
@Bette's Bush Most creators make little to no $ on You Tube. It seems more a tool to dig at certain persons. But gross hypocrisy for sure as the accusers have positioned themselves to benefit profit-wise more than anyone. Not to mention they are holdouts on truth to prove the crime was done singlehandedly by the former son in law, which only serves to stir the pot of suspicion. Typically people who have the truth just spill it, to deliver themselves of speculation. In this case it seems more like game playing. Both seeding/feeding the curiosity & making hypocritical accusations/threats to stop questioning the case.
Bette's Bush
@Light house So true. The Rzuceks have said multiple times that the family has proof that CW acted alone but they have no intention of sharing it with the public. If they really have proof, why else, other than what you suggest, would they not share it? It would help put an end to the speculation and theories.
Light house
The holding of truth by the family & flaunting that, taunting with it is gross! Making out like they are angry for the circus they have helped to create & now they are greater victims than ever before. They said it on MRB when she was reading out the so called "script" with them live.
magiclougie
It seems the Rzuceks' proof that NK wasn't involved comes from MartinJDeehan (see the comment section of this blog post). Who is this man and why is he controlling the narrative for the "truthers" on youtube? Has he been assigned to "handle" Frankie?
MartinJDeehan wrote on reddit: "I personally had briefings with FBI almost on a daily basis... I speak to Frankie on a daily basis."
So, MartinJDeehan, a Norwegian musician, talks to the FBI almost daily. And then he shares this inside info with Frankie, who MartinJDeehan speaks to on a daily basis. And, apparently, this is how the Rzuceks have solid proof that NK was not involved. And the Rzuceks have proclaimed that they will never share this info with the public, yet they want everybody to stop talking about the case.
According to Daniel Bishop: "Frankie Rzucek has worked with Martin Deehan, who is also in contact with NK's mother and family members but the Rzuceks are totally cool with that."
MartinJDeehan presents himself on youtube as being a member of the power punk band The Yum Yums from Oslo, Norway (since 1993).
Light house
Saw that FR's threat video has been either removed from YT or taken down by his own choice. So that's a victory! If we continue to report videos & comments that are over the line of abuse, it will greatly help. I only started this recently. Most of us are just too kind & that's a problem. Too passive. So the squeaky wheel as they say! Voices Behind the Veil (Cher) I saw also came out of the mob & openly apologetic towards AD & has a story to tell. Not sure if I can mention other channels or not. My diagnosis for this whole mess ~~~ growing pains!
Hate justifies our feelings to set out to destroy our perceived opposition, often not allowing for adjustment for anyone to grow & do something better. When much of our troubles stem from battles within our own hearts & minds. Scripture says to remove the plank first from our own eye & then we can help someone else with the splinter in their eye. We need to acknowledge our own. Then God will hear our prayer & answer.
– JayIs4Justice Podcast obtained audio of a Chris Watts' jail-house call with his girlfriend & a private investigator.
– Chris references studying in law library & discusses potential plans to file paperwork under ’35c’: Colorado’s Post-Conviction Relief, which is a way to attempt to vacate verdicts.
– Believes it was “God’s plan” for him to go to prison
– Says “I just want to get out of here”
On September 29, 2020, ‘Jay Is 4 Justice Podcast’ channel published a prison phone recording with Chris. During the 15 minute audio, Chris speaks with two individuals: an unknown male, labeled as a ‘Private Investigator’, and a female named Anna, who was allegedly Chris’ girlfriend at the time.
[Begin Chris Watts Prison Phone Call Transcript]
Private Investigator (Male Caller): Hey Buddy, how’s it going?
Chris Watts: Not too bad. Thanks for taking the call.
Private Investigator: Yeah, is it just you, or is Anna on also?
Anna: I’m here too.
Private Investigator: Alright, cool. Alright, so just talk to me. I don’t want a big, long, monopolizing conversation, so…. tell me what you want to know from me. Just tell me what’s on your heart.
Chris Watts: Well, you know, just going to the law library as much as I have, I’ve seen a lot of cases, I’ve heard a lot of cases around here–I’ve seen a lot of cases where the D.A. or the judge have had a lot of misconduct, but the judge has ruled it’s not egregious or it’s not that well or accurate enough to really play in the defendant’s favor. I’m looking at the things that I know…I mean, I’ve never I mean… I’ve never dealt with the law school [unintelligible] I’m winging it in the law library as I am. And you know, God directed me through little things, like through the poisonous tree, The Brady Law, and different cases that, you know, they pop out of nowhere, but I know if God put them in front of me, and I see all these things that relate to my case. I just don’t know, like, how to frame this? Where, like, when I do the 35c [Note: 35c is a reference to pursuing Colorado’s Post-Conviction Relief in an attempt to vacate verdicts or sentences] I’ve had this paperwork with me for probably a couple months. I know all we have is a year left to appeal some of those Class B and C felonies that have a three-year limit and a two-year limit. And I really want to figure out where I can do it in the right time frame, but also like not rushing anything and…. I just, I’m gonna tell you something, I just wanna get out of here. I know that God has a plan for me and it’s not—it’s to be in prison right now, but not major . Cause he brought me here for a reason, but he obviously wants me to do something on the outside, and I know I can’t just sit here and just wait. I know there’s waiting doing nothing, and there’s waiting that I’m seeking an action verb, that’s what I’m doing. But I also wanna know, like, what action to take ‘cause I have no…no intellect when it comes to the law. But I know He can teach me. And that’s what I’m just waiting for, things to fall into place. I just don’t know how to do it.
Private Investigator: I got you. Um…and you don’t have the benefit of an attorney that is in your hip pocket, so to speak. Okay. I’ve got a couple attorneys here I can talk to that can maybe help, you know, get some good results…get some good advice for you in terms of forms and what to say, things like that. That’s not gonna be an overnight process for me to, you know, get the results, you know, we want. It’s going to take some time. But I’m not saying overnight, but I am saying maybe several days to a week or so.
Chris Watts: Okay.
Private Investigator: So let me see what I can do along those lines. I know you’re in a tough spot and– how do you know how to do something when you don’t know what it is you need to do?
Chris Watts: Exactly.
Private Investigator: So, it’s tough. So, I get it.
[Crosstalk]
Chris Watts: —but I know when the law, like, you’re gonna run into certain things where the motion’s gonna get denied, or like whatever I write down they just might think “…well, that’s not…what you’re claiming isn’t enough to go back to you’re not [unintelligible] want a mistrial. you’re not wanting to have this appeal granted. You know, denied”. And I’m just like, well, what do I do then? You know?
Private Investigator: Yeah.
Chris Watts: And I just…I don’t want to get hit hard when that happens. I know it will probably happen at some point. Not all motions or all appeals are granted. But [unintelligible] they’re like ‘Wait’. When it goes there they see like oh well. It’s like, do I put everything down that I know? Or just like…I don’t want to put everything down so they know everything that I’m on, you know?
Private Investigator: Well okay, let me address a couple things in what you just said. First of all, you live in a closed society now. Every door is shut in your face. You cannot go from one–you go to one wall, you can’t go further. You’ve got to turn to your left, you can’t go any further so, you know what I’m saying? You’re in this perpetual…this room with no doors, so you cannot get through. You go that, you understand that? What I’m trying to say?
Chris Watts: Yep.
Private Investigator: Your world is controlled. You hear the word ‘No’ probably more than you hear the word ‘Yes’ in that system. So one thing you need to be very accustomed to is being denied. Being turned down. Being told no. You with me?
Chris Watts: Yep.
Private Investigator: Okay. Now, some people will lose hope very, very quickly because everywhere they turn, every time they talk to someone, they’re hearing things they don’t want to hear. They’re being told no. You can’t have this, you can’t have that. You can’t go here, you can’t go there. You know, you’re a—whatever legal action you’re trying to do—
[Automated recording cuts in]—attorney calls may be monitored and recorded.
Private Investigator: —whatever you’re trying to do you’re always being told ‘No’. What you can’t do is allow yourself to lose hope Don’t take no for an answer! And don’t give up the first time you’re told no. You understand?
Chris Watts: Yeah.
Private Investigator: So they key in all this is you gotta be strong. You gotta be physically strong, you gotta be mentally strong. And you got to understand that you know what, you’re the underdog… but underdogs can win. They can be a dog in the fight. So I want you to get this attitude that no matter what you do, we’re not gonna take no for an answer. They tell us no, we’re gonna try again. They tell us no again, we’re gonna try again. You just gotta keep persevering and don’t lose hope, okay? Cause I tell you what, you lose hope, you lose your life. Alright?
Chris Watts: Yep.
Private Investigator: So just keep a positive attitude about all that, and don’t take any steps back, just keep moving forward, even if it’s a small step, move forward and not backward, okay?
Chris Watts: Okay. Just like in my Devotional today it was Esther it was that door of hope, and yeah. The Lord was speaking to Esther and she was saying to The Lord I’ve led you to the wilderness, but I will plant in that wilderness vineyards and you’ll go through the valley and quarrel with the valley of trouble, I’ll put a door of hope. Even though you’re in the wilderness and he’s gonna put nightmares in that wilderness and put you in the valley of trouble, there will be a door of hope in that trouble.
Private Investigator: That’s great. Well, I’m proud of you. Good job. Keep that up, keep your nose in that book, too.
Chris Watts: I will.
Private Investigator: Yeah.
Anna: So Chris, what were you saying before we got cut off about, ah, when he asked I can’t remember what it was, but you were talking about the evidence and your confession that wasn’t true.
Chris Watts: I just feel that I’ve never experienced anything like that before. From the custody that happened, from the law enforcement to the interrogation, the jail, the prison. All this is still heavy. I know that… did happen before, I knew the shock and the trauma was there in my mind. I didn’t know how to process things. Every question that they asked me, I was just agreeing with them and going along with what they cause I was like ‘well, guess I have to tell them something’. And, you know when they came here to prison and interrogated me, they were in their street clothes acting like, you know, they were just talking to me…where in retrospect, they were actually interrogating me again. I know for a fact that, you know [unintelligible] so all that is like, null and void. Still, they’re going to try to use all this stuff against me. But I know that from that interrogation to the first one, all that was like a coercive type psychological intimidation of someone that, you know, had never been in that situation before, and they used that to their advantage.
Private Investigator: Well Chris, what you witnessed first hand is a game. It’s like getting back to the old biblical days where you’ve got the big Roman soldier in the pen with the little guy and you’re fighting for your life and you don’t know what to expect, but you just–that’s a terrible analogy and I’m sorry, but I’m just saying you just didn’t know what was going on.
Chris Watts: No.
Private Investigator: And it’s a game that’s why I tell so many people this a game that they’re playing. You are the prey, they are the hunter. You’re the prey and they’ve got you exactly where they want you and most times they’re gonna get what they want because you know what? They keep you for hours, they deprive you of your basic needs and every second that you’re with them in that chair and they’re bearing down on you, your mind is actually deteriorating. Your mind is playing games against you and that’s why we have so many times where people give confessions for things that they just did not do. It’s because you know what, they want to get out of there. They want to just tell ‘em what they need to know, what they’re asking, what they’re interested in so they can get out and go home. Well you know what? Guess what doesn’t happen? They don’t go home, and their life is forever changed. So—
Chris Watts: Yeah. Again, after I told them what they wanted to here then they offered me food.
Private Investigator: Exactly.
Chris Watts: So it was strange. The thing I know–like what you’re talking about playing a game– ‘cause when the CBI Agent and the FBI Agent…like, when the CBI…a woman, when she like, questioned me for hours, and after those hours of interrogation she puts a polygraph up. And then I’m like, you know, exhausted at this point…and then after that I’m sitting in there alone and I hear them outside the door, you know, the FBI Agent comes up “Oh, how did you do?”. And, she said, “Oh, he did pretty good, but I think we can get some more out of him”. And they come in with this game face saying “Okay, you lied”. I’m thinking to myself ‘Wait…I thought she just said I did pretty good?’. And I didn’t question them about it, I just believed what she said. They said I failed. But I know, I know for a fact she said “he did pretty good but I think we can get some more out of him”. I’ll only think about this stuff way after it happened. And I was like, wow!
Private Investigator: Chris, that’s a little game and I can tell you for a fact that they did not administer the polygraph in the proper way. You should have been on the top of your game mentally, spiritually, physically when they gave you that polygraph. You should have had a good night’s rest before they gave you that polygraph. So, I don’t trust the polygraph. I don’t trust the results, and they use that as a hammer over your head to scare you. Because the polygraph scares everyone! Because of its reputation. We can talk more about that later.
Chris Watts: Yeah. (Sighs) Well, thank you for taking another call. I think I have only like 30 seconds left, but I know that, you know, God can lead me on how to write this thing up to get it back. And I just thank you for helping me and just going through that discovery. I mean, you don’t have to do it but you’re doing it. I just believe that God can lift liberation on your heart and it’s really gonna [unintelligible] so you know what to do.
Private Investigator: Good. And we’re with ‘ya.
Anna: Alright, he got cut off.
Private Investigator: Alright. Okay. Um, next time that you need me to come online, Anna, do this: call me and then if I don’t answer immediately, text me.
Anna: Okay.
Private Investigator: So, I have to tell you my phone screws up sometimes and I don’t want to miss a call or a text, so, just as a backup plan.
Anna: Okay.
Private Investigator: Alright, is there anything we need to talk about?
Anna: Ahh, nope. I’m just gonna call his parents now and let them know.
Private Investigator: Okay.
Anna: Okay, sounds good.
Private Investigator: Alright, just stay in touch with me.
Anna: I will, and if he calls back and wants to talk again then I’ll just text you or call you.
Private Investigator: Alright, sounds good.
Anna: Okay, thank you.
Private Investigator: Alright, thank you.
Anna: Yeah.
Private Investigator: Alright, bye-bye.
Anna: Bye-bye.
[End Chris Watts Jail Phone Call Audio Transcript]
https://crimelights.com/chris-watts-new-prison-call-transcript/
Frankie Rzucek Jr
I didn't know my speech was slurred [in his police interview, video below], I wasn't on medication and STILL haven't taken anything since my family was murdered. When my dad and I went to Colorado it was to go to court to file official charges on cw, and to pick up my family's dead bodies and fly them back home with us under the plane. My nieces bodies were so toxic due to what their poor bodies were in for 3½-4 days, they had to go on a separate plane. So my sister and one of her children were on our plane and the other (we don't know who) was put on a connecting flight. We tried to fight it but it was flight regulations, they didn't want an explosion.
Any way, after court and seeing cw for the 1st time since we found out he killed my family, my father and I went back to out hotel and waited for the FBI to come interview us. Idk if you seen my eyes in court but they had huge bags underneath them, I hadn't slept in over a week due to hellish nightmares, watching and hearing my mother and father sob like I've never heard before.. My brain was trying to realize this was for real, my ONLY SISTER, ONLY NIECES, and ONLY NEPHEW that no one ever got the chance to meet. Well other than talking to him through my sisters belly when she was here.
My Dad gave his interview first and I had to wait in the lobby of the hotel. I had fallen asleep on the couch because I was absolutely exhausted. My dad and FBI woke me up and I went to give my interview. My mind, emotions, everything was all over the place. I guess that's what happens when your family is brutally murdered by someone you loved, trusted, and hugged just a week earlier.
I tell ya what, all these wanna-be Dickectives that have NO IDEA what it's like to loose someone to MURDER let alone more than half our family like we have. We had just had a funeral for one of my favorite uncles a few months earlier, he died of Alzheimer's. Then my family was murdered, and on Christmas eve my other favorite uncle had a heart attack, they brought him back but it was too late, he stayed alive on machines for a few days, then we had to unplug him. We have had to make that decision with about 6 of our family members in my lifetime.
Oh I almost forgot that my Dad and I received friend request from cw the moment we got out of court and called my mom to tell her what was going on. Then the harassment started. We had to deal with HUNDREDS of media companies calling, texting, emailing, and showing up at our door, and camping in OUR FRONT YARD. It had gotten so bad that I had gotten my friend who's dad was a sheriff to patrol our neighborhood to stop then from hounding us.
I'm sure everyone knows about the woman "reporter" who called and pretended to be my aunt about 10 minutes after WE READ ON THE INTERNET THAT MY BROTHER IN LAW KILLED MY FAMILY AND HAD ADMITED TO IT. YES THE REAL DETECTIVES DIDNT EVEN GET A CHANCE TO CALL US YET AND TELL US PERSONALLY. I'M SURE THEY WERE PREPARING THEMSELVES ON HOW TO BREAK IT TO US.
ANYONE WHO THINKS IT'S OK TO PICK ON ME, SLANDER ME, TORMENT ME, HARRASS ME, AND SO ON, THERE'S A SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR YOU. THAT I DO KNOW.
The pos in the video forgot to mention that his minions like Daniel had been harassing and slandering me weekly for the past year and a half, if not longer. I actually forgotten about him until someone's showed me the video he had just made about me. I knew he was just looking for attention so I ignored it, like I do the rest of the evil punks. I had commented on someone's channel who was talking about him making ANOTHER GFM. So I commented saying, "what do you know, he's making ANOTHER go fund me, and he had the nerve to talk about my ONE go fund me that I made to hire lawyers".
I haven't come out to defend myself against these people because I don't stoop to their level, I just hand all the evidence to my attorney's. PERIOD.
THEY WANT THE FACTS, THERE IT IS
Frankie Rzucek Jr
Just think, this was only the first week after my family was killed. Now just think about everything else we've been put through EVERY SINGLE DAY SINCE this happened. We're lucky that we're still here to be honest, I don't even know how we've been able to deal with all of this ADDED BULL💩. But yet I'm the "bad guy" because I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY TORMENT THAT MY FAMILY AND MYSELF HAVE HAD TO ENDURE.
I WILL NOT EVER STOP STANDING UP FOR MYSELF AND MY FAMILY, THATS WHAT REAL MEN DO.
Aboma Desalegn
@Frankie Rzucek Jr bro you didn't need to explain yourself. Anyone with logic and moral would understand, and A.D has none. Remind yourself that you won't get anything good from him so you won't be upset. He is doing this to get back at you and create more Drama so he can get his worthless book sold. I listened to it bro, wow. I was amazed by your true Character. You were comforting CW sister when you were the one that needed comforting. It clearly back fired on him. His owns subs were going after him. He is losing, and just be patient.
Much Sunshine wrote on youtube about AD reviewing Frankie Jr.'s police interview:
Everything is about him [AD]. Even the death of Bishop's step dad.
How many times has he told that story about Dr Phil? He's a complete bore.
He wants the parents to stop?
Yet he can continue exploiting a solved and closed case?
Imagine for a minute that your only daughter, and your only grandchildren are murdered. Then imagine a greedy, soulless old con man begins exploiting your deeply personal tragedy. It's obvious he's doing it for cash, so you publicly ask him to stop. Instead, of stopping, he accuses you of selling out to cover up for the "real killer." He then twists the narrative that he cares more about justice for your murdered family members than you do!
Meanwhile, when he's not telling the same boring stories for SuperChat, he's drinking, gambling, and watching mother-daughter incest porn.
A more despicable man doesn't exist.
Kybele Kordax
The man is despicable, playing the victim, using a horrific series of murders as "a soap opera" to line his pockets, and attacking the family. AD, stop your vile scam! Just stop!
Armchair Detective (AD), at the video link below, requested: "If you have been used as an ATM by Jr. [Frankie], please contact me."
AD said he has been contacted by two women so far, one being Kelley (videos below). Apparently Frankie Rzucek Jr. also did this to Molly Golightly.
Kelley said around the 2 hour 2-minute mark that Frank Sr. refunded the money she had given to Frankie Jr. It had nothing to do with the gofundme: it was separate from that. Frankie Jr. said he needed lumber for his construction business, parts for his truck, his dog was sick, he needed to get his mom a Mother's Day gift. etc. (2 hour 11-minute mark).
I understand the money was returned to you [Kelley]. That is not the point though. No grown man should ever go to a single working mother for money. What people need to understand is a person could have issues and faults before a tragedy happens in their family circle. Once the tragedy happens it doesn’t make the family of the victim a saint. Frankie Jr had issues before the death of his family. I don’t want to sound harsh but he seems to have free access to abuse but people aren’t allowed to answer back to defend themselves. Wrong on all levels.
Southern Lady
Sorry he took from you too. He did this to Molly GoLightly-Marissa.
Executive Session
So brave of you. I can’t imagine how hard this was. I felt this pain that night on panel. I wanted so bad to do the right thing and I was still attacked daily. But not only by the “Watts Island” people, but still by the “truthers”. It hasn’t been pleasant. And I’ve stepped back for a while and it’s opened my eyes a lot. Especially talking with other victim families. They’ve expressed that this isn’t behavior that should be accepted. And I never once said they took a payoff or any money. Never. No one can show a clip or a message because it doesn’t exist. And the billboard was a simple idea when I first started to try to get the DA to investigate whoever else may be involved. But we NEVER raised a dime or even started a fundraiser. I said I didn’t want my name on it and it was an idea. People just lie. I have never once said a single bad word about the family. Not once.
I’ve fought with friends that are creators because they suggest CW didn’t kill them. I’ve made enemies for that. I have no doubt CW is 100% guilty. But my experience still raises questions about accomplice(s). I’ve never platformed the Shanann bashers and I never will.
But I tried to listen to the family and just stop talking about the case entirely. Again, I was still attacked. So why should I?
Asking authorities to explain the mistress discrepancies is NOT defending CW or attacking the family. It’s asking for full justice. I don’t expect you to like me. It’s ok. But you were very respectful and did the right thing that night. I was confused by what happened after I got off panel but it was horrible to watch. You were attacked for doing what they claimed for years to want. You got someone (me) to actually give up the case I was most passionate about. And you didn’t deserve to be hated for that. You deserved praise. I’m so sorry. I still enjoy your show and I wish you the absolute best. I mean that.
Maria R.
Thanks Larry, she's only tried to help and look how she's been treated. Sorry you got hate too. Time this hate should end.
PrettywithPistols
Very good stream - I think I was misunderstood - I was cooking and heard " victim's fund" and just was telling my experience- bad timing I think? It was nothing more than that- I'm on your side - I came from Molly's and know her experience with Noname, and that's just terrible. I don't understand it and said person's parents are, I hope, ashamed.
EmeraldKimmy
@Mary Vice the NYwarriormom Love you, too, Mary. You know, I just don’t understand it.
I thought AD was the one everyone hates and wants removed from YouTube. Is that not happening anymore? Is he vindicated now or is there some other reason everyone has given up trying to remove him? I’m confused. I thought everyone was supposed to stay the course, which is fine, except I thought that course was AD. This isn’t any of AD’s channels. This is Kelley’s channel. Is there some confusion?
If Kelley is the new target of what is unquestionably a hate campaign, then I guess not. This has become ugly and there is no justification for it. You, Kelley, Brooke and others who are being targeted like this do NOT deserve this. And don’t worry: even if I’ve gone quiet at times, by no means is that an indication of complete absence. Because I am here. And I am always in your corner.
FYI to those prone to adding what is not there: NONE of this is directed at the Rzuceks. I may not agree with something one or another of them has done, and I wouldn’t mind seeing them saying, “hey, this isn’t who we are, we may not associate with Kelley, but we don’t want to support attacking her like this.” But that’s up to them.
However, no one should have to say anything like that to these people. These people should know better. On their own. So as much as I’d like it if the family did say something like that, the fact is they shouldn’t be put in that position in the first place. We here all get that.
I wish the people determined to hurt Kelley would get that, too.
Mary Vice the NYwarriormom
@EmeraldKimmy it’s a cancel culture… Kelley won’t allow herself to be controlled anymore, that’s the bottom line.. I’m done for good now because nothing positive has come from supporting people... they’ll turn on the very people that stuck up for them for over two years… I will NEVER EVER allow this to happen in my life again… done. love u girl.
EmeraldKimmy
@Mary Vice the NYwarriormom That is completely understandable. I’m not sure why that’s so hard for people to grasp. How would they feel if a family they loved, cared about and tried to help just turned their backs on them, and then stood by and did nothing while they were on the receiving end of an exceptionally brutal cyber attack? No, the family should not have to be in that position. Unfortunately, it appears they are.
Why WOULD anyone want to extend themselves for someone only to have it thrown back in their face? It’s interesting that these people are worried about their reputations being tarnished because, then, the family won’t support them. Huh? I thought it was the other way around—supporting the family? That’s showing a lot of determination to please the family, but I have a question. If this is the kind of behavior they believe will impress this family and earn favor with them, what do they think that says about this family? How did they decide attacking someone so brutally is what will impress or please them?
I don’t understand how anyone can actually believe you’re this horrible person, Mary, because you’re not. I don’t say that lightly. How anyone can be so awful to you, I will never understand. My heart breaks for you and Kelley getting the brunt of it, and for the ladies being targeted and smeared, insulted and harassed.
They need to leave Amber and Cher alone, too. That includes Mr. Cher. Why can’t they just be happy for him and Cher? Why do they keep at these people like this? Why can’t they just walk away if they don’t like these people or their content?
Love you, too, Mary.
Mary Vice the NYwarriormom
@EmeraldKimmy she’s now being called a liar by them… unbelievable
EmeraldKimmy
@Mary Vice the NYwarriormom The family is calling Kelley a liar? Where?
Mary Vice the NYwarriormom
@EmeraldKimmy on MRBs channel [MommyRamblingsBlog] I swear Emeraldkimmy, I will NEVER get friendly with another’ victim’s family as long as I live… NEVER.
Buffalo Bangs
The Rzucek family is MRB's cash cow. She can't have them appearing on any other creator's youtube channel. Maybe that's why she was in chat along with Frankie Rzucek on Kelley's livestream. MRB may be giving the Rs a portion, if not all, of her youtube earnings on their videos together.
AD is getting his money from lonely older women. Frankie is getting it from other women, and he seems to want it all for himself, including AD's cut. And, as the Watts community on youtube aligns to takedown AD, Dave is positioning himself to step into AD's role and become the big kahuna (he's seems to be in every single chat, every day of the week, marking his territory and hijacking the channels of other creators, spewing random factoids and peacocking himself as the supreme authority on all things Watts).
These men would not think twice about leaving widows homeless and penniless by fleecing pensions and draining them of their life savings (retirement and bank accounts, home equity, etc.).
It's their job, don't cha know! They deserve to be compensated for being entertainers to the housebound, the disabled, the elderly.
They lure you in by calling you a member of their youtube family. Join my channel. Pay a monthly fee for the priveledge of chatting with me in a livestream. Send me superstickers in my superchats. We are family!
The majority of creators in the Watts case are women but it seems like the few male creators are the major breadwinners, and the impression is that they are narcissists preying on empathic women. All you women who are mods and co-creators with men, beware!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhixYXTImrA (video below)
Amber’s ALERT’s #thinkbeforeyoutype
Larry I remember the live of Kelley’s you went in and they came in and said “shut it down” . They did not even give you 24hr’s, they were making videos of stuff you had done prior the day after you said sorry. Made no sense to me. They pumped the hate up AFTER you apologized. Baffled me. Kelley took a lot of hate for that live and she was trying to have an open mind and talk to you. Honestly...I’ll never understand half the things that go on here. Lol
Executive Session
You hit the nail on the head. Kelley did the right thing and was so respectful. And I tried my hardest. The hate I continued to get was so confusing. It caused me hate from every side. But now it makes sense. So all I can do is be myself. I really enjoy Kelley’s content and she’s very caring. I will also continue to be an advocate for the victims when/if I ever discuss the case. But how she’s been treated has to be called out. It’s unfair and wrong. She’s obviously a hardworking single mother that was taken advantage of. My heart breaks.
Amber’s ALERT’s #thinkbeforeyoutype
@Executive Session Kelley got so much hate for simply having you on. I did not understand it bc I thought- wait a min, he is up here saying he is sorry and he wants to help, so why should it be shut down? Isn’t that the goal? I was new to Kelley’s channel and was really trying to understand it all. I will forever have the deepest sympathy for them, but I can’t help but have questions as to what is the end goal trying to shut down anyone whom wants to discuss the case? It’s sadly a world wide known case so I don’t think it’s ever gonna be possible to do that. But, yes, I’m like you, talking poor of Shannan and her babies is disgusting. But yeah it really confused the heck outta me when they pumped up the hate AFTER you said you were sorry. To me it seemed you genuinely wanted to help. Thank you for saying that of her. She deserves to have her truth out. Not right the amount of hate she is getting.
What's the link for when you were on with the Rzuceks?
Executive Session
Diane Marie
Legitimate question here. Why are the R’s so against AD. He always defends Shanann yet other channels go untouched by the R’s. There has to be more to it. I just have never understood their hatred of AD.
Executive Session
That’s a great question. I don’t understand it either and it seems obsessive.
Keri is so very
@Executive Session Maybe it’s because he makes up crazy stories as to how their daughter and grandchildren died. Every day it’s another lie for 3 years straight. I have been here from the beginning and he doesn’t leave them alone.
Scuba Gal
AGREE 100% sorry but the R family is bizarre & their treatment, slander, libel against a guy whose trying to get to the truth. I have a gut feeling they’re either jealous of AD's passion for their daughter getting full justice, maybe they don’t want to do more, maybe it’s too much work for them or they’re afraid of something coming out about their family because there is no logical reason for their disproportionate anger towards him AD.
Keri is so very
@Scuba Gal I hope you never have to experience what they have to experience. They have to listen to lies everyday. He is relentless.
Bonni MC
@Keri is so very I think the point was he isn't the only one covering this case relentlessly. I mean Lana and KK posted horrific things about Shannan and they are left alone by the R's. There are creators that have been covering this case for 3 years straight as well.
Keri is so very
@Bonni MC I get that but this person was asking why they are so angry with AD when he isn’t talking bad about Shanann. I am simply explaining why they are angry with him. He is full of crap! He comes up with a new theory everyday and brings new people into the case when they had nothing to do with it. He’s a liar and it’s obvious all he cares about is views. The family has begged him to stop. As far as Lana and KK, they don’t pay them any mind because they have said terrible things about their daughter. In my opinion, they probably haven’t even listened to them because of that.
Shakespeares Sister
If I were the Rzucek family I would be seriously meh about someone who has so many channels devoted to the murder of their daughter. And now a book!
The ❤ of 💰 is the ROOT of all EVIL. Greed is a terrible thing!
We Know What You Are replied in chat:
Every channel in the truth community knows what Kelly is saying is the truth but they’re all fighting over each other so much to be next spokesperson for the family that they dumped Kelley for it.
SyronJAG replied in chat:
If you didn't actually do anything wrong, DON'T APOLOGIZE. It gives them a position of power over you.
NavyVet replied in chat:
IMO if you continue to be a victim and never get past that mentality you will never become a survivor.
Scarlet Lady replied in chat:
I think a lot of people have seen this with Frankie but haven’t said anything because he’s the victim's family. He plays off of this.
Smiley replied in chat:
There is an agenda to take down AD, and some creators will do anything or anyone to reach that goal. The family is just a tool for these creators.
Maria R. replied in chat:
Yes YT definitely does promote abuse, the "truthers" create abuse, biggest bullies I've ever seen.
Rose🌹RNOG replied in chat:
SEE THAT RIGHT THERE IS THE PROBLEM. CHATTERS going from 1 live to another and lying. Stretching truth distorting it to cause drama.
Rose🌹RNOG replied in chat:
They threatened people to get their way. I think you can show your receipts @Kelly. Honestly Jr or Sr would show them. I know doesn't make ya feel good but people need to know.
Why not friend AD? He isn't doing anything that all these others are doing. He is just spot lighted because then a certain person can make a bunch of gofundme accounts for attorneys to "stop" him from talking about it. While they go on every channel they can, make movies for Netflix and create Youtube accounts of their own in effort to keep people talking about it. It is so obviou$ what is going on here. $$
Silver Orchid
@Kristina It is still happening - I saw it just a few days ago in one of the Truth Channels comments. Frankie Jr was commenting about how he is waiting for a crowdfunding link (to do with his lawyer - I'm not sure how crowdfunding works tbh). Some lady was sympathising with him and saying was there anything she could do to help. He said until he gets this crowdfunding link he 'only has his PayPal'.
I was concerned when I saw this because it was obvious what he meant even though he did NOT 'ask' for money. I think he has real problems with something and it doesn't take a genius to work out what that maybe!! And no wonder he has, after all he has been through!
I really don't care if the go fund me money hasn't been spent on what it was intended - I think most anything is understandable and forgivable in his/their situation, but it's not ok to keep doing it. If the money was for a lawyer something would be happening by now- a cease and desist at least. But the silence is deafening.
Kristina
@Silver Orchid I would not care about the gofundme either, if it was said and done, but like you, I and several have mentioned it is still going on. It is not ok to use the slaughter of your own family as a cash cow.
The reason they hate AD is because they want the money he is making to go to them. It just pisses Jr off that he is not getting it.
There are millions of people making money on youtube. AD isn't doing anything different than anyone else. Wrong behavior is wrong behavior.
I too have lost a child and it is hell, but I still have the same rules as everyone else to live by, and so do they. I mean look at what he did to Kelley, trying to get a single mom's last $80. He is doing this to a lot of women - note he singles out women to prey on. He knows exactly what he is doing.
Silver Orchid
@Kristina I agree - sometimes when I think about what happened to his sister and his nieces I get overcome by the horror of it all and I can't imagine how they get through the days! But to keeping asking/hinting for money isn't right regardless. Not under false pretences. He has a lot of subscribers to his channel - he could make money from his channel if he put his mind to it. I realise he may not want to do that but they're all on YT all the time anyway so...
Kristina
@Silver Orchid I agree with you 100%. I am not surprised that I got blocked asking about the progress of the "Lawyers". As far as other people saying "he is just human", it all boils down to the fact that he is still doing it. He didn't make a human mistake; he is actively scamming people out of cash.
There are no excuses. It has been 3 years of asking for money. If he was going to use it for the right purposes he would have by now. It is just like when Jewels of Thought asked for all that money for milo and then got her face shot up with fillers instead.
If people donate to a cause, the money should go to that and be accounted for. We are not picking on a victim; we are protecting innocent people from getting their bank accounts drained.
Bunny Rabbit
Kelley, I am very concerned over your safety. Not just you but others also, even AD. Kelley, the thing is, as we all are aware the family can support whomever they choose. It may be difficult to process, but it's a fact when we see exactly who they support. They are happy to support MD and Bam Bam's World in everything they say and do. I never did anything or say anything bad against the family, but I was blocked! But again, it's their choice. You have my support Kelley.
The Rzuceks go online to seek it out. They openly applaud and have asked for the bullying of people. Going after creators and even subs that comment. The doxing of people. Openly encouraged that people go real life and call (all hours) people's phones. Strangely, these behaviors are only really encouraged for the channel/creators/and subs that believe a specific person/people was involved. A person who was evidently quite skilled in getting Chris to open up about his marriage. I wonder how 'open' he got.
Although channels that openly suggest that SW had many 'issues' and that the first 'coerced' confession was right are left well alone. Odd no?
Recently, women are coming forward with stories of being used for money. One being a creator that clearly 'advocated' for 'the family,' saying her channel was now the family's. She would have zero reason to lie about that. She has showed the facts, yet now she is being accused of 'bashing the family'. Now that she is not willing to be used any longer, she's bashing.
In any other instance ,the behaviors she, and apparently others, have experienced would be called 'scamming.' Indeed, women are warned all the time about men who constantly come with desperate heart pulling stories of why they need to have you send them money. For me, a person doing that to anyone they have met directly through the death of their family, that has being affected so deeply by that, they are thinking they are supporting them, is utter emotional manipulation and disgraceful.
Now, to be hahahaha and lol'ing about THIS family's recent tragic, sudden loss? That is another level entitlement. Even a person who regularly 'critique's' Daniel's content in the comments acknowledged this sad event and shared his own personal loss and sent his condolences. In my opinion, displaying both good character and honorable behavior, despite his personal thoughts on this true crime case.
Lisa Avery
@Doing Life My Way Well said, love!! "Seek it out" to the point of APPEARING ON PANELS!! IMO, it's attention seeking behavior! For quite awhile now, nobody has even MENTIONED them! And Jr. is CERTAINLY irrelevant!! And, from what I've seen, EVERY SINGLE TIME that THIS happens (they're floating off into obscurity), they have to do SOMETHING to stay relevant!! This is probably the most attention Jr. has ever gotten in his life!! It can be addicting! It can ALSO be easy money!! Any talk about him had faded away because everyone was focusing on accomplices & the crime itself!
I'm sorry for everything that the R family has/is gone/going through! But there's ANOTHER ENTIRE FAMILY involved in this!! And THEY want answers! In other words, stop with the temper tantrums & trying to BOSS people around!! You're not the ONLY people involved! Shanann was a strong, independent, capable WOMAN! Meaning, SHE was an adult! She did NOT deserve what happened to her! But, as PARENTS, we feel AND SEE that there's been a HORRIBLE INJUSTICE that has been done to 3 BABIES!!! And THAT makes it OUR BUSINESS!!
Shay Be
I used to support the Rzuceks but watching them DAILY provoke things in the true crime community is beyond repulsive. They claim to be a Jesus loving family while spewing hate all over YouTube. For the life of me I can’t understand their juvenile behavior…smh. People have talked about high profile murder cases since the beginning of time, especially when there is a Netflix movies that the Rzuceks support and had a hand in!
Lori Smit
AD, it’s possible that Frankie and mom and dad could handle SW and the girls being killed in the house but once you found the shadow that changed everything. The family would have been so spent by that point and with the shadow info it was too much. They loved CW and can’t believe they got it so wrong. It’s much easier to blame you, someone they don’t even know. It’s just part of their grief.
Light house
Lots of support groups out there & online for those working through grief. Frankie Jr. was so early on in grief in the police interview. Definitely stuck in the anger phase of grief, but parents are too! I don't doubt they've had all sorts of crazy come at them in the public arena, all sorts of things done & said.
The anger part of grief definitely needs to be counteracted with acceptance of what has happened. It needs a definite decision to let go, get what terrible thing happened onto the alter, make peace that their lives have forever been changed.
Parents are stuck in anger right now also, so of no help, even hardens the process. He's been visibly scarred by the experience & it can affect someone's health. Only God can soften & heal their hearts!
Easy to get stuck in anger & it's gonna come out somewhere. So we lash out at those closest who may really care or some other vulnerable place because we can't seem to stop the pain. But no amount of outward victory will heal the hurt; it's an illusion. The battle within each heart & mind needs to find its true source of peace. And peace is the hallmark of faith. This is the place where healing & miracles happen. Surrender!
Dave of STWD has recently convinced a relatively new youtube creator covering the Watts case to give him privileges as a modulator on her channel, The Red X Crime Files. Additionally, he has thanked this creator, TJ, for also giving one of his mods a "wrench".
After creating division between TJ and her original co-creator Dani Dan, Dani Dan is gone, and, voila, Dave has stepped in, creating a toehold on TJ's channel.
Mods have power to delete comments, block people, etc., so a creator should be very wary of giving another creator this kind of authority. Here are two comments about Dave that explain why (he did the exact same thing he's doing to TJ to UnMurdered and Just Larry when they successfully launched their youtube channels).
Butterfly Sword wrote on UnMurdered's Channel:
Btw Heather, as he came in around 8:53, I noticed that Dave called someone a troll and I thought I also saw that he told your Mods to block them (it is freezing chat when I try to pause). He also thanked someone for being good in chat as if it were his place to oversee it. Then covered by making a self-deprecating remark; this boy is good...
I would strongly advise you to tell your Mods not to take direction from other creators, although of course the given reason will be that he was simply being helpful.
There are turf wars going on under the surface and if you read up on power and control games, a tiny incursion like that is how the thin end of the wedge looks when someone wants to create a toehold on your channel. Possibly you being female makes him perceive you as a soft target? (He certainly seems quite misogynistic, much more than the normal Australian man.)
For example, as you may know from your Justice studies, prisoners who want to gain a hold over one of the guards will begin by going just a hairbreadth over one of the boundaries, asking for a light or a slightly personal question.
Having observed Dave since the beginning, I suggest you keep him firmly in his box as a guest, and make it clear to your moderators that at all times, it's your channel, your rules. Whether that is in agreement with the guests or not.
Nicole McGregor Shone wrote on Just Larry's channel (now Executive Session):
With absolute respect to you, Larry, I honestly feel that Dave shouldn't have been as overbearing in YOUR live. Not only is it distracting but he's literally speaking over you, which undermines the professionalism of your channel. Most of us are aware of your integrity, your intelligence and achievements...don't let that be diluted.
Dave, you're still a newbie too...try not to blow out anyone else's light in order to make yourself shine brighter. No meanness intended. Egos need to settle before taking over others channels.
From Officer Perez's report:
Transcript from CW's first interview, starting near the end, at 10:30 PM on August 14th, with agent Coder.
Coder: If you're going to go to your friend's house, then we might not include you very much at your house. I'm going to try to leave you alone for the night but if we can't get into the house, if we find something we got to talk to you about tonight that can't wait [crosstalk].
[Coder leaves room at 22:30. Clock ticks for about 30 seconds and the video jumps forward 26 minutes to 22:56, at which time Coder reenters the room and thanks CW for letting him use his phone and hands it back to him.]
Coder: Umm, so, we're trying to figure this out without sending you home with a bunch of questions, right. We'd like to be able to tell you that this is our plan for tomorrow. So, so far it looks like some of the things we do at your house are better at night, some are better in the morning. So we're going to probably split the difference and start very early in the morning. Between now and the very earliest, in about 3-4 hours [current time is 22:58], right. Is it possible for you to not go home during that time to your house? Can you go straight to your friend's?
Chris: I'm going straight to my friend's from here.
Coder: OK. And then when you go straight to your friend's house, is it OK to ask that you don't go back to your house?
Chris: You just call me and give me your word.
Coder: I don't want to do two searches at your house because that will say to the public "probably cause" and if you guys are really interested in him - and then it's going to be a storm coming at you that we don't want, OK. So, we'll do that. We're going to send you home, go to your friend's house, get a good night's sleep, pick up your dad at 8 or 9, yeah?
[Chris and Coder talk about when Ronnie's flight is coming in.]
Coder: We'll see you at your friend's house. Again, I can't tell you that you cannot go in your house but I'd like you to not go in your house. If you can do that then we'll start early in the morning. I'll check in with you around 8 or 9. You'll probably be on your way to the airport, and then after that can you just come straight here.
Chris is extremely submissive toward Coder (video below).
Renee Zettek wrote in response to the video above:
Against my own feelings about this hate filled woman, Cindy Watts, I gave her the benefit of the doubt after the horrific & barbaric murders of CW's beautiful wife SHANANN, his innocent, vulnerable, precious, priceless & gorgeous little girl's, BELLA & CECE, and his precious baby boy NICO.
By thinking that both families have SUFFERED through an UNIMAGINABLE, TRAGIC, HORRIFIC, SHOCKING & A TREMENDOUS LOSS of LIFE of their 3 grandchildren & SHANANN.
But, this woman, Cindy Watts, is still as hate filled as ever.
The crap she continues to spew out against SHANANN is down right cruel & unbecoming of a grandmother.
I no longer feel sorry for her. She's still filled with VENOM. I've NEVER seen anyone, Mother, grandmother, go on national TV after her grandchildren & daughter-in-law were BRUTALLY & VICIOUSLY MURDERED, TALKING SMACK ABOUT SHANANN. MY DEAR LORD, WHAT'S WRONG WITH HER?
TYPICAL, LET'S BLAME THE VICTIM AND NOT THE PERSON or PERSONS WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE "UNSPEAKABLE MURDERS," INCLUDING HER PRECIOUS SON CW.
I DON'T CARE IF CW DID THE ACTUAL MURDER'S OR IF SOMEONE ELSE DID THE MURDERING. HE'S THE ONE WHO OPENED THE DOOR TO EVIL FORCES. MAKING HIM 100% GUILTY.
THE SIMPLE FACT REMAINS, THAT IF IT WASN'T FOR HER PRECIOUS SON KEEPING HIS DAMN PECKER IN HIS DAMN PANTS, AND "NOT" BECOMING A PATHETIC LIAR & CHEATER, THOSE PRECIOUS CHILDREN WOULD BE ALIVE, ALONG WITH SHANANN, INSTEAD OF IN BATTERIES FILLED WITH CRUDE OIL & SHANANN being thrown face first into a shallow grave.
IT'S DOWN RIGHT SICKENING & MAKES HER LOOK PATHETIC.
THE ONLY THING THAT I AGREE WITH HER ABOUT IS THAT THERE WERE ACCOMPLICES.
AND, THAT VERY POWERFUL PEOPLE HAVE BEEN & STILL ARE PULLING THE STRINGS.
There's far more to this story.
Unfortunately, full justice for SHANANN, BELLA, CECE & baby NICO will most likely never be met.
Thanks to those who were responsible for another cover-up, in a long list of the MASSIVELY corrupt Weld County prosecutor's office. Crucial evidence was either never collected, tested or lost.
This includes DA ROURKE, his team, Anadarko, who was, at the time, involved in a multibillion dollar negotiation to sell. AND, SEVERAL OTHERS.
This case is about as corrupt as our deep state government.
Cindy WATTS, seriously this woman needs to learn something about compassion.
Her hatred of SHANANN is extremely sad. She can't even hide it from anyone because her words & actions are so bitter, cruel & hate filled. It's down right sickening...
Isn't speaking ill of the dead a SIN?
THIS INCLUDES NK'S DAD, DWAYNE KESSINGER...WHO WAS LITERALLY CW'S BOSS IN 2017, AT ANADARKO...THIS IS WERE NK'S DAD MET & MARRIED NK'S STEPMOM.
NK'S FATHER LEFT ANADARKO IN 2017-2018. HOWEVER, NK'S FATHER WAS INDEED CW'S BOSS AT ANADARKO, for a bit.
AFTER DWAYNE KESSINGER LEFT ANADARKO, HIS WIFE, NK'S STEPMOM, WAS CW'S BOSS UP UNTIL THESE MURDERS OCCURRED. I'm not sure if NK's stepmom is still employed by Anadarko.
LYING, DA ROURKE CLAIMED IN A PRESS CONFERENCE THAT THE DATES THAT NK GOOGLED CW & SW IN 2017, A YEAR BEFORE NK WAS EVEN HIRED, WAS SUPPOSEDLY AN "ERROR" or a "TYPO"...
TURNS OUT THAT IT WASN'T A TYPO or an ERROR. AND, THAT NK INDEED DID GOOGLE BOTH CW & SW IN 2017.
BUT, HOW WAS THIS POSSIBLE. ESPECIALLY SINCE NK WASN'T HIRED UNTIL 2018.
LET ME EXPLAIN HOW IT CAME TO BE THAT NK INDEED GOOGLED BOTH CW & SW IN 2017.
HERE'S THE CONNECTION MY FRIEND'S...
BOTH NK'S DAD & STEPMOM WERE EMPLOYED BY ANADARKO. BOTH HAD BEEN CW'S BOSS.
NK WAS ALREADY PROMISED EMPLOYMENT AT ANADARKO, AFTER SHE GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE WITH THE DEGREE SHE NEEDED.
SO, NK'S DAD DWAYNE KESSINGER & HER STEPMOM...INVITED NK TO THE ANADARKO COMPANY PICNIC HELD IN AUGUST 2017.
NK WAS PERSONALLY INTRODUCED TO BOTH SHANANN & CHRIS WATTS AT THAT ANADARKO COMPANY PICNIC IN 2017.
THIS IS THE CONNECTION, AND THE ANSWER ON HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE FOR NK TO BE GOOGLING BOTH SW & CW IN 2017, BEFORE SHE WAS HIRED AT ANADARKO IN 2018. BOOM!!!
FROM THE MOMENT SHE MET CW AT THAT ANADARKO COMPANY PICNIC, SHE WAS INTERESTED IN CW. MORE LIKE LUSTED OVER HIM.
NK IS THE WORSE KINDA WOMAN. SHE KNEW THAT HE WAS MARRIED ALREADY IN 2017 BECAUSE SHE WAS INTRODUCED TO BOTH CW & SW...
BUT, THIS HATE FILLED MOTHER, CINDY WATTS, JUST CAN'T STOP HERSELF FROM TEARING SHANANN'S REPUTATION APART, OVER & OVER AGAIN. AND, TO WHOMEVER WILL LISTEN.
Susan Forster replied:
I watched this theory on The Red X Crime channel and Seeking the Truth with Dave (they collaborate and talk to the Watts). Some of the stuff they are saying is out of this world. Latest theory is Shanann was a hit, and they are going to start digging into her terrible past which nobody will like. They have gone too far. They say they are doing it for Shananm and the girls. Yeah right. They are saying Shanann had an affair. I can’t watch Dave anymore. Making something out of nothing . Don’t disrespect her memory. Let her Rest In Peace.
magiclougie replied:
Dave is all about the numbers and money, and he's convinced Red X to team up with him so she can make money too.
brenda redmond wrote on youtube:
Here is my problem with most True Crime YouTube Creators. When you become monetized and go live every single day earning revenue from super chats when there is NO new information on the case then it is YOU who have become the predator. Financial gain at the expense of the victim is WRONG.
Nothing was ransacked at her old house in NC. A house sitting on the market for 6+ months [the real estate bubble had just begun to burst] and her staying behind while Chris went to Colorado is hardly fleeing. BTW, the listing had furniture negotiable. It was probably cheaper than hiring movers to take it across the country.
Maybe SW's office in Colorado was always messy or she was murdered before she could get things in order after being gone for 6 weeks. Maybe Chris was looking for their passports or life insurance policies. Maybe it was her messy room. The babysitter remarked to her mother that the house was the messiest she'd ever seen it and that was with Chris in charge of the house when she was in AZ.
missivysplace54 replied:
Well maybe the rumours about her old house are wrong. This case is just us all repeating the information we are fed. I will say I don't have actually proof her old house office was ransacked. Are the rumours true that her old house was broken into three or four times before she fled?
Stacylynn1979 replied:
I don't think she was fleeing anything. I believe she had a post on her FB that said someone broke in once. I don't remember details about if it was ransacked or just a glass door that was broken.
Again a house being on the market for months and her waiting to go to CO with Chris isn't exactly fleeing, just moving.
I personally try to get most of the information from the discovery and stuff I can confirm on the internet from her FB or reliable sources (not YT or blogs). A lot of stuff gets repeated as facts which aren't at all.
There was no embezzlement from Dirty South and the case is available online.
missivysplace54 replied:
I agree there was no embezzlement or money laundering, I've seen the case. I too prefer getting information from the Discovery, relistening to interviews, digital data, GEOTAB data is excellent, drone footage etc.
NotBadSinger514 replied:
When they open the closet door in her office it looks like someone had been sitting in the middle of the closet floor, going through boxes
I know I'm commenting alot..I apologize..but it has also been said that NK's father was partners with Shanann's old boss and shit went bad and her boss owed NK's dad a shit ton of money and that's where Shanann got all that money to build her home in NC; and that they've been after Shanann for years...somehow NK was part of the break in at Shanann's NC home.
I'll try to make this as short and as understandable as I can. The burglary was in NC where Shanann built and bought her 1st home with a suitcase of cash...when she worked for Dirty South (this is all according to a fellow co worker of Shanann's from Dirty South).
Dwayne (NK's father) was partners with Shanann's boss...whom Shanann got really close with. Somewhere along the line there was bad blood between Dwayne and the blood because Dwayne found out Shanann was 2nd owner of Dirty South at both locations when Dwayne's entire intention of any involvement of Dirty South was to make sure NK had a safety net for her future. But, instead, it was given to Shanann and somehow Dwayne's cut went to Shanann. Then there was the break in at Shanann's house...after threats and aggressive words were passed back and forth...there isn't any proven evidence Dwayne had anything to do with it...their guess is that he did have involvement.
Fast forward to Shannon and Chris's vacation to San Diego (1 yr before NK started at Anadarko...the day Chris added NK's number to his contact list on his phone). Chris introduced NK to Shanann as his safety advisor (or whatever her title was) the day NK Googled Shanann. I wanna say she lived in Montana at the time (she definitely wasn't living in Colorado yet... again, NK didn't start at Anadarko until 1 year later).
Till this day it is still unknown HOW Chris and NK even knew each other at this point or how they just so happened to run into each other.
It's been said NK envied Shanann because she was living the life NK was supposed to have had if she been 2nd owner of Dirty South. She was GONNA GET REVENGE. This is probably WHY when NK was walking through Shanann's home she got SO FURIOUS and ran out of the house...AND SHE MADE SURE to repeatedly tell the police how EVERYTHING in Chris and Shanann's home was SO expensive....in NK's eyes Shanann robbed NK of the extravagant life she was SUPPOSED to have...and sadly, I guess you can say, NK got her revenge.
Did you guys notice...when they 1st walked into the house, Shanann's purse WAS NOT on the kitchen counter. Nikki A went right to Shanann's office and grabbed her purse and put it on the counter...it almost makes you wonder if she KNEW something was in her purse and took something out...and NK's father was a Mason.
I feel like they should have pulled Nate's tapes further back from just then when Shanann got there at 1:48am...they should have pulled it from like back a few days or when NK admits to being there.
Yeah...to destroy the autopsies, because they KNEW the autopsies didn't match the "confession" ... it doesn't matter if he confessed to killing JFK, if the evidence DOESN'T MATCH (autopsies, etc.) they CANNOT charge him. But THEY got leaked and I think you guys already know and have seen the channel with the reenactment to Chris's 1st confession. It's ALL SHADY...The.cops...the DA...especially slam pig NK.
magiclougie wrote:
The suitcase full of cash that Shanann allegedly used as a down payment for her house in NC comes from chapter 1 of Cindy Watts unpublished book, All My Broken Pieces. Chapters 1-4 were copied and pasted onto Facebook, and leaked on Reddit.
The following is an excerpt from chapter 1 about the "suitcase" (Jamie Watts is under the alias “Sarah”).
Also, we are a family that believes in hard work and trying to do the best you can, and when we met her she was driving a Cadillac Escalade from the company she said she worked for, Dirty South, and then there was her house.Now a lot of money and big houses don’t mean anything to me personally, I don’t want to live anywhere but in our little 1100 square foot house until the day I die, but I know those things are important to a lot of people and that’s fine.Hard work, whether it's for your own personal satisfaction as well as putting a roof over your head, no matter how small or large seems to me to make people feel good about themselves, and the roof Shan’ann had put over her head with her hard work was a big one.In fact, it looked like a mansion. It was as Sarah commented to me, the biggest and grandest house she’d ever seen, then or now.It had three formal living rooms for heavens sakes and each one of them, well every room had the most beautiful furniture I’d ever seen in all of them, it sat right beside a lake and there was a boathouse too. For the people who lived in that subdivision I’m guessing that a boat wasn’t out of the question.Her bedroom was massive and beautiful, she had these little clocks and things she said she’d ordered from Switzerland.It was perfect, like a castle, and she said she had bought and paid for it from her job at Dirty South by the age of twenty-five.She told me, in fact, that when she had approached the builders and told them what she wanted they didn’t take her a bit seriously until she opened up a suitcase she had brought and pulled out twenty thousand dollars in cash. You had to be impressed with that no matter what.I saw years later that her brother Frankie said that she was always a hard worker and was making half a million a year, and to maintain that house I think you would have to be pulling that in.Like I said she was also driving a company car from Dirty South, though she had told Sarah that she was either taking a break from there or had quit, Sarah isn’t positive which, and that she was working as a nanny at the time instead. She also mentioned that she had worked at GAP previously so I don’t have any idea how she was managing it all.She didn’t come from any more wealth than Chris had, just nice ordinary people, and if she had won the lottery which I could have believed she didn’t mention it, and she would have.
As far as the medical facility, I think that was a Rehab Facility — and I think her mom worked there. There is mention that NK was treated for drugs and that is where she met Trent Bolte, Amanda McMahan, and Damien. Initially, it seemed as if Law Enforcement disregarded Trent but lately they have shown a renewed interest in Trent and Damian. Damian is in the oil and gas industry, was in the same Rehab and he’s a body builder. I know of nothing connecting Trent and Damian to the murders but a lot of folks wondered why LE is showing a renewed interest in Damian. Damian asked his Atty. And his attorney advised against talking to police. So, personally, I don’t see the Damian connection as far as the murders.
I saw a video last night that said that Tammi and the other two investigators did, indeed, go to Dodge Prison in WI to see if Chris would give them info on NK’s possible involvement. Initially, they didn’t disclose that they were specifically looking into NK. However, when her cell phone records were obtained, the pings, the texts with different people, it was clear that NK lied from the beginning to the FBI, CBI and Weld County Police.
When you look at how much time Chris spent at Cervi 319, his cell phone info shows he spent a large amount of time on the phone. Folks are saying there is no way he had the time to do all he said he did in that short amount of time. Some believe that NK set him up to get caught, especially after NA ruined her plans. She got out of Dodge, so to speak, and covered her own butt with one lie after another.
Personally, I would love to know what Chris said when he found out she threw him under the bus. He was shocked!!!! I think NK was after the money. I also saw where NK first saw ShanAnn at a Children’s Hospital Fair in July 2017, which proves she became aware of ShanAnn before she even started working at Anadarko.
There’s no doubt that NK was insanely jealous of ShanAnn and her hatred of ShanAnn was out of proportion to what would be expected of a girl she didn’t know. There was even talk that NK was hired to kill ShanAnn but there’s only speculation about who would have hated her enough to have her killed.
There has been talk of a NC connection but I haven’t seen the evidence. I think she and her former boss at Dirty South left on good terms although there had been rumors that the business was laundering money which would have brought her into proximity with dangerous people.
I am not saying that the above is true but it’s a compilation of information obtained by a group of very intelligent folks, from diverse backgrounds. And they have been researching the minutia of this case since it happened.
There is one group on You Tube who clearly state that their group is for those who believe that NK was more than a witness. Those girls are sharp! There are a lot of good ones but I have been on their site for quite a while.
Again, I am just sharing some of the things I have learned and cannot state whether or not the research is completely factual.
One last thing: these young ladies have read from Discovery and have found many discrepancies and they have found that evidence seems to have been removed. Good luck—this is addictive. We all fell in love with ShanAnn, Bella, Cece, Niko, and the Rzucecks, friends and Dieter Rzuceck, who is now being loved and cared for by Frankie Ruzeck. You might be interested in Dr. Phil’s podcast—he actually gave his opinion.
absnsbajkal replied:
The facility was a rehab and they also paid for the cabin NK and a few of her friends stayed in when they went on a trip for her birthday a week or so after she and Chris allegedly first started dating. NK is quite close with the couple (or ex couple) that run it. It’s rumoured that she has been in rehab a number of times herself, but I don’t think there’s any evidence to back this up.
There’s also a weird connection between Trent Bolte, his ex fiancé, NK and the rehab too. Iirc, Trent stayed at the same rehab for a while. It’s been a couple years since I looked at the Trent/NK connection though so I could be wrong. I’m fairly certain there is a link there though. NK’s friend Danielle (who she spent the day with Sat 11th Aug 2018) was also FB friends with Trent and they regularly interacted on their pages. I also think that Trent lived only a couple of miles away from NK at some point too. I wanna say in Wyoming, but again I’m not 100%.
debinambiocry replied:
calling a medical place/facility shortly before the murders
A rehab center paid her birthday cabin and then she called them before he left for NC.
Commercial_Finger_44 replied:
Personally, I believe Damian, Trente, and Jim are involved in human sex trafficking and NK and CW are not only in the trafficking but the murders as well. That's why CW was quick to plead guilty and NK went to police off record before making her statements. There are some very subtle clues in the discovery files that led me to investigate a little more. There were some questions that were asked in interviews that seemed like odd questions for them to ask...like they were pulled out of left field. With this theory in mind I went back and watched the TB interview and started reading transcripts of NK's police interviews. Honestly, it was hard to get my jaw off the floor. Kody's interview in the discovery files had "sex trafficking" highlighted. In Sandy's interview she recalled a time that CW was questioning a rash on Cece's privates and he put in the camera like all right up in her area... to the point where Sandy was very angry and upset about it and questioned why he would do that right at the time it happened. Trente has a history of being trafficked. NK refers to her personal cell phone as her "work" cell phone...when we know that Anadarko has also provided her with a work phone just like they did CW, but it was never taken in as evidence. I'm just beginning to take my trip down this rabbit hole. But its my theory as to why NK hasn't been prosecuted for her involvement yet.
Bette's Bush wrote:
It's a good ole boys club, a satanic club. Most likely everybody in positions of power, government and corporate, are in this club. You get the good jobs because you're part of the club. You're promised one of the coveted jobs if you become part of the club. The underlings turn a blind eye to corruption because they're afraid to go against the club and don't want to lose their cushy jobs and pensions. John Ramsey is part of this club. Chris Watts thought he was going to become a member, and maybe he would have been had the plan not blown up. NK is part of the club through her father, which is why the DA's office protected her, and why everybody else in LE has kept their mouth shuts.
Girlscoutdetective replied:
NK gives off the manipulative faux-supporting, "what you need and are missing" kind of vibes. That isn't a hard show to put on if you are told exactly what someone (CW) is missing and you can play that hand, manipulating his mindset, view and outlook on a marriage, supporting his need to move on with her...
Which begs the question...Did the video CW did on the "relationship" presentation...was that viewable on social media/Facebook/SW's postings prior to being leaked/released for us to view online?? Would NK have been able to view this video herself PRIOR to or DURING the initiation of the affair with CW? IF SO, that would have made him and SW an easy and unwitting target...think about it. That in itself is premeditation on her part, she might just as well have finagled this whole thing, using him as the fall-guy....
IF (we all suspect this to be true) NK looked up SW online/facebook after seeing/meeting her in 2017 she would have seen this video, I am sure that SW would have posted it to document how proud she was of CW's progress, etc., not ever thinking twice about it. Unfortunately, CW wouldn't have known NK looked this up if he didn't think she looked his wife up.... That and everything else on FB/SM is basically ammunition and easy-pickings FROM CW and SW's mouth without anyone ever knowing or being the wiser.... what do you think??!! I am so going to have to look this up.
It could have given NK a reverse manipulation and strategy to get all of this accomplished using his own words/scenarios of workplace affairs against him, prodding and supplying him with exactly the things he would have been looking for and missing in his current "bad" relationship with SW, rendering him unaware of what he needed, thinking it was with her...??? I hope this makes sense.
[deleted] replied:
I’m not sure if the presentation is something NK saw. I do think it was available on YouTube for the public to see. I do think that NK utilized Shannan’s Facebook page to get a read on the relationship and to strategize.
I found it particularly calculating that she discussed wanting to have Chris’ first son when she had to have known that Shannan was pregnant with his first son already. That first wasn’t his to give, nor hers to take. I speculate she brought this up in an effort to get him to reveal the pregnancy because she couldn’t come straight out and admit she’d been trolling Shannan’s Facebook page. That speaks to her manipulative tendencies IMO. To play ignorant while actually knowing the truth.
In the interviews she came off as being shocked that he wasn’t really separating but of course she knew all this because she was googling it. What Shannan was posting was directly at odds with what CW would have been telling her. There were photos of Shannan and Chris is in a loving embrace at the convention in San Diego in June. In June Shannan also posted that “Chris was the best dad these girls could ever ask for.”
So either NK would have to believe Shannan was “delusional” or that CW was clearly lying. NK had been in their home, where she says CW made them a meal of carrots and chicken, and surely she would have seen the ultrasound photo on the refrigerator and she would have seen the pregnancy reveal video online too.
I think people would have respected her more if she’d just said that she knew the truth but pursued him anyway, because she liked him so much. That she felt terrible about that. It’s not a crime to like someone who is married, albeit unethical.
She was googling wedding gowns, and “marrying the mistress”, etc. So her whole act that she wasn’t really in “that deep” isn’t really honest. I suspect that perhaps their relationship had been going on longer than she let on, OR she had been interested in him much much longer than she admitted. Purely my speculation.
Dohn Joe wrote on youtube:
It is up to you if you REALLY believe anything Watts said OR Rourke said. Both are liars. In my opinion, Rourke and his team are corrupt maggots. Watts case will have a shocking U-turn. In the last 3 years a long list of evidence admissible in a court of law has surfaced. Whistleblowers from the CBI and Weld County DA office came forward and released documents and recordings never shown to the gullible public. Sadly, the prosecution dismissed (read misinterpreted) the evidence. They wanted a swift conviction of Watts, no questions asked. A trial would had been a nightmare to them. This is why so many people are angry. Watts did more despicable actions than we are not allowed to know. Actions that would had angered everyone so much that a plea deal would not had been possible anymore. So the state covered the evidence to avoid a real trial. Watts couldn't do the murders without a catalyst. Nichol Kessinger. She is the homewrecker. The jealous woman that craved for the happiness of a marriage. The dark mastermind that almost hypnotized Watts with her sex. He was/is a weak man. If somebody will crack Watts, will use the Nichol card. The moment he will snap out of her still existing spell, he will tell everything. He had murderous thoughts for a long time. But they were just thoughts. Then he snapped and the thoughts became deeds. He just needed a trigger. From a dark place or from a dark person. I don't have proof NK was present during the murders but she was AROUND. To see the proof that Watts killed for her. I think Watts showed her the 3 dead bodies on his way to Cervi 319. NK became the snitch about Chris the moment she saw the Police came too soon at his house. She realized that their plan to cover the tracks of the murders will fail for lack of time. Everything that she had done from that day on was to save her skin as an accomplice to a family annihilation. Watts is a moron without experience of life. The omega dog. He got the balls to murder only because NK pushed him, pressured him, gave him ultimatums. I did my own investigation and gathered facts for the last 6 months or so with help from other people equally interested to bring justice for the victims and to put into jail all conspirators. I have forensic tools and skills to restore and enhance audio and video footage (Nate's CCTV video), I have software to analyze the logs of the phones and home router. I have built a comprehensive timeline of the murders, hour by hour, minute by minute, second by second. I am in the process of finalizing a folder with scientific evidence I found so far. I added proof of mistakes found in the discovery document issued by the CBI. I could do more if the CBI will send me the rest of their data. I will submit the folder to the FBI and the USA Supreme Court. e knew that if he goes to trial, many details about him, Shanann, the girls, his parents, her parents, Nichol Kessinger & Co will surface to the light. So for now he is silent.
