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The formation of John's new company brought many changes in his and his wife's Patsy's life. In 1991, after two years of commuting between Atlanta and Boulder, John moved his family to Boulder, the new headquarters of Access Graphics.
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On December 6th, JonBenét was in the local Christmas parade where she sung the song "The Good Ship Lollipop." Her name was on the side of the float she was riding on. Burke was also in the parade.
On December 13th, there was a church party at the Ramseys' home that was attended by more than 150 friends from church.
On December 17th, a competition took place at the Southwest Plaza in Denver, and JonBenét was crowned "Little Miss Christmas."
On December 20th, the Access Graphics luncheon was held to celebrate reaching $1 billion in sales. JonBenét appeared in "Rock Around The Clock" performance at High Peaks Elementary School.
On December 21st, an article was published in the Boulder Daily Camera about Access Graphics reaching $1 billion.
On December 22nd, JonBenét performed "Rockin Around the Christmas Tree" and modeled a few outfits. This was JonBenét's last pageant. The Ramseys also sent out their Christmas letter.
On December 23rd, the Ramseys hosted a Christmas party at their home (images above and below). This was the "Children's Party" from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m.
Preparations had been underway all day for the third Christmas party hosted by the Ramseys in one month.
Linda Pugh arrived at 9 a.m. to help prepare for the party. Her 12-year-old daughter, Ariana, was involved too, helping with
flower arrangements. Santa was scheduled to appear, hand out gifts, and
read a note about each guest. The notes, written by Patsy, were personal
in nature.
There were Christmas trees decorated in
almost every room, decorations were everywhere, and the mood was
festive. Former journalism professor, Bill McReynolds, played Santa Claus.
This was also the evening of the allegedly "mistaken" 911 call made from the Ramseys' home at 6:47 p.m., which was answered by police dispatcher Therese Hilleary. The caller hung up without saying a word, so the police called back only to get the Ramseys' answering machine. An officer went to the home and left around shortly after 7 p.m. after he was assured that everything was fine.
About 30 friends attended. The following is the guest list (not official):
* John and Patsy Ramsey, Burke (9), JonBenét (6)
* Don Paugh
* Fleet and Priscilla White, daughter (5-6), son (7-8)
* Mr. and Mrs. R.A. Brown (Priscilla's parents)
* Cliff Gaston, boyfriend of Priscilla's sister, Allison Shoeny (attended alone, without his
girlfriend); visiting the Whites from California
* Bill Cox, husband of Priscilla's niece Heather (attended alone, without his wife); visiting the Whites - from California
* John and Barbara Fernie, son (10), daughter (14-15?)
* Friend of the Fernies - male (about 9)
* Glen and Susan Stine, son (9)
* Susan Stine's mother
* Glen Stine's mother
* Larry and Pinkie Barber, two daughters (6 and 8)
* Joe and Betty Barnhill (neighbor)
* The Barnhills' boarder, Glenn Meyer, was not invited. He went to the house to tell the Barnhills something about the dog barking and was invited to join the party. He did for a short time.
* Linda Hoffman-Pugh, her daughter, Ariana (12)
* Bill (Santa) and Janet McReynolds
On December 24th, Christmas Eve, an article was published in the Boulder Daily Camera about the Ramseys' Christmas parties.
JonBenet
played at her friend Megan Kostanick's house and told Megan's mother
that Santa was going to pay her a secret visit after Christmas.
The family ate at Pasta Jay's and, either before or after, attended the service at the St. John's Episcopal Church.
At 9 p.m. John retrieved JonBenet's silver Christmas bike from neighbor Joe Barnhill's garage and placed it under the Christmas tree.
On December 26th, the official story is that the Ramseys went to Fleet White's home at 5:00 p.m. for Christmas dinner. They left the Whites and got home around 10:00 p.m. JonBenet fell asleep on the car ride home, and John carried her asleep to her room when they got home. The parents
account is that they carried her, sleeping, straight into bed, changing
only her black velvet trousers to the white Long Johns. The Ramseys would be flying to Michigan early the next morning.
On December 25th or early in the morning of December 26th, John
and Patsy Ramsey's six-year-old daughter JonBenet Ramsey was murdered.
The cause of death was asphyxia by strangulation and craniocerebral
trauma (a blow to the head).
JonBenet was alive but unconscious for an hour, possibly an hour-and-a-half, before she was strangled.
A time of death was not determined for JonBenet.
She had undigested pineapple in her small intestines, which John and
Patsy deny feeding her before she went to bed around 10:00 p.m. on
December 25th (she allegedly went to bed upon arriving home after attending a dinner party with her family at Fleet White's home).
We
know that there was a broken window in the cellar. We know that the
butler door was left wide/midway open, presumably left open all night.
We know that it was December, and there was snow on the ground outside,
so the temperature must have been low. Snow in December in the middle
of the night with open windows and doors would keep the basement very
cool. Is it possible that she was placed down there for specifically
that reason?
Excerpts from National Enquirer book, "JonBenet, The Police Files" by Don Gentile and David Wright:
1997 April 30 - Taped Interrogation Interview of Patsy Ramsey by Steve Thomas and Tom Trujillo in Colorado
Page 45:
Tom Trujillo: "Okay, what did, what did you do at the Whites' house that night? [December 25th]"
Patsy Ramsey: "We, um, had dinner. I called Fleet's mother, Fleet called his mother and I talked to her. She was ill. She was usually there, because Christmas is her big, she likes Christmas."
Tom Trujillo: "Okay. Where does she live at?"
Patsy Ramsey: "California, but they had a residence in Aspen... and she was in Aspen."
Tom Trujillo: "Okay. So give me kind of a step-by-step, get to the Whites, 5:30, 6:00, 6:30, whatever, what time did you have dinner that night? What did you do before dinner, after dinner?"
Patsy Ramsey: "Well, we had, um, I think we had cocktails, kind of, she had some cracked crab... and we sampled some of that and I remember she kind of, for some reason, made a little plate for JonBenet or I remember her making a special plate for JonBenet for some reason so she would have some crab... 'cause my kids like seafood and, uh, we nibbled on that and, I uh, we had dinner and I can't remember what we had."
Tom Trujillo: "Was it like a buffet, sit down, what kind of dinner was it?"
Patsy Ramsey: "I just, I just, I don't know. I can't remember."
Tom Trujillo: "Was it formal plates around the table type...?"
Patsy Ramsey: "Well, we had, she usually puts up several tables in her living room. She had several tables in her living room, in her dining room... there were a lot of us there and, uh, we sat at the table, you know, she had a place for everybody... and, uh, she had little gifts for the kids. They had these little paper jewelry things that JonBenet and Daphne got and, um. Fleet and John were down on the floor helping them make them."
Tom Trujillo: "Okay. About how long did you stay at the Whites' house?
Patsy Ramsey: "Oh, several hours, you know, I, something like 9:00 or so, eight."
Tom Trujillo: "Okay"
Patsy Ramsey: "Eight or nine. We had to get up early so we didn't.. stay really late."
Tom Trujillo: "Okay. So, other than dinner with the little gifts, any other social activities to on that night, caroling or just socializing? What else happened?"
Patsy Ramsey: "Um, I think some carolers came. Some neighbors came to the door caroling and Fleet, big Fleet and little Fleet, I think went out with them for a little bit. Um, maybe Daphne went with them."
Tom Trujillo: "JonBenet and Burke go out with them to carol?"
Patsy Ramsey: "I just can't remember."
Page 47:
Tom Trujillo: "Okay. Got home about 8:30, 9:00. What's the first thing you guys do when you got home that night? Actually, let me step back. Befofe you got home, you went over to..."
Patsy Ramsey: "Walkers and dropped off a little gift... and Stines and dropped off a little gift and drove home and JonBenet was asleep. She had fallen asleep in the car."
Tom Trujillo: "Did you have to wake her up to get her inside or..?"
Patsy Ramsey: "Well, she was just really zonked and John carried her up to her room... and, I, uh, you know, ran up behind him and, or in front of him, I can't remember. Maybe, or it might have been in front of him to turn the bed down. And he laid her down and I got her undressed and put her, I left her shirt on her and, uh, went to the bathroom and tried to find some pajama pants and all I could find was some, like long underwear pants... and put those on."
Tom Trujillo: "What color of top did she wear to bed that night. What color top was she wearing actually to the Whites' house like?"
Patsy Ramsey: "Well, she wore this little outfit that I had gotten her at the Gap. We had a little, little riff over that 'cause I wanted her to wear, I was wearing a red sweater and I wanted her to wear this red sweater with her black velvet pants, 'cause I was wearing black velvet pants and it was Christmas and all that. And she didn't want to wear the red shirt just because I was wearing it. She wanted to wear the shirt that went with the outfit which was a Gap out fit that I had bought her when we went shopping for her and it was a little white, kind of neck like this..."
Tom Trujillo: "Kind of a crew neck?"
Patsy Ramsey: "...Crew neck and it had a little, little rhinestone, little kind of sequin kind of star thing on it."
Tom Trujillo: "Okay."
Patsy Ramsey: "So I just left that on her."
Tom Trujillo: "Okay. And I'm sorry. What kind of pants, what color of pants...?"
Patsy Ramsey: "They were black velvet. Black velvet jeans, kind of like, from the Gap. Some little black velvet vest."
Tom Trujillo: "And what were you wearing Patsy, a, a red turtleneck and black...?"
Patsy Ramsey: "Velvet jeans, yeah."
Tom Trujillo: "Okay."
Patsy Ramsey: "Velvet pants. And I have a Christmas sweater I was wearing."
Tom Trujillo: "And what color was that?"
Patsy Ramsey: "Red with all kinds of..."
Tom Trujillo: "And that was over the turtleneck?"
Patsy Ramsey: "Yeah."
Tom Trujillo: "..When you say you wore black velvet jeans, were those like a, a, were they a jean material..?"
Patsy Ramsey: "No, they're, no, no, no. They're black velvet."
http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-christmasday.htm
A neighbor, Melody Stanton, heard a child scream between what she thinks was midnight and 2 a.m. on December 26th. If this was JonBenet, this would be the time her skull was fractured by blunt force. She died about an hour or an hour-and-a-half later by strangulation.
So, time of death was 1 a.m to 3 a.m. on December 26th if the scream was JonBenet's.
Could
she have been killed earlier? It could have been earlier, on December
25th, if the scream heard by the neighbor is unrelated to the case or if
the neighbor is mistaken. JonBenet's tombstone shows her date of death as December 25, 1996.
The
only known witnesses to JonBenet being alive after opening presents on
Christmas morning are her parents (Burke would not be a reliable
witness) and the Whites (whom Burke spent the day with after JonBenet's body was discovered).
There allegedly is a photo taken of Patsy with JonBenet at the Whites' home on the evening of December 25th. When
officers arrived the next day, on December 26th, Patsy was wearing the
same clothes she allegedly had been wearing at the Whites' home for
dinner the evening before, but this has not been proven by photographic evidence released to the public.
JonBenet's body was in full rigor when John found her in the basement at 1 p.m. on December 26th.
It’s
clear JonBenet received a massive blow to the upper right of her head
from contact with a blunt object, approximately an hour or more before
death. This is supported by the contusion (bruise, not a laceration
or cut) to her scalp, the linear fractures to her skull, and the
subdural (underlying) hemorrhaging (bleeding) in her brain. This cannot occur after death, and
the known pathology established a considerable time period elapsed
between when the blow was administered and when the cardiovascular
system stopped functioning.
The
pathologist opined that JonBenet was alive but unconscious for an hour,
possibly an hour-and-a-half, before she was strangled. It’s also clear that ligature asphyxia (strangling with the cord) was her death’s triggering mechanism, and this is corroborated by the presence of petechial hemorrhages (tiny bloodspots) in her eyes and on her face.
The
presence of various abrasions and contusions are evident of physical
violence being inflicted on JonBenet prior to death, as is the violation
of her vaginal area. Her cheek abrasion is consistent
with a slap to the face, her shoulder and legs marks are consistent with
her still-alive body being roughly handled as if dragged, but caution must be taken in interpreting her vaginal injury as being consistent with sexual assault.
There was no presence of semen; however, some blood spotting was noted in her underwear. Later forensic examination would identify a foreign pubic hair on her blanket and an unknown DNA sample on her underwear that was consistent with a male contributor. [Source]
In a little room in the basement, lacking a window, John Ramsey discovered the lifeless body of JonBenet. She lay face up with her arms extended above her head. She
was dressed in a white knit top and white long underwear over an
“oversized” pair of floral-print panties rather than size 6 Wednesday
undies. A pink nightgown was in the white blanket that she was neatly tucked into. Ramsey
ripped off duct tape covering her mouth, picked up the stiffened little
body, and—carrying it upstairs—placed it on the floor close to the
front door.
The following day, when the coroner began to autopsy the 45-pound corpse, he
saw a loop of white cord loosely around the right wrist and a loop on
the opposite end as if it had previously secured the left wrist as well.
A length of similar white cord was wrapped tightly about the neck, and a piece of broken artist’s paint brush was in place where it had been used as a twisting handle for the garrote. (It was later found to have come from a brush belonging to Patsy Ramsey and to match a piece of the brush’s bristle end, although the bottom third was never discovered. Slivers
from the broken paint brush were found on the floor of the room where
the body was found, indicating it was the site of the garroting.
The upper right side of JonBenet’s skull had been caved in by a severe blow, leaving a rectangular imprint. Among other findings were a heart drawn with red ink on the left palm, an empty stomach (but the upper digestive tract contained bits of pineapple), and, at the hymeneal opening, an abrasion. Petechial (pinpoint) hemorrhaging in the eyelids indicated her heart was still pumping at the time the choking occurred.
A sexual element seems established by the autopsy. Although
JonBenet had not been raped per se, the evidence—some non-extensive
abrasion and damage to the hymen—indicated sexual molestation by a
slender object such as a finger. Some “birefringent foreign
material” in the vagina led to speculation that it came from a shard (of
varnish perhaps) from the broken paint brush (from which a piece was
used for the garrote, the end section having gone missing).
The perpetrator may have passed out himself and then—finding JonBenet unresponsive—became alarmed. He
may have first tried to revive her by shaking her (there was evidence
of this from bruises to the brain’s temporal lobes) and then by poking
her (with, say, the toy train track). Finally, in despair and rage, he could have hit her with the flashlight.
The
piercing scream heard by a neighbor—between midnight and 2 a.m. on
December 26—was probably not from a child, as the neighbor thought, but
Patsy Ramsey, who was given to such outbursts, when she first saw her
little girl dead. [Source]
The severe blow to JonBenet's head alone would have caused her death eventually; however, about an hour or so after being struck with an blunt force object, she was strangled to death using an autoerotic asphyxiation device tied around her neck.
Someone within the Ramseys' inner circle killed JonBenét, and JonBenét may have died close to 24 hours before the Ramseys called 911, and the Ramseys helped cover up the crime.
If the Ramseys opened their gifts during the morning on Christmas Day and then visited the Whites later that day, then JonBenét died later on Christmas Day or in the early morning hours of December 26th.
Don’t forget, Patsy was already dressed, make up on and hair done, when the first officer arrived at the home in the afternoon of December 26th, and she allegedly was wearing the same clothes she had been wearing the previous night.
HYPOTHESIS FROM REDDIT
JonBenét died in a white Gap shirt, oversized underwear, and boy's Long Johns.
The black velvet pants she had worn that day, on December 25th, were on her bedroom floor, along with her shoes. The black velvet vest was lying crumpled on the other bed in her room. The pink pajama top she wore when opening presents on Christmas morning was found on her bed, near where her pillow should have been located. This would indicate that the day she was photographed opening presents around the Christmas tree was also the day she removed her pink pajamas and changed into the white Gap shirt, black vest, and black velvet pants.
The pink pajama bottoms should really have been in the same location as the pink pajama top, i.e. lying at the top of JonBenet's bed?
The pink pajama bottoms are still missing in action, presumably they have gone the same route as the size-6 Bloomingdale underwear?
In the photograph where Burke and JonBenet are opening their Christmas gifts, JonBenet is wearing her pink pajama set.
I reckon JonBenet was changed from the pink pajama set to the Barbie nightgown, and this might explain the bloodstains?
The basement is where the staging took place: nobody from a wealthy family needs to be hanging about in a cold, drafty, damp basement, bang in the middle of winter.
Speculating: Was Patsy drugged deliberately Christmas Night, hence she just falls asleep wearing her makeup and clothes?
Patsy dressed as she was is another inconsistency in a "Patsy did it scenario," as all she had to do was wash her face and toss a nightgown on, job done!
I don't think she was drugged but she definitely slept for a while at some point (early) that night:
"A few weeks later, before the dinner was arranged, the Phillipses' daughter, Lindsey, said that she wanted to play with Burke, so Judith drover her over to the Stines' house [...] Lindsey went off to play with Burke and some other children, and Patsy greeted Judith, who could now see that despite her attempt to look composed. Patsy was in fact distraught under the thinnest veneer of normalcy. Judith thought she might be heavily medicated. Soon Patsy was crying on Judith's shoulder. "If only I had woken up. If only I woke up," Patsy repeated. "Why didn't I wake up?" (Schiller, PMPT, p. 241)
I believe Patsy woke up and walked into something that f***** her up completely. It doesn't explain what happened to JBR and who did what but this indicates that Patsy didn't do it. I think Patsy woke up after an hour or two and walked into a dead or almost dead JBR. It also indicates that both parents were asleep (John from pills, Patsy from alcohol or whatever after both kids were sent to bed) during the abuse and murder, and they only found out when it was already too late to call an ambulance.
The Ramsays says that JonBenet wore the Gap outfit to the Whites' home for dinner on Christmas Day.
On December 25th, after John carried JonBenet to bed, Patsy removed JonBenet's vest and black velvet pants, but not her white Gap shirt nor the animal print scrunchie in her hair (photos below).
Per the autopsy, "the long blonde hair was fixed in two ponytails, one on top of the head secured by a cloth hair tie and blue elastic band, and one in the lower back of the head secured by a blue elastic band," which doesn't match her hair in the photo below. Patsy said that JonBenet would sleep with a single ponytail and a rubber band at the back of her head.
In April 2019, 23 years after the unsolved murder of his daughter, for the first time ever, this photo (above) of JonBenet Ramsey, "the last photo before her death," was publicly released, presumably by John Ramsey himself. [Source]
1998 Patsy Interview Excerpt:
TRIP DEMUTH: Patsy, why the long underwear?
PATSY
RAMSEY: Well, I remember I was digging around for something. I was
trying to find the pink ones she wore the night before. I couldn't put
my hand on them right quick. And so I went to these drawers looking for
the pajamas, and she was just laying there, so I didn't want to raise
her up and get everything off of her to put a long nightgown, so looking
for pajamas bottoms to put on her. I couldn't find any, and the long
underwear pants were in there drawer, so I got those.
A police report on December 26 noted there were a number of open windows – including a broken basement window – and at least one open door at the home. Or
was this broken window staged? An intruder would not have needed to
force entry to break in. JonBenet’s bedroom was on the floor below her
parents' bedroom, with a walkway of thick carpeting that allowed for a
soundless approach by an assailant.
When D.A. Alex Hunter called for a grand jury to assess the evidence in 1998, two years after JonBenét was killed, they listened to Lou Smit’s intruder theory. But, like police, the jury didn’t believe someone could’ve entered the window with the cobwebs remaining intact. Jonathan Webb, one of the grand jurors, told “20/20” that Smit’s intruder theory didn’t make sense. For someone to get through a small window like that and not disturb the cobwebs “would be remarkable,” he said. The grand jury ended up accusing both John and Patsy Ramsey of “unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly and feloniously permitting a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child’s life or health” as well as “rendering assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay or prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, convictions and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime.” [Source]
The Official Story for Christmas Day 1996
On December 25th, Christmas Day, around 6 a.m., the Ramsey family went down stairs and opened presents, which took about an hour. JonBenet gave her dad a gumball machine that dispensed jelly beans. Her grandmother gave JonBenet a real gold ring, her aunt Pam gave her a cross with gold chains, and her aunt Polly gave her a jewelry making kit. Burke got a Nintendo 64 and a remote controlled car. Patsy received a new bike and a green paper ornament.
The Ramsey family then had pancakes for breakfast. The kids were playing with their toys while Patsy and John were preparing for the family to go to a second home in Michigan for vacation the day after Christmas, December 26th.
A bunch of kids started to show up and wanted to know what everyone got for Christmas. Burke was up in his room playing video games.
About noon, John went to the hanger to check on the plane and returned around two hours later.
Santa Claus brought JonBenet a brand new bicycle. She and her father tried it out that afternoon before the family went to dinner at a Fleet White's home, a close friend. John took a photo of JonBenet outside on her bike.
5:30 a.m.
John gets up first, takes a shower and gets dressed.
Patsy puts on the same outfit she had the night before and reapplies her makeup.
Patsy then stops off at the second floor to wash JonBenet's jumpsuit. Patsy then goes to the kitchen to make coffee. This is when she says she found a two-page note on the back spiral staircase stating that JonBenét had been kidnapped. The note was addressed to "Mr. Ramsey" and claimed to be from “a small foreign faction” demanding a ransom of $118,000 in cash (the amount of John's bonus).
While this was happening, John was shaving.
Patsy screams and heads to JonBenet's room. Hearing the screams, John meets Patsy on the stairs. Patsy went up to JonBenet's room to find it empty. Together John and Patsy check on Burke, who appeared to be asleep in his room.
5:45 a.m.
Shortly after finding the note, Patsy calls family friends Fleet and Priscilla White and John and Barbara Fernie from her bedroom while John goes down stairs to look at the ransom note. The Ramseys allegedly were at the home of Fleet White Jr. and Priscilla White for Christmas dinner on December 25th.
Ramsey and White, a retired oil executive, were best friends. The
White's six-year-old daughter was JonBenet's best friend. Both families were prominent in Boulder.
Steve Thomas, a key Boulder city detective in the case, theorized that Patsy did not have time to change the clothes she wore to
the Whites' Christmas Day party. To Thomas, Patsy's not changing her
clothes was the smoking gun. He believed she was wearing the same clothes
because a picture allegedly taken at the Whites' dinner party on Christmas night
showed her wearing a red turtleneck sweater and black pants, and a Boulder
police officer had noted in his report that when he arrived at the
Ramsey home on December 26, in response to the kidnapping emergency, that
Patsy was wearing a red turtleneck and black pants.
Patsy said that JonBenet wore a black vest over a white Gap top with a star on it and black velvet pants to the home of Fleet White on December 26th. However, a photo in evidence suggests that JonBenet also was wearing a red sweater rather than the white Gap top, black vest, and black velvet pants. And, Steve Thomas believes JonBenet was wearing a red sweater rather than the black outfit from the Gap on Christmas Day.
JonBenet’s parents told investigators that she was wearing a red turtleneck pajama top when they put her to bed. She was found in a white one: a red turtleneck was in her bathroom sink.
04-18-2000 Steve Thomas, "JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation"
Page 23:
"Officers reconstructed some of the timeline of the previous night from the parents' recollections. John Ramsey said the family returned home from the party about ten o'clock, and he read to both children before they went to sleep. He confirmed to Arndt that he had read to JonBenet after tucking her in. He would later deny these statements as well. The parents said that everyone was in bed by ten-thirty because they had to be up early for the flight to Michigan, where they had planned to spend a belated Christmas at their vacation home with Ramsey's older children, then go to Florida for a cruise on Disney's Big Red Boat. Patsy said JonBenet went to sleep wearing long white underwear and a red turtleneck top."
TT: What color of top did she wear to bed that night? What color top was she wearing actually to the White’s house like?
PR: Well she wore this little outfit that I had gotten her at the Gap. We had a little, little riff over that, cause I wanted her to wear, I was wearing a red sweater and I wanted her to wear this red sweater with her black velvet pant, cause I was wearing black velvet paths [sic] and it was Christmas and all that.
TT: Um hum.
PR: And she didn’t want to wear the red shirt just because I was wearing it. She wanted to wear the shirt that went with the outfit which was a Gap outfit that I had bought her when we went shopping for her and it was a little white, kind of neck like this, kind of a . . .
TT: Kind of a crew neck?
PR: . . .crew neck and it had a little, little rhinestone, little kind of sequin kind of star thing on it.
TT: Okay.
PR: So I just left that on her.
TT: Okay. And I’m sorry. What kind of pants, what color of pants. . .
PR: They were black velvet. Black velvet jeans, kind of like, from the Gap. Some little black velvet vest.
There is conflicting evidence on the outfit Patsy was wearing on December 25th at the Whites' home. Barry Levin stated that "based on the state-of-the-art scientific testing, we believe the fibers from Patsy Ramsey's jacket were found in the paint tray, were found tied into the ligature on JonBenet's neck, were found on the blanket that she is wrapped in, and were found on the duct tape over her mouth." [Source]
Photographs from the Christmas party at the Whites' showed that the red sweater Patsy was wearing the morning of December 26th was also the same sweater she had worn to the dinner party. [Source] Patsy Ramsey stated that JonBenet had gone to bed wearing a red turtleneck. And Patsy had stated that she wanted them to dress like twins, with JonBenet wearing a red turtleneck to match Patsy's red sweater. There is a photo in evidence of the two of them wearing red sweaters, per "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town" miniseries. Patsy and JonBenet were wearing red sweaters on the day she was killed, not the black Gap outfit with the white top? But, she was found in the white top with the star on it. Was this because Patsy removed the turtleneck (it was found on the bathroom sink) and put her in the top from the day before and Long Johns because they were the most convenient to find? But, she had the animal print scrunchie in her hair that she wore with the Gap outfit! And, in 2019, they released a photo saying this was the last photo taken of her, and she was in the Gap outfit with the scrunchie! So it makes sense she was wearing the black outfit on the day she died, but where was that photo taken? Are they trying to confuse the timeline?
There is a photo in evidence of Patsy wearing a red and black jacket, but this photo is from the Ramsays' Christmas party on December 23rd, not December 25th at the Whites' home (see video below).
Patsy's 1997 Responses:
This is from Patsy’s first police interview, which occurred in April 1997 (four months after the crime):
Police Officer Tom Trujillo: what were you wearing, Patsy [to the Whites' party]? A, a red turtleneck and black. . .
Patsy: Velvet jeans, yeah.
Trujillo: Okay.
Patsy: Velvet pants. And I have a Christmas sweater I was wearing.
Trujillo: And what color was that?
Patsy: Red with all kinds of . . .
Trujillo: And that was over the turtleneck.
Patsy: Yeah.
Officer Trujillo didn't let Patsy finish her sentence "red with all kinds of ..." . But the following year she described what had been going through her mind and said she was thinking of "my Christmas sweater [...] the little bobbly [bauble-y?] one". So it's fair to assume she was going to say, "Red with all kinds of [bobbles]", or something like that.
Obviously, the item of clothing she described to police in 1997 was not the jacket. A "Christmas sweater" is not a jacket. It was a completely different item of clothing.
Fleet White allegedly took photos on Christmas night, and these photos showed Patsy Ramsey wearing her red/gray/black checked jacket. But, these pictures are from December 23rd, not December 25th.
In 1998, police sent those photographs to the Ramseys and formally requested the clothing depicted in that photograph. Patsy provided the jacket.
She was asked about this little mix-up in her 1998 interview, and claimed she had simply made an error in her earlier interview:
Patsy: Until I saw this picture, I had thought that I had worn my Christmas sweater to their house, the little bobbly one. And then I saw this picture and I said oh, I must have worn that sweater to their house. Notice that she keeps calling it a sweater that she wore to the Whites' home.
John and Patsy Ramsey's 1998 Responses:
In the 1998 interviews, John and Patsy Ramsey went in hard against the White family. John Ramsey tried to connect Fleet White’s mannerisms to the ransom note, and tried to convince investigators Fleet White “knew a lot about” cords, and “had some special tapes […] possibly black duct tape.” He also claimed "Priscilla was very jealous of Patsy" and had a "hatred of wealth". Patsy, meanwhile, said the Whites “acted differently than any of our other friends”, which made them suspicious.
Patsy again was asked about the jacket.
PATSY RAMSEY: The reason I'm looking so hard at this is because Priscilla had a jacket like this. [...] I thought, well, maybe I had her jacket. I mean, you know, I don't know. I was just trying to figure out, this was certainly the one I sent, I sent mine out there [to the Boulder Police], but I just want to make sure that...
PROSECUTOR TRIP DeMUTH: That you were wearing yours on Christmas and not hers?
PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I mean, I could have been in her house in the living room, you know what I mean, and been cold and she said, "Here, put this on." I just can't remember. My point is that we both had jackets similar to that.
TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.
PATSY RAMSEY: So I don't know.
TRIP DeMUTH: And did you buy them at the same time and place?
PATSY RAMSEY: No, I mean, I don't know, I don't know when she got me that. I really don't remember. FYI, I mean.
5:52 a.m.
Patsy finally calls the police, detailing the supposed kidnapping and the demands on the ransom note.
Some people, including the the 911 operator that took the call, Kim Archuleta, think that Patsy forgot to hang up when she thought she had and the fuzzy audio and the end of recording was Patsy having a conversation with two additional people in her home.
Kim has stated that she felt like the call was rehearsed. She believes that Patsy thought she hung up the phone, but didn't and that Patsy's tone changed from panicked to calm and collected.
After JonBenet was found murdered, Kim was told not to talk about this with anyone until they went to court. Kim was never asked by the Grand Jury or anyone, for that matter, to give a statement or an opinion.
The 911 call has been examined by many people and organizations, all with differing opinions. Even though the FBI and the secret service did an analysis, coming to the conclusion that no further conversation is audible, it is a highly debated subject.
Some audio engineers and investigators think that this is what is at the end of the call:
John: "We are not speaking to you."
Patsy: "What did you do? Help me Jesus."
Another male voice: "What did you find?"
Was that really what was at the end of the 911 call? Was Burke really asleep and there was another male in the house? Was this male John Andrew Ramsey, John's son from his first marriage?
5:59 a.m.
Officer French arrives on the scene. When Patsy greeted the officer, she allegedly was wearing the same clothes that she had wore the night before.
Reportedly, within 35 minutes of discovering JonBenet's body, John Ramsey was on the phone with his private pilot, making arrangements to fly his family to Atlanta.
6-8 a.m.
Four more officers arrive at the Ramsey residence: policemen Veitch, Weiss, and Barcklow, and their supervisor, Reichenbach.
JonBenét’s parents have friends come to help search the home, including the aforementioned Whites, Fernies, and Reverend Hoverstock.
Victim advocates and crime scene investigators are also present in the house.
A cursory search of the house is conducted and they did not find any forced entry. Officer French went to the basement and came to a wooden door that was secured by a wooden latch. He paused for a moment in front of the door, then walked away without opening it.
According to statements Patsy gave to authorities that day, she realized that JonBenet was missing after she found a two-and-a-half page note on the kitchen staircase. The note demanded $118,000 for her safe return. No fingerprints were found on the note. The note and a practice draft were written with a pen and paper from the Ramseys' home, which belonged to Patsy. The pen that was used to write the ransom note was neatly put back in its place by the phone.
Supposedly, the ransom note's time element indicates that it was composed around midnight. Take the line, "I advise you to be rested," from the ransom note: according to experts, a kidnapper would not normally give such advice to his victims. Why would the kidnappers tell the victims to get rest when they were already supposedly sleeping? And why would the kidnappers care?
The note never referred to JonBenet by name. Was it too emotionally difficult for the authors of the note to write JonBenet's name?
Investigators surmised that it would have taken 21 minutes just to write the note, plus time to compose and to write the draft version.
The amount of money asked for in the ransom note was kind of small when you consider that John was a CEO for a billion dollar company. The amount of money asked for was the same as the bonus that John received from work.
The note is the longest ransom note in history.
Detectives found handwriting samples in the Ramsey home from Patsy that were similar to the style on the ransom note.
The note's immediate misspellings and grammatical errors made it seem like the kidnapper was uneducated. Later in the note, the author then slid into a more natural use of terms that showed a better education.
Detectives believe that the note was written by a woman and dictated by someone else. It couldn't be proven that Patsy did or did not write the note.
John made arrangements to pay the ransom.
A forensics team was dispatched to the house.
JonBenet's bedroom was the only room in the house that was cordoned off to prevent contamination of evidence. No process was taken to prevent contamination of evidence in the rest of the house. The authorities had no concrete idea how the perpetrators got in and out of the house, and there could have been evidence pretty much anywhere.
Meanwhile, friends and the family minister arrived at the home. Victim advocates also arrived at the scene. Visitors picked up and cleaned surfaces in the kitchen, destroying any possible evidence.
8 a.m.
Boulder detective Linda Ardnt arrived with the goal of awaiting the kidnapper's instructions, but there was never any attempt to claim the money.
10:30 a.m.
Arndt called for backup at least twice while left in the house alone with the Ramsey family and friends (seven in total). She was told that all officers are in a Boulder Police Department meeting and that they received her message. No one was sent because they were short-staffed.
John had gone missing for at least an hour. Some say he left the house to supposedly "pick up the mail." Later it was determined that this could not be true, given the family's mail was delivered through a slot in the front door.
Whatever happened, he allegedly was unaccounted for for 90 minutes.
Mid-morning
Sometime before 1 p.m., Fleet White allegedly was in the windowless wine cellar looking around. He told police he never turned on the light and he never saw anything.
1 p.m.
Ardnt asked John and family friend, Fleet White, to search the house TOP TO BOTTOM to see if "anything seemed a miss." John and White started the search in the basement. John opened the latched door, the one that investigators failed to open earlier, and found JonBenet's body. Her mouth was covered with duct tape, a nylon cord was found around her wrists and neck, and her torso was covered by a white blanket. John immediately picked up JonBenet's body and ripped the duct tape off her mouth. He then carried her up the stairs to the living room. He set her on the living room floor next to the Christmas tree.
Some accounts say that John placed another blanket on JonBenet before he carried her up the stairs, and some say after. Either way, the evidence on the body was now contaminated.
The sticky side of the duct tape had a perfect imprint of JonBenet's lips, but no indication of a protruding tongue or any effort to dislodge the tape. This suggest that the duct tape was used as a prop in staging a scene, like it was placed after death. And the cord was tied far too loosely to restrain a living or conscious child.
The route to the wine cellar would be very difficult to navigate by a stranger, especially at night, and especially while carrying a child.
The staircase light switch was not in an expected location on the wall, but behind someone entering the stairs, so they probably would have done all this in the dark.
1:30 p.m.
John Andrew, Melinda and Stewart Long arrived at the Ramsey house in Boulder at 1 pm.
Boulder policemen Ron Walker and Larry Mason arrived and searched the basement and wine cellar for further clues in JonBenet's death. They also finally secured the home, preventing any further arrivals.
1:40 p.m.
1:45 p.m.
Heeding the officer's warning, the Ramseys left their house with plans to stay the night at the Fernies' home (not the Whites' home).
2:30 p.m.
John and Patsy participated in a preliminary interview for more than two hours, and Burke was also interviewed within the first couple of weeks.
A footprint, made in concrete dust, from a High Tech brand boot, was found 12 inches in front of JonBenet's body.
A baseball bat was found on ground, on the north side, by the butler's kitchen door.
The stick used in the ligature strangulation came from one of Patsy's paint brushes. Part of the rest of the broken paint brush was found in the basement among Patsy's art supplies.
One of the basement windows was broken, but it had a dusty sill and an unbroken spiderweb in the corner. The window was previously broken by John when he was locked out of the house.
A suitcase was found on the floor almost directly underneath the window. The suitcase belonged to John Andrew, John Ramsey's eldest son from a previous marriage.
There was a Swiss army knife found next to where JonBenet's body was discovered.
There was an unidentifiable palm print found on the inside of the cellar door.
Fibers found on JonBenet's sheets were consistent with the cord used to tie her wrists and strangle her.
Allegedly, there was a book found in John and Patsy's bedroom written by author and FBI criminal profiler, John Douglas, called "Mind Hunter." It reads in part like the JonBenet case in the use of duct tape, ligatures and similar phrases in the ransom note.
There it was a heavy flashlight sitting on the kitchen counter. Some theorize that this is what JonBenet was struck with.
John Ramsey left to go to DIA to pick up his brother, Jeffrey Ramsey, arriving from Atlanta.
John Ramsey returned from the airport.
The Theory That John Ramsey Was Involved in a Child Pornography Ring and His Children Were Victims
According to Sloan Bella (videos below), a party was held at the Ramsey home on December 23 or 24th, with children present, but the main purpose for John Ramsey was a business meeting.
Sloan believes there was a child pornography ring involving John Ramsey.
On May 1, 1996, prior to his daughter's murder, John Ramsey's net worth was reported at $6.4 million.
Speaking with The Daily Beast in 2008, Ramsey shared that he'd lost much of his wealth after JonBenét's murder, as a result of being unable to work and having to defend his reputation after accusations of involvement in the crime were leveled against himself and his wife. "The fact I'm no longer under suspicion will never bring back my life,” he said in the interview. “Once your reputation is tarnished, it stays tarnished."
John briefly worked for Jaleo North America, a software company that worked in high-definition television, but left that job in 1999. After his wife Patsy died of ovarian cancer in 2006, he remarried in 2011 to fashion designer Jan Rousseaux.
In a 2015 interview with Barbara Walters, John said that the death of JonBenét and the ensuing investigation and cost of the case had cost him the entire family fortune. He also claimed that because of the notoriety of the case he now finds it very difficult to find work.
John Ramsey сlаіmѕ thаt hе lоѕt mоѕt оf hіѕ аѕѕеtѕ duе tо hіѕ
еndurаnсе оf уеаrѕ оf оblоquу fоr thе саѕе оf hіѕ dаughtеr, ЈоnВеnét,
аnd thе еnѕuіng іnvеѕtіgаtіоn аnd соѕt. Не аlѕо сlаіmѕ thаt thе саѕе
mаdе іt vеrу dіffісult fоr hіm tо fіnd а gооd јоb. Іt wаѕ аftеr thе
murdеr оf hіѕ dаughtеr, ЈоnВеnét, thаt hе wаѕ tеmроrаrіlу rерlасеd, аѕ
thе соmраnу dіdn’t wаnt tо bоthеr hіm іn hіѕ hаrd tіmе. Јоhn lеft thе јоb аt thе еаrlіеѕt аnd ѕеttlеd wіth hіѕ fаmіlу іn Місhіgаn, whеrе hе јоіnеd аnоthеr соmраnу. [Source] [Source]
In the aftermath of his daughter’s murder, John Ramsey went on to lose his job and claims he spent millions of dollars on private investigators, lawyers and security. Ramsey said that he has lost his family's fortune and had a hard time finding work, even years after the murder.
Ramsey alleges that one company wanted to hire him but, "They said you
can really help us, but we can’t afford to have our company’s good name
in the media, so we can’t hire you," he said. [Source]
Both Denver and Boulder, Colorado, are major Satanic centers whose activities have, at various times, been under investigation by Jefferson and Denver County authorities, as well as the FBI and others. A witness of these activities came forth and gave testimony of two crack babies that were first taken from their parents and given to foster parents. Later they were taken from the foster parents by Denver Social Service, after the husband was murdered in very strange circumstances, and were given to a single woman who had turned up out of nowhere after the murder and offered to be a nanny to the children.
The witness claims watching the ritual sacrifice of both babies, twins, on Halloween, in a sequestered area in the mountains outside of Boulder with the Ramseys, the Ramseys' close wealthy friend and associate (her controller), DA Alex Hunter, Lt. Governor Gail Shoettler, Lou Smith and several others 'very high up' in Colorado politics, linked directly to the Governor's office, being present.
The Satanic ring centered in Denver connects into Boulder and Sedalia, Colorado as well as other communities such as Sedona, Arizona, Omaha Nebraska (John Ramsey is from Omaha, Nebraska), and many others.
It is clear from the statements of both Detective Colson and Char Blazer that the Boulder authorities were very interested in a connection between the death of JonBenet Ramsey and what appears, astonishingly, to be organized pedophilia on a national level, perhaps with a criminal Government license.
The William Morris Agency also represents up and coming child models and had solicited a contract from the Ramseys for the 'services' of JonBenet. It should also be noted that in early 1996 the Denver Police had been investigating a Denver Child-Porno Protection ring linked to and run by none other than the Wm. Morris Agency and FBI Div. #5 (FBI Special/Black Ops).
The William Morris Agency has close ties to NBC
News. This Agency is responsible for placing the likes of stooges Tom
Brokow and Brian Williams at NBC News. It was NBC which broke the
current JonBenet Ramsey story.
John Ramsey ran a company called Access Graphics with offices in the Philippines, Amsterdam, Holland and Denver, Colorado. Access Graphics did business with the Wm. Morris Agency and had service contracts directly with what is commonly known as Iran Contra.
Access Graphics major bank accounts were parked at the noted Iran Contra money-laundry Silverado Savings and Loan and administered by none other than Director of Silverado, Neil Bush, George W. Bush's brother. Ramsey was also on a list of witnesses never subpoenaed by former Iran Contra Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh.
It can now be reported that Ramsey had either knowingly, or unknowingly, pimped his daughter out as a prostitute to the Wm. Morris Agency, who were taking these child 'models' and using them to provide sexual services for pedophiles in Government, Industry and so on, in addition to their modeling shows (shows often displayed in video footage in the many news specials on JonBenet's murder).
John Ramsey must stay silent, given his position as a Bush-Clinton crime syndicate asset, or risk having the truth come out about this entire, horrid affair. Something he has done quite well up to this juncture.
Search warrants also turned up nude photos of the Ramsey children - and not baby pictures.
In the three years prior to her death, Jonenet made 33 trips to the pediatrician, diagnosis was "yeast infections." Yeast infections for a child of four to six years old?
By April 1997, the Boulder police decided they could no longer trust the D.A.'s office, and stopped sharing information. Soon after, their computer system, as well as that of the BCI, was hacked into and evidence 'wiped' or destroyed. Physical evidence has also disappeared from the BCI, indicating an obvious cover-up. Evidence should never 'disappear'.
There was fluid found on and near JonBenét's body. Rather than be checked immediately for DNA, it was held, and then later sent to Cellmark Laboratories, the wonderful lab whose supposed impeccable DNA testing "proved" that O. J. Simpson was the real killer. There is no disputing that biological material had been recovered from the JonBenét crime scene, yet soon it was reported that no semen had been found, which is untrue. You would think that by now those fabulous sleuths at Cellmark would've uncovered something, semen or not, but so far it has been nil.
Cellmark, of course, is located in Maryland, right near the Pentagon and the heart of the Military Industrial Complex.
"It is my belief the district attorney's office has effectively crippled this case," Det. Thomas wrote in his letter to Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner. "The time for intervention is now." Thomas asked that an independent prosecutor be appointed to take over the case.
Thomas's allegations included the following:
• The district attorney dismissed evidence collected by detectives, as well as opinions offered by national experts, including the FBI.
• Search warrants were denied for "elementary investigative efforts," such as attempts to obtain telephone and credit card records.
• Prosecutors shared physical evidence and reports with lawyers for John and Patsy Ramsey, the parents of the slain girl.
• Evidence remained in a laboratory untested, as detectives and prosecutors grappled with how to proceed in the case.
• The District Attorney's office did not clear innocent people, but pursued them with "shameless tactics."
The Denver Post
PUBLISHED: February 21, 1997
UPDATED: September 20, 2016
February 21, 1997 – Boulder Police Chief Tom Koby said the autopsy report of Elizabeth Ramsey, who died in a car crash outside of Chicago five years ago, is of no value to the JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation and will be released today.
The 1992 report was sealed by the Cook County (Illinois) Medical Examiner’s office in a routine procedure more than a month ago after Boulder police requested a copy of it as part of their active investigation into the death of 6-year-old JonBenet.
Elizabeth Ramsey, John Ramsey’s eldest daughter from his first marriage, died in Burr Ridge, Ill., on Jan. 8, 1992.
The 22-year-old was on her way to the airport with her boyfriend, Matthew Derrington, who lost control of his BMW while accelerating into traffic on a wet Interstate 55.
The car slid into the path of an oncoming bread delivery truck, killing both occupants.
“It’s just a single-page report with very little information that’s of no real value to our investigation,” Koby said.
“Commander Eller will release the report in the morning (today).”
From JonBenet's obituary: She is survived by her parents, John and Patricia Ramsey; a sister, Melinda Ramsey (pictured above), Atlanta; two brothers, Burke Ramsey (pictured above) and John Andrew Ramsey (pictured above), both of Boulder; and her grandparents, Don and Nedra Paugh (Patsy's parents), Atlanta, and Richard and Irene Wills, Sun City, Fla.
Daily Times-Call
February 2, 1997
BOULDER - Boulder officials this morning denied that police were in Chicago as a part of the ever-broadening JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation, but again refused to reveal the whereabouts of detectives.
"Detectives are out of state," city spokesman Kelvin McNeill said during a weekly media briefing. "They are not in Chicago. They have not been to Chicago.''
McNeill added that Boulder police will pursue information in the case "wherever it takes us."
Officials did confirm, however, that Boulder police have asked the Cook County medical examiner's office in Chicago to seal the autopsy report and death certificate of Elizabeth Ramsey, John Ramsey's daughter from his first marriage.
The 22-year-old Ramsey, one of John Ramsey's three children from his first wife, died in a car accident near Chicago on Jan. 8, 1992. Her boyfriend, Matthew Derrington, the driver, was also killed in the collision.
McNeill said he could not say how Elizabeth Ramsey's death and the contents of her autopsy report were relevant to the Boulder murder investigation.
He claimed he was prohibited from answering questions about sealing of the 1992 report because it has become a part of the murder investigation.
The sealing of that public document follows suit with the tight-lipped way the rest of the investigation has been conducted.
Authorities again said they do not have any suspects in the slaying of the 6-year-old Little Miss Colorado.
JonBenet was found Dec. 26 in her family's home.
She had been strangled, sexually assaulted and received a severe blow to her head.
A ransom note found by JonBenet's mother, Patricia "Patsy'' Ramsey, demanded $118,000 for the safe return of the child.
A district attorney's office motion to extend a seal on search warrants of the Ramseys' lavish Boulder home and their automobiles and said the girl's family is not above suspicion.
"There are no arrests pending,'' McNeill said.
After eight weeks, police have conducted more than 115 formal interviews, but none with JonBenet's parents.
The Ramseys remain in seclusion and are not under any travel restrictions.
John Ramsey is the president of Access Graphics in Boulder, a computer products company that grossed more than $1 billion last year.
Hunter said, however, his choice of words were not meant to implicate the Ramseys.
John and Patsy flew to Atlanta to support his first wife, Pasch, while she was questioned by police about the whereabouts of she and John's two other children (John Andrew and Melinda) on December 25, 1996, according to The Denver Post. The outlet referred to her as Lucinda Ramsey Johnson, indicating that she had re-married as well. Although John and Patsy's relationship with Pasch appeared to be cordial, Pasch avoided the spotlight after JonBenét's murder. [Source]
By the Daily Camera
July 3, 1997
Authorities have asked an Arvada Police Department detective to investigate child pornography computer databases in connection with the JonBenet Ramsey homicide, sources said Wednesday.
Detective Walt Parsons of the Arvada Police Department Crimes Against Children Unit hasn't completed the examination. Sources wouldn't discuss the type of databases or whether they involve criminal cases or the Internet.
And investigators searched for pornography in the Ramseys' home at 755 15th St. after obtaining search warrants days after JonBenet's slaying in late December, sources close to the case said. Those sources wouldn't disclose if investigators have located child pornography related to the homicide.
"They were out (at the Ramseys' house) looking for every type of pornography you can imagine," a source said. "They were looking for things like pornographic movies, books, magazines and photographs."
Family spokeswoman Rachelle Zimmer said she couldn't comment on the content of the search warrants.
Parsons wouldn't discuss his involvement with the case, but he did talk generally about the role pornography can play in sexual crimes.
"In general, the utilization of child pornography signifies a strong interest in children sexually," Parsons said. "Anybody that is interested in child pornography obviously might have an interest in other forms of child sexual involvement. Anyone trying to do a thorough investigation (of a child victim) would want to determine if an individual had ever expressed that interest in any form."
Investigators obtained the search documents shortly after John Ramsey, JonBenet's father, and a friend discovered the 6-year-old strangled, gagged with duct tape and sexually assaulted in the basement of the family's home on Dec. 26.
The girl's autopsy report verified she suffered severe head injuries and that sections of her vagina showed chronic inflammation and epithelial erosion, or tissue damage.
The Ramseys have denied a history of sexual abuse in the family involving JonBenet or others.
The family has provided the Boulder County district attorney's office with a pediatrician's records, a psychiatrist's videotaped interview with JonBenet's 10-year-old brother, and other information they say demonstrates no sexual abuse occurred.
Investigators also have interviewed the former Little Miss Colorado's adult half-siblings, John Andrew and Melinda, as well as analyzed an autopsy report of JonBenet's half-sister, Elizabeth, who died in a 1992 car accident.
Some experts contend, however, that sexual abuse of young children may consist of oral or manual contact that doesn't leave evidence. The perpetrator, for example, may force the child to fondle his or her genitals.
Pedophiles may have other disorders as well, said Gregg McCrary, a former criminal profiler with the FBI.
"They could include bondage and restraining and tying in some way they find erotic," McCrary said. "And you have accidental deaths in the practice of bondage."
Sexual offenders may not use "hard-core" pornography, McCrary said.
"A lot of times we find they have true crime stories that include kidnapping, rape, bondage and murder, and posters of slasher films," McCrary said. "They are things that we don't normally think of that as porno graphic, but the pairing of sex and violence is what some sexual offenders find arousing."
By Chelsea Deffenbacher
July 11, 2019
An Oakridge man has been indicted by a secret Lane County grand jury on charges related to a yearlong child pornography investigation that landed the man in jail earlier this month.
Randall DeWitt Simons, 66, was taken into custody July 2 by Springfield police, who had been assisting Oakridge police in investigating a July 2018 report from A&W that someone had been using the restaurant’s WiFi to download inappropriate and concerning images.
The Lane County secret grand jury indictment alleges 15 counts of second-degree encouraging child sex abuse. Simons was arraigned Thursday and entered not guilty pleas to all of the charges. He is due back in court Aug. 7 for a pre-trial conference.
According to a search warrant affidavit filed in Lane County Circuit Court this month, police tracked a computer’s identification address from the restaurant’s WiFi system after authorities had been notified of the illegal activity. The tracking led police to a man who lived near the restaurant. After an investigation, and the service of a search warrant, police learned that man had given away his old computers that still had his identification information on them. The man provided the name of one man who he had given a computer to, who lived nearby.
In following those leads, Oakridge and Springfield police began investigating Simons in June, and using a special software program, were able to see Simons’ computer log in to the A&W WiFi in real time. A device showed police where the signal was coming from, and led to Simons’ home, the affidavit states.
A search warrant was filed June 27 to search Simons’ residence. There, police collected four laptops, three camcorders, two bags of writable optical discs, and six cameras.
At the time of Simons’ arrest, Oakridge police said Simons described himself as a children’s photographer. Oakridge police asked parents of children that may have been left unattended with Simons to contact Oakridge police at 541-782-4232 or the Lane County Sheriff’s Office at 541-682-4150.
According to a 1998 article circulated by The Associated Press, Simons had been a photographer for the 6-year-old Colorado beauty queen JonBenét Ramsey a few months before her still-unsolved 1996 murder. He later sold a portfolio of photos showing Ramsey in makeup and curls for $7,500, telling reporters his career was probably in jeopardy because of the controversy the sale created.
In October 1998, Simons was arrested on a charge of indecent exposure in Lincoln County, Colo. According to the book “Perfect Murder, Perfect Town” by Lawrence Schiller, Simons was arrested in 1998 for allegedly walking nude down a residential street in the small town of Genoa, Colo. Simons allegedly offered to the arresting deputy unprovoked, “I didn’t kill JonBenét.”
Randall De Witt Simons was released from the Lane County Jail on March 23, 2020, after his attorney expressed fear the 67-year-old could contract COVID-19. Simons has been in the jail since July 2 after a year-long investigation by Springfield and Oakridge police. He’s charged with 15 counts of first-degree encouraging child sexual abuse. Simons’ trial was scheduled to begin May 12.
All evidence that investigators have brought up points to it being an inside job.
The ransom note is obviously fake, as stated by many experts.
There was obvious staging of the body.
The family's actions and behavior afterward was suspicious and just strange.
Within hours of JonBenet being found, John Ramsey called his pilot to head to Georgia ASAP, and he had to be convinced to stay to help with the investigation of his murdered daughter.
They lawyer up and buck the Boulder PD at every turn.
They get caught in lies and contradictory stories.
JonBenet had horrific injuries, and I am not too sure Burke could be the one who cracked her skull like that. According to experts, the velocity of the hit to the skull indicates a taller and stronger person or JonBenet was sitting down.
So many things point to the family (or insiders), and an intruder makes so sense when the evidence is presented. The evidence points to a cover up and does NOT point to one particular family member who actually murdered her. I read a comment on here that it is strange that Burke, if he did actually do it, did not seem to leave any evidence.
Marchesk wrote on reddit:
The four Ramseys are the only people known to have been in the house that night. The world has its share of pervs, kidnappers, burglars and grudge holders, but not a one of them has been placed at the scene of this crime.
A stranger would have to navigate the unknown layout of that house at night, and find the cellar room to stash the body in. John (initially) and the housekeeper said it had to be an inside job because of that.
A random pedo has no reason to write a ransom note. A kidnapper interested in money has no reason to ask for $118,000, leave the body in the house, and then fail to collect. A burglar has no reason to write the note or assault the body in such a manner. And a pedo, who would see JB at a pageant, find her home and break in, would unlikely be amateurish in their sexual assault.
That leaves someone who knew the family, motivated by perversion or revenge. But the police have ruled out all such suspects. They were the first looked into from the very beginning. Only the ones with a grudge has a reason to write such a note. But why would they bother telling John to be rested, mention phrases like "adequate sized attaches" or "the two gentleman watching over" her, or quote movies? It makes no sense.
And why would an intruder hide the body in a room in the basement? It's going to be found regardless. Why put a blanket over her? Why would an intruder take the time? Getting out of the house would be the motivation.
Finally, all alleged intruder evidence has been explained or has been seriously called into question. The broken basement window, the smudge, the hand print, the boot print, the "butt print", the touch DNA, the "pubic" hair, the "taser" marks, and the bat are not sufficient to point to an intruder, and some even contradict it (hair was from Patsy's maternal line).
Burke did talk to someone: Detective Patterson of the BPD interviewed him at the Whites' house. In the A&E documentary, Patterson said, at the time, Burke had no idea that his sister was dead. Patterson said he found Burke to be truthful and absolutely believed him.
If JBR accidently killed JB, it means she was sexually assaulted by someone else, earlier on Christmas Day. And this means she had multiple abusers.
DNA on blood spot on underwear, DNA under two fingernails, and DNA on the elastic part of the pajamas doesn't match the family. Said DNA was all partial, degraded profiles, that don't even match each other, so how could they have all been from the same "random guy" that night?
The following is a theory based on what evidence is known to us:
JonBenet had two brothers -- Burke, age 9, and half-brother John Andrew (JAR), age 20.
Fourth-grader Burke, of course, lived at home.
John Andrew Ramsey was a sophomore at University of Colorado in Boulder. He lived in the fraternity house, Chi Psi, at 1080 14th Street, one-half mile away (a three-minute walk) from the family home, where he maintained a bedroom.
JonBenet's murder was a sex crime.
She had acute injuries to the vagina (inflicted on the night of the crime), and she had chronic injuries to the vagina (inflicted 2 or 3 days prior to the crime). The chronic injuries were verified by a panel of six doctors who analyzed the autopsy report and the microscopic slides of specimens taken during the autopsy.
JAR's blue suitcase found positioned under the basement window (Fleet White said he moved it there to check out the window) contained the blanket from JAR's bed, a pillow case from JAR's bed, a Dr. Seuss book with JAR's name in it, and semen from JAR on the blanket. And fibers from JAR's blanket were on JonBenet.
A breath-control erotic asphyxiation device, normally used to enhance orgasms during masturbation, was found wrapped around JonBenet's neck. It had been used to strangle her. Erotic asphyxiation (EA) and autoerotic asphyxiation (AEA) are extremely dangerous methods of masturbation almost exclusively used by male teens and young adults. (EA is with a partner and AEA is by oneself.)
The presence of the EA device on JonBenet strongly suggests a young male adult was involved in this crime.
The fact that JonBenet had suffered prior vaginal abuse, points toward a family member or a person very close to the family. How else could JonBenet have been sexually abused on different days of the week?
And since nylon fibers from the EA device were found in JonBenet's bed, it suggests the device had been used there on a previous day because JonBenet was in Burke's room on Christmas Eve night.
It appears that an older male may have made the EA device at an earlier date and had likely tutored the children in its use.
John Andrew's alibi is that he was in Atlanta at the time of the crime, and he has two friends as witnesses, Brad Millard and Chris Stanley, who verify they went to a movie on Christmas night, and they produced the ticket stubs as evidence. JAR's mom, Lucinda, also verifies that JAR was home with her on the 24th and 25th and left on a flight to Minneapolis on the morning of the 26th.
However, Boulder neighbor Joe Barnhill has said that he saw JAR walking toward the Ramsey house on Christmas Day, apparently while the Ramseys were at the Whites' dinner party (they allegedly left the home around 5 p.m. and returned around 10 p.m.). Barnhill later recanted his story about his visual sighting of JAR.
JAR said he flew from Colorado to Atlanta on December 19th, and some sources put JAR in Atlanta on the 23rd, but I think he was in Boulder on the 23rd, and he had attended the Ramseys' Christmas party on that night. I remember seeing a group picture of the attendees and JAR was in the left background of the photo. It was during that party that someone called 911 and hung up. When the police called back, they got a voice message, so they sent a cop to the Ramsey home. Susan Stine reportedly refused to open the door and got rid of the cop by telling him through the door that everything was okay.
JAR's alibi starts on Christmas Eve, with his mother and her friend, Harry Smiles, claiming that JAR attended the Peachtree Presbyterian Church in Atlanta on Christmas Eve.
To place JAR in Boulder on Christmas Eve would mean that JAR's two witnesses for Christmas Eve in Atlanta (his mother and her friend) were lying, and an additional five witnesses were lying for Christmas Day.
JAR's alibi for Christmas Day starts in the afternoon, with his sister Melinda, who finished her shift at a hospital in Marietta, Georgia, at about 7:00 a.m. She said that JAR was with her, her boyfriend/fiance, and her mother's friend, Harry Smiles, that afternoon, exchanging gifts at Lucinda's home (Melinda and JAR's mother) in Marietta.
- Christmas Eve alibi witnesses (no specific time given): JAR's mother and her friend (it is implied he spent the night at his mother's home).
- Chirstmas Day alibi witnesses, afternoon (no specific time given): JAR's mother and her friend, JAR's sister and her fiance.
- Christmas Day, alibi witnesses, evening: Judy Chowder (neighbor), Brad Miller (friend) and Chris Stanley (friend).
JAR's Alibi for Christmas Eve and Christmas Day:
John Andrew, his mother, and her friend Harry Smiles had attended the Peachtree Presbyterian Church in Atlanta on Christmas Eve.
Melinda, who worked at a hospital in Marietta, Georgia, finished her shift at about 7:00 A.M. on Christmas Day.
That afternoon, John Andrew, Harry Smiles, Melinda, and her boyfriend, Stewart Long, exchanged gifts at Lucinda's home (Melinda and JAR's mother) in Marietta.
In the late afternoon they all went across the street to a neighbor Judy Crowder's for dinner.
Melinda and Stewart Long left the dinner party about 7:00 P.M., and Melinda started to pack for an early flight the next day. At 9:00 they went to visit Guy Long, Stewart's uncle, and after visiting other friends were home by midnight.
At about 8:30 P.M., John Andrew went to his friend Brad Millard's home in Marietta to play video games.
After an hour, they left to catch a 10:30 P.M. show at the Town and Country Movie Theaters in Marietta with another friend, Chris Stanley.
John Andrew said that after the movie he went back to Brad Millard's house to get his car and arrived back at his mother's house at 1:00 A.M. on December 26th. Brad Millard had stayed overnight in John Andrew's room.
The next morning, on December 26th, he left his mother's house with Melinda, who had come there to pick him up.
Together they boarded a Delta flight to Minneapolis at 8:36 A.M. local time.
That was forty-four minutes after Patsy called 911 to report that JonBenet was missing.
Bryan Morgan wrote to Detective Thomas on March 4 stating that John Andrew had made an ATM transaction at the QT Store on Roswell Road, in Marietta, Georgia, at 9:00 P.M. on December 25. His friend Brad Millard had been present. To support his claim, Morgan enclosed the ATM transaction slip.
He also repeated that Melinda had awakened her brother in the early morning hours of December 26, in time for him to stop at a store and still make an 8:30 A.M. flight to Minneapolis.
The accusation of a onetime police informant that John Andrew had tried to stage an "accidental death" in order to kill JonBenet was clearly preposterous. Morgan again requested an official announcement that John Andrew was no longer a possible suspect.
By now the police had received the test results from John Andrew and Melinda's hair, blood, and handwriting. At the time, the only possible match to evidence found at the crime scene was the pubic hair found on the white blanket in the basement, which held some slight similarities to Melinda's.
But her alibi was even tighter than her brother's, and it was not likely that she had used the same blanket when she stayed with the family.
One of the Atlanta friends was a pilot, as was Jeff Ramsey, John's brother.
Could JAR have been in Boulder on the 23rd, the 24th, and the 25th, and been flown secretly to Atlanta on Christmas night in one of John Ramsey's two airplanes (the single engine Cessna or the larger King Air)?
The intense Ramsey coverup of this crime has to involve a family member, and IMO that has to be either BR or JAR, or both.
EA in this case is not a theory. That was an erotic asphysiation device wrapped around JonBenet's neck.
Since a stun gun was likely used during the crime, probably as a means of torture, it appears that the use of the EA device by JonBenet was involuntary. This crime seems to have been a brutal rape/murder committed by a Ramsey family member and ridiculously staged to try to make it look like an intruder did it.
There was no intruder because the Ramseys wouldn't be lying their heads off and covering up to protect the identity of an intruder.
It is not a theory that an erotic asphyxiation device was wrapped around JonBenet's neck. It's a physical fact. It exists. There are numerous crime scene photos of the device, and it's not a garrote even though an uninformed public and media continue to call it a garrote. Garrotes look nothing like that.
It's true the device was eventually used to strangle her, but the device was designed as an EA tool. A killer wouldn't construct an elaborate cord device with special knots and a stick handle just to strangle a little six-year-old girl. The multiple circumferential marks on JonBenet's neck confirm it was used as a breath control device prior to it being pulled so tight that it strangled her.
The cops, including Lou Smit, have called the EA device on JonBenet a sexual device, as has John Ramsey who said, "The killer is a pedophile who prefers little girls and is experienced in autoerotic asphyxiation."
According to the CBI, the fibers from JAR's pillow sham and comforter (which had been taken off JAR's bed on the second floor) were on JonBenet's vaginal area, on her shirt, on the duct tape that was on her mouth, and on the ligature that had bound her hands at the wrists. The Dr. Seuss book apparently belonged to JAR because he had his name written in it.
The FBI contradicted the CBI's findings and said the fibers on JonBenet did not come from the pillow sham nor the comforter, but they could not find anything else in the house that matched the fibers.
Since an EA device was wrapped around JonBenet's neck, my guess is that JAR was the childrens' tutor of erotic asphyxiation which, in my opinion, accidentally killed JonBenet by strangulation. OR the strangulation was not accidental and was intended to shut her up about past molestations.
2001-07-19: Webbsleuths Forum (http://www.webbsleuths.com)
"JAR remembers..."
Posted by jameson on Jul-19-01 at 02:03 PM (EST)
Quotes from an email from John Andrew -- posted with expressed permission.
M=Melinda, S=Stewart, J=John, P=Patsy
Melinda is John Ramsey's daughter by his first wife, and Stewart is her boyfriend - both provided an alibi for John Andrew. John Andrew is Melinda's brother and John Ramsey's son by his first wife.
The topic being discussed was John telling Stewart that he found the body at 11.
"After M, S and I arrived in Denver we proceded to the house. As soon as we arrived J and P were in the street, they had just found JB. It was a bad scene. Very quickly S and I got in John Fernies' van with my dad. Melinda went with Patsy in I think Fleets' car. NO ONE WAS THINKING. We just got in the nearest car and drove. NO THOUGHTS. That is when my dad told us he found JB and she was dead. NO THOUGHTS. We prayed and drove to the Fernies. I would imagine that is when Stewart got his information, I was probably sitting right there but I don't remember.
"...my parents were destroyed. They were not thinking about their own butt, or covering up any crimes. They were just not plainly thinking straight. No one was, or could think."
"I will never be able to explain the feelings and thoughts of that day. From the moment of the phone call with my dad until we arrived in Denver was maddening. We had to get on a plane, that was first. I was constantly scanning the crowd, for what I have no idea. By the time we were on the plane I had come to the realization that JB was dead. A couple of weeks earlier I had watched a Geraldo show about kidnappings, they had the parents on, none of the kids had survived. I knew the chances were not good, I just prayed that she was not in any pain. I don't think you would call it an out of body experience b/c lots of my senses were heightened. I was scared, angry and nervous. However, other functions shut down. I was not rational, I was not thinking ahead, I was not thinking at all. It is survival instincts at their best. Survive in the moment and not worry about the future."
"My point is this. To build a case around the hours following the crime are ridiculus. Behavior can not be accounted for during these times. It would seem much more logical to seek answers in the other fifty plus years of ones life, rather than the moments of one's darkests period."
"I can't answer for Stewart, I can't answer for my Dad. I can only provide some insight to the psyche during such a period of high stress."
Note: Melinda married Stewart Long on November 14, 1998; they were engaged at the time of the murder. Stewart and Melinda were among John Andrew's alibi. They said he had been traveling to Michigan with John Andrew when they were rerouted to Boulder the day of the "kidnapping."
Detective Kim Stewart interviewed Melinda for almost two and a half hours.
Detectives Ron Gosage and Steve Thomas questioned her brother from 6:00 to 8:00 P.M.
Twenty-year-old John Andrew was obviously upset, but he was composed enough to explain that he was a student at CU and had been in Boulder until December 19. Then he had gone to Atlanta to spend the first part of his vacation with his mother, Lucinda Johnson, and his sister and friends. Then the plan was to continue his vacation with his sister, father, stepmother, and their children. He said his father had arranged to meet him and his sister in Minneapolis at about 10:30 A.M. on December 26, and from there they would all continue to the house in Charlevoix, Michigan.
Could John Andrew, with one or more of the friends who provided his and his sister's alibis, have left Marietta, Georgia, flown to Boulder, Colorado, and returned in time to be seen by his sister's boyfriend, Stewart Long, at about 6:15 A.M. when John Andrew and Melinda left for the airport?
The police figured that John Andrew had a minimum of four and a half hours he could not account for-longer if he didn't stay to see the entire movie. It would have been longer still if he never went to the theater but went to an airport instead. That scenario would give John Andrew almost nine hours to get from Marietta to Boulder and back.
Until all airline and private plane flights were checked, John Andrew Ramsey would remain a suspect.
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For seven weeks the police had been interviewing the Ramseys' family, friends, and business associates without turning up any real suspects. They had finished their background checks on John Andrew and Melinda and had verified commercial airline schedules and private plane flight plans and found no record that either of them had traveled the night of December 25. Their alibis were solid.
Besides the Ramseys, the only people apparently still under investigation were "Santa" Bill McReynolds and his wife, Janet; housekeeper Linda Hoffmann-Pugh; part-time reporter Chris Wolf; Bud Henderson, who owed $18,000 to Access Graphics; company executive Gary Merriman; and the Ramseys' friends Fleet and Priscilla White.
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What if John Andrew had never gone to Atlanta but stayed in Boulder to celebrate Christmas with his father, stepmother and half-siblings?
When Boulder police traveled to Roswell, Ga., on Feb. 13, they had the "express purpose" of clearing John Andrew and Melinda Ramsey. They even took a city spokesperson with them, prepared to make the announcement, a city source told the Daily Camera.
But when the detectives and spokesperson arrived in Roswell, they learned that John Ramsey had hired Atlanta attorney James Jenkins to represent Melinda and John Andrew, as well as the children's mother, Lucinda Johnson [another alibi witness for John Andrew].
Jenkins would not allow the Ramsey children or their mother to speak with the officers, McNeill said.
"As a result, alternative sources of information had to be developed, which delayed our ability to publicly issue this information," he said.
Pat Korten, the Ramseys' media consultant, posted this on his web site: "The Ramsey family is grateful that police have announced that John Andrew and Melinda are not suspects in the case."'
Chrishope replied:
I would also point out that if JAR did it, no fewer than 7 people are involved in providing a false alibi for JAR. While it's believable that LR and MR might lie to protect JAR, and maybe SL is sucked into doing the same, it's much harder to believe the other four were close enough to be willing to make false statements to police to help JAR get away with murder.
Brad Millard was a friend. Good enough friend to lie to the police? Good enough to fly JAR to GA in the wee hours of the 26th, thus making him an accessory after the fact ? IMO not likely.
Chris Stanley. Same as above.
Harry Smiles. He was a friend of Lucinda's. Why would he feel a need to lie about JAR's presence in GA the evening of the 25th?
Judy Crowder. Neighbor who hosted Christmas dinner attended by Lucinda, MR, SL, and JAR. I'd think it's very unlikely she was willing to give JAR a false alibi.
A rational person would have to conclude that it's unlikely 7 people agreed to provide JAR with a false alibi.
JAR "did it" doesn't fly, it just doesn't have wings.
TLynn replied:
JAR lived one block over and several blocks up from the Ramseys while attending the university. He visited his dad's home where a bedroom was maintained for him.
JAR & Melinda were only cleared as a negotiation deal for the Ramseys to talk to the police. JR's plane hangars were never checked (John actually gloats about this in DOI). Also, in DOI, it talks about "games" the Ramseys played with private planes...
JAR's semen was found on the blanket inside the suitcase, and JAR claimed the suitcase and all contents (including a Dr. Suess book) belonged to him.
JR's side of the family (JAR, Melinda & ex-wife) were lawyered up immediately. Patsy's side of the family never was.
D.A. Alex Hunter said it had been very difficult to get the police to explore leads they did not want to explore, especially those that did not specifically concern the Ramsey family. Moreover, from the start of the case, his relationship with the Boulder Police Department had been shaky.
Hunter surprised me by stating that John Eller, the commander in charge of the detectives investigating the murder, was "impossible to work with" in these circumstances. Eller, the D.A. declared, had long focused on only one thing: arresting John and Patsy Ramsey.
"The cops," Hunter said, "regard us as intruders in this situation. That makes everything tougher. I don’t have enough to file a case against the Ramseys. The cops keep bringing me things and saying, ‘How much is enough, how much is enough?’ We’re not there yet."
He thought some of John Andrew Ramsey’s fraternity brothers at the Chi Psi house at the University of Colorado may have gotten high Christmas night and, during an aborted attempt to kidnap JonBenet and make some easy money, accidentally killed her and then concocted the note as a cover-up.
After laying out this scenario, Hunter looked directly at me, awaiting my response.
For several moments, I said nothing. I was thinking about this unexpected angle.
First of all, it didn’t square with any of the current theories about the crime, including one of the very few solid facts in the case: that John Andrew Ramsey had been in Atlanta the night the girl was killed.
Second, I had assumed that in the first month after the murder, both the Boulder cops and the scores of reporters covering the case had fully questioned the frat brothers; to my knowledge, no one had learned anything of substance from them.
Third, if Hunter’s scenario were accurate, some lesser participant might eventually have talked to and made a deal with the authorities in exchange for immunity from prosecution; that had not happened.
Fourth, and most important, Hunter had not delivered this possibility to me with what I took to be real conviction. It almost seemed as if this were what the D.A. wished had happened to JonBenet.
I wondered if something more was going on in the room, but what could that be?
"The frat boys might have been involved," I said without much enthusiasm. Hunter did not press the matter.
CHICAGO TRIBUNE
February 28, 1997
Investigators expanded their probe into the JonBenet Ramsey slaying to six states and said Thursday there are still questions about the alibi of her 20-year-old half brother.
"We have more to do on that," District Atty. Alex Hunter said when asked about reports police were in Atlanta trying to verify the family's claim that John Andrew Ramsey was out of state when the 6-year-old girl was killed.
Hunter declined to comment on reports that the name of the onetime University of Colorado student was not on an airline ticket cited by family members as proof he was out of state.
City spokeswoman Leslie Aaholm said investigators have been sent to West Virginia, Arizona, Georgia, Illinois and Ohio in the past 10 days. They earlier went to the Michigan summer home of parents John and Patsy Ramsey.
Aaholm would say only that investigators were "gathering information essential to the case."
The former Little Miss Colorado was found strangled in the basement of her family home here Dec. 26. An autopsy indicated she may also have been sexually assaulted. Additional evidence is still being processed at a forensic laboratory.
The following is from BONITA PAPERS.
Melody Stanton awoke abruptly from a deep sleep - the prior stillness of the Boulder night had been pierced by the harrowing scream of a child. She assumed it was somewhere between midnight and 2:00 a.m., but didn’t look at the alarm clock. The scream lasted three to five seconds and stopped as abruptly as it started. Melody momentarily wondered what to do, but thought that surely the parents would hear and come to the child’s rescue. Although still bothered by the scream and the thought that a child had been injured, Melody eventually went back to sleep.
Melody Stanton was interviewed by Det. Barry Hartkopp on January 3. Stanton lives across the street and one house to the south of the Ramseys. Her bedroom is on the second floor of the west side of the house, which faces the Ramsey home.
On Christmas night she had gone to bed at approximately 10:00 p.m. Stanton always sleeps with her window slightly open, and on that night she had opened it 6-8 inches. She related that she had fallen asleep shortly after she went to bed, but was awakened by “one loud, incredible scream”. She related that it was “obviously from a child” and that it lasted 3 to 5 seconds and then abruptly stopped. It appeared that the sound came from across the street, south of the Ramsey residence. She did not look at the clock, but estimated the time at somewhere between 12:00 a.m. and 2:00 a.m. She stayed awake and listened for any other noises for five to ten minutes, but heard absolutely nothing after that, no cars, no voices, no footsteps, so she eventually went back to sleep.
Stanton said she had not left on any televisions or radios when she went to bed. She admitted that she did not sit up in bed to look out the window, so she did not see any activity outside her window. When asked why she had not come forward with this information right after the homicide when detectives had canvassed the neighborhood, Stanton said she was so shocked by JonBenet’s death that she at first did not make any connection to the scream. Also, since none of the other neighbors had not mentioned to her about hearing a scream, she began to doubt she actually heard it. In fact, when she told her husband he said she had probably imagined it. It was Diane Brumfitt, a friend of Stanton's, who reported this incident to the Boulder Police after her conversation with Stanton.
Some months later, Smit, Hofstrom and De Muth went in and conducted some experiments. They determined that the sound of a scream in the boiler room would likely not have been heard in the parents' upstairs bedroom. However, they also thought the sound could have carried across the street to where that neighbor slept apparently, even in winter, with her window slightly open.
samarkandy replied:
- the unsourced animal hairs on JonBenet's hands
- the unsourced brown paper sack in JAR's bedroom
- the cord fibres in her bed
- the fibres consistent with the unsourced brown papersack in her bed
- the unsourced second flashlight
- the 19 cigarette butts outside the basement toilet window (never DNA tested)
- the unsourced fibres on JonBenet's Gap top, in her crotch area, and on her hands
- the heart drawn on her hand
- the extra hair tie found in her hair
- the Santa Bear and the note in his little bag
- the torn up note to Santa in her trash bin
- JonBenet's comment to neighbor about expecting a second special visit from Santa after Christmas
- the child's scream around midnight
- the unsourced pen knife with the broken ornament found in the boiler room
- the sound of scraping metal heard soon after the child's scream
- the tea glass with teabag in it found on breakfast room table (never DNA tested)
- the unsourced brown fibres found on the neck ligature, JonBenet's clothing, the duct tape
AND NO EVIDENCE OF Patsy's or John's or Burke's DNA being on any of the ligatures.
(hair was from Patsy's maternal line)
The cigarette butts are listed in the search warrants. I got the information about there being 19 sent to CBI and tested for the presence of saliva from case documents I obtained through a CORA request, which is what Paula Woodward had done. I got the idea from her as did many others.
A CBI report dated April 1, 1998, says in part:
446 DEBRIS, INCLUDED NINETEEN (19) CIGARETTE BUTTS (A-S)
Then it says:
PRESUMPTIVE SEROLOGICAL ANALYSES INDICTED THE PRESENCE OF AMYLASE, AN ENZYME FOUND IN HIGH CONCENTRATIONS IN SALIVA, IN EXHIBIT 446 (C)
NO SALIVA WAS INDICATED ON EXHIBITS 446 (A,B, D-S)
Here are some things I feel peculiar about JAR:
1. The R's neighbor, Joe Barnhill, reported seeing John Andrew walk up to the R's house on 12/25. Does anyone know if this sighting was when the R's had already gone to the Whites' house? Barnhill later changed his statement to say that he might have been mistaken.
2. There is no home video footage of Christmas morning. There are only two pictures. Was JAR in any of those pictures and videos that they had to be erased?
3. One of the original people that John has stayed close to throughout the years was his pilot, Mike Archuleta. Did Mike give JAR the plane ride from Boulder to Marietta? (John later gave his plane to Archuleta.)
4. Why did John and Patsy say that they wouldn't answer any questions until the police cleared JAR and Melinda?
5. JAR's suitcase with his blanket, book, and semen were found near JonBenet's body.
6. It's been said that JonBenet was being molested but not on a regular basis. Since JAR was in Boulder but not always at home, he would of had irregular access to JBR. Didn't she go to the school nurse on Mondays? Did JAR make a stop at home during the weekend?
7. Why did John lawyer up his family like his ex-wife and not Patsy's family? (I'm not positive about this; but I'm pretty sure Lucinda got a lawyer and Nedra didn't.)
8. LE cleared JAR because of a picture of him at an ATM. Wouldn't that picture be really grainy? If he spent Christmas with his mom's family, then why aren't there any pictures of him there? Also, didn't he go to the movies too on 12/25? So he went to his mom's house and the movies on 12/25? Or was his mom's house on 12/24?
Now, I know that someone will say that Patsy would have never covered up for JAR but John was the one with money and connections. He could have told Patsy that she keeps her mouth shut about his son, or he'll throw her under the bus (or something also would happen to Burke).
DeeDee249 replied:
All excellent points.
1. Joe Barnhill did change his story, but I bet he was pressured to do so.
2. The Ramseys ALWAYS took lots of pictures and videos on Christmas - except THAT one. Many people think it is because JAR does appear in them. This is also one of the reasons why I believe JR got lawyers for both JAR and his mother. NO need for lawyers if JAR was really in Georgia with his mother. EVERY reason to need a lawyer if he was really in Boulder. They main reason is that a lawyer can prevent prosecutors from asking questions. Or asking for photo evidence he was with his mother that day.
3. Private planes don't have to file flight plans, so we will never know. Any testimony he might have has not been made public.
4. Interesting bargaining point. I don't know of any one else who'd be allowed that kind of thing. The only reason is because they wanted to be sure JAR could not be questioned, and they wanted to be sure Melinda could not be asked about the whereabouts of JAR that day.
5. It was JAR's blanket and semen in his suitcase, but the book was a children's book. Was it his or did it belong to one of his younger siblings? The Ramseys claimed that suitcase was one that was used by JAR to go back and forth.
6. Apparently, there WERE a lot of Monday visits by JB to the school nurse. JAR went to school just minutes away. He had PLENTY of access to JB. If not daily, then certainly whenever he came home. His bedroom was next to JB's.
7. I don't recall if Nedra or her husband had lawyers. Anyone know?
8. The ATM pictures WERE grainy - and the guy in the photo had on a baseball cap that obscured his face. It really could have been anyone. It could have been someone he asked to go on his behalf AFTER the crime while he was still in Boulder and knew he needed a alibi. He could have called a friend in Georgia. There may have been an extra card he kept there, not too unusual if you spend a lot of time going back and forth between the two places - this way you don't have to worry about forgetting it.
Interesting point about the "Monday morning school nurse visits". The school refused to provide JB's records (including the visits to the nurse), and the DA refused a warrant for them.
When, in the case of one of their young students being murdered, has a school ever refused to provide the police with ANY and ALL records of the child, especially if it might help find the "real killer".
Oh.....I forgot. They must have refused BECAUSE it might help find the "real killer".
JonBenet's teachers noted that sometime in December 1996, JonBenet developed a clinginess to her mother which they thought unusual for the ordinarily independent, self assured child. It had always been apparent that there was an extreme closeness between JonBenet and her mother, appeared to be overly protective, but this change in JonBenet appeared to be an even more exaggerated degree of closeness. [Source]
One of the signs of child abuse is when the child exhibits symptoms of genital discomfort on a MONDAY. True.
Note: In Burke's lawsuit against Spitz, it is mentioned that the fecal smearing never happened (page 11, number 63): https://shakedowntitle.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/view-full-spitz-document-here.pdf
ST: And, I have spoken with Linda, and she's identified this suitcase as belonging to, well not necessarily belonging to, but a suitcase that she has used and that John Andrew has used, and that John Andrew likely had left at your house.
PR: Right.
ST: Do you recognize that blue suitcase?
PR: Yes.
ST: OK. Can you tell me anything about it?
PR: Well, just it's old hard Samsonite or whatever, you know.
ST: And what this something that John Andrew left at the 15th Street home while he went to school at CU?
PR: Yeah, yeah, that's to my recollection. Yeah, he moved out here with a bunch of stuff and then he left a lot of stuff at our house that he didn't want to take to the dorm.
ST: Do you know where he kept that in your home, or where you last saw that?
PR: No, I don't remember where I last saw it.
ST: OK.
PR: He, I don't know.
ST: Where would John Andrew store his other items and affects?
PR: Some of the things are in his room, I think in the closet, and I think he put a bunch of stuff down in the basement. A computer, he had a computer and a printer, and I think that might have been in the basement too. It's pretty big, I think it was in the basement.
ST: Do you know what room in the basement he would have, his stuff was stored in? Was it in the train room, or the-
PR: It wasn't, I don't know now, there was so much stuff down there. I can, it could have been anywhere.
Teresa replied:
"One of the signs of child abuse is when the child exhibits symptoms of genetic discomfort on a Monday."
Ding ding. When a child exhibited this symptom in my class as a teacher my internal alarm went off. It's like someone tapping you on the shoulder and saying PAY ATTENTION.
Is it common for children who are being molested to tell their siblings? Remember when Burke was being interviewed by LE, he said that he had secrets and that it wouldn't be a secret if he told anyone them? Could he be talking about a secret JonBenet told him?
SunnieRN replied to the following quote:
Does anyone else think Mike Archuletta may have gotten a really big bonus that year? Unless I'm mistaken, Mike's wife has publicly admitted that all the "extra" help he provided the Ramseys cost them their marriage.
The R's later gave Mike their plane. I have no idea if it was because they could no longer afford it, or if it was for services rendered.
I have no idea why there was such a pronounced and markedly difference in his mourning of his two daughters. I do question the reason behind it, and can only surmise that if another of his children were behind JonBenets death, I believe he would have gone into survival mode for his other offspring.
eileenhawkeye replied:
When Burke was going to be re-interviewed, CNN had an article about it and you could comment. This was one of the comments:
My dad's best friend was a neighbor of the Ramseys and a friend of Patsy's. He's always believed the most likely suspect was John Ramsey's older son from a previous marriage (and that John Ramsey's wealth was the motive for what was meant to be a kidnapping/ransom attempt, which went wrong). It would explain how intruders could know the layout of the house even though the oldest son was in another state at the time. I don't really know anything about the oldest son, and he may be a perfectly decent person, but I think the scenario sounds plausible.
I'm skeptical of people who claim to have a close/intimate connection to this case due to how notorious it is. However, the Ramseys did have neighbors so there are people out there who were friends with their neighbors, so this post could be legitimate. Now, if it's true, then why did the neighbor suspect JAR? If he or she was a friend of Patsy's, then they had probably met JAR on some occasions. Was there something they didn't like about him? Could this neighbor be Barnhill? It says, "Friend of Patsy's" though so that makes me think it's a woman. Maybe his wife? Was he a widower when JBR was murdered?
Here's another tidbit about JAR that I found on another forum, which was found on another forum, so who knows how legitimate it is, but I'll post it anyway:
Classmates of JAR have stated for the record that he talked about JonBenet all the time... How beautiful she was and how much he loved her. He was fixated on her...Probably just a proud older brother talking but some of classmates thought is was strange to say the least.http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonbenet-ramsey/T3DDHBE5VJGAEF5OT/p2 (Patricia Fox, Nov 14, 2006)
singularity replied:
The info/rumors regarding JAR's "obsession" with JonBenet go back much further than that. It's really unfortunate that all the crime sites from the late 1990s no longer exist. It may be impossible to trace it back to its original source(s).
That poster, Patricia Fox, mentions JAR in some other posts there.
I have always believed that the items found in suitcase had been there ever since JAR left suitcase there and that when John Ramsey moved the suitcase from place to place, he was not aware anything was in that suitcase. I am sure it came as a complete shock to John and Patsy when suitcase was opened and JAR's semen stained blanket and JonBenet's book were discovered inside.
IMO, she had multiple abusers, and he is fairly high on the list of suspects in that regard. Just because he didn't kill her doesn't mean he deserves a free pass. If the abuse played a role in lighting the fuse for her eventual murder, he is a key player in the days/weeks/months leading up to her murder.
I agree the contents of the suitcase are odd in the fact there's nothing in it but those items. If part of a prior staging, what in the hell are John and/or Patsy doing placing those two items that can link things to JAR in the suitcase? What were they trying to convey with such a layer of staging? The contents of that suitcase scream one person's name....JAR.
As for moving photographs into the basement, where else are they going to place them? Imagine you're the Ramseys and JAR's room contains some interesting items. Do you leave them all there for the cops to see or do you toss them down into the basement? There are other odd items in his room but apparently only felt the need to toss things directly related to JB down there. In the transcripts other items in his room are discussed and Patsy does what Patsy does best....plays dumb while being the smartest person in the room during the interview(s).
It's an absolute outrage that John and Patsy were not grilled on this but instead just got to sit there while Lou Smit pretends it was used as a step for the intruder and John plays pretend right along with him.
FrankieB replied:
Re: JAR's bedroom: Apparently it was full of cleaning liquid, rope and some objects Patsy could not identify. Also, I read one corner of the bed suggested somebody had come out from under it? Judging by how the blanket/sheet was pulled slightly up. Don't know what to make of all this.
Re: The Suitcase: Is it true, to date, we don't know the specific title of the Dr. Seuss book in the suitcase? If this book combined with the semen stained blanket were part of a staging idea, what was it exactly? I can't even begin to comprehend it, any idea??
TOM HANEY: Did John Andrew have a Dr. Seuss book?
PATSY RAMSEY: Did John Andrew have a Dr. Seuss book?'
TOM HANEY: Or when he was older, like now?
PATSY RAMSEY: I hope not. He is supposed to have college books, not Dr. Seuss books. Why would you ask such a question?
TOM HANEY: Well, that is because in that suitcase was a Dr. Seuss book.
PATSY RAMSEY: What book was it? Did it have any kid's name in it?
TRIP DEMUTH: That I don't know. I think it had John Andrew's name in it.
PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, it did?
TRIP DEMUTH: I think. I haven't personally seen it.
PATSY RAMSEY: (Inaudible) I don't know. You got me. I don't know.
TOM HANEY: Okay. And 286 would be next.
PATSY RAMSEY: This is the John Andrew's room again, that fabric.
TRIP DEMUTH: Do you know what piece of furniture that is that the fabric is on?
PATSY RAMSEY: I can't tell. A chair covering it when they were tossing pillows and the dust
ruffle and the draperies coming down. (Inaudible). I don't know. A little purple bow or something.
A wooden something? That fabric? More videos?
So, basically there are five photographs (at least) of JAR's room that defy explanation and they aren't too keen on getting to the bottom of it....
TRIP DeMUTH: That doesn't jog any bells, though, telling you it's in a bag by the chair in John Andrew's bedroom?
PATSY RAMSEY: No.
TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.
TOM HANEY: And the next photo is marked 120TET8.
PATSY RAMSEY: Are we looking for anything special here?
TOM HANEY: Do you see anything unusual in there?
PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I don't know what this -- that looks like cleaning fluid or Windex or something. I don't know what that would be doing sitting down there.
TOM HANEY: Uh-huh (yes).
PATSY RAMSEY: That's strange. I can't tell what that is.
Another strange item, and she also points out a bottle of cleaning fluid. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why cleaning fluid is in that room.
More cleaning fluid and the subject of the scarf comes up....
TRIP DeMUTH: It's a red object under the table?
PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.
PATSY RAMSEY: There's -- looks like that scarf that we've seen previously.
TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. Black and red scarf on the bar.
PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
TRIP DeMUTH: Looks like it -- where does it look like it is in this photo?
PATSY RAMSEY: What, the scarf?
TRIP DeMUTH: Uh-huh (yes).
PATSY RAMSEY: Hanging on, hanging on the little ledge there by the bar. Is that where it
was on the other one?
TRIP DeMUTH: The other photo we looked at it was on the bar itself.
PATSY RAMSEY: It was on the bar. This just looks strange to me.
TRIP DeMUTH: Cleaning?
PATSY RAMSEY: Cleaning, Windex or whatever that is.
TRIP DeMUTH: Underneath the table?
PATSY RAMSEY: (Inaudible.) I mean, I just don't know why it would be there. It would either be in the cleaning closet or under the kitchen sink or somewhere (inaudible).
TOM HANEY: On the top of the file of books --
PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
singularity replied:
UK brought up a good point on how the suitcase may have been used to move certain items to the basement although this doesn't explain why the blanket and book are still in it.
You're right that the suitcase may have had other things in it but they didn't release the info regarding all its contents. This is why the case is so confusing and frustrating....we know they never released all the evidence. It took many years for people to find out that a doll was in the wine cellar.
Even though we have not seen the photographs, they are down there for a reason. If its just some innocent tossing of photographs, why isn't every photograph in the house down there? Because there's no reason for them to be. Only certain photographs need to be distanced from the family and even then, it shows their chaotic thinking under pressure because even if you're dumping photographs in the basement, it is still in your house. Yes they have been moved from point A to point B and while we can speculate on where point A was, point B is in close proximity to her body and if we follow the bread crumbs by looking at pictures of the crime scene, its only logical that point A was the room of the house in most disarray, which is JAR's room.
We have no idea of knowing what she is doing in the photographs and if we knew it would be very telling. On the other hand, even if they are photographs similar to the type we have already seen, it shows that someone had themselves a collection of her photos and it wouldn't have looked very good had they been left where they were originally kept.
Like I mentioned before, I believe that second cigar box contained something besides cigars. John intentionally distances himself from it. It's also the box that Fleet White touched on his last trip to the basement (as well as the piece of tape).
FrankieB replied:
The adult Dr. Seuss book was used to groom JonBenét into being comfortable naked. What is unclear to me is if this happened on the night she died or before.
I also noticed the source for this claim is a screen shot from a list shown in a television program but nobody has cleared this up: is that list an actual leaked document?
Also take a look at the interrogation with Patsy: she is asked if Andrew owned a Dr. Seuss book and she replies he should have college books, not Dr. Seuss books. She asks if the book has a kid's name on it, they tell her it actually has JAR's name on it, the end...so? What happened then?
And, I still do not understand the book and blanket being where they were found. Can we be sure they were the two sole items in the suitcase? There are so many items we don't know about...
I just remembered reading here (can't remember the thread) that JonBenét felt very shy taking her clothes off in front of adults (as any normal child I suppose). It would be helpful to remember who said this. When I read it I didn't give it any particular significance but now that it's been proposed the book was the adult Dr. Seuss, it does make sense it was being used to groom her into viewing nudity differently...a big stretch or possible?
Thanks to the work of ACandyRose, midwest mama, and DeDee, it was most likely this book described at Wikipedia:
The Seven Lady Godivas: The True Facts Concerning History's Barest Family is a picture book of the tale of Lady Godiva, written and illustrated by Dr. Seuss. One of Seuss's few books written for adults, its original 1939 publication by Random House was a failure and was eventually remaindered. However, it later gained popularity as Seuss himself grew in fame, and was republished in 1987 by "multitudinous demand". The book recounts in prose the tale of seven Godiva sisters, none of whom ever wear clothing. The explanation for their nakedness, even when walking in snow, is that "they were simply themselves and chose not to disguise it."
More about it, as well as the illustrations here:
Discussions about it can be found in the following two threads beginning on the referenced pages:
Agatha_C replied:
In the movie "Sleepers" (based on true facts), two boys had gone to a correctional facility and were molested by some of the guards. Years later the boys, now men, run into one of the guards (Kevin Bacon) and they shoot him dead (if you saw the movie, you wouldn't have really blamed them). To make a long story short, a local priest (Robert De Niro) who had befriended the boys chose to lie for the now murders and claimed they had been with him at a Celtics game at the time of the murder (months earlier), and to back up his claim he provided all three ticket stubs (a month after the murder). The guys had not been with him, it had been months since the game and yet the priest was able to provide the stubs.
Four months later a friend of JAR turned over his movie stub. How did this young man still have that stub? Could he have gotten it like the priest, through conspiracy?
The movie "Sleepers" came out on October 18, 1996, just months before JonBenet was murdered.
DeeDee249 replied:
For what it's worth: My daughter was a senior in college in 1996. She was not in Boulder, but her boyfriend was a student at Boulder. She visited him that February, just 2 months after the murder. The case was still white hot there in Boulder. I wasn't into it then, but when my daughter got home she said that her boyfriend told her that many kids at the university (including him) - when the case hit the news - the first person they thought of as far as who had done it was JAR. They thought he was "weird" and obsessed with his 6-year old half-sister. Not one of them hesitated or had second thoughts about who had done this.
While many might believe that JAR may have friends, enemies or people who knew of him and his money (and I am SURE he bragged about that) and that one of them may have done this - it still doesn't explain the lack of intruder DNA anywhere else in the house or crime scene (apart from her clothing, which REAL experts have said that may not actually rule out the Rs at all if the sample is a mixed sample). It also doesn't explain the RN being in Patsy's handwriting or knowing the bonus amount. And it doesn't explain the family covering for a person like this, friend of JAR or not.
UKGuy replied:
In the context of JAR's obsession. Can I mention his stuff being dumped into the basement and the collection of photographs discovered in the basement whose subject was JonBenet.
Could there be a link? I reckon there might be.
Patsy's 1998 BPD Interview Excerpt:
In the beginning, it seems like he is asking if any prints of JBR were kept in the laundry room. Then the question seems to be whether JBR was ever photographed in the laundry room. It sounds like they were pictures of JBR taken in the basement, which is strange, since their basement wasn't finished so I doubt they spent a lot of time down there.
THOMAS HANEY: Did you take some photographs of JonBenet in the basement laundry room?
PATSY RAMSEY: No.
TRIP DeMUTH: You had presents in the basement laundry room, right?
PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
TRIP DeMUTH: So you wrapped presents in the basement laundry room, right?
PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
TRIP DeMUTH: So you were down in the basement laundry room pretty often?
PATSY RAMSEY: Depending on what time of year it was, yeah, uh-hum.
TRIP DeMUTH: And do you remember photographs being -- photographs of JonBenet being in there?
PATSY RAMSEY: Taken of her in the laundry room?
TRIP DeMUTH: No, no. Photographs of her located in the laundry room?
PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, in the laundry room, oh. I don't know, there was a bunch of stuff. I mean wrapping stuff and everything. I don't remember any photographs.
TRIP DeMUTH: Is there any reason why there would be photographs of JonBenet located in the laundry room?
PATSY RAMSEY: No. Were there -- I mean, did somebody find them there?
TRIP DeMUTH: If there were, would that be out of place for you?
PATSY RAMSEY: It would seem to be out of place. I kept wrapping materials and sometimes I worked, wrapping station, Christmas paper and --
TRIP DeMUTH: Would -- who else had access to the laundry room, who else would go in there? I know everybody would have access, but who else would use it? Would the boys play in there? Would John go down there?
PATSY RAMSEY: I mean anybody could, but I mean the boys could come down and go in the train room, we had the train set up. In the far back in through there, you know. Not in the laundry, really, area.
TRIP DeMUTH: Did anybody besides you use that laundry room?
PATSY RAMSEY: Sometimes Linda would wash, if we were washing comforters or something, because those were big heavy-duty laundry machines, she'd take the things in there, rugs and things, and wash them down there.
TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.
THOMAS HANEY: So you don't recall taking a photo of her down there?
PATSY RAMSEY: (Shaking head.)
THOMAS HANEY: If she was doing something really cutesy or something, would you maybe run and get the camera, take one of her?
PATSY RAMSEY: Of her in the laundry room?
THOMAS HANEY: Uh-hum.
PATSY RAMSEY: No.
DeeDee249 replied:
JAR might have been in the video, and maybe that's why it was "missing".
Also, it is odd that JR hired lawyers for JAR's MOTHER. Why would she need a lawyer? She was not a suspect. The only reason she'd need a lawyer is to be protected from answering questions about JAR's whereabouts Christmas day, and any photographic evidence refuting that claim.
There are SO many different Ramseys who could have been involved in this - Patsy, JR, JAR, BR, even DP. That's why I can never narrow it down to the point where I am SURE who did this.
I've always been suspicious of his whereabouts. I know all about the alibi: the ATM photo where you can't really see the face of the person at the machine, the movie ticket (which proves nothing).
I guess what makes me suspicious is that JR got his ex-wife and son a lawyer almost immediately. WHY? If there were not in Boulder they would have nothing to hide. But it was obvious the Rs did not want them talking to police.
This is hearsay, but I know someone who attended the U of Colorado in Boulder that year. He did not know JAR personally, but he knew who he was - he was fairly well known on campus. I spoke to this kid when he was home on break and as soon as he heard about what happened, he said he thought JAR had to have something to do with it. He said JAR was "obsessed" with his little sister to the point that it was weird.
joeskidbeck replied:
While I agree with all the questions surrounding JR lawyering up his ex and children, I cannot understand why he didn't do the same for Patsy's family. This, for me anyway, is an indication that JR had no desire to do so, which makes me believe that one of them is quite possibly involved. If we truly believe that JonBenet was being molested prior to her death, then it stands to reason that it was someone in her family. It just makes sense that John would not have wanted to help that person whatsoever. In my theory of what happened that night, the only variable is the person Patsy caught molesting her daughter. Would JR have been willing to provide legal help for that person? Especially if that person was not a member of his family?
Maikai replied to the following quote:
How do you know that LE didn't follow the leads? I believe JR said that LE did question friends of JARs. So how do you know, that they weren't the friends in question?
JAR said they didn't in a question and answer session with him. And we know the Boulder police didn't follow all the leads.
ncc replied:
Long time lurker, first time poster. I have been researching this case for a long time now and have examined a lot of the evidence in this case. Every time I look at the evidence I keep going back to JAR. The suitcase in the basement, the stained blanket, the rope that was traced back to him. There are too many variables that point to him. The ATM photograph that supposedly exonerated him is blurry and could be anyone with a hat over their face. I was reading a couple of years ago where a poster had constructed a timeline that showed how it was possible for JAR to fly to Boulder, commit the crime, and then fly back to Atlanta by the morning. Does anyone know if that timeline still exists?
Why there were fibers from JBR shirt on the comforter in the suitcase?
Charterhouse replied to the following quote:
Someone probably wrapped her in said comforter, changed their mind, and put it in the suitcase. When the comforter was removed from her, it picked up fibers from her top. And, if I remember correctly, it was her first time wearing that item of clothing.
I vaguely remember someone saying they checked at the store that JBR's top was purchased from and it was a new design that year. Someone had that baby all over that house.
bettybaby00 replied to the following quote:
Didn't he say that the killer deserved forgiveness? Very odd response to such a brutal murder of his half-sister.
Yup, beyond bizarre IMO, just like dear old dad's comments. I'm not advocating they start ranting and raving about personally killing the perpetrator, but where's the outrage? Where's the demand for justice for their brutally murdered family member?
DeeDee249 replied:
I have always felt that the "Proof" that JAR was not in Boulder that day was full of holes. For one, the blurry ATM photo which shows only a guy in a baseball cap (as you stated) and the existence of a movie ticket stub - as if that can actually prove he was the one who bought it and was in the movie at the time. Add that to the statement of neighbor (the late) Joe Barnhill that he saw JAR going up the front walk that day and the instant lawyering up of JAR's mother (JR's first wife) and I am pretty sure that he was in Boulder when JB was killed. Remember that he had access to private planes - yes, he COULD have gotten to Boulder in time to be there Christmas night.
Why would you still have a ticket stub? Unless you are a teenage girl who scrapbooks and the movie had some sentimental significance, why would anyone keep a movie ticket stub? Odd "coincidence" for it to turn up in a pocket.
I don't buy for one minute that a college age kid/male would have a ticket stub just laying around for months and, just when its needed, he finds it.
mountvernoncc replied to the following quote:
So if you reckon JAR, hey why not, then why do Patsy and John stage and defend him?
The same reason many feel that they would defend Burke. He's family. He's JR's son and even though he may have committed the crime. Family image and reputation obviously meant a lot to the Ramseys, both Patsy and John, and if one of their children had committed the crime it would have destroyed that image once and for all. So, they staged the crime and tried to make it look like an outsider killed JonBenet.
UKGuy wrote:
The Ramseys really staged an abduction, and they must have expected JonBenet to be found prior to the ransom deadline. It never happened so John found JonBenet, and later agreed with Lou Smit that it was all the work of a nasty pedophile who crawled in the through the window.
The R's image and reputation was destroyed the minute the 911 call was made. No amount of blaming or staging intruders could or will ever reverse the reputational damage done to the R's. Those pageant videos playing out on the news bulletins, the knowledge that JonBenet was sexually assaulted and that she was wearing size-12 Bloomingdales at autopsy. Everyone and their dog knows something bad happened behind the drawn curtains/blinds in the Ramsey Household.
Mollyandme replied:
Thank you to whoever recommended "Perfect Murder Perfect Town". I watched it on youtube last night, and there are about 24 sections of it. It was good and showed a lot of the inside workings of the corruption between LE and the DA's office. I found it interesting that the detectives said her gravestone is 12/25, Christmas, not 12/26, which detectives thought indicated the Ramseys knew she was killed shortly after they got home from their Christmas parties.
MJenn's full research and timeline relating to JAR is no longer available; however, there is a bit of an overview here.
Put the garrote in Patsy's hands
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showpost.php?p=14791&postcount=46
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showpost.php?p=14826&postcount=51
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showpost.php?p=14897&postcount=56
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showpost.php?p=14907&postcount=59
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showpost.php?p=15248&postcount=66
'My Theory'
JonBenet's Other Brother
Camper replied:
Again, from the southern states, Georgia, demon booze could be blamed for the crime, NOT the son, in 'their' opinions; and they would cover for the son, to get him 'help'. My opinion. Losing three children in quick succession could cause the family such horrible trauma. JAR's media comment about forgiveness for the killer is a mighty one. I thought so then, and I still think so.
lannie replied:
I think the AEA practices used on JB were used so she would not remember the sex part. My sister-in-law would have her head held under the tub's running water while she was being molested by her stepfather. She told me all she could think of was that she was drowning and that she felt pain back there. This is a common practice of child molesters, at least the so called smart ones, the ones who never get caught.
calicocat replied:
I originally did not consider JAR as a suspect since he was cleared by the Boulder Police. But after reading this thread, new ideas have come to mind. The blue suitcase belonged to JAR. It was found in the basement next to JBR's body, containing his semen-stained blanket and a Dr. Seuss book. It was described by one reader as a "pedophile's briefcase". I was wondering, could the garrote, blanket and book have been hidden in the briefcase, to be used Christmas night on JBR? Suppose JAR wanted to experiment with the garrote (EA) on JonBenet, and unknowingly took the experiment too far. JAR appears extremely distraught in the cemetery picture taken of him at JBR's gravesite. There is nothing to suggest that he and JBR were ever close. And he did say that he felt the murderer should receive forgiveness. Could his tears be the result of guilt and remorse?
As far as his alibi, two college friends and his sister and mother state that he was in Atlanta at the time. The police cleared him as a suspect based on that information, but was any of it proven?
Why would anyone still have the movie ticket stubs and bank receipt some four months later, unless they were purposely kept as a rememberence of something special? If it is true that JAR was in Atlanta, I guess on Christmas break from college, does he have any proof, airplane ticket, etc., showing how he got there and when?
TLynn relied:
JAR once related his family to the one in the movie ransom (with Mel Gibson), thought they were similar - JAR also stated the killer should receive "forgiveness."
It's my understanding JAR had alcohol and violence in his background.
JAR may have resented the "new" family. He and his two friends were all from Atlanta and went to school in Colorado (were they the "small foreign faction?").
JAR was cleared as a negotiation deal to get the Ramseys to agree to an "interview."
JAR had legal representation (Patsy's side of the family did not). The police were not allowed to go near JAR.
The alibi of that night is suspicious. As JAR drove his car to C. Stanley's, from there they went to a movie - after that they went back to Stanley's house to get JAR's car - THEN, Stanley follows JAR home and stays over - BUT JAR had to be up at 6 am for a flight.
Now, what college kid would spend the night with a friend who had to leave at 6 am - PERHAPS they wanted to be each other's alibi for the whole night.
An alleged photo was taken at the ATM where JAR got money (could that have been Brad Millard with his hat pulled over his face- using JAR's card as an alibi?").
Did Millard also buy the movie tickets? What college kids would still have an ATM receipt and movie tickets months later to provide as an alibi (unless they purposely held onto them for that reason).
The police have given JAR the window of time to be able to be in Colorado - ALSO, keep in mind there is a time difference between GA & CO.
The sudden change to Michigan for Christmas - which was never done before, and it was done at the last minute - could it have been because JAR was possibly "caught with JonBenet" and kicked out of the house? Hence, the last minute Christmas in Michigan.
Melinda's room is still called "Melinda's Room" - BUT JAR's room is now called the "GUEST ROOM." There was no mention of JAR in DOI.
John Andrew Ramsey on ABC's 2020 (premiered January 2021)
The dictionary was open to "incest" - Could Patsy have tried to explain to JonBenet what had possibly happened?
Yes, Patsy WOULD cover for JAR - John had already lost one daughter, Beth, now a second daughter, JonBenet - wouldn't she help him save his son?
What has already been established was JAR's semen was found at the crime scene - it was his suitcase, his flashlight, Barnhill states he saw JAR outside the Ramsey home on December 25th.
The Ramsey plane has already been discussed on another thread.
John Andrew Ramsey was one of John Bennett Ramsey’s children from a previous marriage. He was 20 years old at the time of his half sister’s death and had reportedly arrived at his father’s home later that day when he learned what had happened.
When he was a guest on The Killing of JonBenet: The Final Suspects podcast, he recalled the day of the murder. He had spent Christmas with his sister Melinda and his mother in Atlanta and was flying to meet his father the next day.
John Andrew Ramsey said on the podcast that someone told him he needed to call home when he got off the airplane in Minneapolis, and he said that when he called his father told him JonBenet had been kidnapped.
He then flew to Boulder to get to his father’s house where he learned that his dad had recently found his sister dead in the basement.
“[We] arrived right as [or] just after they had found the body,” John Andrew says in episode 3 of the podcast. “They were walking out of the house. So it was quite a scene. … My dad said [something] to the effect that JonBenét is in heaven or has been killed.”
“It was the day after Christmas, and I had spent Christmas with my sister Melinda and mother in Atlanta. And the day after Christmas, we were flying to meet my dad and Patsy and family,” John Andrew, 43, recalls in the “Killing of JonBenét: The Final Suspects” podcast. “The plan was to meet in Minneapolis. So we were flying to Minneapolis, got off the airplane and — I can’t remember if someone handed me a note, you know, a flight attendant or somebody, [but] they pulled me aside and said, ‘You need to call home,’ essentially. I got a pay phone and called my dad, and he told me that JonBenét had been kidnapped.”
John Andrew then “made the split-second decision” to fly to his father’s home in Boulder, Colorado. Upon John Andrew and Melinda’s arrival, they received devastating news about JonBenét: their dad, John Ramsey, had discovered the 6-year-old dead in the basement.
John’s wife, Patsy Ramsey, was “on the floor, just devastated,” John Andrew recounts. “Burke had this look of innocence on him walking in there, kind of a big, awkward smile. Kind of like, ‘Oh, I know this is not good. All these people around me are crying. Our mother’s on the floor.’ But he’s just a 9-year-old. Just awful.”
By SheilaSherlockHolmes
LOU SMIT: By the way, where was John Andrew's car at night?
JOHN RAMSEY: He had parked it, I think down near where he lived on the hill. And (INAUDIBLE) parking in the driveway or something like that.
Barnhill thought he saw John Andrew in Boulder Christmas day; John Andrew and Melinda are being publicly cleared 03/07/1997.
To cut to the chase - we know he was in Georgia when JonBenet was murdered. That is why you see little discussion of him.
Hi, I’ve only recently come across this case properly, and was instantly engrossed, and started reading everything there is.
What do we know about John Andrew?
I have seen very little discussion of him, but it seems that if JAR did it, it would fill a lot of the loopholes and gaps, and solve a lot of the problems with the other theories.
A neighbor saw a man that he thought was JAR at the front of the Ramsey house on 12/25/1996, but later dismissed it.
There would be no question of JAR having the strength to inflict the head blow (as with the question about Burke).
JonBenét would get out of bed for JAR, and willingly go downstairs with him without making a struggle.
Drawers open in JAR’s room, things out of place, and the bag and rope in there.
JAR sailed boats and did mountain climbing, so he knew knots.
JAR was JNBR’s half-brother, rather than full brother, so there would be less aversion to sexually abusing her (less than Burke, who was a full brother and actually lives with her).
JAR was not Patsy’s son, but step-son. I think this could explain why John was more in control and calm in interviews, because he cared more about protecting his son. Patsy was less controlled and showed more emotion and disgust, as she may not have been happy with covering up for JAR and protecting him if he had killed her daughter.
The main argument against BRDI is that they wouldn’t need to protect Burke because he was too young to be prosecuted. It could have been passed off as an accident between young siblings playing together, and he would not have faced any criminal consequences. This is not the case with JAR, he could have been prosecuted and charged with murder (ie. possible life imprisonment or death sentence). They would have more reason to protect JAR, but I can imagine Patsy being disgusted with doing it.
He answers all the other criteria of someone who knows the house and family.
What if the phone call that was overheard when John was making arrangements for a flight to Atlanta was actually making travel arrangements for John Andrew? That would make much more sense than a father trying to disappear. If nobody knew he was there, he could slip away quietly.
I work in Law, and there is one very specific and particular reason that the Ramseys instructed two separate lawyers, one each, rather than one lawyer acting jointly for them as a couple. At least at the early stages, before suspicion really grew, you would expect them to instruct one family lawyer together. The reason is called conflict of interest. It means that the advice the lawyers needed to give John and Patsy may have been different, and may have directly conflicted. Ie. One lawyer may have defended one client by implicating the other client. They were being treated and defended individually for a specific reason.
I think this reason could have been JAR. John would be more invested in protecting his son than Patsy.
June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Keys, Dr. Suess, Garage door openers)
LOU SMIT: And I would like to ask you just some questions. Do you know what a sham is or a duvet?
JOHN RAMSEY: (Shaking head).
LOU SMIT: Two type of things?
JOHN RAMSEY: Sham is a blanket, right? But duvet, I don't know.
LOU SMIT: Do you recall any shams or duvets being in your house? I know if you don't know what a duvet is, you probably don't know to say it was in there but --
JOHN RAMSEY: No, I don't. A sham, I mean I don't know if I know what a sham was, a small blanket. That's purely a guess, but we had lots of little blankets and stuff like that around.
LOU SMIT: How about a Dr. Suess book, do you remember anything in a Dr. Suess book, either associated with John Andrew or associated with JonBenet or anything that --
JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we had lots of kids' books. We had bookshelves full of them. I know that they had -- I know I read to 'em, Dr. Suess books, so I am sure they were there.
LOU SMIT: Do you know why there would be a sham and duvet and a Dr. Suess book in that suitcase?
JOHN RAMSEY: Could you tell me what a duvet is?
LOU SMIT: A duvet is also something that fits on like on a couch or almost a little blanket that fits on a couch.
JOHN RAMSEY: A square or does it fit?
LOU SMIT: Yes. I have never seen this, I don't have a photograph of it, but can you think of why there would be a sham or duvet in John Andrew's suitcase along with a Dr. Suess book?
JOHN RAMSEY: No. My recollection of where that suitcase came from was he brought some clothes from Atlanta, where he went to school, and when the kid left to go to school be and every port in a storm in his apartment, and it ended up and it was in his room for a while, then it was in the laundry room outside of his room for a while, and then I carried it downstairs. I presumed it was empty.
LOU SMIT: I appreciate if you wouldn't just talk to John Andrew about that right now. I would like to ask him that.
JOHN RAMSEY: You want me to talk to him right now?
LOU SMIT: We can talk to him either today or tomorrow, that's fine.
VOICE: You said dump truck.
VOICE: I would like to talk to him and ask him that question. So there is no misunderstanding.
VOICE: We will arrange that.
LOU SMIT: So that was just a question I had on that.
JOHN RAMSEY: It seems a bit odd, I don't know why it would be -- (INAUDIBLE) --
LOU SMIT: All right. This is getting way off of that. Do you know who brought John Andrew to the airport, when he left for Atlanta?
JOHN RAMSEY: I think it probably was Melinda and Stuart, who were with him. You mean to come to Minneapolis?
LOU SMIT: No, I am talking about Boulder to Atlanta.
JOHN RAMSEY: He -- oh, leaving for Christmas?
LOU SMIT: Yes, leaving for Christmas.
JOHN RAMSEY: I don't. He would either usually take the airporter. He usually took the airporter. But I know he left his car parked, I think, at friend's, driveway kind of thing.
LOU SMIT: You don't know the name of the friend?
JOHN RAMSEY: I don't, but John would, I am sure.
1999-02-18: "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, JonBenet and the City of Boulder"
Written by Lawrence Schiller, February 18, 1999
"Two and a half months after the Boulder police began investigating John Andrew and Melinda Ramsey, they received the final pieces of evidence that cleared Ramsey's older children of any involvement in JonBenet's murder.
Bryan Morgan wrote to Detective Thomas on March 4 stating that John Andrew had made an ATM transaction at the QT Store on Roswell Road, in Marietta, Georgia, at 9:00 P.M. on December 25. His friend Brad Millard had been present. To support his claim, Morgan enclosed the ATM transaction slip.
He also repeated that Melinda had awakened her brother in the early morning hours of December 26, in time for him to stop at a store and still make an 8:30 A.M. flight to Minneapolis. It was impossible for John Andrew to have flown from Atlanta to Boulder, whether by commercial or private aircraft, commit the murder, and return in time to be awakened by his sister in the presence of Brad Millard, who had stayed overnight in John Andrew's room.
Morgan also wrote that John Andrew hadn't been in Charlevoix, Michigan, on either the Memorial Day or the July Fourth 1996 week. The accusation of a one-time police informant that John Andrew had tried to stage an "accidental death" in order to kill JonBenet was clearly preposterous.
Morgan again requested an official announcement that John Andrew was no longer a possible suspect.
By now the police had received the test results from John Andrew and Melinda's hair, blood, and handwriting. At the time, the only possible match to evidence found at the crime scene was the pubic hair found on the white blanket in the basement, which held some slight similarities to Melinda's.
But her alibi was even tighter than her brother's, and it was not likely that she had used the same blanket when she stayed with the family. The next day the police informed the DA's office that they would make a public statement regarding Ramsey's older children within the week.
2000-04-11: “JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation”
by Steve Thomas and Don Davis, April 11, 2000
The Ramseys were among dozens of people who would give handwriting exemplars in the case. To keep the comparisons accurate, we had them all write a mock business document, called the London Letter, which incorporates a variety of characters and punctuation. They also, wrote a series of words from the ransom note - Mr. Ramsey, John, withdraw, family, attache, daughter, S.B.T.C., your, delivery, 100%, killing, instructions, countermeasures, $118,000, difficult, authorities, and bank.
While Arndt handled the writing samples, the elder kids of John Ramsey from his first marriage were made available for interviews and evidence samples.
Melinda Ramsey, 22, wore a white pullover and jeans, and her eyes were puffy from weeping. She was attractive and polite when a detective and a sheriff's investigator began questioning her, but by the time the interview was done she was left with her head buried in her arms, crying. They had pressed her hard about the possibility of inappropriate sexual behavior in the family. Melinda vehemently denied that, and in fact revealed nothing of significance, since she was in Atlanta at the time of the murder. She had been caught in a web not of her own making, and the interview left her with a bad taste about dealing with police.
Gosage and I interviewed twenty-year-old John Andrew Ramsey. He was a lanky young man with dark eyes and short dark hair, who wore a checkered shirt, a winter jacket, and an attitude. When the blood tech moved close with her needle, the former Eagle Scout, who was now a third-semester sophomore at the University of Colorado, whispered, "I may pass out."
Although he also claimed to have been in Atlanta when the crime occurred, we had to check him out because of the neighbor who had reported seeing him on Christmas Day. We had to determine who was right.
We asked him to put his thoughts on paper, and he wrote a document that brimmed with feelings about his little stepsister being murdered, giving us a glimpse into his world. He caught our attention immediately by writing, "I think it was someone that had intimate knowledge of my family and how we lived day to day. Why would they leave the ransom note on the back staircase instead of the front?" Good question, I thought. How would a stranger know which stairway Patsy Ramsey would come down that morning?
He ridiculed the idea of a small foreign faction being involved, was certain the crime had nothing to do with his father's company, and questioned why a ransom note was left at all. "Why did they ask for $118,000? I could pay that amount," he wrote. Someone was envious of their wealth and thought of the Ramseys as "rich bastards," he said.
John Andrew told us that whoever did this was probably uneducated, were amateurs at kidnapping, and had seen the movie Ransom, in which the family of Mel Gibson's character was a "spitting image" of his own. He did not believe anyone came in through the broken basement window. They had a key, he surmised.
In one comment, he described his stepmother as "flashy" and guessed that the killer might be someone close to her.
John Andrew also buttressed the comments of the housekeeper's husband, Mervin Pugh, and former nanny Suzanne Savage about the house being difficult to navigate. "You don't know your way around real easy right off the bat. . . . You have to open lots of doors. It has lots of ups and downs," and the basement entrance was hard to find. It was becoming very clear to the police just how difficult it would have been for any stranger to get to that distant basement storage room."
John Cameron's Theory That Edward Wayne Edwards Killed JonBenet
When John Camerson asked Edward Wayne Edwards' wife where Edwards was on Christmas 1996, she replied. "He was hiding out in Brighton, Colorado, with my son, waiting the the smoke to clear in the murder of his stepson, Dannie Boy." Brighton is just a short distance from Boulder.
On December 22nd, JonBenet performed with her group, the American Kids, at the Southwest Plaza Mall in the southwestern suburbs of Denver.
In November 1996, an article was published in the Boulder Daily Camera about Access Graphics reaching $1 billion. Lockheed Martin, where Edwards' son worked, was the parent company of Access Graphics.
On December 20th, a luncheon was held for Access Graphics, John Ramsey's company, to celebrate reaching $1 billion in sales.
Barbara Kostanick, whose daughter Megan was JonBenet's friend, said JonBenet TOLD HER on December 24th that Santa was going to pay her a special visit after Christmas.
Barbara reported this to the Boulder Police Department:
"On December 25, 1996, while playing at the home of a neighborhood friend, JonBenet told her friend's mother that 'Santa Claus' was going to pay her a 'special' visit after Christmas and that it was a secret."JonBenet could have let this "Secret Santa" into her house, who signaled her by shining a flashlight into her bedroom window on the night of the murder, and it could have been this "Secret Santa" who feed her pineapple at the kitchen counter and then strangled her using a garotte.
You Never Knew - Ep. 3, Family Ties (ReelTime VR)
There was a flashlight left on the kitchen counter (page 235). The Colorado Bureau of Investigation had determined that the flashlight was probably the murder weapon and that it (and the batteries inside) had probably been wiped of fingerprints. If you're a member of the Ramsey family, there's no need to wipe down the batteries. The only reason to wipe them down would be if someone outside of the household handled them or if they were handled during the crime.
A drawer used for JonBenet's panties was pulled open. This may have been staged by the killer, who could have had knowledge of the child's problem with wetting the bed (Edwards was punished by the nuns for wetting the bed at the Catholic orphanage, page 17).
If Edwards killed JonBenet Ramsey, he did so in the same year police released the files on the 1981 killing of 6-year-old Adam Walsh.
Walsh was beheaded in Hollywood, Florida, on July 27, 1981. Edwards threatened to do the same to JonBenet in the ransom note.
EDWARDS TARGETED COLORADO, THE STATE THAT WILL HOLD TRIAL FOR TIMOTHY MCVEIGH THE MOST PROLIFIC (known) KILLER IN 1996.
Edwards had been killing children.
The JonBenet ransom note was a parable of Edwards’ life of killing.
The ransom note was signed Victory S.B.T.C — its Christian meaning, Victory, Signed By The Cross. The Zodiac Cross and Circle (Satan).
Edwards used the word BUSSNESS in the ransom note. In a taunting 1954 letter Edwards wrote regarding the Dr. Sam Sheppard case, Edwards used the word BUSSNESS.
Edward Wayne Edwards describes why he wrote the ransom note in an email sent to the Ramseys in 2002. The email from December1996@hushmail.com was signed DAXIS (note that “Satan is the Author” is capitalized).
Marks on JonBenet Ramsey were not caused by a stun gun. A crucifix had been pressed into JonBenet's skin just prior to death to confuse police.
Edwards admitted this in an email to Michael Tracy, signed DAXIS. Michael Tracy produced two documentaries in 1998 and 2004 on the killing of JonBenet Ramsey. The writer of the anonymous e-mails called himself “D” at first and then “DAXIS.”
Edwards was DAXIS, and he sent e-mails directing the evidence to John Mark Karr. The DAXIS e-mails described how Edwards killed JonBenet Ramsey.
The name DAXIS was a clue to the identity of the writer. It was the letter “D” that Edwards used in his identity cipher that had to be placed on the “Zodiac axis” and in mirror image in order to solve it.
Zodiac Identity Cipher solved by placing "D" in mirror image on Zodiac axis.
The name DAXIS E-MAILS was a clue to put the D on the Zodiac axis. When Neal Best solved the Zodiac identity cipher in 2010, the “Ds” in mirror image placed on the Zodiac axis was the solution. It named Edward Edwards as the Zodiac killer.
1997, January 8. Fourteen days after JonBenet Ramsey is killed, Edwards, as “Jen1orbit” on Google blogs, writes his theory about the UNDETECTABLE SERIAL KILLER (others reply to his post by claiming he is a serial killer):There was a flashlight left on the kitchen counter (page 235). The Colorado Bureau of Investigation had determined that the flashlight was probably the murder weapon and that it (and the batteries inside) had probably been wiped of fingerprints. If you're a member of the Ramsey family, there's no need to wipe down the batteries. The only reason to wipe them down would be if someone outside of the household handled them or if they were handled during the crime.
A drawer used for JonBenet's panties was pulled open. This may have been staged by the killer, who could have had knowledge of the child's problem with wetting the bed (Edwards was punished by the nuns for wetting the bed at the Catholic orphanage, page 17).
If Edwards killed JonBenet Ramsey, he did so in the same year police released the files on the 1981 killing of 6-year-old Adam Walsh.
Walsh was beheaded in Hollywood, Florida, on July 27, 1981. Edwards threatened to do the same to JonBenet in the ransom note.
EDWARDS TARGETED COLORADO, THE STATE THAT WILL HOLD TRIAL FOR TIMOTHY MCVEIGH THE MOST PROLIFIC (known) KILLER IN 1996.
Edwards had been killing children.
The JonBenet ransom note was a parable of Edwards’ life of killing.
The ransom note was signed Victory S.B.T.C — its Christian meaning, Victory, Signed By The Cross. The Zodiac Cross and Circle (Satan).
Edwards used the word BUSSNESS in the ransom note. In a taunting 1954 letter Edwards wrote regarding the Dr. Sam Sheppard case, Edwards used the word BUSSNESS.
Edward Wayne Edwards describes why he wrote the ransom note in an email sent to the Ramseys in 2002. The email from December1996@hushmail.com was signed DAXIS (note that “Satan is the Author” is capitalized).
Marks on JonBenet Ramsey were not caused by a stun gun. A crucifix had been pressed into JonBenet's skin just prior to death to confuse police.
Edwards admitted this in an email to Michael Tracy, signed DAXIS. Michael Tracy produced two documentaries in 1998 and 2004 on the killing of JonBenet Ramsey. The writer of the anonymous e-mails called himself “D” at first and then “DAXIS.”
Edwards was DAXIS, and he sent e-mails directing the evidence to John Mark Karr. The DAXIS e-mails described how Edwards killed JonBenet Ramsey.
Zodiac Identity Cipher solved by placing "D" in mirror image on Zodiac axis.
The name DAXIS E-MAILS was a clue to put the D on the Zodiac axis. When Neal Best solved the Zodiac identity cipher in 2010, the “Ds” in mirror image placed on the Zodiac axis was the solution. It named Edward Edwards as the Zodiac killer.
The Undetectable Serial Killer theoryBased on Edwards posting on Google blogs as Jen1orbit, Cameron writes: "He admits to 500 murders spanning decades and does it on the 51-year anniversary of 6-year-old Suzanne Degnan's head being found in the sewers of Chicago."
By Jen1orbit
1/8/97
Hello,
The week long serial killer fest on The Discovery Channel has left
me with a major case of serial killer on the brain syndrome, so I thought
I would share my theory on the existence of an "undetectable" serial
killer with the group.
I believe that beginning in the 1960's or 1970's, a new type of
serial killer began to operate. I call him the Undetectable Serial Killer.
This is a serial killer so brilliant, so organized, so in control of
himself and his emotions, so determined to avoid capture, and so lacking
in any desire for notoriety or publicity, that he or she is or was able to
commit at least 50 individual killings, and perhaps as many as 500
killings. And to do each one of them with such skill, with such a widely
varying modus operandi, that police and FBI have never been able to any
two of the 50-500 killings together. Much less any more than 2. Thus he or
she is truly an "undetectable" serial killer. Nobody knows that the 50-500
victims were killed by the same person. In fact, ALL 50-500 killings stand
alone as solo unsolved homicides.
Once any law enforcement authority is able to link 2 or more
killings to the same killer, the knowledge that the 2 crimes are the work
of a single killer destroys the killer's standing as an "undetectable"
serial killer. And so someone like Seattle's Green River Killer, while
great at avoiding capture and still garnering notoriety, is nowhere near
the genius level at which the Undetectable Serial Killer operates.
I believe that since the 1960's, at least 3, and perhaps as many
as 10, such Undetectable serial killers have each claimed in excess of 50
lives, all operating individually. They have no catchy nicknames like
Green River Killer or Zodiac. I cannot tell you in what area of the
country or world they committed their killings. This is due to their
brilliance. They killed each and every victim with such skill, such
foresight, such planning, they disposed of the bodies in so many different
ways, they never dumped 2 bodies in the same vicinity, they never
mutilated any 2 corpses in a similar fashion. In short, they never allowed
police the luxury of being able to figure out that even two, much less all
50-500 slayings, were the work of the same killer.
I believe that such an Undetectable serial killer is likely to have
matched 2 or more of the following personal facts and operational
methodology:
1) He was a lifelong drifter who never maintained a permanent
residence and never committed any 2 killings in the same city or county.
2) He was very wealthy and owned a large and isolated estate with
extensive grounds for burying or disposing of his victims in an
undetectable fashion.
3) He was not a sexually motivated "lust" killer, but rather a
highly intellectual person motivated by a cerebral desire/need/compulsion
to kill human beings for a "vengeance" or revenge against society purpose.
4) He never killed anyone while in an uncontrollable rage. All his
killings were done in a calm, detached manner, with the foremost thought
in his mind being the need to make each killing look DIFFERENT than all of
his other killings.
5) The killer never used the same weapon in any of his 50-500
killings.
6) The killer was very careful to never leave any ritualistic marks
or wounds at the crime scenes, or upon the bodies of his victims. He went
out of his way to vary each crime scene so that no two scenes could ever
be linked together by police or FBI. He wore different type shoes and
boots, perhaps even different sizes at various crime scenes, in order not
to allow any shoe print matches between any of the 50-500 crime scenes.
Most serial killers, on some level, seek and revel in notoriety.
They desire publicity for themselves and their crimes. They masturbate
with glee when reading the newspaper headline 'City gripped with fear as
serial killer claims new victim'. The Undetectable serial killer is
completely different. He has absolutely no desire for fame or notoriety.
He does not care if his name goes down in the history books. He cares not
a whit if after killing 500 people, nobody know his name or even the fact
that a single serial killer is responsible for the 500 killings. All he
cares about is indulging his desire/need to kill, for as long as he lives
and retains this compulsion. He wants to "retire" someday, just like all
you regular working stiffs, and take it easy at home during his golden
years, as he fondly recalls the glory of each of his killings.
He celebrates his own brilliance. That is enough for him. He needs
no screaming media headlines to feed his ego. Successfully killing so many
folks is enough to satisfy his ego and emotional needs. He celebrates his
anonymity. He revels in the glory of making each killing a unique and
unlinkable crime, forever destined to stand all alone as a solo unsolved
homicide.
I believe that one or more of these Undetectable serial killers
disposed of all the bodies in such an expert and thorough manner, that few
if any of the 50-500 victim's bodies were ever found. Thus the majority of
his victims are not even classified by police as murder victims, but
merely as "missing persons", because no bodies have ever been found.
I believe that in one or more of these Undetectable serial killer
strings most of the 50-500 victim's bodies WERE found. However, the killer
so expertly varied his dump sites and so expertly killed each victim in a
unique and unritualistic manner, using such a wide variety of killing
instruments and methods, that DESPITE finding most of the 50-500 bodies,
no police or FBI investigatory agency was or is able to "link" ANY of the
50-500 killings together. And thus all the killings are viewed as the work
of different killers, due to the technical brilliance of the Undetectable
Serial Killer.
So there you have it, my theory on who are truly the ULTIMATE serial
killers among us. Lots of people would vote for the Green River Killer....
But I believe my Undetectable S.K. theory is very valid, and highly likely
to be accurate. He or she (it could certainly be a female) is truly the
Ultimate in serial killers. A true PHANTOM who passes through your world
without fuss or fame or notoriety, quietly and expertly claiming their
vengeance by individually slaughtering 50-500 people, or possibly MORE,
over a 20-40 year killing career, and then just as quietly retiring to
live out their golden years in peace and prosperity, savoring the glory of
their killing exploits.
I have no "proof" to back up the actual existence of these
Undetectable Serial Killers. But I believe that the outline is very valid,
and that between 3 and 10 such Ultimate Undetectable serial killers have
claimed between 50-500 lives between 1960 and 1997, have never been
caught, and several of them are still alive and retired.... or still alive
and still actively killing.
Comments???????? JOE
Jen1orbit
1/14/97
J.C. Archambeau Wrote:
>IMO, what you're describing is a professional killer. Those would
>be the behaviors of a professional assassin, not a serial killer. Only
>a professional killer would be so meticulous about changing MO from
>killing to killing. You're describing someone who kills because it is a
>'job' to them. Part of the job is not getting caught. I am not saying
>that it is not possible, but it does defy the behavior pattern of a
>serial killer as known to modern behavior science.
Hello J.C.,
I agree that the type of Undetectable serial killer that I described would not be a typical serial killer, in either mindset, or in modus operandi. But I do not feel the description I gave is of a person who kills because it is a "job" to them. It is possible to have an overwhelming desire to kill, and at the same time to have the ability to completely control your actions. This is the mindset of my hypothetical Undetectectable SK.
He kills for pleasure/satisfaction/gratification. And he is in total control of his "need" to kill. And his overwhelming goal is to be able to continue killing for as long as he desires. Therefore he makes a conscious decision to do everything possible to avoid capture. And changing his modus operandi drastically with each murder that he commits is one of the absolute best ways to avoid capture, because in doing this he is never "detected" as being a serial killer, since each of his crime scenes is so different than all the other crime scenes.
It's very possible that in his mind he views himself as a "professional" killer, insofar as wanting to make each crime scene perfect in terms of leaving no traceable evidence behind. But he still kills for the standard serial killer reasons of gaining pleasure/satisfaction/vengeance/exhilaration, and not from the mindset of a professional assassin, as you suggest.
I think that behavioral science has it's useful purposes. But it is important to remember that every person is unique. And I think the mindset of the Undetectable Serial Killer that I described, is a very valid one.
JOE
1997, January 8. Boulder, Colorado. Boulder Police Announce Ransom Note Writing Was Disguised and Practice Ransom Note Found in JonBenet Ramsey's Case.
1997, January 27. Shreveport, Louisiana. Edwards sends Boulder Police a false letter from Shreveport, Louisiana, during the Miss America Beauty Pageant. The letter steered the investigation towards John, Patsy and Burke Ramsey. It was mailed on Burke Ramsey’s 11th birthday.
1997, March 31. Denver, Colorado. JURY SELECTION BEGINS IN TIMOTHY MCVEIGH OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING TRIAL.
THE KILLING OF JONBENET RAMSEY AND MANIPULATION OF POLICE AND PRESS TOOK AWAY ANY RECOGNITION TIMOTHY MCVEIGH’S TRIAL MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN IN COLORADO IN 1997.
EDWARDS WILL DO THE SAME THING IN 2001 WHEN MCVEIGH IS EXECUTED (June 11, 2001), BY KIDNAPPING CHANDRA LEVY (May 1, 2001) ONE MONTH BEFORE MCVEIGH’S EXECUTION.
1997, April 1. Burton, Ohio. Behind the Troy Cemetery, a hunter finds the remains of Dannie Law Gloeckner, who had his name changed legally to Dannie Boy Edwards. Edwards confessed in 2010 to having shot him twice with a shotgun.
1997, December. Burton, Ohio. Edwards collects $250,000 in insurance policies on Dannie Boy Edwards.
Dannie's remains would not be found for a year (Edwards confessed in 2010 to moving the remains so that they could be found, and also so that he could setup a neighbor for the murder).
Police suspected but could not prove Edwards killed him.
Edwards had Dannie's remains when he killed JonBenet Ramsey, Christmas, 1996. DNA on JonBenet should be compared to Dannie Law Gloeckner, Dannie Boy Edwards.
1998, December. America’s Most Wanted host John Walsh partners with Tom Voigt of zodiackiller.com to catch the Zodiac killer.
EDWARDS WILL TAUNT TOM VOIGT BECAUSE TOM’S DAD WAS AN EDITOR FOR THE LOS ANGELES HERALD EXAMINER AND BECAUSE TOM OWNS ZODIACKILLER.COM.
1999, January 29. Boulder, Colorado. District Attorney Alex Hunter goes public, asking for help in identifying a Santa Teddy Bear left at the JonBenet Ramsey Crime scene. The bear did not belong to the Ramseys. The bear was found in JonBenet’s room, and her parents reportedly told probers they didn’t recognize it. In 1999, Colorado authorities appealed to the public to help identify who manufactured the distinctive toy, and which stores sold it, and even released a photo of the bear. At the time, authorities declined to say anything more about it – fueling endless speculation about whether the killer left behind a creepy memento.
Barbara Kostanick, whose daughter Megan was JonBenet's friend, said JonBenet told her that Santa was going to pay her a special visit after Christmas.
Barbara reported this to the Boulder Police Department:
Santa Bear Story on Hard Copy
Tom Haney of the Denver PD went through Patsy's story of what had happened on December 25 and 26. Photographs taken by the police at the Ramseys' house after the murder had been assembled into several thick books. Haney took Patsy through nearly all of them. She said she saw nothing out of place except for a few things in JonBenet's room. Then Patsy noticed a small stuffed white toy bear in a Santa suit in one photograph. It was among the other toys on another bed in JonBenet's bedroom. She told Haney she didn't know where the bear had come from. The toy had not been taken into evidence by the police after the murder, and now it is missing.
1997, January 27. Shreveport, Louisiana. Edwards sends Boulder Police a false letter from Shreveport, Louisiana, during the Miss America Beauty Pageant. The letter steered the investigation towards John, Patsy and Burke Ramsey. It was mailed on Burke Ramsey’s 11th birthday.
1997, March 31. Denver, Colorado. JURY SELECTION BEGINS IN TIMOTHY MCVEIGH OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING TRIAL.
THE KILLING OF JONBENET RAMSEY AND MANIPULATION OF POLICE AND PRESS TOOK AWAY ANY RECOGNITION TIMOTHY MCVEIGH’S TRIAL MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN IN COLORADO IN 1997.
EDWARDS WILL DO THE SAME THING IN 2001 WHEN MCVEIGH IS EXECUTED (June 11, 2001), BY KIDNAPPING CHANDRA LEVY (May 1, 2001) ONE MONTH BEFORE MCVEIGH’S EXECUTION.
1997, April 1. Burton, Ohio. Behind the Troy Cemetery, a hunter finds the remains of Dannie Law Gloeckner, who had his name changed legally to Dannie Boy Edwards. Edwards confessed in 2010 to having shot him twice with a shotgun.
1997, December. Burton, Ohio. Edwards collects $250,000 in insurance policies on Dannie Boy Edwards.
Dannie's remains would not be found for a year (Edwards confessed in 2010 to moving the remains so that they could be found, and also so that he could setup a neighbor for the murder).
Police suspected but could not prove Edwards killed him.
Edwards had Dannie's remains when he killed JonBenet Ramsey, Christmas, 1996. DNA on JonBenet should be compared to Dannie Law Gloeckner, Dannie Boy Edwards.
1998, December. America’s Most Wanted host John Walsh partners with Tom Voigt of zodiackiller.com to catch the Zodiac killer.
EDWARDS WILL TAUNT TOM VOIGT BECAUSE TOM’S DAD WAS AN EDITOR FOR THE LOS ANGELES HERALD EXAMINER AND BECAUSE TOM OWNS ZODIACKILLER.COM.
1999, January 29. Boulder, Colorado. District Attorney Alex Hunter goes public, asking for help in identifying a Santa Teddy Bear left at the JonBenet Ramsey Crime scene. The bear did not belong to the Ramseys. The bear was found in JonBenet’s room, and her parents reportedly told probers they didn’t recognize it. In 1999, Colorado authorities appealed to the public to help identify who manufactured the distinctive toy, and which stores sold it, and even released a photo of the bear. At the time, authorities declined to say anything more about it – fueling endless speculation about whether the killer left behind a creepy memento.
Barbara Kostanick, whose daughter Megan was JonBenet's friend, said JonBenet told her that Santa was going to pay her a special visit after Christmas.
Barbara reported this to the Boulder Police Department:
"On December 25, 1996, while playing at the home of a neighborhood friend, JonBenet told her friend's mother that 'Santa Claus' was going to pay her a 'special' visit after Christmas and that it was a secret."JonBenet could have let this "Secret Santa" into her house, who signaled her by shining a flashlight into her bedroom window on the night of the murder, and it could have been this "Secret Santa" who feed her pineapple at the kitchen counter and then strangled her using a garotte.
Santa Bear Story on Hard Copy
Tom Haney of the Denver PD went through Patsy's story of what had happened on December 25 and 26. Photographs taken by the police at the Ramseys' house after the murder had been assembled into several thick books. Haney took Patsy through nearly all of them. She said she saw nothing out of place except for a few things in JonBenet's room. Then Patsy noticed a small stuffed white toy bear in a Santa suit in one photograph. It was among the other toys on another bed in JonBenet's bedroom. She told Haney she didn't know where the bear had come from. The toy had not been taken into evidence by the police after the murder, and now it is missing.
Boulder Police say they have a video of the Santa Bear on the prize table of a recent beauty pageant, and they say that JonBenet won it at a pageant. But they have never shown that video to anyone. Patsy says JonBenet won a white angel bear at the pageant.
If you go to the transcript of Lou Smit interviewing Patsy in 1998, you can see her reaction when he shows her the photo of the Santa Bear on the bed. She had never seen this bear before and did not know of its existence before he showed her the photo. You can feel her horror when she first sees that bear there on the bed.
This is what Patsy was asked about the bear in her June 1998 police interview:
THOMAS HANEY: We will start with number 5. Can you just describe what you see in there?
PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I don’t recognize that little (INAUDIBLE) at all.
THOMAS HANEY: Little red and white Santa, stuffed animal?
PATSY RAMSEY: Um.
THOMAS HANEY: Could it have been a recent gift?
PATSY RAMSEY: I could see that, you all have that toy, if I could see that, I would know. That doesn't look –
THOMAS HANEY: Did JonBenet have a lot of stuffed animals?
PATSY RAMSEY: A lot of stuffed animals.
THOMAS HANEY: So if –
PATSY RAMSEY: But I knew 'em, knew 'em.
A bit later in the interview Patsy cuts off Trip DeMuth when he asks her a question about something else and draws their attention back to the Santa Bear. She even asks them if they have collected it up as evidence, which as it turns out, they hadn't.
TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. The evening of the 25th?
PATSY RAMSEY: This Santa Claus (INAUDIBLE). Where is that, did you all have that?
THOMAS HANEY: I don't think we do, I don't know.
TRIP DeMUTH: That could be probably -- I don't think that was (INAUDIBLE).
PATSY RAMSEY: Boy.
THOMAS HANEY: Did she have other stuffed animals that were, you know, particularly for the Christmas season, that were only out then, or were they out all the time?
PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE RESPONSE.)
John had not seen the bear before either. From his June 1998 interview:
JOHN RAMSEY: I have to get better glasses. Patsy -- if Patsy knows what that little Santa Claus doll is. Strange, I have never seen it before either.
LOU SMIT: And that Santa Claus doll is located where?
JOHN RAMSEY: In the bed next to JonBenet's.
LOU SMIT: Where is that?
JOHN RAMSEY: This one.
LOU SMIT: Photo 5.
JOHN RAMSEY: I have never seen that.
THE HUNT FOR THE SANTA BEAR
The first the public ever knew about the 'Santa Bear’ was in a press release from the DA’s Office. Schiller described what happened in his book PMPT:
On January 28, 1999 DA Alex Hunter issued a press release, launching a nationwide search for the origins of a stuffed white bear in a Santa suit. He asked for the public's help "in identifying the manufacturer of, and/or retail outlets that sold, in 1996 or earlier, a toy teddy bear dressed in a rather unusual Santa Claus suit."
Hunter would not say why this information was needed. The whereabouts of the bear are unknown. Family members say the bear, pictured in a BPD crime scene photo, did not belong to JonBenét Ramsey.
There were over 10,000 responses to Hunter’s plea within the first 24 hours, and it was reported that a similar bear had been turned in to the DA's office by a Denver woman.
THE FINDING OF THE SANTA BEAR
Hunter Collects 3 Bears
by Kevin McCarthy
Daily Times-Call
May 2, 1999
BOULDER -- One week after posting a picture of a stuffed Santa Bear on the Internet in connection with the JonBenet Ramsey murder, the Boulder County District Attorney's office got the information it was looking for.
Three bears were turned over to District Attorney Alex Hunter's office, according to a statement issued Thursday afternoon.
Spokeswoman Suzanne Laurion would not say, however, if one of the bears was the one taken from JonBenet's bedroom after her murder.
Hunter's office received 130 e-mails, 160 phone calls, four faxes and 20 pieces of mail. "We are confident we have identified the sources where this bear could have been obtained," Hunter said in the statement.
The DA's office has not said what role the teddy bear may play in the case. "We're not commenting on the `why' questions," said Suzanne Laurion, Hunter's spokeswoman.
Patsy stated in a later police interview that their lawyers asked a local retired police officer Gene Matthews who had helped with some security at their home, to go through their things that had been packed up when they moved away from Boulder and were still in their boxes and look for the bear. JonBenet’s things from her room were stored in boxes that were in the basement of the Paugh’s house in Roswell, Georgia. It was Gene Matthews who found the bear for the Ramsey lawyers and they then handed it over to the DA’s Office.
PATSY WAS QUESTIONED AGAIN ABOUT THE BEAR IN AUGUST 2000
Police asked Patsy about the search and the finding of the bear in her August 2000 police interview. Patsy continued to insist she did not recognise the bear:
BRUCE LEVIN:. In December of 1998, there was a fairly well publicized request from the Boulder Police Department for assistance in identifying and perhaps retrieving a Santa Bear. Do you recall that?
PATSY: Yes.
BRUCE LEVIN: Was it your understanding that the bear that was sought was the same bear that you were shown photographs of in 1998 June?
PATSY: Yes.
BRUCE LEVIN: The same bear that you were unable to identify?
PATSY: Yes.
BRUCE LEVIN: We collectively, the prosecution team, received from either Mr. Morgan or Mr. Haddon the bear, the bear. Is that your understanding?
PATSY:. Yes.
BRUCE LEVIN: How did we get it? I mean, what was your participation in the chain of events that led to the recovery of that bear?
PATSY: The -- well, I think our lawyers asked Gene Matthews, who was a local retired police officer who had helped us with some security at our home --
BRUCE LEVIN: Your home in Atlanta?
PATSY: In Atlanta. -- to go through boxes and look for the bear.
BRUCE LEVIN: Did you assist Mr. Matthews, you personally?
PATSY: You mean in digging through boxes?
BRUCE LEVIN: No. In offering suggestions to where to look.
PATSY: Well, I believe at that time we were in the throes of a remodeling session, and JonBenet's things that had come out of her room in Colorado were packed and were in the basement at my mother and father's house in Roswell, Georgia. So I told him that is where he should start looking.
BRUCE LEVIN: Mrs. Ramsey, you emphatically denied, in June of 1998, knowledge of that bear. Did you have a change of recollection, following the interviews in 1998, as to whether or not you had prior knowledge of that bear?
LIN WOOD: Do you know what he is asking you?
PATSY: Do I recognize the bear?
LIN WOOD: The emphatic part is the only thing that concerns me. I am not denying that it was emphatic, but I think the point is you denied it in June of 1998, and the question I think he is asking you is when you found it, did that jog your recollection that you might remember the bear. Is that what you are asking?
BRUCE LEVIN: That is not quite the question, but it is pretty close.What I am asking you is, in June of 1998, you stated I do not recognize this bear?
PATSY: Correct.
BRUCE LEVIN: You recall that. The cry went out for help in locating the origin of the bear. Did you, at some point between our request for assistance and in June of 1998, have an opportunity to rethink the origin of the bear and realize that that was, in fact, JonBenet's Santa Bear?
LIN WOOD: I think you meant between your request and December of 1998.
BRUCE LEVIN: Between June of 1998 and our request for help in December of 1998 –
LIN WOOD: That's right.
BRUCE LEVIN: Did your recollection get jogged and you realized that you did, in fact, own the bear?
PATSY: No. I mean, it was still a bear that I did not recognize.
BRUCE LEVIN: Have you since that time had anything that has refreshed your recollection in that regard so that you now presently know the source of that bear?
PATSY: No.
THE BOULDER POLICE LIE ABOUT THE SANTA BEAR BEING WON BY JONBENET AT A PAGEANT
More from Patsy’s August 2000 police interview where police claim they have a video of the prize table at the pageant showing Santa Bears on it but don’t actually show the video - video that no-one but Boulder Police have ever seen, which raises doubts as to what the video actually shows.
LEVIN: I am going to provide you with some information to see if we can jog your memory. I have seen a videotape taken at a pageant in December, in fact, December 14, 1996. I think that was -- was that the last -- I believe that was the last pageant that JonBenet participated in. I have seen a videotape of that. And in the videotape it shows the prizes. And that bear is in the videotape with you in the videotape?
PATSY: Oh, really?
LEVIN: And JonBenet won that bear at that pageant. Assuming that that is a fact --
LIN WOOD: And you represent it as fact.
LEVIN: I'm representing that it is my belief that that is true, and I have seen videotape that shows what appears to be that bear.
LIN WOOD: The question, though, is are you representing it is that bear because there is a difference, and I think you understand it. I haven't seen the videotape that you are referring to, but I mean, you are saying it appears to be.
PATSY: Yeah, I would like to see that too because it was my recollection that she won a bear, but it had a little banner on it, and it was like a little angel bear or something. It was all white.
LEVIN: Assuming that that is correct, that, and, of course, perhaps my observations are incorrect, just assuming that, does that refresh your recollection as to the origin of the Santa Bear that we saw?
PATSY: Well, this bear that I think she was presented at that pageant did not have Santa, Santa attire. It was a little angel bear, which I have someplace.
LEVIN: And just, I don't want to mislead you because I am trying to jog your memory to see if you can help us out here.
PATSY: I appreciate that.
IT WAS THAT NASTY DETECTIVE JANE HARMER WHO WENT ABOUT DOING THE DIRTY WORK HERE
She was the one who went and interviewed La Donna Griego, the pageant organiser. She says during the August 2000 questioning of Patsy that there was a video showing the Santa Bear on the presentation table where all the prizes were. But curiously did not have the video at the time to show it. And the video has never been shown to anyone. Only those in BPD have seen it so how can we be sure it shows what they claim it does.
LEVIN: And Detective Harmer is the one that came up with the videotape.
LIN WOOD: I don't suppose we have it.
DET HARMER: No, I don't have it.
PATSY: But it is the one in the Santa outfit?
DET HARMER: Can I --
LEVIN: Yeah, because we are trying to get Ms. Ramsey to see if we can jog her memory.
DET HARMER: The person who provided the gifts is LaDonna Graygo.
PATSY: All right.
DET HARMER: Is she with All Stars or America? I can't remember which.
PATSY: I don't remember either.
DET HARMER: Whatever pageant she was in on the 14th of December, and LaDonna was involved in it, that is where the bear came from.
PATSY: Oh, okay.
LIN WOOD: According to?
PATSY: LaDonna?
DET HARMER: Yes.
LIN WOOD: Just so we are clear, we are now talking about two things.
DET HARMER: And the video.
LIN WOOD: The video shows a Santa Bear?
DET HARMER: Yes. The video is taken at the same pageant where LaDonna passed out these prizes, one of which was the bear.
LIN WOOD: Again, I am just trying to make sure, do you have a video of JonBenet holding or receiving a Santa Bear or are you saying that Santa bears were given out to some of the people there?
DET HARMER: The video shows the Santa Bear on the table.
LIN WOOD: Well, the table, who all is in the picture?
MICHAEL KANE: Maybe I can clarify it. LaDonna Graygo purchased the bear, purchased the Santa Bear. It was the prize to JonBenet, and she told us the prize that JonBenet was awarded for winning little Ms. Christmas. That was the prize and it was the only bears that she had, and she got it from someplace in Nebraska, a mail order company. I can't remember the name.
PATSY: Okay.
MICHAEL KANE: Did you look at the bear when it was found by -- what is her name?
PATSY: Gene.
MICHAEL KANE: Gene, or his?
LEVIN: Mr. Matthews.
PATSY: Uh-huh (affirmative).
MICHAEL KANE: You looked at it before it was shipped off to Colorado?
PATSY: Yes.
19 KANE - Q. And that didn't ring any bell with you?
PATSY: Uh-uh (negative).
MICHAEL KANE: But you remember getting -- she won a bear at that pageant?
PATSY: I thought it was the little white angel bear, but maybe it was, maybe she got that some other time.
LEVIN: If I understand you correctly, Mrs. Ramsey, you do recall, my sense is, and if I am wrong, tell me, you do recall with some degree of certainty she won a bear at that pageant, her last pageant?
PATSY: Yes.
LEVIN: And then what I am understanding you to say is, what you are not certain of is the type of bear?
LIN WOOD: No, she is not saying she is not certain. She is saying I thought it was the little white angel bear, but maybe she got that some other time.
LEVIN: And I took that to mean that you are not certain that it was the angel bear --
PATSY: Or the Santa Bear.
LEVIN: or the Santa Bear?
LEVIN: And then what I am understanding you to say is, what you are not certain of is the type of bear?
LIN WOOD: No, she is not saying she is not certain. She is saying I thought it was the little white angel bear, but maybe she got that some other time.
LEVIN: And I took that to mean that you are not certain that it was the angel bear --
PATSY: Or the Santa Bear.
LEVIN: or the Santa Bear?
PATSY: Right.
LEVIN: So if I understand you correctly, you are saying that you don't have an independent memory today to state emphatically she didn't win the Santa Bear?
PATSY: Right.
Although Patsy was certain JonBenet had won an Angel bear at that pageant, after Bruce Levin and Jane Harmer and Michael Kane told her they had a video of the table of prizes at that pageant showing Santa bears as prizes, Patsy starts to doubt her memory and concedes that it might not have been an Angel bear that JonBenet won.
But to believe that pageant organiser La Donna Griego would be giving out 12-inch-tall bears dressed as Santas with ugly brown pouches tied with a bit of gold cord to their belts as prizes in a pageant for little girls is a bit of a stretch..
It seems much more reasonable to believe that an angel bear was the prize as Patsy recollected and that the investigators are just trying to rule out the Santa bear as evidence because it points so strongly to an intruder having left it there the night of the murder.
JAMESON SPOKE TO LADONNA GRIEGO
Jameson posted February 1 2005:
La Donna most likely had already been told by Boulder Police to say just that to anyone who asked her about the bear. Establish the lies as the truth, That was their MO. All to do with their coverup of what really happened.
La Donna ended up being convicted of some crime. It wouldn’t be surprisng if BPD didn’t have some hold over her when they questioned her about the bear and convinced her to say it was one of the pageant prizes. At a little girls pageant they are going to give out Santa Bears with brown pouches attached to their belts - so, so ugly.
LEVIN: So if I understand you correctly, you are saying that you don't have an independent memory today to state emphatically she didn't win the Santa Bear?
PATSY: Right.
Although Patsy was certain JonBenet had won an Angel bear at that pageant, after Bruce Levin and Jane Harmer and Michael Kane told her they had a video of the table of prizes at that pageant showing Santa bears as prizes, Patsy starts to doubt her memory and concedes that it might not have been an Angel bear that JonBenet won.
But to believe that pageant organiser La Donna Griego would be giving out 12-inch-tall bears dressed as Santas with ugly brown pouches tied with a bit of gold cord to their belts as prizes in a pageant for little girls is a bit of a stretch..
It seems much more reasonable to believe that an angel bear was the prize as Patsy recollected and that the investigators are just trying to rule out the Santa bear as evidence because it points so strongly to an intruder having left it there the night of the murder.
JAMESON SPOKE TO LADONNA GRIEGO
Jameson posted February 1 2005:
La Donna most likely had already been told by Boulder Police to say just that to anyone who asked her about the bear. Establish the lies as the truth, That was their MO. All to do with their coverup of what really happened.
La Donna ended up being convicted of some crime. It wouldn’t be surprisng if BPD didn’t have some hold over her when they questioned her about the bear and convinced her to say it was one of the pageant prizes. At a little girls pageant they are going to give out Santa Bears with brown pouches attached to their belts - so, so ugly.
Pam Paugh, Patsy Ramsey's sister, said:
Boulder police questioned Bill McReynolds in February 1997 after suspicions that “Santa Claus” had killed JonBenet Ramsey. Mrs. McReynolds, an author, had written a story similar to the killing of JonBenet Ramsey. Edwards mimicked her story to steer the evidence to Bill.
1999, September 24. Boulder, Colorado. Private Investigator, Peter Peterson, announces his suspect in the killing of JonBenet Ramsey as Bill McReynolds. Bill McReynolds, a man who dressed up as Santa Claus for Christmas parties at the Ramseys’ home for three years, was also investigated but ultimately cleared when his DNA did not match that found by investigators.
"I do remember seeing the bear on the secondary bed in JonBenet's room on 12/28/96. I do not know where the bear is now. I am told that the BPD have confirmed the source of the sales point for that model bear. I wonder if they have subpoenaed sales/shipping records and done a search of transfer."
Boulder police questioned Bill McReynolds in February 1997 after suspicions that “Santa Claus” had killed JonBenet Ramsey. Mrs. McReynolds, an author, had written a story similar to the killing of JonBenet Ramsey. Edwards mimicked her story to steer the evidence to Bill.
The Globe, 2/9/99 Issue
Posted by MrsBrady on 09:10:23 1/28/99
Globe: Santa bear riddle in JonBenét murder
Ramseys claim Christmas toy is key to killer—but cops don't buy it—sources say1998-99. EDWARDS IS NAMED IN A COURT DOCUMENT AS AN INFORMANT.
A CUDDLY white teddy bear dressed as Santa has become a key clue in the hunt for JonBenét Ramsey's killer sources reveal.
Friends of the Ramsey family say the soft toy was given to JonBenét—but they do not know by whom. It just turned up sitting on a bed in the 6-year-old's room after the family's Christmas party, two days before the murder.
In the days following the shocking crime, the Ramseys claimed the mysterious bear might have been used by the killer to make friends with JonBenét and even lure her to her death.
JonBenét's parents have told friends: "If the police find whoever brought in the bear, they'll find her killer," say insiders.
The bear is white and wears a red outfit with a gold belt buckle.
Police have asked friends of the Ramseys if they remember seeing the toy at the family's Christmas party on Dec. 23, two days before JonBenét was killed. Did anybody take the little beauty aside and secretly give her the toy, they ask? "The investigators have been given a picture of the bear sitting on one of the beds in JonBenét's room. It's propped up between two pillows," says the source.
Insiders say the Ramseys told friends they believe it's possible the bear was given to JonBenét by Bill McReynolds, the lovable local who played Santa at the party at their home. They claim he was obsessed with their daughter.
But Bill's wife Janet McReynolds, who attended the party with her husband, tells GLOBE: "We didn't give JonBenét the bear. We simply passed out the gifts the Ramseys had previously wrapped for JonBenét and the other guests. It's a mystery to us."
1999, September 24. Boulder, Colorado. Private Investigator, Peter Peterson, announces his suspect in the killing of JonBenet Ramsey as Bill McReynolds. Bill McReynolds, a man who dressed up as Santa Claus for Christmas parties at the Ramseys’ home for three years, was also investigated but ultimately cleared when his DNA did not match that found by investigators.
