Free Your Mind, and the Rest Will Follow

Steven Avery- Episode 18: TERESA'S LAST DAY

Starting at the 1:43 mark, and again around the 1:38 mark, Mindshock is referencing the georgezipper (GZ) blog post, "An Audiovox Cell Phone Was Found Near the River in Mishicot, Close to Sightings of Teresa Halbach's RAV4 in a Turnaround on Highway 147":

https://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2017/10/an-audiovox-cell-phone-was-found-near.html

Starting at the 1:11 mark, Mindshock is reading from the GZ's blog post, "Teresa Halbach's Last Day (If She Was Murdered on 10/31/2005)":

https://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2017/12/teresa-halbachs-last-day-if-she-was.html

Starting at the 35 minute mark, Mindshock is reading from the GZ blog post, "The Last Time Ryan Hillegas Saw Teresa Halbach, She Was Dressed as a Cowgirl for Halloween:"

https://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-last-time-ryan-hillegas-saw-teresa.html

Starting at the 17:17 mark, Mindshock is reading the timeline from the GZ blog post, "Teresa Halbach's Last Day" at this link:

https://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2017/12/teresa-halbachs-last-day-if-she-was.html

On January 7, 2020, Mindshock wrote at reddit: "Why would I credit a blog that copy-pasted from Reddit/other blogs?"

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/ekjlu4/steven_avery_episode_18_teresas_last_day/

There is original material on the georgezipperer blog in addition to reddit OPs and comments from reddit (the authors are named and links are provided).

Mindshock is accusing the georgezipperer blogger of being a copy-paste blog with no original material. 

Mindshock is requesting paypal donations for copying images from this blog and for reading posts from this blog (without crediting this blog).

Thousands of hours have been dedicated to writing the GZ posts and uploading images (and images that came from reddit on the blog are linked to the reddit post it came from in order for the reader to go to the source).

Steven Avery- Episode 20: Teresa Left Avery's

Image at the 1:53 mark can be found here:

https://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2018/12/a-close-relative-of-dci-agent-in-teresa.html

Images around the 8-minute mark can be found here:

https://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2015/12/teresa-halbachs-cell-tower-locations.html

And here:

https://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2017/03/did-teresa-halbach-go-to-averys-before.html

And here:

https://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2018/10/did-bobby-dassey-kill-teresa-halbach.html

And here:

https://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-porn-and-poached-deer-and-sikikey.html

There were multiple sightings of Teresa after 10/31/05 (sightings 11/1/05-11/8/05):

Anna Knutsen of Valders says she saw Teresa taking pictures of cows on Madson Road, “literally kitty corner” to Trinity Lutheran Church at 11303 Wehausen Rd, Manitowoc, on the morning of November 1st, around 8:35 a.m.

Barbara Linsmeyer says she saw Teresa in a white van with two men on the side of the road by the turnaround on highway 147 (around 23-minute mark in MTSO dispatch audio).

Gary Ebert saw Teresa sitting next to a man, who was about 15 years older than her, on the ferry from Washington Island at 5 p.m. on November 4th (they didn't look like a likely couple to him, and she looked almost scared and appeared to be falling to sleep (around 29-minute mark in CASO dispatch audio).

Leo Richmond of Kuss Road says Teresa knocked on his door at midnight on November 4th looking for a home in his area. A tip called in on November 7th from a teacher at Hilbert High School, who was told by a student that, when the McGlone family was distributing missing persons posters at a gas station in Sheboygan yesterday, November 6th, a person standing in line there said they had seen Teresa in Sheboygan the day before, November 5th.

Two sightings of Teresa in Sheboygan with a black man on around midnight November 5-6th (one sighting in Walmart, another sighting in a white van at Taco Bell).

Bill Crummel left a message on the police department's voicemail on November 8th saying he saw Teresa in a bar/restaurant (with a tree on its sign) on Lakeshore Drive and County Road Xx in Cleveland.

https://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2016/01/teresa-marie-halbach-dead-or-alive.html

by MindshockPod in TickTockManitowoc

[–]Joriz74

The examining of the burn pit used in this video has been done by me and Rookie shared in this sub and other places a few months earlier in this file: https://imgur.com/a/ynTCE3F, not by you.

Other than that, thank you for making this into a video and bringing more awareness to this.

[–]MindshockPod[S]

The analysis on the information/write up contained in the imgur link is mine. I was sent the imgur link (as well as much other info).

Anything that doesn't have an author on it I can't credit, can I?

There are so many anonymous people/people who want to remain anonymous, I have no idea of knowing who even wants to be credited, particularly if there is no author on links sent to me!

[–]Joriz74

There is a simple solution to that. Just say you were sent this imgur without credit to the anonymous maker. You almost literally read out all the comments I made with every single pic in the exact same order. That is not analysis by you. It was done 7 months ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/ef2hls/imgur_document_showing_burnpit_photos_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

I don't need credit, but it is dishonesty I do not like and will point out.

The fact you made this into a video is acknowledgment for my work, thank you for that.

[–]MindshockPod[S]

Seems everyone is in agreement you are indeed the author of this work, I will give credit on follow up episode (and your excellent analysis of the Steven's Burn Barrel in the other link you provided on youtube (with you clearly as the author - something not present in the imgur link).

I analyzed the LINK. Obviously I went over it in order...that is chronological order! I reference "astute online researchers" all the time. In the podcast I read the info sent to me (in the imgur link, with the comments of course (if they matched up to the all of the other info I have, which they seemed to). And provided MY ANALYSIS on YOUR COMMENTS.

The podcast would have only been 5 minutes if I just read the page...

https://youtu.be/XEUu8E8b7pg

https://old.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/i6l65b/steven_avery_mindshock_series_episode_30_the_burn/

[–]JJacks61

GREAT Video presentation -

ETA: Of the Imgur work that Joriz did back in December 2019. Give credit where credit is due Mindshock

[–]MindshockPod[S]

Sorry, I tend to not be so nice to trolls trying to cause problems while pretending they are not trolling.

My apologies.

[–]MindshockPod[S]

Who are you crediting

Did you even listen to the podcast?

"ONLINE RESEARCHERS"

Again, anyone with a basic level of English comprehension can understand this, not sure why you are having so much trouble.

Are you saying you created that timeline of TH's last day and that GZ blog copied it from you?

No, I clearly stated in Basic English that any child can understand, that ONLINE RESEARCHERS put it together. Since there is no author listed on the GZ blog, I don't know if it's original, if it was copy-pasted from a single source, or multiple sources, hence ONLINE RESEARCHERS seems to be an accurate way to credit the information.

Again, if English comprehension is too difficult for you, don't blame me.

As for sources, I bookmark many different sites/Reddit threads predating the information on the GZ blog. Over time, the posts are deleted (and usernames unavailable, either through closed or banned accounts), so the body of the thread is no longer available (but the original post date is still there). If English is not your first language, fine, but if it is it's obvious what you are doing here. Credit was given to "online researchers" where a definite, single source could not be verified. If you have a problem with that, cry elsewhere, I have addressed it.

[–]MindshockPod[S]

You really want to waste time with this?

Why would I credit a blog that copy-pasted from Reddit/other blogs? There isn't even an author on the GZ blog listed anywhere! Like many other blogs it seems to be a "resource" type blog which just copies info/theories/links from other sources. If the original info is from somewhere else, why would I credit a blog that didn't come up with it and just copy-pasted it?

If you are the original author that's fine, you can PM me and we can share our "proofs".

If you listened to previous episodes of the podcast (or episodes of other cases), you would know I always cite sources (whether Twitter users who want their tweets to be public, Facebook posts, personal blogs of people who want the info to be public, or simply newspaper articles) in every single case/podcast episode, UNLESS it cannot be verified what the original source is, in which case I just say "online researchers", etc. And I clearly state I am giving my analysis on THEIR theories.

[–]MindshockPod[S]

Any proof of that?

Not saying you're wrong, but I have seen the text posted on the GZ blog posted elsewhere (with earlier dates). Maybe it's the same individual posting their theories on different websites, but I don't have proof of that. Anyone posting their theories online in an unofficial capacity, I credit as "online researchers" or "online bloggers". Many people do not want their name out there, hence they post under different usernames/handles, which I also don't normally want to say on the podcast to prevent people from trying to dox. When it can be confirmed it is original, and published with the intent to reach a public audience, I cite the exact source.

There are obfuscating trolls who want to create problems with people seeking truth and justice by trying to cause arguments and problems instead of focusing at the task at hand. Anyone who wants "credit" for any theory presented on Mindshock is free to contact me and they will get it (if they can provide proof that the theory/write-up is theirs). I clearly stated the theories I am reading are not mine, and I provided commentary on these theories "posted online". Not sure why that's so difficult for some to comprehend.

[–]MindshockPod[S]

The GZ blog actually takes posts from here and MaM sub (both with and without credit, which is understandably difficult to do since so much is copy-pasted).

I also clearly state when I am reading theories online (as I did in this podcast). The original post was from reddit and taken down. It has been reposted on multiple blogs since then.

[–]MindshockPod[S]

Good questions. We also can't assume all frame ups/plantings go as planned. Things go wrong all the time. We also can't assume every single individual involved (especially if they are stressed) is going to behave in a logical fashion.

How do we know the same person who removed the battery is the one who replaced it? Perhaps plans changed throughout the frame-up and more than 1 individual was involved throughout the plan change?

Also do we know with 100% certainty that it was even Teresa's RAV4 that was found on ASY?

I am a "conspiracy theorist". I believe men and women of wealth and power conspire. If you don't think so, then you are what is called "an idiot". - Cornell Professor by Venus230 in conspiracy

[–]MindshockPod

Insightful.

Empathy is not talked about enough, for sure.

Biggest Problem With Conspiracy Theories (Mindshock Podcast) (self.conspiracy)
by MindshockPod to r/conspiracy

I am a "conspiracy theorist". I believe men and women of wealth and power conspire. If you don't think so, then you are what is called "an idiot". - Cornell Professor by Venus230 in conspiracy

[–]MindshockPod

The hardcore Coincidence Theorists.

They are funny.

[–]MindshockPod

Very interesting, but one must wonder if it's a Google tech messing around...

Kind of how some people think NASA messes with their "footage".

[–]MindshockPod

Again, you don't understand anything explained at all.

But I find it hilarious, which is why I'm still here!

[–]MindshockPod[S]

Who said I was a baller?

I'm a Heliocentric Model Skeptic.

I'm a Flat Earth Skeptic.

Science = skepticism.

Either model could theoretically be true (for factors not yet known, undiscovered laws of physics, etc). Until there is a multi-plane circumnavigation of the plane or planet, verified by line of sight, video, AND radar, how is anyone going to know for sure?

[–]MindshockPod

I cover everything on Mindshock.

Often mainstream cases have overlooked details, or unexplored theories because there's a certain "expectation" to go the "official" route.

[–]MindshockPod

Ah....so you have dementia? That explains a lot! More brownie points for your subconscious.

Although I am starting to feel bad for laughing at you so much. Clearly you have a wide array of mental "challenges". Hopefully you get the help you need. I would donate to your PayPal for that as well, counseling, or whatever will help. Your dedication to entertaining me should be rewarded!

[–]MindshockPod

Indeed. Your subconscious calls out what you are doing with every post!

"Don't stop...believin'..."

Seriously, for all the comedic entertainment you provide me, I would definitely donate to your PayPal. When you stop being afraid of learning and improving, send the link over, kid!

[–]MindshockPod

My "turn"? You still didn't prove you would understand any answers, given how you didn't understand anything posted so far!

What is the "definition" of "definition"? Can you figure it out without a tutor?

[–]MindshockPod

Hahaha. Still not a clue, and how you love proving you didn't understanding anything posted! Perhaps more than anyone else. Keep dancing and pretending you are exempt from all psychology and you have your own English language with your own pretend definitions! Too funny, keep going!

[–]MindshockPod

If you don't understand arithmetic, you won't understand calculus.

I'm not a Flat Earther, so I'm not sure what you're after. 5 minutes of research (with an understanding of basic logic) will get you to understand how "their model" works. Whether it's true or not you can judge for yourself. They didn't convince me.

[–]MindshockPod

Indeed it's not projection - unlike the rest of your post! Hilarious the mental gymnastics and strawmanning your ego does to protect yourself from admitting your inability to comprehend very basic concepts!

Looks like you never learned even BASIC English comprehension.

Keep dancing. You really love being a jester, huh, kid? At least you're talented at something!

Idk if she will see this scene i am blocked by ashton12006 in flatearth

[–]MindshockPod

Again, what is the "definition" of "definition"?

If you don't know what words mean, how are you going to understand anything and do anything other than look silly? Don't get me wrong, it's hilarious, but I am starting to feel bad for you.

Saying someone can explain something =/= their explanation representing reality. Come on, kid...at least get to a kindergarten level!

[–]MindshockPod[S]

Ah, so it's an English comprehension issue. Glad we narrowed that down. Plenty of free lessons online you can google.

[–]MindshockPod

Nothing but more projection?

If you don't even know what logic is or how to apply it, what is good is memorizing math equations and regurgitating them, on command because you are too insecure to learn how to apply them to the physical world?

Come on kid, what's your PayPal? I'll help you out with that tutor fund, since you are struggling so much with basic English, you think I said FEs "disproved" the globe! Too funny. Here's a tough one for you, do you know the "definition" of "definition"?

[–]MindshockPod[S]

Without a basic understanding of the scientific method, or how science works, how would you understand answers given? I'm also assuming your English comprehension is at an elementary level, and that has proven to be a false assumption given all the jokers like Nightshade running around here proving it's nowhere near that level! It's laugh-a-minute in here.

[–]MindshockPod

As you have just done! The lack of comprehension on this sub is unlike any other! A comedy gold mine.

[–]MindshockPod[S]

Same place you didn't understand the first time around.

[–]MindshockPod

All this time and you still can't find a basic elementary school logic course! Shocking!

Have you at least figured out how a dictionary works so you can look up words?

Too funny. Keep dancing!

[–]MindshockPod[S]

When you understand logic, you would see that constantly looking to priests to tell you what to believe, regardless of which priests they are, is religious. People advocating for science don't preach religion.

[–]MindshockPod

Thinking seems hard for you. Have any of your thoughts about anything been correct here yet? Guess not! Keep digging your hole, jester.

[–]MindshockPod

Clearly you don't understand, and every post makes it even more obvious, kiddo.

So you are a Flat Earther? I guess that makes sense. Brush up on your troll game though, it's weak, your subconscious has exposed you.

[–]MindshockPod

Wow...really? Can you be any more insecure kiddo?

Can't believe the mental gymnastics you need to go through to justify your faith.

I'll dumb it down the best I can: your eyes can't see forever. Is that really that hard to understand?

Put a dot on a piece of paper and put the paper across a large room. You won't see the dot. Sure, if the dot is a "light source" you will be able to see much farther, but again, not forever. Atmospheric distortion/precipitation is real. You can deny the reality of perspective and basic logic/science all you want (at least you admitted you "love defying reality), but be prepared to have others laugh at your faith pretending to be science. You really think fog isn't real and you can see "forever" regardless of the limits of the human eye and atmospheric properties? This is 1st/2nd grade level science and it's really that hard for you to understand?

Stop pretending and presupposing and you won't embarrass yourself so badly. I'm not even a Flat Earther, but it is hilarious how you can't even grasp the basics of their model.

[–]MindshockPod

Same obvious projections, same incomprehension of basic observations, same pretending all these things to avoid looking at himself due to extreme insecurity - Nightshade! Hahahah. Still as clueless as before, I see. Keep the laughs coming, jester.

[–]MindshockPod

Basic perspective, kiddo. This has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.

Take a 1st grade drawing class.

What you fail to realize is if you lack basic logic, how would you understand any explanations? And yet you ask for them? Hilarious, right? That's why I love this sub.

[–]MindshockPod

Why would it bother me that Flat Earthers don't have a working model? And it does the opposite of bother me, it amuses me to no end that "some 40k subs" are so clueless they don't understand what basic logic or science is!

Does it bother you that your English is not even at a 1st grade level to the point that you can only provide comedic value due to your incomprehension on a Reddit sub? Hope not, but I appreciate the laughs either way, it's why I keep coming back!

[–]MindshockPod

So hilarious when people use "literally" about things that are not "literal".

If you get your English comprehension up to a 1st grade level (maybe Kindergarten actually), you would understand that I never state my "beliefs", because "beliefs" are not "facts". That's why they are "beliefs" requiring "believing".

Congrats though, you've entered the mix for poorest English comprehension on here, and that's no small feat!

[–]MindshockPod[S]

What you fail to realize is if you understood what was posted you wouldn't have asked the question.

So if you prove you don't understand, how silly of me to spend time answering! You guys are too funny.

[–]MindshockPod

And the other contender for the King of Dunning-Kruger and Projection on here returns! Awesome stuff, keep it up jesters.

[–]MindshockPod

Wow, another spot-on projection!

Your mistake is that you assume you have the mental capacity to discern what comments actually mean and whether or not they "merit" responses.

Too funny. Jokers like you guys is why I keep coming back for the laughs! Way better than Comedy Central.

[–]MindshockPod

The question itself is presupposition. If basic logic is too hard, and you can't understand that, it's okay, I won't hold it against you, dear. I know which sub I'm on!

[–]MindshockPod

Again, spot on with your projection. You're hilarious kid. Probably not too mentally well if you think spouting profanity and random Ad Hom attacks makes you look "calm" while others pointing it out are "triggered"? Obviously you don't do science/logic/reason, so you can "call people idiots and leave it at that" instead of actually having anything of substance to back your position, but you do understand not everyone is as clueless and inept as you, right? Or is that too hard to grasp due to your Dunning-Kruger? Obviously your subconscious is accurately projecting that these are "big words" for YOU, but not everyone is at your kindergarten level, kiddo. For some people these are regular words, and not "smart". You give yourself away too obviously, but it's all good, it's part of the reason you're so entertaining.

I never even stated a position, how could I "defend" it? English is tough, huh? Hard to find a tutor on Christmas Day, it's okay, I won't hold it against you.

Calling a duck a duck, especially if it's quacking and waddling obviously like you are, is being "triggered"? And the obvious truth needs to stop being pointed out for "everyone else's sanity"? Man...you might have the new title for King of Projection on here, and that's saying something!

Wow, even I didn't expect this one-upping in level of entertainment through your incomprehension. Kudos, kid. This sub is the gift that keeps on giving! Why would I stop being entertained now just because some random Dunning-Kruger sufferer projects towards me? Keep pretending my laughing at you in a joyous/amused state = anger! Too funny.

[–]MindshockPod

Thanks for proving my point! Hahaha....religious Heliocentric Globe believers can't even grasp the basic concepts of Flat Earth theory. And because of Dunning-Kruger you guys can't even see that you can't grasp it, and argue as if you understand a concept when you don't, then draw assumptions from the misunderstanding! Flat Earth not being true only adds to the hilarity. Awesome stuff. Love this sub.

[–]MindshockPod

Wow, spot on with your psychological projection.

Triggered much, kiddo? Calm down and get a tutor to help you understand what was posted...or not and keep entertaining others with your extreme Dunning-Kruger. Hahahaha.

[–]MindshockPod

Says the kid that doesn't even understand basic English! If your comprehension is so lacking that you don't even understand that I am not a Flat Earther, not part of any FE groups/communities, how valid is anything you said?

Thanks for proving my point that only religious Heliocentric Globe believers post here, who don't understand logic (and are not very good at comprehending basic English either!) But hey...it's why I keep coming for the laughs, and you guys don't disappoint! Also, your projection is spot on. Get a psychology tutor and you will see how you gave yourself away here.

[–]MindshockPod

Likewise.

You can always tell who can actually make heads or tails of what was posted when they don't need to grasp at straws like post history to avoid understanding and responding to what was actually posted and relevant to a topic at hand. Too funny. Thanks for proving my point, kid!

[–]MindshockPod[S]

Says the silly boy who can only spew logical fallacies. Too funny, kid. Try having someone help you understand what was posted if you are interested in having a real conversation instead of just entertaining others with your incomprehension like Cumia!

[–]MindshockPod

And that's the problem, what you are doing. People are always religiously presupposing, instead of putting logic first, as if accidentally (or based on whatever one was indoctrinated into), picking the "right" side is more important than utilizing logic and reason.

[–]MindshockPod

Basically the same thing the religious Heliocentric globe believers do...that's what makes this sub so hilarious! Neither side can see how they don't understand logic.

Makes this my favorite sub to go to when I need a laugh. The only thing funnier than Flat Earthers, are Globe Earthers making fun of Flat Earthers who are much smarter than them (even if they are wrong about which model of the universe they defend!). This sub is a gold mine for unintentional (and intentional) comedy!

[–]MindshockPod

If you learn basic English comprehension and logic, you would understand that the variables of the "math problem" are based on presuppositions. If you don't even know what a presupposition or logic is (which you prove with every post), you will just continue regurgitating fallacious nonsense amusing others (hey, whatever floats your boat, if you got nothing better to do than provide me with laughs, keep going).

If you got a tutor you could understand this. What's your PayPal, kiddo? Let's get you to at least a 1st grade level!

[–]MindshockPod

If you get a tutor and review the posts, you would see that your deficiency in English comprehension is the problem here (which you prove with every post). But keep pretending to protect your ego!

[–]MindshockPod

Mindshock is obviously the greatest podcast of all time! Coast to Coast style, but with logic at the forefront.

[–]MindshockPod

Already did, kiddo.

I can see how fulfilled proving your failure on a reddit sub makes you, you just keep doing it!

[–]MindshockPod

Already did. Get a tutor so you can understand instead of just constant making posts proving your failure while projecting it!

[–]MindshockPod

Ah, you gotta pretend everything is an attack or "reverse projection" because your ego can't handle the truth! Typical cognitive dissonance and Dunning-Kruger...because you couldn't possible be wrong, right, kiddo? And psychology doesn't apply to you, right? Too funny. Who needs English comprehension, logic or science when you can pretend memorizing math equations is the same as knowing reality! Hilarious.

Guess you listened to the wrong podcast (no surprise you can't even search the internet!). Mindshock only discusses logic and theories...no feelings.

I never said the math was incorrect, kiddo. Again, get a tutor to help you decipher the basic English required to understand the previous posts. I don't have any "FE math". I said the FEs do. Again, get a tutor. I'll even donate to your PayPal for you to do so. You've provided me with so many laughs, I would love to give back and help you get to at least a basic level of English comprehension and logical understanding.

Or just keep dancing and proving your mental issues like you love to do. If having others laugh at you is the only way you get fulfillment in life, and this is all you got, have at it!

[–]MindshockPod

It doesn't violate anything, kiddo. You not understanding something doesn't mean laws are violated! How silly can you get, lowering the bar even more?

But accurate projection again with your failing, since that's all you do (except in the area of entertaining others with your silliness, massive success there!).

[–]MindshockPod

Man, you love proving you don't understand logic, don't you.

Are you getting paid to entertain me this much? If not, what's your PayPal, I'd love to donate to your tutor fund.

Seriously, if you have any real interest in learning logic, do so, before embarrassing yourself with endless fallacies on here.

[–]MindshockPod

And you can't understand that it's all already been answered, and your Dunning-Kruger prevents you from realizing your extreme deficiency in English and logic, therefore you have to keep calling others names and pretending they don't answer, when it's been gone over countless times.

All you can do is sink to 5-year old name calling now...getting boring kiddo, up your game. Your dedication to entertaining me is unquestionable, you outlasted all the other kids, but keep it entertaining! Or just keep dancing in a boring fashion, if it's all you can do.

[–]MindshockPod

You've demonstrated your extreme Dunning-Kruger and projection "several times"? I would say that's an understatement since it's all you do!

Keep dancing. You sure you don't want to get a tutor to help you stop embarrassing yourself?

[–]MindshockPod

Again, kiddo, observations are not "attacks" no matter how hard you pretend.

Your feelings don't affect reality, no matter how hard you pretend.

Do you need a participation trophy, is that why you are here (obviously in addition to demonstrating what projection/dunning-kruger is to everyone)?

[–]MindshockPod

You forgot to show you understand what is posted again.

Keep dancing, yeehaw!

[–]MindshockPod

Not a lick of logic to even understand what you are posting.

Hilarious. Keep dancing, that's why I come here - for the Dunning-Kruger entertainment you and others provide me with such dedication!

[–]MindshockPod

You've shown you don't understand basic English...but keep failing, kiddo.

[–]MindshockPod

Pretend whatever you need to! You're good at pretending, kiddo.

[–]MindshockPod

Keep dancing, jester! Can't seem to do anything else!

[–]MindshockPod More projection?

Yes, obviously you have trouble with all those things as well as plenty more, otherwise you wouldn't make your posts the way you do! Too funny. Psychology 101 defeats you again.

[–]MindshockPod

Still can't understand basic English? Not shocking.

Your jester status is unwavering! Keep the laughs coming and pretending everything wasn't already explained dozens of times despite your inability to understand the basic explanations!

[–]MindshockPod

Ah, more English incomprehension where you pretend people say things they did not.

The observations are not presuppositions, kiddo, the assumptions behind why the things behave they way they behave (i.e. "observations") are the presuppositions.

People really are that stupid I guess...can't even understand basic English!

[–]MindshockPod

Completely clueless, huh? You must really get off on projecting and proving your extreme Dunning-Kruger to others online! It's all good, it's hilarious. You fit right into most of the clueless posters here. What a gold mine!

You've been doing "this" (trolling and proving your Dunning-Kruger?) for 7 years!? That's a long time. And you're so inept at using the internet you couldn't find any examples of FEs using West's curve calculator? There are dozens if not hundreds of videos on Youtube of FEs doing just that! You spend all your time trolling and proving your incompetence on Reddit that you haven't had a few minutes to find FEs using the curve calculator? Guess I'm not surprised. Definitely easier for ego to pretend none of this exists than confront your own silliness. But I'm thankful for that, otherwise you wouldn't be able to provide so many laughs for me!

Keep dancing, jester! At least your good for something.

[–]MindshockPod

All presupposition.

You can pretend Heliocentrism does all that and Geocentrism does not, but your fantasy is still your own.

There are always unknown variables. Hence why logic is important, and knowing when you are utilizing illogical reasoning (Denying the Antecedent, Appeal to Popularity, etc).

Not sure why those indoctrinated into their religion of scientism cling desperately to "predictive power". Prophets can guess correctly, but it doesn't mean they have "magic powers". There area always unknown variables, and humans know very little in general. Heliocentrism could very well be the true model, but not for the reasons most hallucinate to be facts when they are presuppositions.

[–]MindshockPod

Just because you regurgitate religious doctrine doesn't make it true.

Geoctrism has plenty of "explanatory power". Shutting your eyes and sticking your head in the sand doesn't change it.

Before your cognitive dissonance spins that into me saying Heliocentrism is false and Geocentrism is true, that's not what I'm saying.

It's always easier to go along with the herd and switch sides accordingly, with the herd. Human history has shown that. That's why studying logic and reason is important, so one can remain scientific (objective and neutral about any issue).

[–]MindshockPod

Easy to pretend that leaks don't exist, even though they are all over the place!

But let's just pretend they are all crazy liars.

The other thing that is funny about the cognitive dissonant coincidence theorists is they are too illogical to even consider the compartmentalization that is in place for a reason...people can't leak or "snitch" about what they don't know! As if no one in government knows anything about human psychology....random posters on the internet clearly know more about top secret government programs than the people operating them! And the false equivalency comparing low-level jobs to people who literally sign their life away in the name of national security...man, lot of clueless people out there. If anyone wonders how conspiracies could have ever been carried out, reading things like the OP makes it quite easy...the cognitive dissonant masses sure have an "adorable optimism" about the motivations of people in power. Haven't studied a lick of history...

[–]MindshockPod

Talk about word salad! Man, it's hilarious the mental gymnastics your ego just had you jump through to avoid confronting the obvious truth of your Dunning-Kruger and projection! Love it. Like Christmas every morning.

p.p.p.s. your subconscious is still betraying you, flerfer!

[–]MindshockPod

Really? Haven't seen anyone say that (although I guess I wouldn't be too surprised, religious/faith-based arguments on both sides of this "debate" grasp at straws quite hilariously).

How do differences in positions between 2 "objects" or sets of objects prove that both are "are really, really, really far away" from an observer?

Again, this illogical silliness is what keeps me coming back from more. So funny how clueless people are in taking on faith whatever is peddled by their religion (be it Flat Earthers or Globe Earthers!).

[–]MindshockPod

You've already proven your English comprehension is very lacking, and your Dunning-Kruger prevents you from realizing that! Are we really going to go around in a circle with that again? It's entertaining, sure, but you really have nothing better to do?

I already posted what FE's use to "explain". You religiously and dogmatically waved it all off as "mirage". Quite silly, but hey, you have to soothe your dissonance somehow, right? You too silly to realize it could be something other than a mirage and the Earth could still be round? All too funny...

Thanks for providing so much comedic value!

[–]MindshockPod

3 months? And you STILL don't understand what was posted!

Too funny. Man, you're entertaining. Please don't ever go away!

How is your example of the math "not working" show that it doesn't work?

[–]MindshockPod

If you don't understand logic and how math relates to reality, even "correct" equations don't necessarily show truth.

Which "scenarios" did I claim to see, or are you having trouble with English again?

[–]MindshockPod

Man, still projecting kiddo?

It's obvious you haven't a clue and you prove it with each post!

You can keep pretending I think things I don't to soothe your ego, but you're wrong (again, what a surprise!).

I don't think Dunning-Kruger is the inability to understand, only someone who was completely clueless about every point made would think that! I explicitly stated what Dunning-Kruger was many times - you think you understand/comprehend WHEN YOU DON'T! And you don't have the competency to realize you don't understand, hence leading you to believe you understand everything when you don't! You also prove this fact with each post.

Keep pretending I didn't say all of this countless times though. You're pretty good at pretending, kiddo. Lovely world of unicorns and rainbows you made for yourself where you never have to confront your issues because everything is always someone else's fault, human psychology doesn't apply to you, and everyone except you is wrong about everything! Too funny. Thanks for the laughs, again. This sub is like Christmas every day.

[–]MindshockPod

Ah, so this was an English comprehension issue all along! Too funny.

I said the FEs "can explain". Doesn't mean their explanation is correct, or that I even agree with their explanation. Simply that they have one.

Then you went off the rails proving you didn't understand English, logic, or science while proving your extreme Dunning-Kruger all along. What a hilarious journey! Thank you for that sir, very entertaining.

Also where is an example of the math "not working" on a Flat model? Talk about the irony/projection of not backing up a claim! You're cluelessness is too funny.

If you're wondering "which math" FEs use in their "calculations" (which I guess you weren't smart enough to simply ask, and had to pretend I was making claims I was not due to lack of English comprehension/extreme Dunning-Kruger?), most use Mick West's curvature calculator here - https://www.metabunk.org/radius

[–]MindshockPod

Depending on which pressupositions you're going with, sure. If you don't have the basics of logic down, memorizing and regurgitating information (even if true) is as far from intelligent discussion as you can get...that's why I keep bringing up logic, and you keep missing all the points.

Stellar Parallax is BS? Dunno, seems pretty real to me (observerable/measurable/repeatable). Are there people saying it's not? Haven't seen that yet.

[–]MindshockPod

Link to the "claim"?

Are you sure you understood what I "claimed"? Judging from your posts you don't seem to understand any points made...just saying this with neutrality, not an attack (actually I'm not neutral, I actually like and appreciate everything you do here, would be a lot duller without the comedy).

[–]MindshockPod

You have yet to comprehend one, as you have proven and continue to prove.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you have a tutor next to you. How does "trig" applied to presuppositions, make the presuppositions any less of presuppositions? You can get a level and measure your street. Just because it shows up 180 degrees, doesn't mean the Earth is flat kiddo. There's nothing wrong with the math in this example, it might be perfectly legit at 180 degrees. Still doesn't prove what you pretend it does.

Hopefully you have a good tutor, because it might take a miracle to get someone of your mental disposition to understand something this extremely basic! Good luck, kiddo. Hope you get it.

[–]MindshockPod

Do you?

If someone doesn't understand the letters which make up any "material", would be silly to continue putting together words when that someone has proved they don't understand the letters, hence wouldn't understand the words.

Once you demonstrate your understanding of the letters (all you do is demonstrate that you do not understand them with each and every post), "new material" can come forward. Feel free to keep dancing and entertaining in the meantime though, you do it so well!

[–]MindshockPod

Weren't you talking about why certain constellations would be visible from one part of Earth and not another?

If you don't see how declination and perspective is part of the topic of viewing constellations I'm really quite surprised on how you can even operate a device to post on the internet...mindshocking!

[–]MindshockPod

The entertainment you guys provide keeps me coming back for more!

Never seen a sub where so many users needed to "participate" that were so clueless about anything being discussed! Truly a unicorn sub on Reddit. Usually there are at least a few users in every sub that have some basic understanding of English/logic/topics being discussed. Not here! Awesome stuff.

[–]MindshockPod

Spot on projection. Impressive subconscious you got there. Maybe there's still hope!

Still funny how you couldn't understand a single point made, so you had to pretend other points were made in order to "participate". Not enough participation awards kid?

[–]MindshockPod

Wow, really? Surely you must be faking? A 4 year old could have deciphered my previous post and yet you still didn't understand? Really?

Sad...get a tutor, really. This is getting more embarrassing than funny at this point. You and the Nightshade jester are fascinating subjects on Dunning-Kruger, cognitive dissonance, and extreme projection and denial, but if you fake being dumb it's not going to be authentic data, thus not much value. I appreciate your dedication to entertaining me, but keep it genuine please.

If you are not faking, and your English is really at such a low level that you think a basic sentence (due to your Dunning-Kruger) is "terribly written", since you can't confront your own deficiencies, then this is not going to anywhere. I simply don't know how to dumb anything down even further. My apologies. If this means you cannot continue entertaining me, it's cool, I understand. Maybe you guys are all closet flat earthers (projection is giving you away on this also!) and that's why you spend so much time and effort entertaining others on this sub...interesting.

[–]MindshockPod

All you do is BS here? Got it. Thanks for clarifying.

So funny how people have to do all sorts of mental gymnastics to pretend they understood something when they didn't! If only you guys learned some basic English, logic, and psychology you would be able to see how hilarious you are. Either way I appreciate all the laughs.

[–]MindshockPod

If you didn't understand the 1st grade explanations given, and pretend they weren't even given, due to your Dunning-Kruger and other issues, how are you going to understand something more complex? I've dared to venture into 3rd grade requirement concepts a few times, and it has proven futile here, since I assumed most of you guys had a basic grasp of English and logic, and it was a false assumption. Once again, I apologize for that. But just because your ego pretends observations are "attacks" doesn't make them so, kid. The world isn't going to bend to sugar-coat everything for you. You haven't learned that yet? Guess this is the sub for people that haven't and can only project (your whole distorted view on the world is based on ignorance - spot on again!). Every post you made proves my point. There couldn't be more evidence!

Keep dancing. Love your dedication to entertaining others!

[–]MindshockPod

The irony! Too funny. You'll be pleased to know you are one of the primary subjects for my podcast's analysis on why the hopelessly indoctrinated and cognitive dissonant behave as they do! You exhibit the most extreme traits of projection and Dunning-Kruger I've probably ever seen online! And I've been researching for quite a while. See? You're not completely useless! Everyone and everything has a purpose. Those pretending their religion is science are a curious bunch, and you will help shed light on the psychology behind it. This is the sub that keeps on giving.

[–]MindshockPod

Wow...talk about not comprehending English!

Clearly you didn't understand.

"Street lights don't disappear around the non-existing sphere of a long street"

Streets are not spheres, kiddo! The Earth might be, but not a street. If you can't even understand this, perhaps I really did overestimate much greater than even I thought. My apologies.

I tried to find the easiest, most dumbed down site to explain starlight and distances....here's one, but judging from your inability to differentiate someone saying a street is not a sphere from a planet being a sphere, perhaps this is quite a hail mary!

http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/213-Why-are-some-stars-bright-and-others-dim-

[–]MindshockPod

Mentioned the moon to make things simpler to understand (looks like you didn't understand why, so perhaps I need to find something even simpler?).

I understand your misunderstanding perfectly fine. You did understand the first part of what I said (hurray! Already ahead of all the other jesters here, so big props). You missed the 2nd part. I made no assertion that the constellations would magically change FROM A SPOT CLOSE TO THEM! This is your Dunning-Kruger flaring up again. You disagree with an assertion I did not make (again, proving your misunderstanding/Dunning-Kruger, not a disagreement with an assertion, since you did not comprehend what was stated).

If the "floor" is thousands or tens of thousands of miles, you would be viewing entirely different constellations from one end (or continent) then from another end (or continent). Doesn't make sense? You keep fallaciously pretending scale is irrelevant. The 1st example (small room with constellations taped on ceiling used to explain the concept simply before complicating it with scale) is not the same thing as 2nd example (gigantic floor tens of thousands of miles, where vanishing point would not allow all constellations to be visible at the same time from anywhere on the floor). Not sure how to dumb this down even more...does it need to be or did you get it this time around?

Regarding declination, this is a very simple concept that even 1st grade art students can understand (and yet some jokers on this sub can't!). Anyone who has drawn street lights on a piece of paper can understanding declination and vanishing point. Street lights don't disappear around the non-existing sphere of a long street, they simply are not visible when they reach the "vanishing point". Hence the name. Of course as you move further from an object/light on a horizon, the angle declines accordingly. Again, nothing to do with a flat or globe model. Just basic perspective. Seems I have put people here at a 1st grade comprehension level, and it was an overestimation judging from the all the responses on here! My apologies.

[–]MindshockPod

Someone with severe Dunning-Kruger would respond exactly as you did...you never let up, do you? Ego's got you dominated to the point that any truth is deemed a "strawman" huh? Whatever helps you sleep at night, kiddo, sleep is important. I don't blame you.

[–]MindshockPod

More projection? You're just "out-stupiding" your posts? Gotta say, you do at least to be good at that.

Still no clue as to what I said so you are continuing to pretend you did understand when I didn't, huh. Man, the competition for king of projection is razor tight on here...all you guys at least deserve a participation award! The most extreme examples of projection and Dunning-Kruger all available for free comedy on this sub! Awesome, stuff, thanks for being so amusing guys. Can't get this level of cluelessness and hole-digging elsewhere.

[–]MindshockPod

More fallacies, kiddo? "Only"?

But yes indeed, you are continuing to self-own by pretending these are "big words" for others, just because they are for you. And why do you expect everyone in life to sink all the way down to your level? There are people out there with mental capabilities beyond 1st grade you know? Or you haven't figured that out yet?

Your subconscious already sold you out! Don't you love psychology? You can lie through your teeth all day, but your subconscious always gives you away! Gotta appreciate the comedy at the sub...it's next level. Can't get projection this obvious at other subs, they usually have some kind of shred of self-awareness, but not here! Love it.

[–]MindshockPod

That's not how I'm using it, but thanks for corroborating yet again than it is one of your primary issues (thinking you understand something, when you don't, like you just proved again, since you don't even understand how I'm using it).

It has nothing to do with agreeing/disagreeing. I've stated this multiple times, not sure why you are having such a hard time with this. First, understand the point (which you haven't done, hence Dunning-Kruger, because you think you have, and built this entire house of cards on your false assumptions and false notion that you understood the points presented). Clearly you prove with each post you have not understood.

Never said anyone was "at the heart of the conspiracy" or that there was any conspiracy (that pesky Dunning-Kruger, huh?). IF there is a conspiracy, it doesn't have to be a formal one. Must be quite young/naive about the world kiddo, if you think institutions wouldn't lie or aren't corrupt, especially when it serves their interests. Knowing a motive of a crime could be useful, but is obviously not required to determine whether a crime has occurred (i.e. at a crime scene, you got a body, murder weapon, fingerprints, dna, multiple witnesses, etc...motive not required). The most cognitive dissonant always clutch desperately at the "motive" straw, as if it invalidated any physical evidence/science. So silly. The motive is the least relevant aspect here and IF the conspiracy was true, to require this level of resources to pull off, the motive would likely not be known for quite some time. Again, why not focus on natural science instead of the motives of potential madmen? You don't need a motive to tie a serial killer to a crime. Forensics is a lot more definitive.

Maybe get a tutor? Your English comprehension is quite lacking if you keep thinking you understood what I posted when you did't.

[–]MindshockPod

Due to your Dunning-Kruger, you wouldn't even notice it! So your safe. You can sleep easy. There are no such things as grand conspiracies, never were, never will be! Evil rich people simply don't exist and they would never co-operate with other evil rich people to serve their interests! No way. Your fairy tale view of reality is definitely the correct one!

[–]MindshockPod

Wow...talk about projection! Didn't realize the extent of how accurately I labeled you.

News flash, kiddo. People with more than a 1st grader's vocabulary don't consider the words I use "big"!

Man...your subconscious pegged your "self-own". Hilarious!

[–]MindshockPod

Again, proving your English incomprehension.

I didn't say you couldn't "quote", the problem is you don't understand anything that the quote represents or is in relation to.

How do you "know" "that distance is not the reason"? You keep making your religious presuppositions, without any logical evidence at all to back it up. That's religion, not science, kiddo. Keep dancing if you wish, though, it's pretty amusing.

[–]MindshockPod

Without understanding logic, you won't be able to understand how your mind makes false assumptions/associations based on religious/faith-based views (Scientism masquerading as real science), and continue to blame others for any misunderstanding.

Not sure how many times this has to be said, but if you we are discussing something Calculus level, but you have base-layer assumptions (i.e. arithmetic level errors), you won't understand the points of the discussion or understand how it is extremely relevant (the opposite of "derailment" actually - the clearest, most efficient path to understanding). Obviously the most devout religious defenders of Scientism will never re-examine anything in the base layer because they are too terrified of the religion being exposed as religion, and not the "science" it's pretending to be. This is all quite clear throughout all the convos on this sub. One of the reasons it's so entertaining!

In the event that you actually put some time and effort into understanding logic and fallacies and are able to understand what was posted, I wouldn't need to repeat basic concepts. Can you see the stars during the daytime? Did they "fade"? Why can't you see them? You seem to have a real hard time understanding there are many variables, hence Black and White fallacies, as well as many others that you continue committing because you believe it is "derailment" to actually use logic and reason...wiser men know that these are the pillars that knowledge is based on. Science is a tool that cannot be wielded without logic and reason.

[–]MindshockPod

All you do is assume. You also assume, due to Dunning-Kruger, that you understood what I said in relation to what is observed in the night sky.

Clearly you didn't, as you are hellbent on proving with every single reply (and congrats, kiddo, you do a great job of that!)

[–]MindshockPod

Actually that's not a converse error, but pretty hilarious that you think it was! Why do you love proving you are clueless about logic and logical fallacies (as well as science/English comprehension)?

Guess everyone needs a hobby, huh?

[–]MindshockPod

Man...you're the king of Strawman Fallacies aren't you? Never said what was seen in the sky was a matter of religion, kiddo.

Wow, you really do get off on proving you don't have even a 2nd grader's English comprehension, level do you?

Impressive dedication to proving your incomprehension, though, very impressive. Dance, jester, dance!

[–]MindshockPo

Didn't say it was. Once again, nice job proving your Dunning-Kruger and that you didn't even understand the points presented.

Your subconscious wins again. You guys are dead to rights! Too funny.

[–]MindshockPod

I require at least a little bit of evidence first. It's called skepticism.

Nice. The more extraordinary claim, the more extraordinary the evidence needs to be. Skepticism and gullibility don't go hand in hand, even if you pretend really hard. Do you believe in Bigfoot also? I'm not saying Bigfoot is or isn't real, but photos (even a lot) are not good enough for a truly skeptical (and non-gullible mind).

I've investigated pretty much all the various flat earth claims, admittedly with globe bias, because of, you know, this, and have found nothing compelling. What is condemnation after investigation called?

Dishonest/non-scientific investigation isn't true investigation, therefore condemnation after non-scientific/non-objective investigation isn't worth much. Just being a charlatan pretending they really investigated when they didn't, just as an excuse to continue clinging desperately to their religious/faith-based views since cognitive dissonance is too difficult to overcome.

I know what you're doing.

No you don't if you don't even understand how science works. I am promoting logic/reason/science, not Scientism (which is basically what you have religiously put forth, accepting photos on faith, ignoring all the fallacious reasoning where your "evidence" doesn't prove what you think it does since it could work on different models).

p.s. you never did give any evidence for the claim that star light fades from north pole to Australia, did you? Hmmm.

Keep ignoring everything I did address, I guess it's easier that way?

Where did I make the claim that "star lights fades from north pole to Australia"? Variables need to be verified scientifically (i.e. distance between North Pole to Australia, distance of stars, speed of light, etc), not religiously presupposed (which is all you have done thus far).

I thought you were done having fun here, no? Or were you being a charlatan about that too?

[–]MindshockPod

Again, an individual without basic logic and understanding of how the response makes sense would of course think it was "extremely stupid."

No surprise there. If anyone doubted how extreme Dunning-Kruger can get, you prove time and time again it's no small factor! Thanks, keep the laughs coming. Thank you for all your dedicated dancing.

[–]MindshockPod

Your subconscious is spot on again. Good luck, kid, I'm sure that day will come sometime!

[–]MindshockPod

Considering something could be true and not religiously and dogmatically ruling out possibilities is what real science is.

Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

That's sad that you've bought into religious/faith-based Scientism and surrender to illogical herd mentality. Just don't spread it to your kids, ok?

[–]MindshockPod

Let's be clear, you are referring to the photos from NASA as a "mountain of evidence"? Or the photos from NASA plus "other evidence" (which is easily debunked and I'll get to in a moment) equaling a mountain? Just wondering. You seem to not understand lens optics though, if you think high-altitude balloons show a curved Earth. Those using non-fish eyed lenses show a flat horizon (this is not proof of flat earth by the way, but pretending it proves a globe is silly). Are you a Fata Morgana denier? Atmospheric lensing denier? Why do you deny science? The horizon the human eye sees is not the true horizon. Something bleeding into it does not mean it disappears "bottom first" anymore than train tracks really "touch" in the distance due to convergence. Not sure why Heliocentrists cling to these silly arguments that don't prove the Earth is a globe anymore than they prove the Earth is flat. All quite amusing though. Your other points have been gone over Ad Nauseam as well, and we can go around again if you wish, but that's why I bring up logic. Because you don't seem to understand that this "evidence" doesn't prove what those religiously indoctrinated into their model pretend it does. Again, doesn't mean the Earth isn't a globe, but it's silly and illogical to assume it is based on the non-scientific points you brought up (there are some good ones, but we're having so much fun I'm not going to spoil it by listing them!).

Also, let's put your Appeal to Incredulity ("too ridiculous an idea to entertain") aside for a moment, since you don't seem to understand how logic or logical fallacies work.

IF there was a conspiracy, then it would be quite easy to fake photographs. 60 million dollars a day covers all available fakes and more. But let's even put that aside. Even if there are tons of photographs of Bigfoot, that doesn't mean Bigfoot is real. Photographs are definitely "evidence". But they are not enough.

And I'm not saying they are real or not real...but you are not going to take on blind faith the evidence as legitimate that a serial killer provides at his own trial. The photos he supplies to prove his case may or may not legitimate, but even a small child can see the absolute basic conflict of interest here. IF they are complicit, then of course their evidence would back their side and should be viewed scientifically (with skepticism, not faith).

Anyone who pretends conspiracies can't or don't exist shouldn't be taken seriously. Science is objective and neutral. Not biased against the notion that more than one human can be involved in anything "bad". Conspiracies happen every single day. This kind of religious/faith-based dogma against certain possibilities is as anti-science as you can get.

[–]MindshockPod

Religious dogma does not cease to be religious dogma just because a lot of cranks cannot or will not comprehend the answers. (Again, I know you're clueless about logic and logical fallacies, but Appeal to Popularity is a logical fallacy for a reason).

Keep dancing.

[–]MindshockPo

Fair enough. You seem to at least understand basic English here, since most of the jokers around here can't get enough of proving they think they understand a point or concept when they don't, then all they can do is cry about it pretending others are the problem due to their insecurity. Too funny.

But regarding your post, that is why Black and White fallacies are so silly and dangerous. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater because something was "off" in the bathwater is not logical (for either model). But faith-based Heliocentrists pretending "atmospheric lensing" doesn't exist and objects "disappearing" over a horizon are proof of a globe is indeed "nonsense to try to dodge the destruction" and "disingenuity in spades". Amazing how these religious people deny the very science they pretend to believe in, in order to desperately cling to religious dogma. And yes, Flat Earthers do this also. That's why this whole thing is so funny. But extra layers of comedy here, as the faith-based Heliocentrists fail to see their Dunning-Kruger or hypocrisy.

[–]MindshockPod

Someone without the intelligence (logic/English comprehension) to judge whether something is an intelligent explanation would only attempt to do so (and embarrassingly so) if they were dominated by ego/had a severe Dunning-Kruger issue.

Not sure why you are so desperate to prove your Dunning-Kruger/childishness here, but kudos for your determination! Keep dancing kid. When you are brave enough, I'll donate to your PayPal to get a tutor when you get bored embarrassing yourself here. In the meantime, keeps the laughs coming!

[–]MindshockPod

Nice. You continue to prove your own Dunning-Kruger and the fact that I did indeed call a duck a duck. Thanks for providing the links to prove this to save others the time.

Man, I love this sub. So hilarious.

[–]MindshockPod

And yet your subconscious still forces you to!

Funny. Keep dancing, kiddo. Jesters serve a purpose as well.

[–]MindshockPod

Is there anything you DO comprehend?

Continuing to strawman since you can't understanding anything and pretending others are delusional because you can't understand basic logic/English does indeed look like a tantrum. Keep dancing, kid!

[–]MindshockPod

If someone doesn't understand basic logic, they will not be able to consider a concept honestly (without bias/religious dogma, etc).

There are books written about the geocentric globe model and the flat earth model as well, not sure what your point is here.

The "distance thing" is simply physics. Luminance does not last forever, no matter how hard some of the silly kids on this sub want to pretend to help them sleep at night (while they spend all day entertaining me here, proving they are not even at a 2nd grade comprehension level! Gotta admire the dedication!).

If you are having trouble "trying to follow the logic", perhaps do some research on fallacies. Especially Circular Reasoning Fallacy, Black and White Fallacy, and Denying the Antecedent.

[–]MindshockPod

Calling a duck a duck is a projection, now? Wow...hilarious how I have jesters so dedicated to entertaining me on here!

So clueless you don't even know what an observation is!

[–]MindshockPod

Thanks for proving my point. Nothing but strawmanning and misunderstanding basic English. Get a tutor, kid. You're a good jester, but it's getting embarrassing to laugh at you.

[–]MindshockPod

Nothing but projection?

Sorry to hear you fail at science, but it does explain why you can't understand what was posted...only a 2nd grade level is required, so maybe find someone to help you with it?

Good luck, kid.

[–]MindshockPod

Funny...coming from someone using a short way of saying you don't understand what was posted!

Too funny. Gotta love the jokers on here.





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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AhTc7Ol-25-1zBBsWAigYbXhufOEKvMo/view

RADANDT DEER CAMP ON ON NOVEMBER 7, 2005 (THE KUSS ROAD INCIDENT)

Undated picture of the blue trailer, white shed and burn barrel at deer camp, according to shadows I estimated approx timing is 3:45 - 4:15PM

Burn barrel at deer camp in front of shed behind blue trailer

Deer camp 3:54PM: 2 cars, white car with the back towards the staircase of the blue trailer, close parked. One dark colored car besides it.

Deer camp 3:55PM: same 2 cars, white car with the back towards the staircase of the blue trailer and dark car on the left, back of black car on the right side visible

Deer camp 3:57PM: Black left car gone, white car still there, black on the right also.

Same pic as above: first time this dark car appears here. Drove from DC to Kuss in 3 minutes?

Deer camp 3:58PM: Black car gone, white car still there, black on the right also.

Deer camp 3:58PM: Black car gone, white car still there, black on the right also.

Deer camp 3:58PM: Black car gone, white car still there, black on the right hardly visible.

Deer camp 3:58PM: Black car gone, white car still there, black on the right hardly visible. Burn barrel in front of shed with white doors visible

Deer camp 4:03PM Clear pic. White and black car there, clearly visible is burn barrel in front of shed (no crime scene tape visible)

Deer camp 4:03PM white car there, closed back door of rear cargo area, White screen between blue trailer and tree? Black car now not visible

Deer camp 4:04PM, no cars visible. This picture (zoomed out) is the one used in court as exhibit 084..

Deer camp 4:07PM, back to white car and black car, something black behind black car

Deer camp 4:09PM, black car, white car, shed in the background and burnbarrel, Light shines at entrance blue trailer

Deer camp 4:23PM, black and white car, shed and burn barrel

Deer camp 4:35PM: white car, rear cargo door seems to be down? black car behind tree

Deer camp 4:36PM: white car, rear cargo door seems to be down? black car behind tree, burn barrel image on the right?

Deer camp 4:39PM, white car in front of blue trailer, light shining at entrance door. Car on left in quarry, was there but turned around in the same minute

Deer camp 4:43PM A car drives towards deer camp after sunset and while Ertl is still investigating the potential burial site.​

BRENDAN DASSEY'S CASE

https://old.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/5rxqsc/list_of_photo_exhibits_from_brendans_trial/ (Photos)

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Dassey-Trial-Transcripts.pdf (Transcript)

STEVEN AVERY APPEAL DOCUMENTS

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/appealsdocuments/

https://www.workwithkz.com/filings/

STEVEN AVERY COURT FILINGS

https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2005CF000381&countyNo=36&index=0&mode=details

PRE-TRIAL MOTION

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/States-Preliminary-Set-of-Motions-in-Limine.pdf

Transcripts from Avery and Dassey Jury Trials

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/jurytrialtranscripts/

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/jury-trial-index/

TRIAL TRANSCRIPTS COMBINED

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Full-Pre-Trial-and-Post-Trial-Motion-Hearing-Transcripts-combined.pdf

Sturm - page 19
Fassbender - page 40
Kucharski - page 79
Sturdivant - page 101
Eisenberg - page 124
Culhane - manipulated by Kratz, his main accomplice - page 145
Petersen - page 403
Pagel - page 444
Emily Matesic, reporter - page 672
Jennifer Kolbusz, Channel 5 - page 714
Lt. John Byrnes - page 762
Wiegert - page 843, Buting cross page 851
Sturm - page 903
Wiegert - page 983
Remiker - page 1011
Hillegas - page 1039
Remiker - page 1102
Earl Avery - page 1140
Lenk - page 1165
O'Neill - page 1233
Steven Glynn - page 1286
O'Neill - page 1313
Remiker - page 1344
Colborn - page 1378
Fassbender - page 1397

MOTION FOR POST-CONVICTION RELIEF (Spreadsheet)

Spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-FbC6qJwDACWK3OF_8v6siwHHr9GkGQL5PcxZTnsUEo/edit#gid=0

List of Exhibits from Zellner's October 23, 2017, Motion for Reconsideration and Subsequent Supplements

https://reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/cyr202/here_is_a_list_and_summary_of_all_exhibits/

STEVEN AVERY PROOF OF GUILT CHALLENGE

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55203379e4b08b1328203a7d/t/597a527e2994ca0d709c14a9/1501188734373/Final+Avery+100+Questions+7-27.pdf

MANITOWOC COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE

MTSO Summary Report

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/MTSO-Summary-Report-on-Homicide-Investigation.pdf

MTSO Global Suspect Activity Report

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Avery-Activity-Log_Manitowoc.pdf

MTSO Dispatch and Radio Transmissions (Audio)

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13al4iwGsBhVVqnJBHBRWBHWzMaHQT3KB (provided via FOIA)

https://youtu.be/GrzJQq2EkO4 (MTSO has retained no dispatch audio from 2005 other than what Buting and Strang received at trial)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs5_5ezQ0u78mIe-rxW-7USk2u0zULMmn

https://youtu.be/EWDpkY-YWM4 (11/7/05)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A5Edehh8tDIvt_HKk4XsKddiqUInZnZhz7_7bSgTx7A/edit#gid=221014473 (transcripts of MTSO dispatch calls on 11/3/05 from 4 p.m. to 9:30 p.m.)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fw8mgNGuNV-J5hE6XyFtzQAc3dMz9NkhgyfCBea6tKw/edit#gid=775050838 (transcripts of MTSO dispatch calls on November 5, 2005)

MTSO Dispatch Log

https://twitter.com/Rookie1082/status/1029156767895379968 (August 13, 2018 - HOT OFF THE PRESS: MTSO Dispatch Calls. These calls are timestamped according to reports, logs, radio transmissions - tweet deleted)

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1PlmXGzCZnRZtouOWxLPU_pakR2jLy5H8 (file removed)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WMhWLkHRfhVUNk2RAR9VFljEskNHKt19/view (complete log of incidents)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11HZcK8adqld-88UeUR3NENkSKaHbuYLH/view (11/4 incidents)

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11HDnePKwlAiGQ6DYneGnLoYhzeAx_Z2g (11/3-11/4 incidents)

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/973u5r/ac_calls_in_the_plates_at/ (speculation that Colborn called in the plates at 1500 hours (3:00pm CST) on 11/4

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I7B3YETOEK9EHkwxB5BVXqvRy29UTrFNkzmptLSPRss/edit (speculation that Colborn called in the plates at 1922 hours (9:22 pm CST) on 11/3

What is being hidden in the 11/4 call. Dedering and Lenk discuss Friday's (11/4) call and what Steven talked about, but what else did Steven and Jodi discuss that LE doesn't want heard? They didn't include this call with the FOIA calls, nor 11/1 or 11/2.

What's being hidden? pic.twitter.com/kP7QbMGxcJ

— TickTockManitowoc (@TManitowoc) June 22, 2019

MTSO CAD System

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/9eorhy/mtso_cad_system_real_world_mtso_examples_and_more/

https://twitter.com/Rookie1082/status/1094278761808384006

CALUMET COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE

CASO File of Investigative Reports (PDF)

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CASO-Investigative-Report.pdf

CASO File of Investigative Reports (PDF Redacted)

https://archive.org/stream/CASOInvestigativeReportRedacted/CASO-Investigative-Report_redacted_djvu.txt

CASO File (Text Version)

https://archive.org/stream/CASOInvestigativeReportRedacted/CASO-Investigative-Report_redacted_djvu.txt

CASO 2 (2017-2018 Re-opened Investigation Report)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sA6_hZPvKjJu4mWaIFZWa_moxhx984oy/view

CASO Dispatch Recordings

11/3/05 CASO Dispatch 2:38pm and 11:33pm
https://youtu.be/GhFmL0_K4Fo

11/3/05 CASO Dispatch 7:41pm to 11:33pm
https://youtu.be/uk0j5A4jk_I

11/4/05 CASO Dispatch 12:06am to 11:37pm line 1
https://youtu.be/6HSvvvN4B5Y

11/4/05 CASO Dispatch 9:51am to  9:27pm line 2
https://youtu.be/fgOwqD-Sbe0

11/5/05 CASO Dispatch 3:43am to 10:52pm line 1
https://youtu.be/yp7-Kxp3toA

11/6/05 CASO Dispatch 12:39am to 5:12pm line 1
https://youtu.be/dtygte0u_7U

11/6/05 CASO Dispatch  6:06 am -10:48 pm line 2

https://youtu.be/Qz8ef43dNjU

11/7/05 CASO Dispatch 12:18am to 11:38pm
https://youtu.be/DQaGOpBN2i8

11/8/05 CASO Dispatch 12:23am- 11:38pm
https://youtu.be/f6Lsuclc9Ck

11/9/05 CASO Dispatch 12:13am to 11:48pm
https://youtu.be/9-HzLFV3u1k

11/10/05 CASO Dispatch 5pm to 9:25pm
https://youtu.be/19O3xBHq_QQQ

11/11/05 CASO Dispatch 5:23am 8:30pm line 1
https://youtu.be/zxv-nRSCi-8

11/11/05 CASO  caso dispatch 8:37am 2:05pm line 2

https://youtu.be/CLLlQvn94IQ

Lets Talk About the Dispatch Calls

https://youtu.be/HKgNHlfX_ng

"After listening to a certain day, something was overheard, and KZ has been notified. We're waiting for her to respond. I don't know how important this is or if it is nothing, but there's been lots of things heard... I'm waiting to release the next couple days because stuff in there I don't know if KZ has heard or anybody else." - Milbillie

11/12/05 CASO Dispatch 1:19am to 3:43pm
https://youtu.be/x0vEivdvgns

https://clyp.it/user/bjg3tusb

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/94sks5/calumet_dispatch_calls_and_radio_transmissions/

Dispatch Log

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/CASO-Dispatch-Log-redacted.pdf

Crime Scene Logs

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/CASO-Crime-Scene-Logs.pdf

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Trial-Exhibit-146-Sign-in-Sign-out-Log-2006Mar02-Avery-Property.pdf

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Trial-Exhibit-147-Sign-in-Sign-out-Log-2006Mar01-Avery-Property.pdf

Crime Scene Logs, Spreadsheets

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bod62h63t6na11i/CASO_CRIME_SCENE_LOG%20v1.61.xlsx?dl=0

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kgLmZjeObcOktdtaVKivEWYTvGbwRrYLCPxFqp-zX7k/edit#gid=224005494

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4j9xw0/caso_crime_scene_log_update/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4f9kk9/caso_crime_scene_log_excel_version/

Evidence Ledgers, Actual Handwritten Ledger

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EQwDWVWsTq2sy8XTWhaLaWJhmuza_7BM/view

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dl7ivdhujo269tx/Copy%20of%20CASO%20Ledgers_bates.pdf?dl=0

Evidence Ledgers, Spreadsheets

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hodFEHVtB_5K40Z9Zaq4e2sVa_lttHRu/view

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1drlfLIc7WRm5HmPBCNKHcMdZZ_Ss8Bgas07iA6KmTK8/edit#gid=0

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-OiA_g27j35r7OGLooLCPDb3RFJbR4IO77xlrHfSXgI/pubhtml

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10CbrSi8PtSLIuhT5nlwqYr0_6tSh6gNG1-DXm8z_sn8/edit#gid=749038178

https://old.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/av0e1b/caso_ledger_sheet_the_whole_in_chain_of_custody/

Evidence Ledgers, 2 Columns (Blue Headers) for FBI Tested Items and Crime Lab Items 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A3Q9r1mUwnthhwrrCVPS8V3NAOUT31ldYoPc2W3V6Sk/edit#gid=1310986305

Evidence Ledgers, New Version

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B3W9MFCo72Y1H3n_-o6cIv0gQ9M2YbQYFw5SYSsZvAE/edit#gid=1400241881

Evidence Ledgers, 22-page addition

https://old.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/bn95lc/update_spreadsheet_with_22p_additional_ledger_and/

300-page CASO Ledger, 22-page CASO Ledger and 80-page WI State Crime Lab Ledgers

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/cigf7n/ledgers_spreadsheet_caso_wi_scl_updated_version/

https://old.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/crlgto/investigative_audit_added_new_sources_to_follow/

CASO Investigative Audit

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oel5hZE4KQ-JgO_pJemszeqR3RwjpeOJ/edit#gid=721034878

Wisconsin Crime Lab Receipts and Returns 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GZ5i8EIjevP2h4lBg1Kcx5zUC8CZoepj/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ITZP94G350mb0Vq3dboM8DDcjkoY9izS/view (spreadsheet)

MTSO AND CASO DISPATCH LOG COMBINED

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KxMhqpvHUefniJqtquG0AK46KXZcn2o-/view

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VuU93YHSQJGk0PYBiyaefBMgqp5ENfcSVEfOjDnbBzA/edit#gid=1611435669

MARINETTE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE

Anthony O'Neill's Report for 11/5/05

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Steven-Avery-Interview-Report-2005Nov05.pdf

Audio Version

https://www.youtube.com/v/m - 5ZUFmV2lU

Transcription by Nexious at Reddit

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8looshxob1ymt53/%5B2005%2011%2005%5D%20-%20Steven%20Avery%20Police%20Interview.pdf?dl=0

Anthony O'Neill's Report for 11/6/05 (DCI Agent Skorlinski Also Present)

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Steven-Avery-Interview-Report-2005Nov06.pdf

Audio Version

https://www.youtube.com/v/8qkn8AJPSUs

Transcription by Nexious at Reddit

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b79exnahkck553j/%5B2005%2011%2006%5D%20-%20Steven%20Avery%20Police%20Interview.pdf?dl=0

Excerpts from the Transcript

http://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2016/12/avery-told-detective-oneill-on-november.html

Barry Degnitz's Report for 11/6/05 

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Marinette-Co-SD-Deputy-Barry-Degnitz-Supplemental-Report_redacted.pdf

DCI REPORTS

Barb Janda's November 9th Interview (Audio)

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/a85zli/audio_of_barbs_november_9_interview_with_law/

Fassbender's Report on Teresa Halbach's Voicemail Recordings

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Exhibit-62-Agent-Fassbender-VM-Report.pdf

Fassbender's 11/7/05 Report

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Exhibit-58-DCI-Report.pdf

Neil McGrath's Report

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Exhibit-75-DCI-Schuster-Interview.pdf

Interview of Tom Pearce

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Exhibit-52-DCI-Interview-of-Thomas-Pearce.pdf

Allan Avery's Interaction with Skorlinski in Crivitz on 11/5/05 (Screenshots from Making A Murderer)

https://imgur.com/a/g0f4e

DCI Reports Needed

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VpGfurJJLHl2ut_wReHcx2bV6S_k8wHB5FTHYkuol1s/edit#gid=0

BADGE NUMBERS FOR ALL AGENCIES

https://reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/e80iwn/mtso_badge_numbers/

FBI REPORTS FOR TERESA HALBACH CASE

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Defendants-Motion-to-Exclude-State-Expert-Witness-Testimony-and-Motion-to-Compel-Disclosure-of-Potentially-Exculpatory-Evidence.pdf

https://stopwrongfulconvictions.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/fbi-dna-results1.pdf

FBI REPORTS FOR CHRISTINE RUDY CASE

https://www.scribd.com/document/375243445/FBI-Results-Rudy-Case-Fragments?secret_password=jskvtMhPsNtYqI1bgdSj

STATE DNA ANALYST SHERRY CULHANE'S REPORTS

Trial Exhibit 312 – DNA Report

Trial Exhibit 313 – DNA Report
Trial Exhibit 314 – DNA Report
Trial Exhibit 315 – DNA Report
Trial Exhibits 339 and 340 – Culhane DNA PowerPoint

CONSULTANT LESLIE EISENBERG'S REPORTS

Initial Comprehensive Report for Activity November 9, 2005 through July 4, 2006

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HhLOjni6NiGhW90csClAMtb7pcfhhW-x/view?usp=sharing

Final Report (Exhibit 3 of August 2018 Motion, 3 Pages)

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Defendants-Reply-to-States-Response-to-Motion-to-Compel-Production-of-Recent-Examination-of-the-Dassey-Computer.pdf

Receipts and Tags Mentioned in Eisenberg's Initial Report That Were Missing In Her Final Report

https://old.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/dop0go/receipts_and_tags_mentioned_in_eisenbergs_1st/

Bones Database/Table Built Using Eisenberg's Reports

https://airtable.com/shr1eUwslphS5C4Kw/tblgmQiKi86MvRSjw/viwvGFXt6Gyg4uDRc?blocks=hide

Table with Links to CASO Investigative Report and Master Evidence Ledgers 

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/978jjn/eisenbergs_bones_worksheet_in_a_database_with/

PHOTO EXHIBITS OF BONES ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE

Box of Bones

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trial-Exhibit-383-contents-submitted-to-Eisenberg.jpg

Evidence Tag 8318

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Exhibit-388-skull-graphic.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Exhibit-396-Graphic-Skeleton-Parietal-Defect.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Exhibit-400-Graphic-Showing-Bones-Found-in-Burn-Pit.jpg (image below)



Cranial Bones

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trial-Exhibit-385-bone-fragments-and-muscle-tissue.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trial-Exhibit-384-skull-fragments.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trial-Exhibit-393-skull-bones.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trial-Exhibit-394-skull-bones.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trial-Exhibit-395-skull-bones.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trial-Exhibit-390-cranial-bone-fragment.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trial-Exhibit-391-three-matching-skull-bones.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trial-Exhibit-392-matching-skull-bones.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trial-Exhibit-397-xray-of-skull-bones.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trial-Exhibit-398-xray-of-cranial-fragments.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Exhibit-429-Cranial-Bone-Fragments-Outer-Defect.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Exhibit-430-Cranial-Bone-Fragments-Inner-Defect.jpg

Facial Bones

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trial-Exhibit-386-facial-bones.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trial-Exhibit-387-portion-of-facial-bones.jpg


Evidence Tag 8318 (Cranial Pieces in the Image Above)

Christine Rudy was shot in the head, purportedly with a 12-gauge shotgun, on November 11, 2005. Cranial pieces and brain matter were found at the crime scene, a gravelly road near Roger Creek Avenue in Stanley, Wisconsin. Law enforcement reported that her body, missing the arms, lower legs and head, except for a lower jaw fragment, was found on March 29, 2006, along a riverbank, just below the Cobban Bridge, in Chippewa County, Wisconsin.

Evidence Tag 7936

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Exhibit-399-Graphic-Skeleton-Occipital-Defect.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Exhibit-396-Graphic-Skeleton-Parietal-Defect.jpg

Bone Fragments and Muscle Tissue (Tag 7964)

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trial-Exhibit-385-bone-fragments-and-muscle-tissue.jpg

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Exhibit-338.jpg

Bones Fragments Removed From Custody and Destroyed or Given to the Halbach Family

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/a7avmy/unless_ive_made_a_booboo_some_of_the_items/

Scrutinizing the DNA Evidence

https://stopwrongfulconvictions.wordpress.com/2016/03/24/scrutinizing-the-dna-evidence-teresa-halbach-investigation/

DOG TRACKING REPORTS AND MAPS

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/cvyx4m/23_pages_of_dog_scented_tracking_reports_and_maps/

BONES TAKEN FROM CUSTODY ON 9/20/11 AND GIVEN TO THE HALBACHS OR DESTROYED

Kathleen Zellner's "Bone Motion" Regarding the Violation of Wisconsin Statute 968.205

https://www.workwithkz.com/media/filings/14/additional/defendant-supplemental-re-2019-02-11_WJWYWjU.pdf

Chart detailing evidence released to the Halbachs from tag numbers containing bone evidence discovered in the Manitowoc County quarry (Exhibit 15)

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1B3avrVI8Coe90a-qh9dWwQ1FEPP75JGO

Chart detailing evidence released to the Halbachs from tag numbers containing human bone evidence discovered in the Dassey burn barrel (Exhibit 17)

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wF3U5nKFCzk6t9zW-1g7Bk4f76BAZrNO

Chart detailing evidence released to the Halbachs from tag numbers containing human female bone evidence discovered in Avery's burn pit (Exhibit 16)

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Xhvgzv_F45H0Sap1B5Cu7kTyPPPmAB8o

TERESA HALBACH'S DEATH CERTIFICATE & AUTOPSY REPORT

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Trial-Exhibit-16-Halbach-Death-Certificate.pdf

https://twitter.com/RenragYelhsa/status/1116929654856790016






OTHER DOCUMENTS AND FOIA REQUESTS

Timecards for Lenk, Colborn, Remiker, Jacobs

https://twitter.com/Rookie1082/status/1106578015826427907

Teresa Halbach's Landline Records Provided by CASO Through a FOIA Request

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/9ggwpw/th_used_call_forwarding_from_her_landline/

Teresa Halbach's Emails, AutoTrader Documents and Bank Records Provided by CASO Through a FOIA Request

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AwjIUU_UTOintiqDCHrGxLcRWYaUSlql

Blaine Dassey Affidavit June 25, 2018

https://criminaljusticereformjournal.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/exhibits-11-20.pdf#page=164

Chronological Compilation of Emails Sent Between Zellner & Fallon

https://www.reddit.com/comments/99exwh

https://imgur.com/a/jmUlm3V

March 20, 2017, Email from Zellner's clerk to Fallon
Zellner's clerk reminds Fallon she requested access to Item 8675, the pelvis.

March 29, 2017, Email from Fallon to Zellner
Fallon asks Zellner what kind of microscope she plans to examine the pelvis with / where the examination of the pelvis will take place.

April 4, 2017, Email from Zellner to Fallon
Zellner answer's Fallon's inquires concerning the pelvis. Zellner tells Fallon she would like to pick up the pelvic as soon as possible.

April 14, 2017, Email from Zellner to Fallon
Zellner let's Fallon know she has been counting the days since his last response and asks him to apprise her on the status of the pelvis.

April 20, 2017, Email from Fallon to Zellner
Fallon confirms he is still inclined to make the pelvis available to her experts for examination.

May 3, 2017, Email from Fallon to Zellner
Fallon emails Zellner two days before they planned to meet to discuss the possible release of the pelvis. Fallon tells Zellner he would like to deal with the bullet and bones at the same time.

September 18, 2017, Agreement
Fallon and Zellner reach an agreement regarding the release of the pelvis (even though Fallon knew he wouldn't be able to fulfill the agreement). This agreement was nullified by the circuit court's Oct 3, 2017, denial, which prevented Zellner from discovering Fallon's bad faith negotiating.

February 13, 2019, Email from Zellner to Fallon
A little over a year later Zellner emails Fallon questioning him about her recent discovery that he was present in 2011 when the quarry bones, including the pelvis, were taken out of evidence to be released to the Halbach family.

Dassey Computer Analysis

http://www.kathleentzellner.com/avery-102317-motion-for-reconsideration (Exhibit 21)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bykvsoqflnte5m3/555.pdf?dl=0

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/a0vrgq/using_exhibits_recently_filed_by_zellner/

FOIA REQUESTS - DENIALS

https://old.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/cp2jzu/foia_requests_denials/

WFRV NEWS ARTICLES

https://old.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/bx6db8/all_wfrvcom_news_articles/

AUDIO FILES

Tip called into CASO dispatch about Chuck Avery

https://streamable.com/0qvqy

Barb Janda Tadych's 11/9/2005 Interview with DCI Agent Joseph Kapitany and CASO Deputy Wendy Baldwin

https://clyp.it/bffqqblw/widget

Bobby Dassey's 2017 Interview with CASO's John Dedering

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE9-fnW4S7g

Phone Call with Steven Avery, Barb Janda & Scott Tadych

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkzEnr3jCVs

Tom Pearce's Phone Call to CASO, 11/4/2005

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6I8vJNmisZZX2lWd29xeUd3Q0ZDR3ZwRWZKanNRWFdUMUpN/view

https://old.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/bzui47/110405_tom_peace_call_to_caso_cpl_leslie_lemieux/

JAIL HOUSE CALLS WITH STEVEN AVERY

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj9ppfkbFPGUn8eCEJvO7Vw/playlists

https://www.youtube.com/user/milbilliejeebs/playlists

IMAGES FROM THIS BLOG

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1517&bih=730&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=IS02XcOVIIud_QaFkqiICQ&q=georgezipperer+blogspot+steven+avery+teresa+halbach+brendan+dassey+images&oq=georgezipperer+blogspot+steven+avery+teresa+halbach+brendan+dassey+images&gs_l=img.3...5696.8700..9334...0.0..0.86.996.15......0....1..gws-wiz-img.gr-nQ2HtJMU&ved=0ahUKEwiDqpPRvsnjAhWLTt8KHQUJCpEQ4dUDCAY&uact=5

VIDEO LIBRARY

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCccoCRUOvC-qkhM0tbWulDQ/videos

https://fox6now.com/category/news/steven-avery/

OTHER VIDEOS

News and Trial Footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r61UKZ1eHRU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPk_YtBHDSU&feature=youtu.be

Trial news coverage that Judge Willis provided to Avery's jurors

https://youtu.be/yjZC3L4enDU (Disc 1)
https://youtu.be/WpaPGrkP-3g (Disc 2)

Footage of Avery's Residence and Burn Pit, 2005

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/adimhf/video_footage_of_sa_residence_burn_pit_2005/

NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS

https://www.newspapers.com/profile/MTSOPublicAffairs

MISCELLANEOUS

Steven Drizin's Presentation on False Confessions and the Reid Technique Given One Week Before Brendan Dassey's Coerced Confession

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/dowd70/steven_drizin_blocked_me_on_twitter/

DISCUSSION WEBSITES

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc

https://www.reddit.com/r/StevenAveryCase/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/

TICKTOCKMANITOWOC WIKI PAGE

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/wiki/index#wiki_the_smoking_bullet_revisited.3A

SOME TWITTER ACCOUNTS

https://twitter.com/TManitowoc

https://twitter.com/MysticJynx
https://twitter.com/51kikey
https://twitter.com/7pairsofpanties
https://twitter.com/AndyNewtonTT
https://twitter.com/BerlySays1
https://twitter.com/cadaverdogbrutu
https://twitter.com/Diggem242
https://twitter.com/EmergingTruth
https://twitter.com/EricEatsBananas

https://twitter.com/JaceyDeLaynes

https://twitter.com/Kratzonian
https://twitter.com/lloydbassII

https://twitter.com/Nex20

https://twitter.com/novias_info
https://twitter.com/obibluraven
https://twitter.com/Presumed_Guilty
https://twitter.com/PubTender2
https://twitter.com/RenyRoha

https://twitter.com/Rookie1082

https://twitter.com/ScoobydaDog

https://twitter.com/Shelthecaper

https://twitter.com/TruthAlwaysWin4
https://twitter.com/Yarddog_Scout

https://twitter.com/ZellnerCrimeLaw

FORENSIC HISTORY OF STEVEN AVERY (1985)

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/d291us/know_your_ravidence_part_i_the_forensic_history/

MTSO CAD system creates timestamps for all incidents electronically. Notice the difference in the MTSO CAD reports above for September 2004 and the one printed in 2018 for November 2005. The one printed in 2018 is in a different format and appears to be falsified. Plus, there should have been MTSO radio dispatch audio for 11/4/2005, but none was provided when requested via FOIA (there are dispatch logs for November 4th but no corresponding dispatch audio traffic from that day: often local police, if it’s anything they want off the public airwaves, will ‘go dark’ and use lines nobody can access publicly).