How did panties and boots (found in trunk hit on by dogs on Nov 6) end up with envelopes, butts, 7 more pairs of panties (collected 11/14) AND the dispatch call (11/16)?Panties and insulated boots, first in COC on 11/06/05. Mrs Zip corrected herself from boots to shoes at trial: "She was wearing a dark jacket, waist length. I think she had jeans and she had brown hiking boots. Hiking shoes, not boots. They were shoes."— Lick The Knife (@RenyRoha) May 17, 2019
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By seekingtruthforgood, TickTockManitowoc
November 24, 2017
Wow, great find!! I don’t know how to explain it either, but sure did seem like they were keeping evidence collected OUT to possibly USE somewhere else vs turning it over. Maybe those purple panties Zellner wants will prove their planting and why she’s asked for them. How many panties are in evidence per their logs. Should match reports of what was collected but I’ll bet you it doesn’t. Remember 7 pairs + the purple panties from the truck. - 7-pairs-of-panties, Reddit, November 24, 2017Starting on page 15 of Kathleen Zellner's motion for post-conviction scientific testing, she lists items for "new testing for sources of DNA" and items for "new DNA testing." On page 22, she requests new DNA testing on a pair of women's purple thong panties recovered from the white trailer near the Mercury station wagon where Teresa's license plates were found:
Plus this pair... makes 9... it's really weird these panties end up in the middle of Halbach's items which were sent to the lab supposedly to get her DNA. - seekingtruthforgood, Reddit, November 24, 2017
"Item CV - a pair of women's purple thong panties recovered from the white trailer near the Mercury station wagon where the victim's license plates were found. Similar thong panties were recovered from the victim's residence (items CM, CN and CO). Mr. Avery is requesting to perform new and approved DNA testing on these panties to determine if they belonged to the victim and if they contain a male DNA profile."
Per Calumet County Sgt. Bill Tyson, on November 14, 2005, after Steven Avery was charged with Teresa Halbach's murder, he and DCI Special Agent Tom Fassbender went to Teresa's residence and collected seven pairs of her panties in various colors, some clean pairs from her dresser and some dirty pairs from her laundry (page 262 of CASO file). One of the pairs collected from Teresa's dirty clothes hamper was "light colored purple."
There are two valid theories presented by missingtrugh and foghaze at Reddit.
[–] missingtruth
On Monday, 11/14/05, I (sgt. BILL TYSON of the CALUMET COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT) met with DCI Special Agent TOM FASSBENDER at the sheriff s department. Inv. FASSBENDER asked me if I would be willing to go with him to TERESA HALBACH's residence to collect some clothing of hers for DNA purposes. Special Agent FASSBENDER stated he did get permission from TERESA's parents to go to the house and look for articles of clothing that would have her DNA on it. I informed Special Agent FASSBENDER I would do so.Other than planting evidence at Avery's, why would Fassy need so many pairs of Teresa's panties, some clean and some dirty, in various colors?
Upon our arrival at the residence, RYAN HILLEGAS met us. RYAN stated he was a close friend of TERESA HALBACH and he was temporarily staying at TERESA's residence. Special Agent FASSBENDER informed him we were there to collect articles of clothing that would have traces of DNA on it. RYAN stated we were welcome into the residence and he did show us TERESA's bedroom. Upon entering the bedroom, we were looking for a clothes hamper that would have dirty clothing. RYAN pointed to a plastic bag and said TERESA would sometimes pack up her dirty clothing in the plastic bag and take the dirty laundry over to her mom's residence for cleaning. Upon looking through the plastic bag, we did locate several woman's panties in the bag. Photographs were taken of the clothing. At 1630 hours, I did collect a brown colored pair of woman's panties from the plastic bag. At 1634 hours, I did collect a light blue colored pair of woman's panties, which were located inside the dresser in TERESA's bedroom.
At 1635 hours, I did collect a black and pink striped pair of woman's panties from inside the dresser of TERESA's bedroom. At 1636 hours, I did collect a red and black colored pair of woman's panties from the dresser in TERESA's bedroom. We noticed eyeglasses setting on the nightstand next to the bed and RYAN stated the glasses did belong to TERESA. At 1638 hours, I did collect the glasses. We asked RYAN if there were any other locations in the residence where TERESA would have clothing and he led us to the bathroom. RYAN pointed to a clothes hamper and stated the clothes hamper did belong to TERESA and only her clothes would be in that hamper. RYAN stated the clothes in the hamper were definitely dirty clothing. At 1642 hours, I did collect a pink colored pair of woman's panties from the clothes hamper. At 1643 hours, I did collect a black colored pair of woman's panties from the clothes hamper from the bathroom.
At 1644 hours, I did collect a light colored purple pair of woman's panties from the clothes hamper. These items were separately packaged and photographed prior to collection.
The items collected were transported back to the CALUMET COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT and placed in a secured locker in the evidence room.
Sgt. Bill Tyson Calumet Co. Sheriff s Dept. BT,6dS
There are two valid theories presented by missingtrugh and foghaze at Reddit.
[–] missingtruth
[–]foghaze
Pretty amazing what's happened here in 5 months by Jfdelman in MakingaMurderer
ReplyDelete[–]freerudyguede 9 points 5 months ago
Not wishing to jump on the panties bandwagon (but DNA planting fascinates me)
Bill Tyson collected the underwear (page 262-3)
brown coloured pair (dirty)
light blue pair (clean)
black and pink pair (clean)
red and black pair (clean)
pink pair (dirty)
black pair (dirty)
light purple (dirty)
On page 267 the last 3 pairs are sent to the crime lab (property tag 8051-8053). Bill Tyson seems to have retained the brown pair for his personal use.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4hewwx/pretty_amazing_whats_happened_here_in_5_months/
We know that Brutus (a cadaver dog, not bloodhound) did not have any alerts directly within Avery's residence nor in other areas including as near the car crusher etc, aside from the RAV4 and Barb's burn barrel. The fact that Brutus did not bark or get any hits while in Avery's trailer/garage speaks volumes about the unlikeliness that Teresa was murdered in either of these areas as the state contended. Brutus did show interest in various areas of the quarry/gravel pit south of Avery's property but reportedly no factual hits. Brutus was trained specifically to track the deceased, unlike Loof who tracked living scents. Based on Brutus's handler on the subject of bloodhounds and scents: "Your scent is very specific. Each of us smells differently. It's almost as individual as a fingerprint would be."
ReplyDelete[–]7-pairs-of-panties
Note that all of this happened on the 7th. The bones were found on the property on the 8th. If the bones were on the property from the 31st onward they would have been sniffed out by the dogs on the very first day. Also the dogs would have had serious hits on the garage, trailer and firepit area. They DID NOT!
[–]missingtruth
I believe that this is clearly the best clue in this case and it was ignored due to "not part of the SA story."
Loof is the only one who is being truthful and honest in this investigation about where and what happened to TH. The investigators not following up on this is blatant proof that they were NOT interested in fully investigating this crime.
I have to wonder if today whether S. Fauske and R. Riemer question in their own minds why this was ignored when it was so relevant to this case.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/582vcs/the_very_intense_scent_from_jrs_trailer_to_kuss/
Every Halloween Factbender and the boys get together around a bonfire, have a beer and toss a portion of TH panties on to the fire....just for old times sake, that's why they needed soooo many panties!
ReplyDeleteWoof and the Little Red Trailer (self.TickTockManitowoc)
ReplyDeletesubmitted 19 hours ago * by bennybaku
http://imgur.com/TBxK6Q9
Caught on camera, Loof and the Little Red Trailer.
Edit to add, more. There were many who believe Loof didn't hit on the little red trailer at deer camp, but SA's little red trailer. But this photo validates the hit of TH on the stoop of the Little Red trailer at Deer camp. Here we see.....Loof, his Handler and another person, probably LE. And the trailer is red, and it is not a container. You can notice the windows, not too many containers have windows.
I think what is most intriguing, is we see Loof. Good Ol'Loof doing his job. AND the red trailer does/did exist.
[–]Nexious 15 points 16 hours ago
To me this is the most valuable discovery from the DVD news compilation. It's another step toward shutting down the long-winded and pretty silly debate about this damn trailer existing or being red. Taking that shot compared to a similar shot of Avery's trailer from the same camera of the same network http://i.imgur.com/WgjYKf3.jpg we see it was no less red than Avery's (same amount of contrast applied to bottom row).
Riemer and Fauske were with Loof during the scent trailing on 11/7, matching what appears to be two people and a dog in the footage.
Fassbender knew the deer camp was an area of intense interest to the bloodhound and didn't have a more precise way to explain it. This is why he gives this silly matter-of-fact narrative to Avery in their last interrogation:
FASSBENDER: The bloodhound followed your scent all that way. Walked you right up through there, where the plates were thrown even. You drove across the field. You went by the dead end. You went down the dirt road by the hunting shacks. You went in that back entrance and you parked that car there. You walked up...
To believe that, one would have to accept that Avery would take a completely unnecessary and risky detour with Teresa's vehicle, while Teresa was still alive and inside of it, trespassing and potentially running into a passerby and/or JR crew just to pass that deer camp area.
https://i.imgur.com/MNmiQcL.jpg
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/68i62u/woof_and_the_little_red_trailer/
By Nexious at Reddit
ReplyDeleteMeet Loof
...I was able to track down a regional story about Loof's police work, circa 2004. Highlights are below:
Loof was a trained and certified female tracking bloodhound.
Loof would had been 6-7 years old when tracking in the Halbach case.
Her name was "Fool" backwards, with the official coined name "Loof Trackin' Fool".
She was owned by officer Sarah Fauske since January 2000.
Loof had been used to help track missing people, bank robbers and other suspects in the Valley area.
Loof worked pro bono as an unofficial arm of the police force (not an official unit).
Of Loof's training, Sarah stated: "I couldn't even begin to explain how much training she's got."
Sarah acquired Loof from the previous owner after she was used to help track a man that ran from a stolen vehicle.
Loof performed tracks each week and gave demos at police departments and schools, while Sarah attended national seminars to better her training.
In one prearranged exercise, the police created a scenario where a man had fled from the scene of a domestic disturbance, then sexually assaulted a woman in a wooded area before running to his parked car and driving several blocks. Loof was able to not only track down the man, but she also located the man's hat that was hidden in a different vehicle.
Loof was able to pick up scents of the person of interest from any item they had interacted with, including things like bubble gum or a piece of furniture they may have sat in. In a bank robbery that occurred in Wisconsin, Loof managed to acquire the suspect's scent from a doorknob alone.
Loof was also involved in searches for missing people across multiple counties. Loof was classified as "scent specific" and could pick up a scent off of anything that the individual had touched [i.e., any of the items taken from Teresa's vehicle and home would had given Loof a fully sufficient scent].
(See my full post about this "intense scent" here).
https://np.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/582vcs/the_very_intense_scent_from_jrs_trailer_to_kuss/