[–]subzero0000
Bobby stated that he left in his Blazer to go hunting (I grabbed my bow, got into my Blazer, and left). This now contradicts Barb's statement that Bobby swapped cars with Scott Tadych.
[–]Courtauld
When did BT spin this whopper? I read she claimed Bobby had a green Ranger instead of the extremely well-documented black Blazer.
Now is she saying they "switched vehicles"? Unbelievable. And when and why would they do that since they "only passed each other and waved"?
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/8xswtx/scott_and_bobby_switching_trucks/
[–]PubTender
"Rumor" has it that ST's brother has said that ST lied and was not at the hospital during the day with their mother. ST's brother made the comment about it on fb and soon after deleted it.
The trailer Scott lived in was allegedly removed Spring of '06.
[–]that_1_friend
I spoke with 4 people that live near the ASY, two of those people still get parts from Allen. They all said Manitowoc is a small town and everyone knows everyone’s business. They said people with strong feelings of SA being guilty refuse to watch MaM1 or 2. One man said his sister dated STs brother and he was also abusive. When she threatened to leave, ST and his brother put bullets in her car with her name on them. Basically, if you are “in” with LE, no matter how bad you are, you can get away with anything.
Scott and Bobby were never each other's alibis! (self.TickTockManitowoc)
by tick_tock_manitowoc
They don't have one for 10/31.
I will explain as I just did on Twitter.
Bobby Dassey was interviewed on 11/05/05, 11/09/05, 2/27/06 and 11/17/17. Every single interview was Dedering.
In his first interview he is asked if he saw anyone driving, and he mentioned he saw Scott, and that Scott would know what time. The next two interviews, Dedering does not mention Scott or if he saw anyone.
In 2017, he tells Dedering he saw Scott at 3pm. This is odd because..
On 11/10/05, 11/30/05, 3/30/06 and 11/10/17 Scott Tadych was interviewed. His first interview, his drive from Aurora Bay was an hour, from 2:15 to 3:15pm.
Scott's first two interviews were by DCI agents, who never spoke to Bobby at all.
His 11/29/05 interview, there was no drive to worry about. He was at work, came straight home, and went hunting. Saw Bobby..weird, even though he arrived home at 3:15pm, he waved at Bobby on his way to going hunting..at 3:10pm, but okay.
His 3/30/06 interview was by Dedering. And in this statement, he was at the hospital all day, returning around dusk or a little after. No mention of hunting. No mention of Bobby.
His 11/10/17 interview, he mentions seeing Bobby, but still never mentioned a time.
Now this is the same investigator, Dedering, that Bobby told him, "You have to get the time from Scott." So Dedering KNEW Scott was reported to have seen Bobby but didn't ask anything at all about seeing him.
So you see, the DCI agents did not confirm Scott's alibi, and Dedering did not confirm Bobby's.
They both had no alibi for 10/31/05.
[–]thesocraticproblem
Okay let's try this:
TH leaves the Avery property and is killed by "X" near Kuss Road.
The body is cremated in the Deer Camp burn barrel near Kuss Road.
The remains are transported to the quarry.
The car is ditched near Scott's trailer (where Bobby supposedly was going hunting. This is also close to the Deer Camp).
Sneaky Colborn receives a tip about where the car is ditched.
Colborn calls it in and screws up by giving away the fact that he is currently looking at the car.
Colborn (and possibly others affected by the Avery lawsuit) orchestrate moving the car onto Avery property (with the help of Hillegas).
Now shit gets weird. After the car is found, they bring in dogs to search. The results of this search creates problems for both the killer and the police; The dogs find bones in the quarry, which contradicts the early reports of a fire outside Steve's trailer being used to cremate the body.
https://i.redd.it/iuj1h5eqelv11.jpg
The remains of Teresa are dumped in the county pit by the murderer. When whomever decided to move the bones did so, they did not manage to move/find them all. As far as we know, we are still missing ribs, which should be found in a reasonable amount. Maybe still buried in the county pit? Maybe completely removed later in order to insure not being found?
[-] struoc1
I think the MAM2 insinuated the body remains, ribs and vertebrae don't burn well, so amateur murders take this and bury it somewhere else to dispose of it.
The whole connection to cutting up deer seems solid. In the mutilation part confused me for years on this case. It was too bizarre, but now the simple deer and hunting tools make such solid sense.
I grew up with that around and friends and family hunting, but never connected it like KZ did in MAM2. Jaw dropping moment when the "shoe fits," the puzzle piece fits perfectly.
The Deer Hunters would have all the tools and stomach for it probably, especially whoever enjoyed viewing chopped up dead women pictures.
[–]bonnieandy2
Good observation! Dedering knows what to ask and what not to ask.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/9q3585/scott_and_bobby_were_never_each_others_alibis/
[-] bennybaku
Sometimes I go over the statements, and I was looking over Earl Avery's and found this weird event in the written report:
Investigators continue to question EARL about Monday, 10/31/05. EARL intemrpts investigators anxious to tell them something. EARL states yesterday, Thursday, 11/10/05, while EARL's driving up north to see his father he calls his wife, CANDY. EARL states he tells his wife he believes STEVEN AVERY did it and that he is guilty. He believes STEVEN AVERY has killed TERESA HALBACH. Investigators ask EARL why he believes STEVEN would have done it. EARL recalls an event in the cabin up north. EARL states JACKIE (ph), STEVEN's girlfriend, STEVEN, BARBARA and EARL are at the cabin. He states STEVEN's girlfriend places her hand on EARL's. STEVEN shoots his girlfriend a look and STEVEN wants to leave. Earl believes he is getting jealous. EARL states STEVEN and STEVEN's girlfriend, JACKIE (ph), exit the cabin.JACKIE is very intoxicated and falls down. EARL recalls the following events while breaking down into tears. EARL tells investigators STEVEN then kicks his girlfriend like a dog and repeatedly grabs her hair. EARL says the next day STEVEN acts normal like nothing has happened.
Earl believes SA is guilty. One part he tells LE the story of how SA kicked Jodi(apparently EA refers to her as Jackie) like a dog, after she touched EA's knee hand. He breaks down in tears in recalling the event? I don't know maybe Earl is a sensitive guy, but breaking down in tears about a person he can't even remember her name? This is so strange.
SA and EA have a history. EA when he was 16 had sex with his wife when he was in prison for the false conviction. EA has stated SA gave him the permission to do so. But there are police records where SA was very angry about that. I don't know, but in my opinion I don't think SA ever suggested EA have sex with his wife for at least a year.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/5yw6mg/seriously_ea_breaking_down_in_tears/
[–]trial-in-my-backyard
One of my direct employees is /was related at one point in time to someone who is connected to Earl in this case. I'm not going to say names or initials, but think rabbits [CASO pages 74-75, 208-210, 236-238, 310-311, 319-320].
This person also has a family member that was/is close with BD. From everything I know from random conversations about this topic,
"rabbits" was absolutely there with Earl the day this supposedly went down, and "rabbits" heard or saw nothing out of the ordinary. And this statement was said with passion.
It was also said that this was the same day, because this person took said family member trick or treating in Two Rivers that night, which was October 31st that year. I'm terrible with dates and don't know this to be fact, but that is what was said.
I don't intend to be mean, but from what I know of the Avery Family, and what this person has said, the family is a little bit beyond "different". Which, I think has sort of been proven by some recorded phone messages that just came out lately.
This person, myself and many other certainly believe that SA was/is capable of doing something like this, but it definitely did not happen the way it has been portrayed, that is for sure. Whether he was part of it or not, I have no idea. But, I am 100% on board with BD not being a part of this at all. I know someone that attended school with him, and there is no way in hell that he would be intuitive enough to be part of such an elaborate cover up. Absolutely no way.
The only thing that makes me believe that SA could have been a part of this are comments that BD was saying about his "uncle" right after this happened. From what I have been told, it was nothing super specific, but the statements were bad enough that he was told he needed to leave and not come back from the place he was at.
My understanding is that BD was making these comments just after SA's arrest, and before BD's interrogations. Once again,
the statements were pretty vague, but made things uncomfortable enough that contact was broken off between BD and "his friend" by someone else in the family.
There is a massive, massive conflict of interest concern in this case which has gone largely ignored/unknown. It involves Colborn. (self.MakingaMurderer)
by Classic_Griswald
Some of you are aware of Colborn's relationship with Earl. It's been stated in a few places there was a friendship there at one time. Earl, I think in a news interview, confirms this (but mentions it's due more to his wife, Candy. Unaware where the wife part comes in from though, the news video is link below.)
I assumed originally, that Earl's wife was probably friends with Colborn's wife. It's also possible Colborn was friends more so with Earl's wife (Candy), though I don't know if we can confirm that entirely. We know there's a friendship between them in some respect though.
Keep it in mind.
Regardless, at the very least, Colborn and Candy are friends either directly or indirectly through the friendship to Earl.
Steven's relationship with Marie Avery (Candy's daughter and Earl's stepdaughter). However you want to frame the stuff going on between Steven and Marie, that's up to you. Wendy Baldwin, (the one who likes making jokes about framing Avery in evidence videos) investigated the case that never happened [before the murder case], and it's her reports/interviews with MA that are in the CASO report.
A thread on Baldwin chasing down MA to try and document the relationship between her and Steven.
What might not be known by some is that MA is Candy's daughter.
There is no blood relation to Steve. It was Candy's daughter from another marriage or from wherever.
A thread on how Candy disliked Steven.
To support that the relationship between Colborn and Earl and his wife was also Candy and Colborn, Candy is quoted in a news article:
"I know Colborn very well. I highly doubt Colborn planted anything."
CONFLICT OF INTEREST
If Candy and Colborn are friends, and Candy hates Avery because of his relationship with her daughter... That is enough where an individual officer like Colborn should be pulling himself away from the case.
It's also not established if he had stopped talking to Earl, but I think we can assume as much. Especially since Earl had criminal charges against him for videotaping the kids during a session while they were swimming.
It's quite possible not only Colborn is no longer friends with Earl, but that he is still friends with Candy, or at least has feelings for her - compassion, whatever.
Which might include feelings of disgust regarding Steven & Earl.
It raises some serious questions about Colborn's need to inject himself into this case from the very early onset.
It also raises questions about Kayla's interaction with police and Earl's inconsistent statements, and Fabian seemingly trying to incriminate Steven.
The whole thing is a mess. And I thought it was pretty odd such a large part of the investigation was dedicated to a past incident which was not even prosecuted, which does not even have any relation to Teresa's disappearance.
I'm not trying to make excuses for Avery. Up to you to frame him (no pun intended) how you want to after reading Baldwin's reports. I think it's obvious why they are such a big part of the investigation, and why the guilty-obsessed are also obsessed on the reports. The more you demonize Avery the harder it is for people to defend him, or even defend law & order in general. Attack the messenger and you kill the message.
The problem is we should not be happy with this. If he's guilty of murder I want to see a case reflect that, showing evidence he committed the murder. Not that he's a guy people are hoping is guilty.
The conflict of interest issue this raises with Colborn cannot be simply ignored or discounted. Especially when Colborn was present during the key find, and injected himself into the case essentially before it even began. At the very least it ensures extreme bias, at worst its possible it influenced his actions. The extent of which we do not know.
Newscast program with an interview of Earl. It's established around ~13:50 that he was friends with Colborn.
"What bugs me the most, is that Colborn used to be my buddy and I don't understand how he could do such a thing." - Earl Avery
Colborn alluding to the relationship between him and Earl/Candy:
Q. Tell the jury how you are familiar with that business.
A.
I have been, personally, a customer of the Avery Auto Salvage business; as well as, I have had contacts there through with law enforcement.
And I have children that are the same age as some of the owners of Avery Auto Salvage, so I had contact with them through the course of school events.
Page 69
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4eywtx/there_is_a_massive_massive_conflict_of_interest/
Sheriff Pagel's Surprisingly Accurate Prediction (self.TickTockManitowoc)
by needless_things
Sheriff Pagel's Surprisingly Accurate Prediction.
Instructions from Sheriff Pagel concerning Avery were sent out to staff on January 31, 2006.
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Sheriff-Instructions-to-Jail-Staff.pdf
"In reviewing phone conversations, it appears that Steven Avery is becoming more anxious and desperate with not having been released on bail.
Additional charges may be filed in the next several weeks which could add to his stress level."
How would Pagel have known, at this point in January 2006, that additional charges may be filed?
January 31, 2006 was long before LE began focusing on Brendan Dassey.
November 5, 2005
RAV4 located on ASY.
November 6, 2005
Brendan is interviewed concerning Teresa's disappearance.
November 10, 2005
Brendan is interviewed concerning Teresa's presumed death.
January 2006
Earl and Candy's daughter Kayla speaks with a school counselor about things she had been hearing at home. Her statements were not made in front of LE and she never mentioned BD's name.
LE was not contacted.
February 22, 2006
Kayla is interviewed by Wiegert and Fassbender. After the interview they decide to go and speak with Brendan.
Recall:
It was on January 31, 2006 that Pagel announced to his staff via written directive that additional charges may be filed against Avery that would add to his stress level.
It was on February 22, 2006 that Wiegert and Fassbender said they decided it would be prudent to speak with Brendan again.
February 27, 2006
Brendan is interviewed 3 times.
Steven is ordered into Administrative Segregation.
"Per 700, after conversation with 801 and 815, we were instructed to place the above subject [Avery] on administrative seg. Avery has been placed in I-003 until 700 can speak with him."
Obviously, this is no coincidence. The 27th of February was the first contact LE had with Brendan since November 10, 2005.
Brendan Dassey: A Recent Development
And then, on March 1st at 3:24 PM, one day before Brendan will be charged and taken into custody, this...
"Due to recent development in the Avery case we ask that correctional Staff check inmate Avery at a min ever 1/2 hour until further notice. The telephone will also remain off until further notice."
Getting Ugly
Suddenly, later that day, the 'confession' is pretty much in the bag and it is no longer deemed necessary to have personnel babysit Avery, he is released from administrative seg and finally allowed to speak to his lawyer.
March 1, 2006, at 8:32 PM - Avery Jail Log
"Above (Avery) did state to me that 'I guess they arrested my nephew.' He also stated, 'My lawyer said it's getting pretty ugly now'."
[–]JJacks61
Pagel is quite amazing. Not only did he correctly predict more charges, he was able to stay off the radar just enough to avoid to much scrutiny.
The memo is pretty damning though.
Makes me want to know the "work product" discussions they were having. It had to be in a folder named "Killing SA's Alibi".
Another thing that is quite shocking to me is how Pagel was allowed to mingle with the jury during their deliberations. I just don't think this happens very often. To me it amounts to jury tampering or intimidation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/5h40js/sheriff_pagels_surprisingly_accurate_prediction/
Timing of Statements, [Speculations] surrounding BJT and others. Yes, more questions. (self.TickTockManitowoc)
by JJacks61
I was looking up statements by Scott Tadych and comparing them. In total he made four.
November 10th 2005 DCI Statement.
November 29th 2005 DCI Statement.
March 30th 2006 CASO Statement. FIVE Months after the fact, right?
February 27th 2007 Day 12 Avery trial testimony.
It could be argued that none of the statements really matter, only the testimony. I'd have to strongly disagree with that, because these statements gave information during an investigation.
And his story grew and vastly changed, always towards incriminating Avery.
The oh so glib double alibi that removes Bobby and Scott from the ASY during Kratz's critical and insane time frame. Bobby is SURE Scott will know what time it was when they saw each other going to these different places to hunt.
(If the hunting is good behind Scott's place, why doesn't he hunt there as well?)
Let's also not forget the multiple contacts Scott had with MoK, one of them O'Kelly apparently made a trip specifically to Manitowoc to talk to Scott.
April 25th 2006 - MoK
STATEMENT of services, page 3.
Seems rather odd, making this drive to talk to a boyfriend. And just a few days after Bobby's hdd had been seized. Interesting.
There were also multiple phone calls.
Tom Janda moved out in Oct 2005.
What I'd like to know is when did Barb and Scott start dating? His heavy involvement seems to begin as soon as Tom moved out, right? I mean, was he a NEW boyfriend, because that's not what I'm seeing here.
How long had this affair been going on? Yea, it really does matter. Timing.
I've skimmed through the details of each of the statements because most everyone has read them. And this is only part of the reason I'm posting this.
WHO gave statements and WHEN they were taken has some bearing as well.
Also, keep in mind,
the DCI was running their own semi-shadow investigation. I don't say that as in some nefarious thing,
it's only because most of their work remains unknown to us. Yet, there were dozens of DCI Agents involved in these cases.
Is it me, or is it weird as fuck these reports weren't part of the trial?
I've tried to find the date Barb gave her statement to the DCI. I was told (through PM) that her statement is 13 pages. I have no idea if this is true. I believe it's a foregone conclusion she did give at least ONE statement to them, but I'd like to know: who the agent was, what was the date, and the details.
Timing and DETAILS matter.
Barb Janda / Barb Avery is mentioned at least 275 times in the CASO report, yet AFAIK, she only gave ONE OFFICIAL interview, plus being served with a search warrant for biological and fingerprint evidence.
November 9th 2005 (Search Warrent contact). "Please note that Barb did speak to S/A KAPITANY on the way to Aurora Medical Center."
We DO NOT have that report AFAIK. This event gives no indication of what Barb said to KAPITANY. Interestingly, once they all got to the medical center, it was discovered the warrant was invalid because the last name said Avery, NOT Janda. She agreed to let them proceed.
November 14th 2005 is the only OFFICIAL interview available to us from Wendy Baldwin FFS (who didn't testify at either trial).
BUT, let's not forget other events that helped steer the course of this saga.
FOX HILLS.
The events that culminated in several LEO's, but mainly Mark Wiegert and Tom Fassbender whisking Barb, Brendan and later Blaine of for a fun night of un-recorded questioning.
Look at
ALL of the legal events that occurred during February 2006 listed
HERE, and this only covers the big things.
TIMING MATTERS.
IDK how many other people were interviewed before Barb was, it appears to be many... need those DCI reports, seriously.
It's gone now from the public records search of WI Court records, but Barb entered into a "Deferred Agreement" on February 8th 2006. This lasted for ONE year. I have a screen shot, but since it's been publicly removed. I'm NOT going to post it.
(This removal happened AFTER the Barb/Avery/Tadych phone call.)
But, what we don't know is the details of this agreement, and it damn well MAY matter. Especially if this was used as a pressure point against her.
Back to FOX HILLS. After TWO prior interviews on February 27th , it was decided that there was a safety issue for the Dasseys, so they were taken to a hotel. Surrounding the many issues over this is that it wasn't recorded. Look at the multiple witnesses interviewed in the CASO Report, and you will quickly see many were memorialized.
But NOT this one? I find this absolutely ridiculous.
February 27th 2005 - 12:30 pm Brendan is interviewed at Mishcot High School. Interview is recorded.
February 27th 2005 - 3:21 pm Brendan is interviewed at Two Rivers Police Department. Interview is recorded.
At some point, it was decided to move these interrogations to a hotel. And NOT record anything. It's been said that Wiegert and Fassbender reported that their recording equipment failed, but I cannot find that report anywhere.
I find that not recording these interrogations, and the reason for taking them to a fucking hotel, HIGHLY suspicious.
I also find it odd as hell Barb only gave ONE interview that has been made public.
Scott Tadych gave three AND was one of the star witnesses for the State. Fallon mentioned Scott many times in Brendan's trial, but he was NEVER called as a witness. Did Fallon feel like Scott had done enough damage in Avery's trial? Probably.
Let's change gears, just for a moment.
By May 11th 2006, Fassbender and the gang were well aware of Bobby's hdd contents. So, was Kachinsky also given this information? Idk, but he damn well should have been told. In any event, when
Kachinsky sent his attack dog in on Brendan it was to force him into a Plea Deal he clearly didn't want. This allowed them to arrange for Brendan to give another Lawyerless interview the following day.
One of our best contributors (think about M&M's) wrote a topic several months ago asking a simple question -
WHY didn't Wiegert and Fassbender ask Brendan about the Salacious Porn on Bobby's PC? Weren't they the least bit curious of what Brendan knew about it? Were they afraid Brendan would tell them just how god damn weird Bobby was?
I don't know, but it's clear they stayed WAY the fuck away from it. Ok, back to Barb.
October 24th 2017 Avery called Barb. Scott Tadych was present as well. Avery called her to discuss Brad's recent affidavit. This call was VERY TELLING. It also reinforced just how volatile Scott really is.
SA: Why is all this shit on the computer?
BJT: There was nothing on my fucking computer. All this - I didn't even have Internet back then.
SA: Yes you did.
BJT: No I didn't.
SA: What do you mean you didn't?
BJT: No, I didn't have Internet.
SA: You did.
BJT: No I didn't.
SA: At that time you did. Before that you did.
BJT: No I didn't.
SA: You didn't? -- Well, it's on the computer.
BJT: I did not have Internet.
SA: Well
BJT: Well nothing. I didn't.
As we all know, this is absolute garbage.
Barb did have internet, and it was used, A LOT. But here she is trying to deny it, repeatedly. The question is, why? We know part of the answer, but not all of it.
Moving on to page 7, KZ begins talking about a trip to see Brendan at the Sheboygan Jail that Barb and Brad Dassey took.
Barb told Brad that she had hired someone to "reformat" her home computer and wanted to know if reformatting would remove what was on it. She said she had done this RIGHT BEFORE LE seized the hard drive. OH REALLY?
Was she told that LE would be coming? Sure sounds that way to me. WHO would have told her? Of course we know whoever performed this reformatting failed miserably.
TIMING of events. There was so much shit happening in Avery's and then Dassey's cases Feb 2006 - June 2006.
Within two weeks of Avery's settlement, Brendan is arrested. ANYONE that believes that Brendan wasn't a PAWN for Kratz isn't paying full attention.
[MY SPECULATION]
Barb and Scott KNOW far more than they've publicly admitted, I'm convinced of it. Too much happened that's been buried or simply unsaid. But pieces of truth are seeping through.
I know Scott Tadych was in a rage. I can't copy and paste from the pdf, had to snip it.
Timing of all these seemingly unrelated events have a connection. You don't see it in the series either.
Read the changes in Scott's early DCI Statements and compare them to later statements, compared to his court testimony.
WHEN did Barb give her FIRST statement to the DCI, and WHAT did she say? This matters (to me).
What ALL happened during the months of February - early June 2006?
Avery settles the civil suit. Hires Strang.
Something got said at Brendan's school 3.5 MONTHS after this events.
Wiegert and Fassbender go in for the kill on Brendan. They are relentless.
Brendan is arrested and Kratz fashions a scene of kidnapping, raping, mutilation, body burning a day later.
Bobby Dassey's hard drive is seized, revealing real depravity. NOTHING is done with it.
Timing of events MATTERS. I've only listed a small part of the events in this case. The questions I've posed deserve to be answered FOR Brendan, if not for her own brother.
I didn't snip it, but Barb also talked about (in the phone call) Wiegert's personal involvement in getting her to move from the ASY. Aside from him being a LEO, is it me,
or does it feel like he's afraid Barb will say something she shouldn't to Mom/Dad? WHY would he care where Barb lives? Seriously?
Barb's FB post from the Amended Motion. She clearly says Bobby didn't see Teresa walk towards Steven's trailer. This was October 30th 2017.
The Dassey PC Search warrant File. I believe I may have found out who warned Barb LE might be curious about the PC. Candy Avery. As in, if there's anything on that PC you don't want the cops to see, you better delete it?
Was this her, trying to get back at Steven, through Brendan? Wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that is was Candy talking on IM. SHE's the one that told LE about it. She HATES Steven.
Remember, TIMING of when Wendy Baldwin interviewed Marie Avery on January 27th 2006, then Wiegert's interview of Kayla Avery on February 20th 2006. He used Jodi to segway into this.
In Steven Avery's letter to Ken Kratz in June 2018, he wrote:
"You don't work for the State no more so why don't you take my appeal? You know the case and you got Candy Avery. See we can all get money together. This would be the truth that she Candy did it good. See you can call up here a [sic] talk to me as a [sic] Attorney on my case!!! action right? You and another attorney can take it right? Let me know soon."
[-]DJSupastarSarah
Body Language Expert weighs in on some of the videos I sent her.
Last week I emailed Traci Brown inviting her to group and asking her to give her expert opinion on a few videos I linked to her. I focused on videos featuring Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas considering I personally as well as others feel there is something more there behind their behavior. I will note that Traci has not watched the series yet.
Please visit her website to read more about Traci:
http://bodylanguagetrainer.com/
Here was her response:
Hi Sarah
I finally had the time to look at these videos. My comments are below:
http://wbay.com/2016/01/15/video-jan-19-2006-families-react-to-news-of-halbachs-remains/
There's nothing too unusual in this one with the fellow having the press conference. However,
the woman (Candy Avery, Earl's wife) in the Avery family interviewed behind the door seemed a way too detached to be believable. I think she knows lots more than she's letting on about his guilt or innocence. She even said she was holding back but I think she knows part of the real truth of his involvement, maybe not the entire story.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/42dj6q/body_language_expert_traci_brown_weighs_in/
[–]MMonroe54
I believe I may have found out who warned Barb LE might be curious about the PC. Candy.
And how would Candy know? Did AC tell her? This is interesting as all get out!
Barb apparently doesn't keep track of what she says....or maybe even what she knows. That FB post, in direct contradiction to Bobby's testimony, is a bombshell.
[–]JJacks61[S]
"And how would Candy know? Did AC tell her? This is interesting as all get out!"
Possibly. They were friends. Did she find out, then it got to Earl and he told Barb? It's curious timing LOL.
That FB post, in direct contradiction to Bobby's testimony, is a bombshell.
I think so too.
Perjured himself. Goes back to why would he do that?
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/8rnqxc/timing_of_statements_speculations_surrounding_bjt/
[–]Eric_eats_a_Banana[S]
I think Dedering was told by DCI Agents, especially Fassbender, plus Wiegert, to only follow the trail so far and do not let the focus move away from Steven, write reports that focus on Steven, and if anything else points away from him, then write it as if it is a dead end.
[–]s_wardy_s
It may only be my opinion but
Dedering was the henchman. He's the tall bulky guy that rocks up at you door, puts the fear of god into you, and makes you believe in shit you never thought possible...
But he's also very smart, very intelligent, he writes reports to cover and make the trails... He's the guy filling the KK gaps in the reports.
If you want a metaphor for Dedering then think "Men in Black meets any Jason Statham role..."
He Got Away With It Scot-Free (self.TickTockManitowoc)
by SBRH33
I will be open about it. I never liked ST's involvement in the Halbach Investigation.
And neither did Steve's defense...
He had a dark cloud hovering over him. And to be frank, he was actually not a very good dude. His court record and rap sheet speak for themselves to that regard
A year and change later and I am still convinced of his involvement in in the criminal case framing Steve Avery for murder... and it goes beyond him merely being the prosecutions hatchet man.
My initial impression of him after watching MaM back in 2015 was that he had a real "hands" on involvement with Halbach's disappearance... either helped cover up the truth or colluded with others to pin the crime on Steve Avery, either way. His behavior during the investigation and his trial testimony illuminates the principle that there is more to Scott than meets the eye or the ears it seems for that matter... As of today I feel much more convinced of it than ever.
ST had an intimate knowledge of the Avery property, he knew the day to day operations of the yard. He likely was familiar with the family schedules and what they did with their free time. He most certainly was familiar with Steve Avery...
The defense IMO had slyly shown a spotlight on ST as best they could without tripping the Kratz/court established 3rd PartyLiability clause... actually they did trip it a few times causing Kratz and Fallon great distress... but the defense got their jabs in quite effectively and did a fine job with ST's testimony given the atmosphere they had to contend with in that Calumet courtroom.
So without further ado... here is my Friday offering.
Scott Tadych
Mark Wiegert Testimony Day 18
In the testimony above MW testifies in open court that ST's alibi of going to Green Bay to visit his mother in the hospital was never checked out.
That's is an incredible admission. Who else did investigators not properly vet in this case? Basically everyone except Steven Avery.
Nevermind the fact that ST used this very alibi twice on October 31st.
The first time, to cover for his absence from work on that fateful day...
The second time, to get BJ off and far away from the Avery property during a most critical time frame in which the prosecution claims all of the
"shackling, raping, slashing, choking, punching, shooting and burning" that was alleged to be transpiring 60ft from Barb's front door on October 31st 2005.
What I find striking is how MW corroborated ST's alibi of going up to Green Bay that day... was that he simply asked Scott's girlfriend Barb if it were true... and of course she says... "Yeaah."
Excellent investigative work there Mark:
- could have at the least call the hospital to verify Scotts claim
- could have visited the hospital to verify Scotts claim. MW, JD, and JP were all in Green Bay a few times during the investigation.
- could have called on Scott's mother and perhaps chatted her up?
Maybe Mark was ordered to take a "hands off" approach to ST?
Interestingly enough an investigator does bother to take a poke at ST to verify that he had taken off from work that day and, in that process, it is revealed some interesting things about ST [
starting on CASO page 719]...
Most dramatically, that he had tried to sell .22 rifle to a coworker the weeks following Halbach's disappearance. But, like everything surrounding ST in the Halbach investigation, nothing ever comes of it.
Mark's stumbling testimony as seen in the testimony log above illustrates IMO quite clearly that LE wasn't going to be doing too much investigate'n into Mr. ST ...or any of his alibi's he gave for October 31st 2005.
But it gets even more ridiculous the more you digging you do.
Gone Hunt'n
Oh, by the way, Scott, who can corroborate that "hunting expedition" you undertook at 3pm on October 31st?... "oh just ask Bobby, my girlfriend's son... he saw me driving west on 147 to go hunting... he was going to hunt in my back yard."
Notice the pattern? The trinity of Barb, Bobby and Scott covering for each other.
Bye Bye Double Alibi
ST sandwiches some hunting time in between his two trips to Green Bay on the 31st of October 2005. His timing for his hunting expedition couldn't have been better...
because he gets an important alibi from the only verifiable person to ever see him at all that day up to that point. Bobby D.
On one hand you have Bobby coming east on 147 from Avery Auto Salvage after supposedly just seeing Halbach in his driveway,
and then you have Scott headed west on 147 in the direction of the salvage yard entrance, where Halbach should be pulling out onto 147, headed west toward Larabee ... as Steve Avery stated in his interview.
The two, as they pass each other, apparently have a moment of telekinesis... where they both know just where the other is headed without ever speaking to one another that day at all.
What is bothersome about this particular alibi is the fact that Scott was never asked exactly where he went hunting that afternoon... Or was he asked? ....just not directly so.
Bobby is in Scott's backyard hunting. But where is Scott? He isn't on any tangible radar so to speak. And in that very same sense neither is Bobby technically.
Without a third party to verify Scott and Bobby's Double Alibi it really becomes meaningless and unusable.
No one really knows for certain where either of them really were that Halloween afternoon.
For all anyone knows they could have gone to the Radandt Quarry and Deer Camp.
This is extremely alarming.
Why did they have to Alibi each other if they didn't do anything criminal? The reason the Alibi was so flimsy in the first place is because it was a lie. And it wasn't even a good one. And I think everyone who had watched MaM for the first time I am certain every single persons reaction to the double alibi was.... "Yea freaking right, BS!"
Both men had their credibility completely neutered by the defense and it reads powerfully in the trial transcripts.
Barb's Falsified Alibi
...For the record, falsifying an Alibi is a criminal offense and punishable by law...
She Spent The Night
Did Scott give Dedering A False Alibi For Barb?
She Slept At Home
Or is Scott lying to Law Enforcement twice?
Why did Scott Alibi Barb away from the property on the night of October 31st in his statement with CASO's Dedering? Was it because it would have been obvious to Barb that Avery didn't have a "10ft Bonfire in the pit" that night. And if Steve did... then surely it would have been noticed by Barb and the rest of the Dassey boys.
Why did Kratz insist that Barb slept at home October 31st? Was it that he needed her there with Brendan to help fortify Brendan's confessions later at his trial?
It all just does not add up.
The Trinity
The Jandych's
Barb was once an Avery
Barb has four kids with Peter Dassey: Bryan, Bobby, Blaine and Brendan
Then married Tom Janda.
Barb starts up with Scott ...who is her current husband's cousin.
Barb is now officially a Tadych.
Dizzy yet? You should be.
I once read that Tom Janda had a hustle shot with Teresa on the ASY in the months before her disappearance... Strange if true.
Now we have his cousin Scott kicking around the ASY with Barb, Tom's wife, in the months before Teresa's disappearance.
We have Scott continuously pointing the finger at Steve for the disappearance of Teresa. We have Scott seemingly being shielded from the investigation by Law Enforcement... Particularly the DCI.
We have Scott convincing Barb that Brendan should be questioned by investigators.
In the end we have Scott having the best day of his life and is thrilled that Avery "got what he had coming to him."
With Scott's Double Alibi with Bobby dismantled... serious questions begin to bubble to the surface. In particular those latent prints lifted from that RAV4 found on the ASY.
The latent prints indexed from the RAV4 were compared to the standards from everyone that was present on the ASY on October 31st 2005.
Everyone except one person. That's right. Scott.
He was there twice that day and he was very careful to testify that he never ever got out of his green Ford Ranger.
Scott has a decent criminal record. His print standards are all ready available at the Sheriff's Office.
Like Steve Avery proclaimed... "The truth always comes out in the end"
[–]SBRH33[S]
Yes. I have read on all sorts of depraved and criminal acts done to children by their parents.
In defense of Barb.... I think Scott was a... pressure cooker. One with a short fuse and a fast fist.
In fact that very "domestic" behavior is outlined in his arrest records.
But to clarify my belief in the matter.
I don't think Brendan was supposed to go to Jail. The State-Kratz needed Brendan to testify against Steve to give the sentence an air tight lid.
When Brendan recanted and more importantly refused Kratz's plea offer... only then did Kratz bring the full weight of the State down upon him. When Barb says Brendan always tells her to blame Mark for everything...
What she is saying is Mark most likely was reassuring Barb the entire time that Brendan wasn't going to go to jail for very long if they stuck to the script. But the plan went off of the rails.
Fassbender tried to quarterback the plan by urging Scott to have Barb convince Brendan to take that plea deal. But by the time of Brendan's trial.... IMO Barb wasn't willing to go through with it. She knew it was all one big lie. Especially after watching what happened to Steve in the courtroom weeks earlier. She was rightly pissed off at everyone.
[–]lmogier
Let's not forget the last or second to last episode with DA, Barb, plus other(s), where DA mentions how Mr "3 different conflicting alibis"
Scott told Barb that LEO told him to make sure BD took the plea deal he was offered. And that what he did on Oct 31st changed in all 3 of his statements. And that smear in the courtroom along with his disgusting statement after SA's conviction.
[–]Nexious
An excellent post.
As a follow-up here also is my summary of the differing narratives Scott offered between 2005 and 2007:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/71m2uu/summary_of_scott_ts_interviews_and_statements/
He goes from having nothing of substance to say about any fire (relying only on Barb's recollection that it was three feet high and that he thought nothing of it) to suddenly claiming the fire was the most memorable event of 10/31 as it was a roaring inferno the height of the garage. He changes the stories of who was outside, where and when, what time Barb was home or gone, what time he saw Bobby (shifting his timeline to before three come trial to more precisely match the state's narrative)...
Yesterday Barb nonchalantly mentioned that "they got Scott to bring me to the restaurant to try to get me to go by Brendan and tell him to take a plea bargain."
So they were literally working against Brendan and Barb through Scott, and he seemingly was cooperating with their requests.
Also we know from the JR affidavit that the investigators did what they could to inflate the size of the fire. I have no doubt this was the case with Scott as well to make it the centerpiece of his testimony, to implant in the jurors' minds the picture of Avery and Brendan standing around a 10 foot high fire with Teresa's body burning to ash.
Scott was described in very derogatory terms by coworkers... With one labeling him "a psycho" who "screams a lot" and "could be very capable of the murder or knowing something more." Another who said Scott was "acting weird and not himself." Scott also rambled to coworkers about the case, including about Brendan's stained jeans, only to eventually concede he really wasn't sure he actually saw the stains or just heard about them (after 3/1).
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/6020wd/he_got_away_with_it_scotfree/
Breaking into SA's trailer home (SA affidavit) (self.TickTockManitowoc)
by S_Hollmes
I'm a little confused. SA states he left the back door open Wed night (Nov 3rd), but also reports pry marks on the frame in his affidavit. Was there one break in? Or several break ins - one through open door, one later, when door was locked?
Also, when exactly did he smell cigarette smoke in his trailer?
[–]dogiggy
In the affadivit he mentions the officers asking to search the trailer on the morning of 11/4, they searched and then he locked it and left for work, and immediately follows up that he smelled cigarette smoke on 11/4.
He says he thought it was weird because he nor Jodi smoked and thought it meant someone was in his trailer, probably assuming LE wouldn't smoke in his trailer and that he mentioned that in an interview previously.
[–]dogiggy
He said he observed the pry marks on 11/5. He smelled the smoke Nov 4, the same day the two police officers in an unmarked car asked to search his trailer and he let them. I think it makes sense one of the officers may have been a smoker, or smoked in there, or the planter may have. If someone is a heavy smoker or just recently smoked leaving a lingering scent, a non-smoker would smell it immediately.
[–]dark-dare
You cannot prove there was a smoker in the trailer that day, however, the fact SA says this without prompting, at the time of the incident, and backed by a missing toothbrush, and marks on the door jam, and references missing blood from his sink, does make it a valid argument. He says it multiple times to multiple sources. It certainly speaks to reasonable doubt.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/6hfkcu/breaking_into_sas_trailer_home_sa_affidavit/
The Wisconsin Department of Criminal Investigations (DCI) reports taking the Janda residence computer hard drive on April 21, 2006. Former DCI Special Agent Thomas Fassbender’s report clearly states the computer forensics wasn’t ran until the following day, on April 22nd.
More than a week earlier, on April 10, 2006, we have the following exchange taking place between former Prosecutor Ken Kratz and Attorney Dean Strang:
1) Where is a copy, in full, of the the April 5, 2006, letter from Strang to Kratz, and what does it detail?
2) What is the importance of asking for the Janda Residence computer hard drive on April 5th, if it won’t even be investigated until the 22nd? (It appears as if both parties oddly have insight into the information already on this hard drive.)
Now, for the record, Dean Strang didn’t just send Kratz a letter and then it was magically forgotten about.
Dean Strang was at Barb Janda’s home on the very same day that DCI showed up, on Friday, April 21st, trying to get the hard drive in person. There’s recorded proof Strang was there. Play the video below starting at 13:30-14:05.
Dean @ Barb’s April 21st (Steven Avery's jail phone calls published by BM on Mar 1, 2016)
It was so important to get this hard drive, that we even hear Steven Avery knowing that the hard drive was going to be retrieved before the state ever tests it on April 22nd.
https://productionsouth.wordpress.com/2017/12/23/dean-strang-at-barbs-to-get-dassey-hard-drive-same-day-as-dci-solid-proof/
The same day, Kachinsky also forwarded O'Kelly a copy of Brendan's criminal complaint. O'Kelly reviewed the criminal complaint and made some notes about it in preparation for the polygraph exam, although he didn't remember doing so on the stand.
On April 16, 2006 (Easter Sunday) O'Kelly conducted the polygraph exam with Brendan at jail. O'Kelly setup his polygraph equipment and then turned a video recorder on and alerted the jail personnel that he was ready for Brendan. Note that O'Kelly never handed over the video of this polygraph exam and claimed to not have it as of 2010. O'Kelly said the same about other materials being lost or missing and therefore unavailable for Brendan's defense counsel. All of this is quoted from
, MoK's expenses form has April 9th 2006, as the polygraph date but I think that is an error by MoK because Nexious does his homework when posting
O'Kelly also went to Kratz's office to review photos/discovery this day (quoted from Nexious's post). It is obvious reading through the two posts linked at the very top of this post,
Mike K is Blaine's boss and calls the Dassey household on October 31st 2005 at around 5:30-5:45pm (the state try to push this call to 6pm at trial) to speak to Blaine, however, Blaine is out trick or treating and it is Brendan who Mike K ends up speaking to.
The warrant names Fassbender only, I believe the warrant is a DCI warrant because it is not listed in the "Warrants" section of the case files nor is it mentioned at all anywhere in the CASO report,
Brendan using the "nigerforlife" screen name. I can only assume both of these chats with Candy and Marie were done with DCI agents as
[(http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Amended-Supplement-to-Previously-Filed-Motion-for-Reconsideration.pdf)] (begins page 32)
However a later DCI report which is not written until 12/07/2006, names Wiegert as being involved in executing the warrant.
[(https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-FbC6qJwDACWK3OF_8v6siwHHr9GkGQL5PcxZTnsUEo/edit#gid=0)]
He alleged that most of these ideas came from the Dassey family themselves, and his written notes included:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/8ymmx6/important_little_reminders_just_a_coincidence/
