A Close Relative of a DCI Agent in the Teresa Halbach Case Lived on Kuss Road in 2005, and Another DCI Agent Went Undercover as an Autotrader Photographer in Early 2005

On 11/5/2005, a resident named Leo Richmond, who lives at 4201 Kuss Road, called in a tip to CASO about Teresa Halbach knocking on his door the night before (11:30 PM on Friday, 11/4). Leo said that Teresa was looking for a home in his area. Wiegert dismissed the tip and said he would call back later; however, there isn't a follow-up report in the CASO file.



Directly across the street from Leo's home at 4201 Kuss Road is 4130 Kuss Road. At the time of Teresa's disappearance, the home was owned and occupied by a young couple, Joshua and Brenda Sasse. One of the DCI investigators on the case (DCI Appleton field office), Michael C Sasse (CASO page 518), is a close relative to Joshua Sasse.




As of June 2018, tax records online no longer show previous owner information older than two years, but it was confirmed by a reddit user that Joshua and Brenda Sasse owned 4130 Kuss Road at the time of Teresa's disappearance (image below).



Possible Link (self.TickTockManitowoc)
by localtruther
December 13, 2017 

Photo is a residence on Kuss Road that shared the same last name with DCI special agent listed on page 518 of CASO file... Agent Sasse (Michael).

https://imgur.com/cDWKzcT

Could there be a link?

During, and right after, this couple went through a divorce, and both served in the military....Army, I believe (I have contacts).

Thoughts?

Search by name at Register of Deed's website:

https://rod.co.manitowoc.wi.us/landweb.dll/$/

Search by name or parcel/property number:

http://publicrecords.onlinesearches.com/view/slid/14658

Find parcel/property number:

http://webmap2.manitowoc-county.com/EasyAccess/
http://webmap2.manitowoc-county.com/AdvancedAccess/

[–][deleted]

Wait, the current owner shares a last name with Ken Kratz's mentor, former head of the litigation department for the WI DCI, Doug Haag.

[–]Newthingstobeseen

Seriously it always gets back to this guy [Doug Haas]. Isn't he involved in law/land real estate now? What was it? The famous quote by bathrobe Jesus: "There is fuckery in the land/quarry etc?"Gosh dang it. Can a veteran help me out?

[–]localtruther[S]

You are correct! I never made that connection the plot thickens!!! nice catch!

[–][deleted]

Page 37, Kratz writes to Haag for advice after he realizes that he's up to his earballs in a sh!tstorm that is out of his control

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Kratz-Emails_redacted.pdf

https://ballotpedia.org/J._Douglas_Haag

But keep in mind, there may be two, possibly three D++g H++gs from Wisconsin out there. There is the one from Manitowoc who developed campgrounds:

https://www.campjellystone.com/images/Haag.jpg

http://www.woodallscm.com/2014/12/doug-haag-describes-jellystones-origins/

And then there is the one who works for the State of Wisconsin DNR dealing with land issues.

http://dnr.wi.gov/news/releases/article/?id=3992

I had no idea about the other name, very interesting indeed !

[–]localtruther[S]

Interesting indeed! Could be absolutely nothing but you never know!

[–]liftsheavy

I also remember seeing a Koch living on Kuss Rd. I’m not sure if they are related to Koch Inc., who are in a bunch of industries including mineral extraction. Company had 100 billion in revenue in 2015. Most likely nothing but thought I would mention.

[–]Newthingstobeseen

And back to the post or comment by Bathrobe Jesus 2 years ago that its all related to the land grab.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/7jk959/possible_link/

Kuss Road (self.TickTockManitowoc)
by localtruther
June 21, 2018 

This place right here:

https://imgur.com/a/1GSEQ

You can get the address from Google and then go here:

http://webmap2.manitowoc-county.com/EasyAccess/

From this you can look at the parcel and tax records, and I would recommend looking in the timeframe of this case....

JS (Joshua Sasse) and BS (Brenda Sasse) should be your new searching terms.....

https://wcca.wicourts.gov/

Over the last year I have been researching this as much as possible and have learned the following:

• Both were X-Military (one for sure was M.P).
• Marital troubles right around the time of this case.

Search for last name SASSE and DCI and you will see an obvious potential connection (Michael C Sasse, DCI Appleton Field Office).

One of the people I encountered while researching this actually dated 'her' briefly (very briefly, as he stated she had a severe drinking problem at that time but has since turned her life around). I asked how they met.....Myspace! So it IS POSSIBLE for people that don't know each other to meet on that site apparently.

I wonder......was TH maybe somehow involved with JS? He works security for Wackenhut in Green Bay, so this isn't really that crazy....I would also wonder, with similar ages of Ryan Hillegas, Scott Bloedorn, Mike Hillegas, is there any other connection....?

This made me go hmm for some reason and I can't shake it!

I forgot this part......

https://www.doj.state.wi.us/sites/default/files/dci/regions.pdf

https://imgur.com/CsQOM3Z

Could this be why the obvious Appleton DCI office was not used?

If you look at the links you will see the Appleton office and who is in charge (Michael C Sasse).

This is the important last name to remember. The previous owners [of 4130 Kuss Road] also had that last name. 

I am not saying there is any correlation but after talking to someone who knows them and how abruptly their relationship went south it certainly makes me go hmm...

They are also basically right across the road from the "nothing to see here" location....it makes me wonder... 

If nothing else, perhaps no direct involvement, but maybe because of these ties they were told how this went down and to zip it?

[–]Foresthrutrees

https://imgur.com/a/cq82eCh

Oh, hell, there is a quarry road that runs behind the salvage yard directly to the cul de sac!

[–]idunno_why

That's the driveway to the deer hunting camp. 

The "possible gravesite" was found along that driveway, a little ways in from the cul-de-sac.

Images below of Kuss Road (click this link for more images):









[–]tuckerm33

"From this you can look at the parcel and tax records and I would recommend looking in the timeframe of this case.... JS and BS should be your new searching terms....."

So, I followed all these leads and all and still not sure who exactly JS and BS are, thought I figured it out, maybe I did, but not sure what the connection is.

Looked at current taxes but there's no intuitive way to look backward that I can see....

[–]localtruther[S]

Interesting it appears as though YESTERDAY they updated the records on all of our tax records and only show previous two years...hmm. When I started this post last week it all showed up. I will see what I can add above so you can all see the connections...

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/8ssfoj/kuss_road/

What if I were tell you..... (self.TickTockManitowoc)
by localtruther
October 24, 2018

There was a young couple (in the beginnings of a divorce) that lived on Kuss Rd, and one of the DCI investigators was a very close relative to them? Would you find that intriguing enough to look into it??

I have posted this before and every single time it has been deleted for one reason or the other...I still believe there could be something to this.

He is very close in age to Teresa Halbach and very well could have had some sort of fling or relationship with her either online or in person. 

HE and SHE (his estranged wife at the time) also both have previous Military Police experience.

What if an estranged wife walked in on them late afternoon of the 31st? I have seen the property and with the winds on Oct 31 and Nov 1st -- it would have been favorable for the scent to travel in the direction of basically no one!

The blood splatter in the back of RAV could very well be a surprise attack from another woman.....

The pits are RIGHT THERE and so is the hunting camp and the Kuss Rd site is also RIGHT THERE!

I've had this information for a long time and have investigated as much a civilianly possible.....

Would you have the same gut feeling that do? Or am I overthinking this....?

[–]that_1_friend

Can you go into more detail about this couple? Why do you think TH was involved with the husband?

[–]localtruther[S]

Only a possibility....similar age, scene, and both worked in Green Bay.

[–]Cant_u_see

It is possible that Teresa had another cell phone -- its very probable, I believe. 

This could probably be narrowed down by a comparison of her photography clients and the number of conversations she had with them! If she had clients with no record of communications with them its more than likely a second phone existed. Also could these be related to the deleted voicemails? Possibility! 

And lets not forget that a cell phone and business papers were discovered by Pam Sturm and the bar owner near the 147 turnaround that mysteriously disappeared! This is also the location where several people called in reporting seeing THs vehicle there!

Also, it is possible communication was done by text messaging -- how many times has a wife gone thru her husband's phone while he was sleeping. 

I could imagine a wife seeing a text that says something like, "Going to Avery's to do an Autotrader shoot, we can meet afterwords," or something to that effect. 

Remember the guy who chatted with Teresa on yahoo the night before and claimed that she knew she was going to Avery's the next day (CASO page 291).

Why didn't they subpoena the text message records? That doesn't make sense. Maybe they did but they are in the DOJ files -- which would clearly be a Brady violation -- and WHY are the DOJ files on this case sealed, and still sealed 14 years after the fact?

SO, YES, I BELIEVE THIS IS WORTHY OF A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION



[–]7-pairs-of-panties

Well...we do know that she has slept with other married men, so it’s not really out of the question. I suppose my question would be can you prove a connection? Do you have these peoples cell phone or home numbers from back then? If so, send them to KZ. Also would you happen to know if they owned a old white Jeep that the neighbor saw driving on conveyor road with the RAV.

[–]localtruther[S]

With the same last name as a DCI agent, I doubt the jeep is relevant....ALL other information we know stays the same.

I think the fact that we are all barking up the Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych tree actually makes the MTSO and CASO quite happy.

[–]hollieluluboo

I discovered this a while ago too. The problem is, just about everyone in Manitowoc and the surrounding counties are related in some way so once you start going down those rabbit holes there's no coming up!

[–]localtruther[S]

Actually, this particular family name is NOT indigenous to Manitowoc at all.

[–]hollieluluboo

It doesn't need to be. They just need to be married to someone who is.

[–]localtruther[S]

None are

[–]localtruther[S]

I'm 100% certain and actually have lots more information but can't post here....the current owner of the house, all would find interesting as well.

[–]larrytheloader123

Plausible theory. She very well could have arranged to meet this guy. Maybe why she activated call forwarding on her phone at the time she was receiving the call. Like a do not disturb.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/9r4ghe/what_if_i_were_tell_you/

[–]magilla39[S]

Each potential killer theory has its own way of finding TH's number. If it was a stalking boyfriend, they know it already. Then the voicemail is probably a quarrel. If it's an agent contracted by LE, then LE probably learned about TH by staking out SA and ASY and gave the information to the killer. The killer might have had time to set up a relationship with TH during early rounds.

[–]SBRH33

The digging happened according to Dedering near the field. I don't believe his report at all. In it he supplies the GPS coordinates of the dug up site. It is all BS.

Kuss Road is a very significant crime scene. It was covered up as best they could. The aerial photographs that show the Kuss Road Activity were not taken by Law Enforcement from how I understand it.

Kuss was the one crime scene that was locked down all day on the 8th according to Dedering's report. No one in and no one out.... The 8th was a well spring of a day evidence-wise for LE. The key and bone fragments were found that day and night.

Interestingly enough, the 8th is the very day that thermal imaging was being conducted over the Radandt Quarry, this operation is IMO what produced the clear pictures of the scene down on Kuss Road. I believe it was a third party that conducted this operation hence why LE couldn't control the photographs all too well... perhaps there are photographs of Kuss Road that no one has ever seen before.... suppressed by the Wisco DCI and WAG office.

https://imgur.com/a/EFu7t

One more interesting tid bit. Ryan was down there off of Kuss Road with a team of searchers on November 8th. It is mentioned in the same newspaper article that talks about the thermal imaging taking place from the air.

No one in and no one out. ....Yet Ryan and his "team of untrained law enforcement" are down there searching the woods..... for what?

Chromemykiss made an enormous discovery regarding the burn pile in the quarry. That burn pile is where Ertl was originally sifting in the quarry and where the pelvic bones were discovered. The defense and the prosecution refer to this location as a burn pile. But its most important distinction is that it was the municipal burn pile owned and used by Manitowoc County. This IMO is a huge discovery and a staggering omission from the trial.

That burn pile no longer exist since I believe Michels now owns that portion of the quarry now.

Think about that.... and how all of the evidence was being located in the quarry areas but seemed to migrate over to Avery's neck of the woods for "official discovery"..... and how Loof's tracking was ignored, but probably helped LE find evidence scattered around the quarry and trailers.... Loof was used, but not for good IMO.





Gravel Mounds in the Manitowoc County Pit (Images Below)

"We were then sent to the County Gravel pit, south of the Avery property. K9 Brutus was transported by ATV to that location where burn piles and fresh digs had been identified. We checked several areas in the gravel pit and fresh digs in the walls of the pit, without interest from the dog. Numerous shell casings and unspent bullets were observed. In an area of large concrete slabs, several burn piles had been marked. K9 Brutus barked on two separate locations on this pile (ALERT#15). These locations were double flagged for identification, once the locations were logged/mapped for evidence. In both locations, Brutus barked and dug at the burned area in the concrete." [Source]

Joshua Radandt: "A few days after November 5, 2005, I remember seeing light in the Manitowoc County sand and gravel pit to the south of Radandt's property. I remember that the lights appeared to illuminate the entire Manitowoc County pit."




Volunteers essential in search for Halbach
Green Bay Press Gazette - Green Bay, Wis.
Subjects: Sex crimes; Police
Author: Srubas, Paul
Date: Nov 9, 2005
Start Page: B.1
Section: Local/State Document

MISHICOT -- It's nearly 1 p.m., and Ryan Hillegas is leaning on the fender of his car, killing time and waiting for his troops to come out of the woods. The search for the missing Teresa Halbach has been ongoing since daybreak, and Hillegas is hungry. He tears into a Krispy Kreme doughnut, the only food he's had time for all day.

He takes a call on his cell phone, participates in a driveby interview with a television news crew in a sport utility vehicle and copies into a spiral notebook the phone numbers and other notes he's scrawled on his forearm while he was in the woods.

Hillegas, 25, in his faded green "hoodie" sweatshirt, dirty jeans and sneakers and with a stocking cap pulled low over his ears, is an unlikely looking general. And the rag-tag troops that begin to materialize out of the woods in search of further orders and a bit of lunch are an unlikely looking army.

But, according to Calumet County Sheriff Jerry Pagel, they are an indispensable part of the search team that is looking for answers in the disappearance of Halbach, the 25-year-old photographer who has been missing since Oct. 31.

State troopers, police officers and sheriff's deputies working the case on Tuesday alone numbered more than 125, but the search area consists of hundreds of acres of mostly farmland and thick woods -- too much for police alone.

It was Hillegas' crew that found Halbach's car Saturday on the 40-acre salvage yard belonging to the family of Steve Avery, who was convicted of a 1985 sexual assault and exonerated by DNA evidence 18 years later.

It's that 40 acres where police are focusing their investigation, but a police helicopter and plane equipped with thermal imaging devices are circling a much wider area Tuesday afternoon, including the thick woods where Hillegas and the civilian force are searching. 

Dozens of cars, most festooned with missing-person posters featuring Halbach's face, are parked up and down the sides of Old County Y, the staging area for the day's search. During the lunch break, searchers gather at the trunks of some of the cars, making sandwiches, or stand in clusters in the road talking and eating. Most are dirty and have cockleburs sticking to their clothing from their morning efforts.

"Thank you, everybody, for what you're doing," a passing motorist tells them as she cruises carefully past them.

Hillegas works closely with the police. He meets with them daily. They tell him the areas to search, what would be helpful and what would be "getting in the way." And he stays in touch with them by cell phone.

Hillegas has no background in law enforcement. He studied nursing in school and is currently unemployed.

Everything he knows about conducting search-and-rescue operations he's learned in the last few days -- advice from cops -- or has seen on TV. If his crew finds anything suspicious, they're under orders to flag it and notify Hillegas, who will notify police who will come check it out.

"We're telling them to look for anything unnatural, if anything is out of place, if the ground is displaced, or articles of clothing," Hillegas said.

Most of the volunteers are armed with cell phones. Hillegas and his lieutenant, Scott Bloedorn, pour over aerial maps that they downloaded from the Internet. They mark off areas of interest in magic marker.

"It's really amazing how well it's been organized," said Aubrey Wygralak of Pulaski, who participated in the search Monday. "It's all due to Ryan and Scott. Ryan is absolutely amazing. I don't know where this would be without him."

Most of the volunteers, like Hillegas and Bloedorn, are in their mid-20s and are also unschooled in search operations. They, too, are learning as they go.

On Tuesday, search efforts look anything but amateur. The searchers march into the woods using a "line-of-sight" formation, in which each person stays within eye contact of searchers on either side of him or her, so they can descend into wooded gullies and thickets with some assurance that they are truly covering the area with the search.

They're all motivated by the same thing: They know and love Halbach, worked with her, went to school with her or even just lived near her for a few years. Hillegas, who lives in Hilbert, dated Halbach in high school and has been fast friends with her ever since. Bloedorn has known Halbach since childhood and has been, up to her disappearance, her roommate in the farmhouse in St. John that they rent from Halbach's parents.

Up to 120 people have been helping in the search, taking off from work or school to participate.

"For any of our effort, even if we don't know where we're going, it's honoring her," said A.J. Kluth, formerly of Green Bay and now a Chicago college student.

Kluth was following the search efforts on the Internet and could no longer stand it; he canceled his classes, his wife, Sarah, canceled her work obligations, and they drove up from Chicago to participate in the search for Halbach.

"She'd have done it for us," Kluth said.

[–]liftsheavy

Why did they get search warrants on the 7th and 8th for properties on Kuss Road?

Page 27 in Kratz's Discovery -- Consents to Search (6 pages):

Earl Avery (11/5/05)
Joshua Radandt (11/5/05) - quarry & deer camp off Kuss Road
Susanne Richmond (11/7/05) - 4201 Kuss Road
Todd VanderWarf (11/7/05) - 4183 Kuss Road and vacant lot of possible burial site
Milton Maly (11/8/05) - property on County Road Q

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Kratz-Correspondence-Regarding-Discovery_redacted.pdf

Todd V. = The last house on the right at the end of Kuss Rd.

Susanne R. = The second to last house on Kuss Rd.

Milton M. = It shows his property is on County Road Q and not connected to Kuss Rd. I am not sure why they are searching this property?

[-]magiclougie

The last house on the east side of Kuss Road, the one closest to the deer camp, is 4183 Kuss Road, and it is owned by the Vanderwarfs. They also own the 2.2 acres vacant parcel bordering 4183 Kuss Road, at the cul-de-sac. This vacant parcel also borders Radandt's property and the driveway off of Kuss Road leading to his deer camp. This is the vacant parcel of the possible burial site.



[–]OpenMind4U[S]

Was it tracking Teresa Halbach alive or dead?

Scent dogs are tracking the scent based on 'exemplar' which was given to them to smell...meaning, if TH shoes was used as the 'exemplar' then scent dogs were following TH smell (obtained from her shoes), But it does NOT mean that scent dogs were 'following' the smell of dead or alive person. They simply following TH scent.

Cadaver dogs are recognized the human's DECOMPOSITION smell produced from human. For example, if you cut your hand 2 weeks ago and your hand was bleeding inside of your car and you didn't wiped your car then cadaver dog will 'alert' to your car because your blood starts decomposing or already decomposed (depends on the time and temperature factors in which your car was stored for these 2 weeks). The decomposition process of human's 'product' (blood, skin, mucus...) creates specific smell/gases which cadaver dogs could smell. But again, it does NOT mean that you're dead. It's simply mean that your old blood (the 'product' of your body) has been decomposed inside of your car. Therefore cadaver dogs made alert to SA's old blood in his bathroom.

Police dogs originally tracked Teresa's remains to the Manitowoc gravel site. Kathleen contends that something happened to Teresa prior to her remains being found on the Avery property. pic.twitter.com/RTdZKnFeYW

— Making A Murderer (@MakingAMurderer) November 1, 2018

@ken723ken So many things about her bothered me..So I dug..and what do you know...In 1995, a Cathy Willeford pops up as a DOJ special agent named in an appeal. Oh and if you try to search DOJ special agent Cathy Willeford online, it all comes back to Kathy Willeford. Feel caught? pic.twitter.com/U9Fd9NKcC2

— TickTockManitowoc (@TManitowoc) November 11, 2018

CASO witness was most likely a DOJ special agent (self.TickTockManitowoc)
by tick_tock_manitowoc
November 10, 2018

Found it odd that Angela Schuster of Autotrader said in her DCI interview she "thinks Willeford works for the state of WI"... and her CASO interview is completely out there with her statement. So many oddities.

I found it particularly odd a photographer with AT is suddenly jumping to the ranks of a state employee.

Why wouldn't it be weird?

If she already was.

Kathy Willeford is in the new Convicting A Murderer trailer as the "It could have been me!!" sobbing moron.

Turns out...in 1995 a convicted felon's appeal was confirmed. The arresting officers in that case? Some DOJ guy, some DOJ guy and DOJ special agent Cathy W (name redacted, but you know who it is).

The report has nothing to do with Avery. It was found during a search of a lawyer news website for a case that was affirmed in 1996, and she was named in it.

Any online search for Cathy links right back to the one in the documentary.

So now Deb Strauss' call on 11/4, almost a full day before the RAV4 is found, to CASO offering her help to investigate Steven because she is "not a fan of that guy," makes sense.

DOJ setup all the way.

A DOJ agent takes photographs for AT, and after 4 months she quits the job. Then 10 months later, Teresa -- who had been to Willeford's house (Willeford, the only AT employee to ever meet Teresa, other than Schuster) -- ends up dead. And DOJ swarms the Avery property, but not before another DOJ special agent (Deb Strauss) calls CASO, before any evidence is found, and offers to help investigate.

Cathy is documented in court files as being a DOJ special agent. I am sure there is an explanation of why she is an agent, then suddenly not when she steps on Avery's property. But the ball will be in DOJ's court to explain this.

Which is more likely...she stopped being a LE agent in her mid-30's and suddenly decided to take photographs of cars for about $8-$18 per car... pictures in the middle of winter in an area documented by the manager of AT as not getting much business in the winter months... Or she was employed by the DOJ, visiting the property where the DOJ would be swarming 10 months later? I'd say it's more likely she was undercover as a photographer on the property to shoot surveillance photos in a way that didn't look suspicious at all.

If Kathy Willeford stepped on the Avery property on Janury 2005 as a DCI agent, and Schuster confirms her employment, you have to ask..Why was a DOJ agent undercover with them, and at Avery's? Surveillance? Plans for a later frame-up? DOJ would know the trailer and garage layout.

— TickTockManitowoc (@TManitowoc) November 12, 2018

Why would DOJ special agent Kathy Willeford go undercover with AT?

Simple. Surveillance photos. What better cover to be snapping pics of the trailer or garage in January 2005 than being out there "taking pics of cars for sale".

— TickTockManitowoc (@TManitowoc) November 12, 2018

[–]ThackerLaceyDeJaynes

The address that is redacted on the LE report....matches. This Cathy...that LE states is an employee of the State of Wisconsin...has the beginning numbers of N3126. She was DOJ in 1995, Auto Trader in 2004, but with the State AGAIN?

Doubt it.

This could be f'n huge.

[–]sunshine654654

So she went undercover as an at photographer prior to the death of Teresa?

[–]tick_tock_manitowoc[S]

Either that... or her statement is fabricated to present the "Avery is creepy" status.

If she stepped onto the property as an agent of the DOJ 10 months before TH was killed, then we are talking about a MAJOR conspiracy to frame him.

I am not enough of a conspiracy theorist to think that, so I am more willing to say they just used her to create the "Steven creeped TH out" aura, with her CASO statement to corraborate Ken's claims (CASO page 331).

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CASO-Investigative-Report.pdf#page=331

TYPE OF ACTIVITY: Interview of:
Kathy D. Willeford
DOB 09/30/68
N3126 Deercreek Ct.
Waldo, WI 53093
Telephone number: 920-528-7755
DATE OF ACTIVITY: 11/04/06
REPORTING OFFICER: Inv. Mark Wiegert

On 01/04/06 at approximately 1800 hours, I (Inv. WIEGERT of the CALUMET COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT) had telephone contact with KATHY WILLEFORD. My reason for contacting KATHY was that she was a photographer for AUTO TRADER magazine prior to TERESA HALBACH. KATHY states she started working for the AUTO TRADER magazine on 12/02/04 and worked until 04/20/05.

I asked KATHY if she had ever been to the AVERY residence in her job duties as a photographer for AUTO TRADER magazine. KATHY told me she had been to STEVEN AVERY's residence on one occasion. KATHY states she believes it was on the date of 01/25/05. She states she believes it was a Tuesday because that was the normal day she would go out and take photos.

According to KATHY, she received a "lead sheet" from AUTO TRADER magazine. KATHY states those are the sheets they get when they are to go out and take photos. KATHY states she went to the STEVEN AVERY residence on the morning of 01/25/05 sometime between 11:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. She stated when she arrived, she observed an Olds Cutlass, which was parked outside. She states when she drove up, she noticed the vehicle and then got out of her car and walked up to the vehicle to verify it was the one that she was to take the photo of. She states she remembers driving to the residence and that it was very desolate there and she was somewhat concerned about that.

When KATHY drove up to the AVERY residence, she stated there was nobody outside. After verifying the car, KATHY walked up to the STEVEN AVERY residence and knocked on the door. At that time, STEVEN stuck his head out and stated he would be right outside. After several minutes, KATHY indicates STEVEN walks out of the trailer and she takes the picture.

KATHY stated she then asked STEVEN about the narrative he was suppose to write up. STEVEN told KATHY he forgot to write it up at which time he went inside the trailer. KATHY stated at that time she walked up onto the porch and waited for STEVEN to come back out with the narrative. KATHY stated it seemed to take an unusual amount of time for him to write up the short narrative, which was suppose to go along with the picture. She stated it was very cold outside and, at one point, STEVEN poked his head out the door and stated if she was cold, she could come inside his trailer. KATHY states she knows they have a policy against going into people's houses, so she went back and sat in her vehicle.

KATHY told me it took a good ten minutes for STEVEN to come back out of the trailer. When he came back out, he walked over to her vehicle and handed her the narrative to go along with the pictures she had taken. According to KATHY, STEVEN said to her if this works out, that his sister has a car for sale and he may do the same thing as in putting it in the AUTO TRADER. KATHY states prior to leaving, STEVEN asked KATHY how he could contact her if he needed to. KATHY told STEVEN he could call the main office number like he had previously done.

I asked KATHY if at any time STEVEN did anything out of the ordinary or suspicious. KATHY stated he (meaning STEVEN) did not; however, she stated, "He creeped me out." I asked KATHY what she meant by that to which KATHY stated it was just the way STEVEN was staring at her. KATHY also stated when she pulled up, the dogs were barking very loudly so STEVEN would have had to have known that somebody was outside the trailer; however, he never came out until she went and knocked on his door.

KATHY stated that was the only time she had been to the AVERY residence and then she quit working for the AUTO TRADER in April.

According to KATHY, when she was taking pictures for AUTO TRADER, she was using a Nikon Coolpix (ph) 2100 camera. KATHY states after she quit working for AUTO TRADER, TERESA had come to her residence, she believes in the month of May, and picked up her camera for the AUTO TRADER. According to KATHY, TERESA was already working for AUTO TRADER before KATHY quit working there. I asked her how she knew this to which KATHY stated she had seen her name on a roster of employees.

In speaking with KATHY, she stated when she talked with TERESA, TERESA had stated she had to pick her camera up and had mentioned something about the AUTO TRADER having a storage facility. TERESA had told KATHY that every once in a while AUTO TRADER had her go to the storage facility.

I ended my interview with KATHY at approximately 1810 hours.

Investigation continues.

Inv. Mark Wiegert
Calumet Co. Sheriff's Dept.



[–]KaizenKZ

It would literally explain many of the biggest missing pieces/WTF's in this case. Halbach family behaviors for starters, and then the shit all unravels.

I am suddenly reminded of Sarah Gee's statement: "In 2005, SA's lawsuit was Manitowoc biggest nightmare, KZ is about to make that nightmare look like a happy place."

The stakes were:

SA civil suit

Those exposed not covered by state/town insurance

Loss of jobs, pensions, social status etc etc etc

PennyB would sue victims of assaults/rape of GAllen

Then the #GoldenGoose of all would be the full exposure of other cases and the crime lab.

This was a HUGE HUGE MOTIVATION. Feel free to add other areas of exposure.

[–]N64_Controller

So was TH killed? Or is the conspiracy bigger than that...

[–]KaizenKZ

I don't think she was killed at all, no.

[–]hnfhelper

zero evidence of TH dead

[–]MaxMathematician

Despite suspecting it as almost everyone has, it's chilling to read this.

[–]sunshine654654

Yes, I agree with option 2. If it is the same person, it's huge.

[–]7-pairs-of-panties

It’s shocking and SAD SAD SAD. Their lies are unraveling on them.

[–]pdent

To add, she's also friendly with Fauske. The dog handler who was involved in the case!

I knew something was extremely odd about her demeanour in that CAM trailer.

The gloves are coming off. Dirty moves all around.

[–]JJacks61

I look at the actions of several of the DOJ agents and it becomes clear. This is how many of them operate, possibly even trained. It is a perceived personal vendetta, and less about looking for the truth.

I seriously doubt that phone from Strauss to CASO was out of the ordinary. That was a really shitty and brazen thing she said: she was part of Peg's investigation into MTSO, and she damn well knew there was a cover up.

These are the kinds of people KZ and her team have to deal with. Garbage.

[–]KaizenKZ

It's motivation is and always is $$$$

[–]Coriolana

The Cathy/Kathy have different spellings. Are you sure these are the same people?



[–]tick_tock_manitowoc[S]

Well considering Schuster said she worked for the state of WI and if you try to search Cathy online, it always points back to Kathy's info...i'd say they are.

[–]KaizenKZ

Oopsie just a typo they will claim. Lol

[–]Casablank10

This is huge! Good work putting this together.

[–]hnfhelper

So Cathy was undercover as Autotrader employee... so was either Carmen or Teresa. This goes all the way to the top; and as Barb said back in 2007, "I think the Halbachs set this whole thing up, I really do."

[–]bonnieandy2

This is amazing stuff, how do we confirm they are one and the same, CKathy?

[–]dugdiggins

"Found it odd that Schuster said in her DCI interview she "thinks Willeford works for the state of WI"...and her CASO interview is completely out there with her statement. So many oddities."

This adds to the speculation that Teresa was a CI, who got the job with AT to spy on Steven.

According to McGrath's DCI report on his interview with Schuster, Schuster said Teresa was referred to her by a customer, whose name she didn't remember, and it was Teresa who contacted Schuster for the job.

According to the CASO file, Martinzez (the guy who struck his girlfriend with a hatchet) said Steven thought Teresa was spying on him and "was coming to his house to pinpoint him for a crime he did not commit."

According to the CASO file, Jodi's stepfather said his co-worker told him that "there was more going on than was coming out" and it involved Martinez.




[–]N64_Controller

It feels like we are getting really close to the truth now..

[–]Moonborne11

Great find. Did Kathy take photos at the salvage yard prior to TH working at AT?

[–]tick_tock_manitowoc[S]

She claims she did in January 2005.

[–]Moonborne11

It would certainly be an interesting twist if someone from the yard remembers her and she's employed by the DOJ, wouldn't it?

IMO, it would begin to explain a whole lot.

[-] black-dog-barks

Up until all this new BoD stuff I'd of said it's most likely TH is alive, and maybe she is...and to get SA a new trial Zellner has to use BoD. KZ can not just come out and say TH was a undercover cop, or she faces jail time, as laws were made to keep their ID secret. It would explain the Halbachs' actions. They know she is relocated and her ID as TH must remain as dead. Pretty sick of the Sheriff to use SA as the Patsy, and also take down BD ... but as KZ says, they are disposable.

Somewhere in all the readings about the case a "CI" is involved.

Autotrader-like magazines have always been a bookie's dream, and no doubt a place to launder $$ for the drug trade...

Some theories presented in Tick Tock have been that TH was working for the Justice Dept. If TH had been discovered as being undercover could that have caused the death of cousin Carmin? You may not feel they look alike, but I see they could be sisters.

Did a certain drug dealer give Carmin an extra heavy does of heroin thinking she was TH?

Did TH then become too hot for the Justice Dept to continue to be an operative in MC... removed to go on assignment like in the Washington State area?

The Sheriff of MC then makes the best of a bad thing... he uses Carmin's bones to set up SA... he has her blood on file, just enough from a vile to make the SUV look like a crime happened... and if needed TH would donate her blood so that it appeared she was dead to the cartels.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/9w00gj/caso_witness_was_most_likely_a_doj_special_agent/