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Federal Court of Appeals Rules That Brendan Dassey's Confession Was Not Coerced and His Conviction Should Stand [Updated 12/8/2017]

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Making a Murderer Update: Brendan Dassey Release BLOCKED (Brad Schimel & Judges EXPOSED)


Much of the Dassey-focused portion of Making a Murderer illustrates how Dassey's first lawyer did a terrible job. The lawyer seems to have concluded that Dassey was guilty without even meeting with him and without ever considering the possibility that he might be innocent, gave damning statements to the press, and hired a private investigator who was more or less working for the police. However, the key evidence against Dassey was the video of an interview before his ineffective lawyer began representing him. On the basis of Dassey's recorded confession, the jury convicted him of murder, and his state court appeals failed. Despite the very high burden, Dassey obtained habeas relief from a federal district judge, who concluded that the confession was involuntary. A panel of the Seventh Circuit affirmed, but last week the en banc Seventh Circuit reversed by a vote of 4-3. [Source]

Brendan Dassey’s confession was coerced. In a society that values the presumption of innocence and the reasonable-doubt standard before an individual can be deprived of his freedom, Brendan Dassey’s story is disturbing; indeed, frightening. There is enough reasonable doubt here to drive a tractor-trailer through. [Source]



When Finality Trumps Common Sense: Brendan Dassey Denied
By Justin Brown, Brown and Nieto Law Firm
December 13, 2017

This week the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the legality of Brendan Dassey’s confession to the 2005 killing of Teresa Halbach, finding that it was voluntary and could be used against him at trial. To many of the millions of people who watched video of the confession in the Netflix documentary series “Making a Murderer,” the appellate court’s conclusion was incomprehensible.

Dassey was 16 years old at the time and it was apparent that he had an intellectual deficit. The police spoon-fed him a confession that he barely seemed to understand; they led, and he unwittingly followed. At one point, Dassey, oblivious to the extent of the trouble he was in, poignantly asked whether he would be home in time to see Wrestlemania. The scene made viewers cringe.

Most of us know how all of this played out for Dassey: following his so-called confession, he was arrested, tried and, based almost entirely on what he had told police, he was convicted of murder. Now that the Seventh Circuit has rejected his claim, by a 4-3 vote, it would take the improbable intervention of the Supreme Court to grant him any relief.

So how could the court system uphold Dassey’s conviction and affirm his sentence of life in prison? The answer lies in a powerful tenet of criminal law that is as much to blame as anything else for wrongful convictions.

Our criminal justice system values “finality” above virtually all else. It is enumerated in our statutes and embedded in our Supreme Court jurisprudence. As the argument goes, litigation cannot drag on forever, and, for the sake of judicial economy, our system needs to reach a conclusion. Judges, juries, victims and even defendants need to put the past behind them, according to the principle of finality, and only then does society reap the benefits of closure.

Yet, this notion of finality has very real dangers – and these dangers are played out in courts all around the country. Overly strict adherence to the tenet of finality can mean that preservation of convictions takes precedence over ascertaining the truth

When this powerful legal principle is put in the hands of aggressive prosecutors, with receptive judges, it can act as a trump card more compelling than even the most egregious constitutional violation. 

Making matters worse, most inmates are poor and distrusted, making it even more unlikely that they can mount the type of legal challenge that can overcome a settled conviction.

The Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 (AEDPA) – the statute under which Dassey petitioned the federal courts for relief – is partially to blame. The law erects so many obstacles in the name of finality that even an innocent petitioner is unlikely to be granted relief

In fact, while actual innocence can help an inmate clear some of ADEPA’s procedural hurdles, it does not in and of itself entitle a petitioner to relief.

The legal system’s deference to finality is particularly troubling as we increasingly become aware of the prevalence of wrongful convictions. 

DNA testing has taught us that sometimes – more often that we would like to admit – the criminal justice system gets things wrong. Innocent people get convicted. Unfortunately most wrongful convictions cannot be cured by DNA evidence. 

Criminal defendants are wrongly convicted based on mistaken identifications, junk science, lying witnesses and, yes, false confessions. 

While some wrongful convictions are overturned, most are not.

It is undeniable that the need for finality in criminal convictions is legitimate, even important. But so too is the need for justice and fairness. It is heartbreaking to think that even one person would wrongly spend his life in prison for a crime he did not commit. There is wisdom in what Benjamin Franklin once said: “It is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer.”

Our system fails us all when it favors archaic rules and obscure technicalities over truth. 

The case of Brendan Dassey is one instance in which the criminal justice system has gotten it wrong. 

Upon viewing the video recording of his interview, common sense tells us that the police coerced him. His confession was involuntary and it should have been thrown out of court. Yet, the further along in the legal process Dassey goes, the more unlikely it becomes that the problem will be corrected. At some point, the rigors of our law, and the premium placed on finality, become too much to overcome.

The outcome of the Dassey case is not something we can be proud of. Rather, it underscores a problem with our system that we need to fix.

The Tragic, Real-Life Epilogue to Netflix’s “Making a Murderer” (Excerpt)
By James Warren, Vanity Fair
December 11, 2017 

A federal appeals court in Chicago has released a rather astonishing 4-3 decision in the case of Brendan Dassey.

(A version of this column originally appeared on Poynter.org.)

The press evince justifiable pride these days over so much great work—on sexual harassment, Donald Trump and myriad other topics. For sure, it's mixed with anxiety over shaky business models, a Trump-fueled decline in public esteem and painful screw-ups, such as those of late by CNN and ABC News.

And then there's this frequent occupational reality: press achievements that come crashing or go unacknowledged. Those limits of journalism are typified by an engrossing and controversial Netflix series and its account of a troubled young man named Brendan Dassey.

On Friday a federal appeals court in Chicago released a rather astonishing 4-3 decision in which it overturned a lower court and upheld a murder conviction against Dassey, a learning disabled Wisconsin man who was badgered by cops (at age 16) into a murder confession. The interrogation video was a central element of the Netflix series, Making a Murderer, an exploration of apparent police and prosecutorial misconduct that got tons of attention after it premiered on Dec. 18, 2015. Here's a Rolling Stone piece, one of many.

As much anger and conflict as the 10-part series generated about the conviction of the central figure, Steven Avery, there was virtual consensus that his nephew, Dassey, was screwed.

Even the reviews that underscored ambiguity about the whole Netflix project, such as in The New Yorker, were taken aback by Dassey's fate. The New Yorker, for one, tagged him "a stone-quiet, profoundly naïve, learning-disabled teen-ager with no prior criminal record, who is interrogated four times without his lawyer present. In the course of those interrogations, the boy, who earlier claimed to have no knowledge of (the murder victim), gradually describes an increasingly lurid torture scene that culminates in her murder by gunshot. The gun comes up only after investigators prod Dassey to describe what happened to (the victim's) head."

So he was indicted and convicted. It was upheld in state court, then moved to federal courts where it was reversed. Now the entire appeals court decides the confession was legitimate and upholds a life sentence. Even the majority opinion, written by Indiana moderate David Hamilton (President Obama's first judicial appointee, in 2009), concedes, "He was young. He was alone with the police. He was somewhat limited intellectually. The officers’ questioning included general assurances of leniency if he told the truth, and Dassey may have believed they promised more than they did."

In fact, his I.Q. was 83. And he plaintively asked if he be back at school by 1:29 because he had a project due for 6th period.

But in what could be part of law school class on the profound criminal justice issues, notably confessions, Hamilton says he looks guilty. Those who concur are law and order conservatives Frank Easterbrook, Michael Kanne and Diane Sykes, who was briefly a Milwaukee Journal reporter before heading into the law. She was considered by Trump for the Supreme Court vacancy he filled with Neil Gorsuch, and her-ex husband, Charlie Sykes, is a longtime conservative radio talk host (and Trump critic from the right).

The majority take prompts two rather astonishing dissents by one or more of three judges: Diane Wood (who was always on Obama's short list for the Supreme Court), Ann Williams (a Ronald Reagan appointee who was the first black female on the Chicago federal bench) and Ilana Rovner (a Reagan appointee and saint of a person who escaped the Nazis in her native Latvia as a child with her mother).

Here's Wood: "His confession was coerced, and thus it should not have been admitted into evidence. And even if we were to overlook the coercion, the confession is so riddled with input from the police that its use violates due process. Dassey will spend the rest of his life in prison because of the injustice this court has decided to leave unredressed. I respectfully dissent."

And Rovner: "He was young, of low intellect, manipulable, without a friendly adult, and faced repeated accusations, deception, fabricated evidence, implic‐ it and explicit promises of leniency, police officers disingenuously assuming the role of father figure, and assurances that it was not his fault...Even under our current, anachronistic under‐ standing of coercion, Dassey’s confession was so obviously and transparently coercively obtained that it is unreasonable to have found otherwise."

It's ironic—maybe more—that Richard Posner, who was generally conceded to be the most influential judge-academic of his generation and the most influential judge not on the Supreme Court, suddenly and surprisingly quit the Chicago appeals court in September at a still prolific 78. If he were around, odds are that he would have voted with the dissenters, made it 4-4 and thus affirmed the earlier reversal of Dassey's conviction.

But no. Dassey will remain in prison, it would appear, until he dies. So you've got time to download Making a Murderer. And, as you watch, be reminded of the strengths of journalism—but how even the most meticulously detailed conclusions can lead ultimately to exasperation, not satisfaction, and precious little attention.

By Michael C. Dorf, Newsweek 
December 15, 2017 

This article first appeared on Dorf on Law.

In 1970, the University of Chicago Law Review published an article titled Is Innocence Irrelevant? Collateral Attack on Criminal Judgments by federal appeals court judge Henry Friendly.

Judge Friendly was a judicial conservative in the small-c sense, non-ideological, committed to deciding cases narrowly, and an expert legal craftsman.

As a young lawyer, Chief Justice John Roberts clerked for Friendly during Friendly's later years, and Roberts is fond of quoting (though not always abiding by) Friendly's aphorism that if it is not necessary to decide an issue to decide a case, it is necessary not to decide the issue.

Is Innocence Irrelevant? Was somewhat uncharacteristic of Friendly in that it offered a controversial policy proposal on a politically contentious issue.

Writing in a period of transition from the Warren Court to the Burger Court, Friendly lamented that federal habeas corpus petitions by prisoners sentenced under state law were too often succeeding based on procedural irregularities that had no connection to innocence.

To use the more nakedly political argot, federal courts were letting guilty state prisoners off on technicalities.

Quoting Justice Hugo Black's dissent in a then-recently-decided case, Judge Friendly offered what he regarded—and what many still regard—as a self-evidently sensible proposition: "The defendant's guilt or innocence is at least one of the vital considerations in determining whether collateral relief should be available to a convicted defendant."

The ensuing nearly five decades have proven Judge Friendly prophetic—but probably not in a way that he would have approved.

In 1976, the Supreme Court held that habeas corpus would not be available at all for petitioners claiming that otherwise-reliable evidence obtained in violation of the Fourth Amendment was used to convict them.

The next year, the Court would make it considerably harder for petitioners who had failed to raise their objections in compliance with state court rules to obtain relief in federal court on otherwise meritorious claims.

Other judicial narrowings followed and then, in 1996, Congress passed and President Bill Clinton signed the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act (AEDPA), which further limited habeas corpus.

The Court decisions and AEDPA have made it much more difficult for prisoners without plausible constitutional claims that bear on innocence to obtain relief via habeas corpus.

To my mind, that is understandable if not ideal: understandable because innocents serving prison sentences or awaiting execution suffer a much graver injustice than guilty parties whose proceedings were tainted by constitutional error; not ideal because habeas review once served, but no longer serves, as a means of ensuring that state court judges under political pressure to be tough on crime give full effect to the constitutional rights of criminal defendants.

But even if one thinks that Congress and the courts were right to cut back on habeas in cases where prisoners raise claims that speak only to the fairness of the proceedings, not to guilt or innocence, there is cause for alarm.

Modern habeas law honors only half of Judge Friendly's agenda. It makes the bringing of habeas petitions by guilty defendants considerably harder than in the Warren Court era.

But it also makes it extremely difficult for the innocent to obtain habeas relief. That proposition was on full display late last week in an en banc ruling by the US Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit.

Spoiler Alert: I will now discuss a case that figures in the Netflix documentary series Making a Murderer. If you intend to watch it but have not yet done so, you might want to bookmark the column and come back here after viewing.

For those readers who did not (and do not intend to) watch or have forgotten the basic story of Making a Murderer, it goes like this:

(1) From 1985 to 2003, Steven Avery of Manitowoc County, Wisconsin, served a prison sentence for a sexual assault he did not commit;

(2) after he was exonerated, Avery sued the county and various police officials who were, the documentary indicates, at least grossly negligent in the handling of his case;

(3) while the civil suit was pending, Avery was arrested for the murder of photographer Teresa Halbach;

(4) the case against Avery was largely circumstantial, including evidence that appeared to result from police tampering and other improper procedure;

(5) that said, the police sometimes try to frame guilty people, and I came away from Making a Murderer thinking that Avery might be guilty of murdering Halbach, even if the evidence was thin;

(6) the thinnest evidence was the confession of Avery's nephew Brendan Dassey, who is close to intellectually disabled, who was interviewed by police in an extremely suggestive manner, and who told a story that was internally inconsistent and did not match the physical evidence on key points;

(7) if the conviction of Avery appears dubious—I think the jury ought to have found reasonable doubt, but at least he might be guilty—the conviction of Dassey as an accomplice in the murder seems like a grave injustice, because Dassey is very likely innocent.

Much of the Dassey-focused portion of Making a Murderer illustrates how Dassey's first lawyer did a terrible job. The lawyer seems to have concluded that Dassey was guilty without even meeting with him and without ever considering the possibility that he might be innocent, gave damning statements to the press, and hired a private investigator who was more or less working for the police.

However, the key evidence against Dassey was the video of an interview before his ineffective lawyer began representing him.

On the basis of Dassey's recorded confession, the jury convicted him of murder, and his state court appeals failed.

Despite the very high burden, Dassey obtained habeas relief from a federal district judge, who concluded that the confession was involuntary. A panel of the Seventh Circuit affirmed, but last week the en banc Seventh Circuit reversed by a vote of 4-3.

There is a difference between a documentary film and a full trial record, so I read the majority opinion with an open mind, expecting to learn that Making a Murderer had perhaps left out key details of the case against Dassey.

To my surprise, I found none. Indeed, to the contrary, Judge Hamilton's opinion for the court dutifully recites the inconsistencies in Dassey's story, his seeming not to realize the nature of the interrogation (indicating he was eager most of all to get back to class even after he had confessed to a murder), the language used by the officers to indicate that if only Dassey told them what they wanted to hear he would be free, and . . . nothing else.

Although the written account in the en banc opinion lacks the full drama of Making a Murderer, like the documentary, the opinion paints a picture of the events that strongly suggests that Dassey is innocent.

So why does the majority allow to stand a conviction based on a confession that is at best of questionable reliability when there is no other real evidence tying Dassey to the crime?

Because Dassey's likely innocence is, in a word, irrelevant.

Unlike the Fourth Amendment, which protects values like privacy and property, which are not linked to a defendant's guilt or innocence of the crime for which he is accused, the Fifth Amendment right against a coerced confession is linked to guilt or innocence.

That's one reason why, in a 1993 case, the Supreme Court refused to extend the no-Fourth-Amendment-exclusionary-rule-claims-on-habeas rule to habeas petitions based on a claimed Miranda violation.

The Miranda warnings serve to mitigate the inherent coerciveness of custodial interrogation with the aim of preventing coerced confessions, and coerced confessions are unreliable evidence.

Strong evidence of guilt might be obtained in violation of the Fourth Amendment, but evidence obtained via a coerced confession is not strong evidence of guilt because the coercion, rather than the suspect's conscience, will have been the basis for the confession.

Yet even though petitioners can bring Fifth Amendment claims on habeas, the restrictive rules that were adopted by the Court beginning in the early 1970s and then tightened further by Congress in AEDPA make it difficult to prevail on Fifth Amendment claims, just as they make it difficult to prevail on more "technical" claims that do not correlate with guilt or innocence.

The Court and Congress heeded Judge Friendly's call to make habeas relief much more difficult for guilty prisoners to obtain, but in so doing they threw the baby out with the bathwater by also making habeas relief much more difficult for innocent prisoners to obtain.

Thus, Judge Hamilton's en banc opinion notes that AEDPA sets a high standard for relief and that Dassey hasn't met that standard. End of story.

Is that right? Not necessarily. Here's how Judge Wood begins her dissent:
Psychological coercion, questions to which the police furnished the answers, and ghoulish games of ”20 Questions,” in which Brendan Dassey guessed over and over again before he landed on the “correct” story (i.e., the one the police wanted), led to the “confession” that furnished the only serious evidence supporting his murder conviction in the Wisconsin courts.

Turning a blind eye to these glaring faults, the en banc majority has decided to deny Dassey’s petition for a writ of habeas corpus. They justify this travesty of justice as something compelled by AEDPA.

If the writ, as limited by AEDPA, were nothing more than a dead letter, perhaps they would be correct. But it is not. Instead, as the Supreme Court wrote in Harrington v. Richter, “the writ of habeas corpus stands as a safeguard against imprisonment of those held in violation of the law.” 
It is, the Court went on to say, “a guard against extreme malfunctions in the state criminal justice systems.”

As the district court and the panel majority recognized, we have before us just such an extreme malfunction. Dassey at the relevant time was 16 years old and had an IQ in the low 80s. His confession was coerced, and thus it should not have been admitted into evidence.

And even if we were to overlook the coercion, the confession is so riddled with input from the police that its use violates due process.

Dassey will spend the rest of his life in prison because of the injustice this court has decided to leave unredressed. I respectfully dissent.
Kudos to Judge Wood for trying to make lemonade from a lemon, in particular Harrington v. Richter , in which the rhetoric she quotes begins an opinion that goes on to deny relief to the habeas petitioner.

Kudos as well for strongly suggesting--even without exactly saying--that Dassey should be granted relief because he is probably innocent. Judge Wood only just barely failed.

The case was 4-3, after all. But Dassey would have had a better chance of obtaining habeas relief if the full Friendly program had been implemented and innocence were made an explicit basis for placing a thumb, or better yet, an entire arm, on the scale in favor of relief.

Is this the end of the habeas road for Dassey?

Technically not. He could file a cert petition with the Supreme Court, but his prospects there are doubtful. Ex ante, one would have predicted a better chance of success before the Seventh Circuit.

Moreover, Dassey's case is mostly about the application of law to facts and evidence, and thus not obviously cert-worthy on any issue of larger importance.

Sure, it presents the larger question whether, as Friendly asked, innocence is irrelevant, but the Supreme Court doesn't seem much interested in that question.

There remains the desperate possibility that Dassey could obtain federal habeas relief by filing an "actual innocence" claim. The Supreme Court suggested the possibility of such a claim in Herrera v. Collins in 1993, but it is not clear that actual innocence is a basis for relief from a sentence of life imprisonment rather than only from a death sentence.

And even if so, the Court has set an almost impossibly high standard for relief based on actual innocence.

In the one case in which a habeas petitioner obtained any relief from the SCOTUS on a Herrera claim, the Court said his lawyers needed to go back to the district court and produce "evidence that could not have been obtained at the time of trial [that] clearly establishes petitioner’s innocence."

That petitioner, Troy Davis, was subsequently found not to have produced such evidence and was executed.

Dassey could not, in any event, take advantage of the Herrera/Davis opening, even if it were broader than a pinhole, because he is not adducing new evidence.

Dassey's lawyers claim that the evidence that was adduced at trial should not have been deemed adequate to convict him because his confession was coerced and thus unreliable.

All that is left for Dassey, it seems, is the hope that lightning strikes twice--that once again someone wholly unconnected to Steven Avery is shown to have committed the crime for which Avery (and this time Dassey as well) was convicted.

Michael C. Dorf is the Robert S. Stevens professor of law at Cornell University. He blogs at DorfOnLaw.org.

By Tom Jackman, Washington Post 
October 20, 2016

James L. Trainum, retired Washington, D.C., homicide detective and author of the book “How the Police Generate False Confessions.
“If you plan on being arrested for a felony, you must read this book.”— Tom Jackman, The Washington Post 
Also, if you have an interest in fairness, justice and preventing wrongful convictions, then the new book “How the Police Generate False Confessions,” by former Washington, D.C., homicide detective James Trainum is an important read. It takes you inside the interrogation room to see how investigators extract admissions from innocent people, and how the justice system can fix this persistent problem, seen in high profile cases such as the Central Park Five, the Norfolk Four and the teenaged suspect from Wisconsin in the Netflix series “Making a Murderer.”

It’s a phenomenon that remains, understandably, incomprehensible to many. Someone “admits” to a crime they did not actually commit, to a police detective of all people, knowing they face a long prison sentence for doing so. Who would do such a thing? In all three of the cases above, young men admitted to committing rape, and in two of them to gruesome murders.

Trainum, 61, spent 17 years in homicide for the Metropolitan Police Department, retiring in 2010. He was the lead detective on the high-profile Starbucks triple murder in Georgetown in 1997, which he eventually helped solve in 1999. But in 1994, Trainum had an eye-opening experience when he obtained his own false confession. After a 16-hour interrogation, a woman told him she and two men had killed a man whose body was found, bound and beaten, near the Anacostia River. She was charged with first-degree murder. But she recanted weeks later, and Trainum found proof that she couldn’t have been where she originally claimed at the time of the slaying. The charges were dismissed.

“What did I do,” Trainum asked himself, “to convince this person to tell me something she didn’t do? How did she get all those details she shouldn’t have known?” He realized that implying that her cooperation would get her better treatment from the prosecutors, and minimizing her role in the case to obtain her testimony against co-defendants, as well as a mistaken handwriting analysis and a bogus “voice stress test,” got her to confess.

Trainum began researching the concept of false confessions, not widely discussed in the 1990s. At that time, five New York teenagers were in prison for allegedly raping a woman in Central Park in 1989. Though DNA later proved an unrelated man had committed the crime, some people still believe the Central Park Five are guilty, including presidential candidate Donald Trump. “It just shows you what the power of a confession is,” Trainum said. “In spite of the overwhelming evidence, physical and otherwise, people still believe a confession trumps everything. No pun intended.”

False confessions are now understood to be a significant contribution to wrongful convictions. According to the National Registry of Exonerations, of 1,900 wrongful convictions in their data base, 234 were caused by false confessions, or about 12 percent.

Trainum said detectives are just following their training, which is often minimal, and which allows for not only unethical tactics but lying by investigators, who can falsely tell a suspect they failed a polygraph, that other people identified him as a suspect and that evidence indicates he committed the crime. Trainum summarizes the approach that most detectives take to a suspect in “the box”:

1. Conclude that the suspect is guilty

2. Tell them that there is no doubt of their guilt

3. Block any attempt by the suspect to deny the accusation

4. Suggest psychological or moral justifications for what they did

5. Lie about the strength of the evidence that points to the suspect’s guilt

6. Offer only two explanations for why he committed the crime. Both are admissions, but one is definitely less savory than the other

7. Get them to agree with you that they did it

8. Have them provide details about the crime

Now Trainum repeatedly acknowledges that police often elicit confessions from actually guilty people, sometimes after long or difficult sessions. But he said everyone in the system — detectives, defense attorneys, prosecutors and judges — must be aware of the possibility of false confessions, and be certain to do the legwork which corroborates or disproves such statements. 

In 1995, Washington, D.C., homicide detective Jim Trainum was shown using the latest technology, and a new crime data base, to solve cases. (Robert Reeder/The Washington Post)
Trainum writes that suspects often make false confessions because they make a bad cost-benefit analysis. They think that confessing will allow them to go home, or allow them to face lesser charges, or protect other people. In “Making a Murderer,” 16-year-old Brendan Dassey confesses to murder and then asks if he can return to class at his high school. That confession and others were later used against him at trial and he was convicted, though in August of this year the case was overturned after a federal judge ruled the confessions were coerced and involuntary. “Thank God for videotape,” Trainum said of the confession. “Those detectives were not seeking the truth. They’re seeking a confession.”

But Dassey’s multiple confessions, including one in which the detectives tell him how the victim was killed after he repeatedly provides the wrong causes, had held up through trial and appeals court rulings for years. “One of the biggest problems,” Trainum said, “is the judges don’t worry about reliability [of a confession]. They say it’s up to the jury to decide that. They only worry about if it is admissible. There’s kind of a movement to shift the reliability back to the judges.” He noted that judges will hold hearings on the reliability of eyewitnesses or the reliability of jailhouse informants. “They don’t do that with confession evidence. And they really should. Once a confession gets in front of a jury, the defense attorney has an uphill battle. The jurors think, ‘I would never confess to something I didn’t do.'”

The National Registry of Exonerations shows that 15 percent of wrongful convictions occurred with guilty pleas. That was the case with Danial Williams and Joseph Dick, two sailors in the Norfolk Four who falsely confessed and pleaded guilty in the rape and murder of a woman in Norfolk in 1997. Another man’s DNA later linked him to the crime and he said he committed it alone. Williams’ and Dick’s sentences were commuted but not fully pardoned by then-Gov. Tim Kaine (now a vice presidential candidate) in 2009, and in an appeal to have their convictions vacated, U.S. District Court Judge John A. Gibney Jr. ruled last month that, “By any measure, the evidence shows the defendants’ innocence…Stated more simply, no sane human being could find them guilty.”

So what to do about false confessions? Trainum has many suggestions, starting with police videotaping all interrogations. Many departments still don’t do it. “Law enforcement doesn’t want you in that interrogation room,” Trainum said. “They don’t want you to see what they’re doing, because some of the stuff they know is not appropriate.”

But the ex-detective also advocates adopting the British method of investigation, in which the questioning is not adversarial and is instead focused on eliciting the truth, as opposed to only a confession. It is known as P.E.A.C.E., for preparation, engagement, accounting, closure and evaluation. It was imposed on British police after a spate of false confessions, and Trainum said it can be used just as effectively as the current American method.

The P.E.A.C.E. model is only starting to make inroads in the U.S., and it would require extensive training and money. He thinks the skill of interviewing is undervalued. “People think talking to people is a natural thing,” Trainum said. “It’s not. That’s why psychiatrists undergo so many years of training. You have to be able to build a rapport without threats or promises. Cops make the worst private investigators. We have too many bad habits.”

Trainum, now a consultant for the Innocence Project, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and various defense lawyers, has not exactly been embraced by his former colleagues, who began calling him “Benedict Trainum” when he was still on the force. He said he is shunned by some older cops, but younger ones are more open to his ideas.

“I hope law enforcement reads my book,” Trainum said. “With my consulting business, I want to be put out of business. I would rather they make good cases that I can’t touch.”

I asked Brandon Garrett, a University of Virginia law professor who has focused on wrongful convictions, about Trainum’s book. “It is such an important new book,” Garrett said. “For decades, we have seen false confession after false confession lead to tragic wrongful convictions of the innocent while serious criminals go undetected.  The courts have done little to respond to abuses in the interrogation room; if anything they have eroded constitutional protections, such as the right to remain silent.  Trainum explains that for police, there is another way.  Overly coercive interrogation techniques not only produce false confessions but they are not good at uncovering good information.  In the U.K. and in more agencies in the U.S., police have changed gears, turning from psychologically coercive techniques to information gathering techniques.  Trainum and his book are at the forefront of a revolution in police interrogations.”

Now that’s a lot better book review quote than mine.

UPDATE DECEMBER 8, 2017

On August 12, 2016, Brendan Dassey's 2007 conviction was overturned by federal judge William E. Duffin. The State of Wisconsin appealed the decision. In June 2017, a three-judge panel for the U.S. Court of Appeals agreed 2-to-1 with Duffin's 2016 ruling. The State of Wisconsin appealed the decision. On December 8, 2017, the full seven-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit ruled by a vote of 4-to-3 that Brendan's confession had not been coerced by police investigators, reversing the panel's decision.
“The state courts’ finding that Dassey’s confession was voluntary was not beyond fair debate, but we conclude it was reasonable. We reverse the grant of Dassey’s petition for a writ of habeas corpus,” Judge Hamilton wrote for the majority.

Hamilton said that Dassey was not subjected to threats or intimidation and investigators stayed calming while interviewing him.

Wood slammed the majority’s decision as “a profound miscarriage of justice.”

“Psychological coercion, questions to which the police furnished the answers, and ghoulish games of ‘20 Questions,’ in which Brendan Dassey guessed over and over again before he landed on the ‘correct’ story (i.e., the one the police wanted), led to the ‘confession’ that furnished the only serious evidence supporting his murder conviction in the Wisconsin courts,” Wood wrote. (Parentheses in original.)

The Seventh Circuit’s chief judge said Dassey’s confession was clearly coerced and should not have been admitted into evidence.

“Dassey will spend the rest of his life in prison because of the injustice this court has decided to leave unredressed,” Wood wrote. [Source]
END UPDATE

WBAY
June 23, 2017

Attorneys for "Making A Murderer" subject Brendan Dassey have filed a motion asking for their client's immediate release from prison.

The motion was filed Friday with the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, one day after a three-judge panel upheld a lower court's ruling overturning Dassey's conviction for the 2005 murder of Teresa Halbach in Manitowoc County.

In the motion, attorneys Laura Nirider and Steve Drizin ask the court to lift a stay that's blocking Dassey's release from prison.

"Mr. Dassey, now twenty-seven years old, has been held in custody since March 31, 2006 - since he was sixteen years old - for a conviction, based almost entirely on an involuntary confession, that has been overturned," reads the motion.

Judge William Duffin, who initially overturned Dassey's conviction and ordered his release from prison, issued the stay on request from the Wisconsin Department of Justice to allow the agency time to appeal.

On Thursday, the appeals court released a 2-1 decision siding with Dassey that his confession to helping his uncle Steven Avery rape and kill Halbach on Halloween 2005 was coerced by Manitowoc County investigators.

Nirider and Drizin request that Dassey be released on bond.

"There is no longer any reason to further stay the district court's order releasing Mr. Dassey," reads the motion.

Click here to read the motion filed by Dassey's attorneys.

The order asks the state to file a response by 5 p.m. on June 26. Once it has heard from both sides, the court will make a decision on Dassey's release. It could happen as early as next week.

The Wisconsin Department of Justice has up to three months to decide whether to re-try Dassey for Halbach's murder. The state also has the option of asking the full 7th Circuit Court to review the case, or taking it to the U.S. Supreme Court.

"We anticipate seeking review by the entire 7th Circuit or the United States Supreme Court and hope that today’s erroneous decision will be reversed. We continue to send our condolences to the Halbach family as they have to suffer through another attempt by Mr. Dassey to re-litigate his guilty verdict and sentence," reads a statement provided by the DOJ.

Two federal courts have now ruled that Dassey's confession to Halbach's murder was involuntary, differing from decisions in the state courts.

The federal appeals court's majority opinion states that Dassey's intellectual limitations and suggestibility must be taken into account, and the investigators gave him false promises of leniency.

"Dassey's interview could be viewed in a psychology class as a perfect example of operant conditioning," reads the majority opinion.

"In sum, the investigators promised Dassey freedom and alliance if he told the truth and all signs suggest that Dassey took that promise literally. The pattern of questions demonstrates that the message the investigators conveyed is that the 'truth' was what they wanted to hear."

Click here to view the 128-page opinion from the federal court of appeals.

Steven Avery's attorney visited her client Friday at Waupun Correctional Institution. Kathleen Zellner tells Action 2 News that Avery is optimistic about his own case.

"He's extremely optimistic because when someone's innocent, and I've done this many times, they always are optimistic. I think he feels we have the evidence now to vacate the conviction. which we will do, and so he's very optimistic," Zellner said.

Zellner has filed a post-conviction motion arguing Avery should be granted a new trial based on five arguments, including ineffective defense counsel, ethical violations by the prosecutor, and new evidence. Zellner's motion breaks down new scientific testing she had completed on evidence on the theory Avery's DNA was planted.

Click here to view our exclusive interview with Kathleen Zellner.

Error in article above as noted by MnAtty at reddit:
WBAY wrote that (back in November) “Judge William Duffin, who initially overturned Dassey's conviction and ordered his release from prison, issued the stay on request from the Wisconsin Department of Justice to allow the agency time to appeal. WRONG. Judge Duffin DENIED this motion, stating it “largely reargues the same points already considered and rejected by the court in deciding Dassey's motion for release.” The WDOJ then filed an emergency motion with the Federal Appeals Court in Chicago, where their motion to stay was granted. WBAY really garbles these court rulings. Gotta watch out for that. 


ORIGINAL POST FROM NOVEMBER 14, 2016

Federal Judge Orders Supervised Release of Brendan Dassey; Appeals Court Grants Stay of Release as Case Continues


Federal Judge Willima E. Duffin has ordered the state of Wisconsin to release Brendan Dassey on bond. "It is therefore ordered that Dassey's motion for release...is granted," part of the ruling released November 14, 2016 reads.

On August 12th, Duffin had overturned Dassey's conviction and had granted Dassey a writ of habeas corpus. Duffin had ordered Dassey to be released within 90 days unless the state filed an appeal.

On September 9th, the state of Wisconsin appealed the decision.

On September 14th, Dassey's lawyers asked for him to be released on bond while the state's appeal is pending. Dassey's conviction could be reinstated by the state either winning that appeal or taking the case to a full retrial. [Video]

On November 14th, 90 days after he granted Dassey's habeas corpus petition, Duffin wrote that there was a presumption that "successful habeas petitioners are released while the respondent appeals that decision." He wrote that "the respondent [the Wisconsin Attorney General's Office] has failed to rebut that presumption" and that "the court does not find that the respondent has a strong likelihood of success on appeal." He also wrote that "the court finds it must grant Dassey's petition and order him released from the custody of the respondent."

State Attorney General Brad Schimel quickly moved to block the release.  

On November 15th, his office filed an emergency motion asking a federal appeals court to stay the release order. In its court filings, Schimel and Assistant Attorney General Jacob Wittwer wrote that regardless of any legal challenges to Dassey's confession "the record does not support a claim that Dassey is actually innocent... Dassey's release should be regarded as a serious public safety issue... the public interest favors continued custody in these circumstances, regardless of Dassey's recent conduct in a controlled prison setting."

On November 16th, Judge Duffin denied the state's motion to halt release of Brendan Dassey. Duffin said the state largely "reargued the same points already considered and rejected by the court." Duffin said the U.S. Probation Office has "informed the court it has approved the proposed residence of Brendan Dassey." Duffin said Brendan must be released by Friday at 8 p.m.

On November 17th, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals granted the state's appeal to stay Brendan's release on bond, pending resolution of the underlying appeal, which is the state's appeal against Judge Duffin's habeas ruling overturning Brendan's conviction. In other words, Brendan Dassey must stay in prison until the state's appeal against Duffin's habeas ruling is resolved.



Dassey had until noon Tuesday, November 15th, to notify the probation office of his intended residential address. Federal probation officers, in turn, were asked to inspect the dwelling to determine if it is a suitable place for Dassey to stay.

In the motion seeking his supervised release while the appeal is pending, Dassey’s attorneys laid out a plan for him:
  • Dassey would spend the first one to three months living with his mother in a trailer the family owns in rural northeast Wisconsin, about 100 miles from Manitowoc.
  • He would then move to an apartment in Brown County that his mother and stepfather would pay for initially. There, he would work on education, job skills and therapy as appropriate. 
He could also live at home in Manitowoc if the judge preferred, his attorneys wrote.

The district court judge outlined several conditions for Dassey's release, including that he can only travel in the court's Eastern District of Wisconsin, not obtain a passport, not possess a gun or any other weapons, or possess any controlled substances. Dassey also has been ordered not to have any contact with Steven Avery or with the family of Teresa Halbach.

From the order by WILLIAM E. DUFFIN, U.S. Magistrate Judge, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, this 14th day of November, 2016:
"Dassey's family is concentrated in northeastern Wisconsin. There is no indication that he has the inclination much less the means to flee or will otherwise fail to appear as may be legally required. Moreover, Dassey has a strong interest not to flee ... Dassey has offered a detailed release plan that was prepared with the assistance of a clinical social worker with experience in similar cases. That social worker would remain involved in assisting Dassey as he adjusts to freedom following his decade in prison."
From the order by WILLIAM E. DUFFIN, U.S. Magistrate Judge, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, this 14th day of November, 2016:
"IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED THAT DASSEY'S MOTION FOR RELEASE pursuant to Fed. R. App. P. 23(c) (ECF No. 29) IS GRANTED ... The court will then issue a further order directing the respondent to release the petitioner."
From the order by WILLIAM E. DUFFIN, U.S. Magistrate Judge, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, this 14th day of November, 2016:
"The respondent asserts 'that irreparable harm occurs to … the victim’s family whenever a person convicted by a state court of the gravest of criminal offenses is released before completing his sentence.' The respondent does not further develop this assertion. Nonetheless, the court was, and is, ever mindful of how its decisions inevitably impact Teresa Halbach’s family and friends. This court, like every court, wishes it could decide cases in a manner that minimized harm to these innocents. However, a court’s obligation to decide cases in accordance with controlling law often prevents that. The court granted Dassey’s petition and ordered that he be released or retried. There is a presumption that successful habeas petitioners are released while the respondent [the Wisconsin Attorney General's Office] appeals that decision. The respondent has failed to rebut that presumption. The court does not find that the respondent has a strong likelihood of success on appeal. Moreover, the respondent has failed to show that the second and fourth factors."
From the order by WILLIAM E. DUFFIN, U.S. Magistrate Judge, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, this 14th day of November, 2016:
"Presumably, if the state had other admissible, compelling evidence of Dassey’s guilt, it would have presented it at trial or in opposition to Dassey’s motion for release. In the absence of any argument from the respondent [the Wisconsin Attorney General's Office] on this point, the court must conclude that without Dassey’s March 1, 2006 confession, retrial, re-conviction and re-incarceration are unlikely."
From the order by WILLIAM E. DUFFIN, U.S. Magistrate Judge, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, this 14th day of November, 2016:
"Dassey has no criminal record other than this case. His prison disciplinary record is exceedingly benign. On one occasion he was given several packets of ramen noodles from another inmate without permission from prison authorities. On one other occasion he was found to have violated prison regulations by having items with tape on them and having used prison forms to keep scores in games. There is no hint of violent or antisocial behavior from his time in prison. In fact, in an offender performance evaluation, Dassey received a near perfect score. He was characterized as always working in a cooperative manner with staff and other offenders, following directions, completing assignments, and performing with minimal supervision. In short, the respondent [the Wisconsin Attorney General's Office] has failed to demonstrate that Dassey represents a present danger to the community."
Read the Court's Full Order at Any of the Following Links:
Dassey granted supervised release; AG to seek stay
By Courtney Ryan, FOX 11 News
November 14, 2016

A federal judge has ordered Brendan Dassey be granted supervised release from prison.

Federal Judge William Duffin, who previously overturned Dassey's conviction for the 2005 murder of Teresa Halbach, now says he should be released from prison while the state appeals the overturning. The judge ruled in August that investigators tricked Dassey into confessing he helped his uncle, Steven Avery, rape, kill and mutilate photographer Teresa Halbach in 2005. The state has appealed that ruling.

A statement was posted by Dassey's attorney, Laura Nirider, Monday:
"Today, the District Court granted Brendan Dassey’s motion for release on bond. We are in the process of making arrangements for his release and hope that Brendan will be reunited with his family by Thanksgiving, if not sooner. We urge everyone to respect Brendan’s privacy during this time of transition.

"As we give thanks this holiday season for family and friends, our food will taste all the sweeter because we know that for the first time in ten years, Brendan will be celebrating in freedom with his family, too."
Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel issued a statement saying he would file an emergency motion in the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to put the release order on hold.

Dassey's attorney Steven Drizin acknowledged the news on Twitter:
"It's true.  Judge Duffin granted Brendan's bond motion! More later. Someone from MAM nation will download order.  I'm unable to for hours."
Drizin said he had not spoken yet with Dassey, but he hoped to have him out of prison in time to spend Thanksgiving with his family.
"That's what I'm focused on right now, getting him home, getting him with his family and then helping him to re-integrate back into society while his appeal plays out," Drizin said.
Dassey's brother Brad shared his reaction with FOX 11's Andrew LaCombe.
The release from prison is not immediate, however, and comes with multiple conditions. Any violation would result in his being returned to custody.

Among the conditions:
  • Dassey shall not violate any federal, state, or local law.
  • Dassey must appear in court as required and surrender to serve any sentence, as ordered by a court.
  • Dassey shall comply with any applicable law regarding sex offender registration.
  • Dassey shall be supervised by the United States Probation Office. He shall report as it directs.
  • Dassey shall cooperate with the United States Probation Office including being available for any home visit it deems necessary.
He has to provide the federal probation and parole office the address of his intended residence by noon Tuesday.

It is unclear from the judge's order how long it would take for the government to approve that location, or how long until he would be released.

Drizin would not say where Dassey plans to live.

Dassey is currently at the Columbia Correctional Institution in Portage.

Dassey and his uncle Steven Avery were convicted in separate trials in 2007 for their roles in the Halbach murder. Both were sentenced to life in prison. Their case received national attention beginning late last year with the release of the Netflix series "Making a Murderer."

Dassey was 16 when Halbach died. He's now 27.

Duffin ruled in August that investigators made specific promises of leniency to Dassey and that no "fair-minded jurists could disagree." He cited one investigator's comment early in the interview that "you don't have to worry about things," plus repeated comments like "it's OK" and that they already knew what happened.

Schimel, in his appeal, said investigators didn't promise leniency and they specifically told Dassey that no promises could be made.

Halbach was killed on Halloween 2005, after she visited the Avery family's salvage yard in Manitowoc County. Investigators allege Avery lured her there by asking her to take photos of a minivan. Dassey was sentenced to life in prison in 2007. Court documents describe him as a slow learner who had poor grades and has difficulty understanding language and speaking.


Brendan Dassey with his father Peter Dassey and half-brother Brad Dassey

31 comments:

  1. Judge Duffin granted Brendan's habeus corpus petition on August 12, 2016, and gave the state of Wisconsin 90 days to appeal. The state started the appeals process on September 9th. On September 14th, Brendan's lawyers asked for him to be released on bond while the appeal is pending a decision from the 7th circuit panel. Today's decision is only pertaining to the bond motion being granted while Brendan awaits the panel's decision to either affirm or overturn judge Duffin's decision to overturn Dassey's conviction.

    The state did appeal within 90 days, and Brendan's attorneys requested he be released on bond while the outcome of that appeal is pending. The judge granted their motion.

    Judge Duffin has ordered that Brendan Dassey be released from prison. He basically told the state that they have no shot of winning their appeal.

    No bond money is required, only Brendan's signature.

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  2. COMMENTS FROM YAHOO:

    I brought my kids up to be respectful of cops and to always answer them truthfully and to be as helpful as possible. However, after seeing this documentary, I have to them to NEVER-EVER answer any questions if they are alone with the cops - for ANY reason. If they are to be denied a lawyer, then walk out.

    I have taught my children this simple dialect with cops.
    To every question the cop asks: "I have no statement."
    Followed up quickly with: "Am I free to go?"
    If yes, walk away.
    If no, ask: "Am I being detained?"
    If they say no, ask again: "Am I free to go".
    If they say yes, say: "I request my phone call and having nothing more to say until I speak with my attorney".

    This kid was railroaded by the police into a "confession". It was a shameful example of police work and should have never resulted in his conviction.

    I'm not sure after watching the netflix series what I believe to be true. What I do know however is the way the police went about getting a conviction of this kid and his uncle is NOT the way our justice system is supposed to work. You dont coerce confessions from kids who aren't mentally competent enough to understand. You dont plant evidence because you can't find enough of it. I dont think there was nearly enough evidence to put either of them in prison.

    I SAW the cops---who were told to STAY AWAY from the case due to conflict of interest---testify that they were the ones to find the car on the property.
    THE SAME cops, then went back to the car on other occasions.
    THE SAME cops, found the key in a very small bedroom on the 6th search.
    THE SAME cops, found a bullet in a garage on the 11th search.
    THE SAME cops had an interest in keeping him behind bars due to the initial trumped up charges.
    The prosecution argued that she was killed in the garage during Dassey's trial, then argued that she was killed in the bedroom during Avery's trial.
    The public defender failed to represent Dassey---a mentally impaired kid--- during questioning. Kachinski should be disbarred for that.
    Dassey was cornered when asked to check a box---sorry for what you did or not sorry for what you did. There is no way to win that one.

    If it was a case of just one bad, or just an occasional bad Cop the rest of them would see to it that the bad ones were removed. Fired. Instead it is just the other way around. The occasional Good Cop is the one harassed and considered a Rat, Snitch, Traitor and betrayer of his fellows and is driven out of the clique.

    Good cops, rise up, fight corruption. Most cops I know are wonderful people, yet they all cower in the face of corruption.

    Got news for you, if there is only one bad cop, other cops know that and don't rat on another and that is how it escalates.

    More then one bad cop in a bunch......This is a whole precinct and the judiciary.

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  3. COMMENTS FROM YAHOO:

    That poor kid was screwed over by everyone, including his own lawyer. Glad he got some justice, although he'll never get those years of his life back. Maybe he'll sue the county for wrongful prosecution and they'll fabricate something else to put him away again. They seem to be really good at that.

    I hope he gets far away from that crooked county he lived in. If not, he will likely get locked up again for something.

    THE POLICE RESPONSIBLE SHOULD HAVE TO DO THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.

    He should have been NOT GUILTY for "reasonable doubt". This kid was no way understanding what was going on....just doing what the investigators told him to do....SUCH AND INJUSTICE FOR BOTH!

    What a mess? Everyone that was involved with this investigation should be investigated themselves. How much tax payer money has gone to this for nothing.

    Get it back from the Police pension fund and the Judges who were part of it..don't penalise the Taxpayer.

    He was successfully tried because 2 detectives and 2 lawyers were unethical and likely illegal. I hope that the Authorities will find the Victim's murderer.

    Until we start holding our prosecutors, District Attorney's, Detectives, Patrols accountable for their obvious crimes these injustices will continue. Regardless if they still wear the badge, sit in office, or still a member of the bar.

    Should of never been arrested...he was tricked and forced into confessing. The police that did this to this kid..should take his place in Jail!!

    I want the cops in that town to be thrown in general population and given a life sentence. And during every new hire that the police go through all throughout the United States, they need to be given a Skype interview with these pigs so they can tell them what a huge mistake they made.

    He can come watch wrestlemania with me any time. Anyone who watched that show knows this kid did not do it.

    Now for the civil trials against the police, his first lawyer, and the expert who analyzed him. All of them were guilty of dereliction of duty, at the least

    Will Manitowoc County makes this up to him? Or will there be a staged crime scene on his families property forcing him back to prison?

    Gotta really admire the ability of investigators to obtain a confession in Manitowoc County. If they can't find the perp, they just run on down to the nearest school and force feed a confession from a student in the special needs classroom. Way to go.

    Once you realize how shady the investigation was no way could anyone who wasn't biased get to the "beyond a reasonable doubt" threshold. Keys suddenly discovered after the house had been searched 5 or 6 times already. The officers who found the keys were not even supposed to be on the property. Dassey's coerced confession. Lack of physical evidence to support the prosecution's theory of the crime. No way these two could have cleaned up that dirty garage and left none of Halbach's blood behind. Same with the Avery bedroom where Teresa Halbach was supposedly raped and murdered. No physical evidence, not even a small blood stain in the garage or bedroom to put her there. Avery and Dassey would need to be criminal masterminds to pull off the crime the prosecution outlined and masterminds these two ain't.

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  4. COMMENTS FROM YAHOO:

    Those detectives should be demoted.
    It was obvious the young man was very
    Childlike for his age. They destroyed
    his life and didn't bat an eye. I'm sure
    For them it wasn't the first time.
    I believe in Karma.

    It's obvious the kid was coerced into telling the cops what they wanted to hear, he is mental stunted and they took advantage of that in their leading questioning. The only evidence against him is his false confession, no physical evidence at all.

    They had the footage from the cops talking to the kid. All you have to do is watch that you know the kid is not guilty.

    And the more I see stories like this another documentaries on people that are interrogated by police and confess it's frightening to think how many innocent people are in prison, or how many guilty are free because of overzealous cops.

    This poor kid. Prison is all he knows. I hope there are social services that can help him integrate into life again.

    I watched the entire program----I saw Dassey as the victim of harsh interrogation. I say harsh because he OBVIOUSLY was weak of mind and "may" have been a slow learner. He also appeared to be low of IQ. That boy was easily led by the two detectives and Dassey just "agreed" with a lot of their accusations. When Dassey said that the victim was stabbed numerous times on the bed---there was NO physical evidence to that effect.....HOW did they convict this kid?

    The moment that kid said he needed to get home to watch wrestle mania after "confessing" to murder should have tipped the jury off to the fact that he was mentally disabled.

    Crooked cops? No way.

    He better move far away once he gets out.

    My heart breaks for this kid!
    He's innocent and you can see mentally challenged!
    They took advantage of his simple mindedness to get a conviction....
    I sure hope justice can be done and he can be released!

    Switch him with Kratz. The state justice system should be ashamed of themselves.

    The DA & Police should be locked up until trial !!!!!!!!!

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  5. COMMENTS FROM YAHOO:

    They will both get out...but it shouldn t be the tax payers paying it should be those individuals who framed him..take their Police pensions then sue them for everything and prosecute them for Murder.

    Avery was suing them for 36 million for the 18 years he served for the rape he didn't commit. After they framed him, he had to accept 400k to pay his lawyers. The framing went from the cops, prosecuters, etc. Planting of evidence, taking blood from the sealed evidence from the rape case. I agree with taking their pensions and suing them directly, but it wouldn't pay for the 27 years he's spent in jail for doing nothing.

    Prosecutors are elected officials which means they are politicians only looking out for themselves. Until this changes the death penalty should not be used. There have been hundreds of documented cases in which the truth was ignored to preserve a guilty verdict to enhance the prosecutors resume. I do agree that there are entirely too many appeals, but the truth is what should be searched for not a better elected office for a successful prosecutor.

    Poor kid is intellectually challenged, but the cops violated his rights by questioning him without his parent(s) present or a lawyer. Cops have to play by the rules, or he gets his confession tossed out ("fruit of the poison tree"). There might be enough to convict him without his confession. Sad case.

    Everyone, let this be a lesson if you deal with the police. Ask for a lawyer. Don't talk until you have a lawyer. The police are great if your four years old and lost, but for anything thing else just ask for a lawyer. I completely respect the difficult and thankless job they have, but read way to many stories like what they did to this kid.

    The whole system was fixed to frame them so that they wouldn t have to pay a Multi million dollar settlement.....they framed him and Killed that girl.

    He was clearly coerced and railroaded by the detectives on this.

    Did the crooked cops ever get charged with anything? Complete disgust.

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  6. Earlier this year, a judge ruled that Dassey's conviction should be thrown out. The state has appealed that ruling, and Dassey's conviction could be reinstated by the state either winning that appeal or taking the case to a full retrial.

    Dassey's attorney, Steve Drizin, said he had not spoken yet with Dassey, but he hoped to have him out of prison in time to spend Thanksgiving with his family.

    "That's what I'm focused on right now, getting him home, getting him with his family and then helping him to re-integrate back into society while his appeal plays out," Drizin said.

    Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel issued a statement saying he would file an emergency motion in the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to put the release order on hold.

    Dassey's supervised release was not immediate. He had until noon Tuesday to provide the federal probation and parole office with the address of where he planned to live.

    Drizin would not say where Dassey plans to live.

    Duffin ruled in August that investigators made specific promises of leniency to Dassey and that no "fair-minded jurists could disagree." He cited one investigator's comment early in the interview that "you don't have to worry about things," plus repeated comments like "it's OK" and that they already knew what happened.

    Schimel, in his appeal, said investigators didn't promise leniency and they specifically told Dassey that no promises could be made.

    http://www.nbc26.com/news/federal-judge-orders-brendan-dassey-conditionally-released-from-custody?autoplay=true

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  7. Ken Kratz's girlfriend, who has sense made her twitter account private, tweets that Judge Duffin is a moron:

    http://imgur.com/a/r34S8

    https://mobile.twitter.com/leahmariekk
    "Loving life with Ken Kratz...the man who's healed my heart and loves my soul."

    If you read @novias_info twitter timeline she embedded a lot of Kratz's girlfriend's tweets prior to her account going private last night, November 15th, which includes the posting of the bleached jeans picture.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/5d5fqm/emergency_motion_filed/


    State files emergency motion to prevent Brendan Dassey's release on bond. Motion sites safety concerns for Halbach's family:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-APlJawt-6RZDc3dlJtc3ZydW8/view

    [–]falls_asleep_reading 6 points 8 hours ago

    They are putting the on-us on the Judge to prove Dassey innocent when he's ruling on a 5th amendment violation.

    And that might be what hangs them.

    In a trial, the state has the responsibility to prove the defendant guilty--the defendant allegedly enjoys the presumption of innocence.

    What tossing the sole piece of evidence out does, in effect, is restore that presumption of innocence to the defendant. The prosecution seems to be telling the Magistrate here that it's not their job to prove his guilt, and that is going to do little more than wear on Duffin's already thin patience.

    Duffin seems to have a very firm grasp on the importance of the details in this case and is ensuring that his opinions and rulings are extraordinarily well-cited. He is taking extreme care even as he scolds the previous judges and the prosecutors in this case--his rulings are not leaving much to chance.

    I suspect that we will see these rulings again if any of the individuals involved in "investigating" and prosecuting these two cases end up sitting at a defendant's table themselves.

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  8. [–]Canuck64 at Reddit

    During the initial February 27 interview of Brendan at the high school, investigators engaged in very heavy fact feed feeding (see below). It formed the basis of much of the March 1st interrogation. Was there and interview before this we know nothing about?

    Here is a list of all the facts and evidence shared with Brendan at the High school on February 27. None of these comments, questions, suggests originated with Brendan. There are all the first time mentions list.

    The investigators began by telling Brendan that “we know that, that Halloween and stuff you were with [Steven] and, and helped him tend to a fire and stuff like that behind the garage and stuff and, anything that you saw that night that’s been bothering ya? And if you built the fire, and we believe that’s, that’s where Teresa was cooked.

    After Brendan explained that he was upset because his uncle was “gone and I can’t see him” the investigators informed Brendan that he could be “facing charges” related to Halbach’s disappearance: They than started fact feeding the information to Brendan.

    Did you see any body parts?

    Her bones were intermingled in that seat,

    Did you put the seat in the fire?

    she was put in that fire. And you were there with him.

    Did you see a hand, a foot in that fire? Her bones?

    Did you smell something that was not to right?

    Were there tires on it before you got out there?,

    Did you help him push a vehicle somewhere too?,

    burn pit was no bigger than this table., I find it hard to believe you did not see a hand, foot, head, hair.

    Was there blood on her clothes, we already know you know.

    Was her car in the garage?

    They were girl clothes weren't they.

    Had blood on the shirt, where on the shirt was blood?

    Was it a button up shirt?

    Were they blue jean pants?

    We found flesh in the fire, we know you saw flesh in that fire to.

    Did you see an arm, legs, head, Skull?,

    Were the body parts on top or underneath the tires?,

    Could you smell them?

    Did you see part of the head or face or skull?

    Did you see any hair?,

    Were the body parts connected yet?,

    Did you help put that body in the fire?

    When did he put the clothes on the fire?

    A is he moving the rake, shovelling it to mix things up and stir things?

    You saw her RAV4 didn't ya? Was it in his garage?

    What did he tell you he did in the jeep?

    Did he say anything about shooting her?,

    Did you say how he got, did he say he took her into the pit or did he kill her out by the garage or his house?,

    When you got home you saw her truck out by the driveway. But did you see, did you see her?,

    Was there a fire burning out in front of the house in the burn barrel?,

    Did he tell you if he did anything with the license plates?

    Where did he say he hid the knife in the car?..... Crush it….. Something specific about that.

    Did he try to have sex with her or anything and she said no and,

    Did you see any blood on him at all?

    Did you are any abrasions at all, bandaged up anywhere?

    Did he tell you that he hurt himself or she hurt him?

    Did he say what he did with his clothes?

    I heard he told you how he cleaned things up.

    We heard that he cut himself during the….

    On the knife that he used to kill her, yes or no?,

    Did he say he had a gun with a….. At all?

    Did he threaten you?

    A woman would have a purse, cell phone a camera. Did he tell you what he did with those things?

    What about the key?

    How about a camera?

    CONTINUED...

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  9. Brendan now writes a statement. “I got off the bus at 3:45 and seen her Jeep down at Steven's house. Then I went in my house and played Play Station 2 fire the hours and then I eat at 8:00 and I watch TV and then got a phone call from Steve, if I wanted to come over and have a fire and I did and he told me to bring the golf cart and I did. So then we went driving around the yard and got to pick up the stuff around the house. Then we dropped the seats by the fire and went to get the wood and the cabinet and then we went back to throw the seat on the fire and then we waited for it to go down and throw on the wood and the cabinet. Then I see the toes before we throw on the wood and cabinet on the fire. When we did that he seen me that I seen the toes he told me not to say anything and he told me that he stabbed her in the stomach in the pit and he took the knife and put it under the seat in her Jeep.“

    Then more prompting by Fassbender and Wiegert. Why did he stab her? What did he use to tie her up? Did he say anything about duct tape? You said he threatened you You told us she was pretty. Did he say where he got the knife from? When he stabbed her was he laughing or enjoying himself? Did he tell you where he put her in the truck?,

    Now Brendan writes an addendum. “He was angry and that's why he did it. He told me he used rope to tie her up in the Jeep and that's when he stabbed her. When he told me not to say anything, he threatened me a little bit. He said she was pretty to him. I seen the fingers and the belly and the forehead in the fire. The body looked like it was together and it was under some tires and branches. He hid the vehicle in the back of area. “

    Now some more prompting. They tell him to add how he hid the vehicle, and putting the clothes in the fire.

    Brendan writing another addendum. ‘He hid the vehicle in the back pit area. He put some tree branches on top of it and put the car good on top of it too. He put some clothes in the fire that was a blue shirt and some pants. “

    Wiegert asks if he seen anything all on her shirt. Also asks whose shirt and pants it was. 64. Fassbender asks about a purse, cell phone camera, the key to her car.

    Brendan writes again. “Some clothes in the fire pit that was a blue shirt and some pants. On the shirt there was blood on it and there was a hole in it in the stomach area and he said it was Teresa’s shirt. “

    There is no forensic evidence corroborating that she was stabbed or tied up in the back of the RAV4. They was no knife found under the seat of the vehicle.

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  10. After Brendan gave the investigators a written statement describing the body in the fire, he was allowed to return to class. Forty-five minutes later, Fassbender and Wiegert again had Brendan’s principal remove him from class. During that interval, the officers had contacted D.A. Kratz, who advised memorializing Brendan’s statement on videotape at the Two Rivers Police Station. They also had contacted Brendan’s mother Barb, from whom they now sought permission to interview Brendan. In seeking this permission, the officers did not tell Barb that they suspected that her son might be guilty of a crime. All Barb knew was that the officers wanted to interview Brendan because he might be a witness against Steven Avery.

    After being contacted by the officers, Barb drove to the school; upon her arrival, Wiegert and Fassbender drove her and Brendan to the Two Rivers Police Station in Fassbender’s unmarked police vehicle. Once at the station, the officers questioned Brendan alone while Barb waited outside the interrogation room. Under Wiegert and Fassbender’s questioning, Brendan repeated on video the same story that he had told at his high school. This time he adds that Steve used the snowmobile to drive her body from the salvage pit back the the burn pit. The officers repeatedly asked him if he helped Steven kill Halbach; each time, he replied “no.”

    After this interrogation concluded, the police arranged for Brendan, Barb, and one of his brothers to spend the night at the Fox Hills Resort at the government’s expense. At about 10:50PM, Fassbender came to their hotel room, where – without administering the Miranda rights or recording the conversation – he questioned Brendan further. Barb told Fassbender that on October 31, he had come home with bleach stains on his jeans stained his jeans after helping Steven clean up spilled automotive fluid on the garage floor. Fassbender repeatedly asked Brendan if the fluid could have looked like blood. Brendan repeatedly said no until finally said it could have.

    The next morning, Brendan and his family were permitted to leave the hotel.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/5d6nca/lmao_according_to_the_states_emergency_motion/

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  11. According to The state's "Emergency Motion," Even if we fed him the facts of this case it doesn't matter cause he said other stuff that could have been true, even though it doesn't match ANY of the evidence in the case. He basically says even if we coarced his confession he still might be guilty and someone has to be in jail to spare the Halbach's feelings so it may as well be him.

    [–]Nexious 17 points 7 hours ago

    Oh, he offered many detailed narratives! Unfortunately for Fassbender and Wiegert, the only ones that were corroborated by and shred of evidence came not from Brendan but from themselves.

    [–]ahhhreallynow 13 points 7 hours ago

    I wonder if they are referring to the Fox Hills pizza night that they didn't bother to record. They are not listening. They cannot use the confession(s). They are standing with their fingers in their ears screaming "I can't hearrr you".

    [–]Spitriol 11 points 6 hours ago

    This is an excellent example of a man/group/organization that is accustomed to have their interpretations of events taken as the gospel truth. What's sad is that they seem to have lost the ability to see through their own bullshit.

    [–]fodough 8 points 7 hours ago*

    Horse Shit!! They are claiming that BD offered a lengthy and detailed narrative before his confession was COERCED "fact-fed" ??

    Not only is that patently false but the entire "confession" was thrown out regardless.

    They are continuing to lie to the public and spread misinformation.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/5d6nca/lmao_according_to_the_states_emergency_motion/

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  12. Dassey release from prison still pending
    Alison Dirr and John Ferak , Post Crescent 9:07 p.m. CST November 15, 2016

    PORTAGE - Brendan Dassey remained incarcerated on Tuesday, a day after a federal judge ruled that he should be conditionally released while the state's appeal in his case is pending.

    As Dassey waits at Columbia Correctional Institution in Portage, questions remain unanswered.

    Among them: When he might be released and how state Attorney General Brad Schimel's announcement that he would be filing an "emergency motion" asking for a stay of the release order might impact that timeline.

    Late Tuesday afternoon, Schimel and Assistant Attorney General Jacob Wittwer filed an 11-page motion asking the federal courts not to grant Dassey's release. Schimel's office asked the federal court to issue an order deciding on its motion by 4 p.m. Wednesday. The Attorney General's Office also promised that it would have an emergency motion contesting Dassey's release from custody filed with the U.S. Court of Appeals 7th Circuit in Chicago by the end of the work day on Wednesday.

    "The State's case on the underlying appeal is very strong," Schimel's office contended in Tuesday's filing. "Two state courts previously determined that Dassey's March 1, 2006 confession was voluntary and all that need to be shown on habeas review is that the state appellate court's determination was one that a reasonable court could have made ... there is good reason to believe that this decision will be reversed."

    In the last-minute ruling, Schimel and Wittwer put forth an emotion plea, suggesting that Dassey's release from custody harms the family of victim Teresa Halbach. "Dassey confessed to extremely violent offenses and a jury unanimously found him guilty of first-degree intentional homicide, second-degree sexual assault and mutilation of a corpse," wrote Schimel and Wittwer.

    The state prosecutors argued that U.S. Magistrate Judge William Duffin's decision in August to overturn Dassey's conviction "does not establish that Dassey did not commit the crimes to which he confessed. Accordingly, Dassey's release should be regarded as a serious public safety issue. The public interest favors continued custody in these circumstances, regardless of Dassey's recent conduct in a controlled prison setting."

    Furthermore, state residents and Halbach's family and friends will "suffer real and substantial harm" if Dassey gets released before the court of appeals in Chicago decides whether to affirm Duffin's August decision to overturn Dassey's conviction, adding, "this harm is unjustified given the strong likelihood that this Court's underlying decision will be reversed and Dassey returned to state custody within the next few months."

    Duffin's order required that Dassey's attorneys provide the U.S. Probation Office with the address of his intended residence by no later than noon on Tuesday. The probation office must inspect the residence where Dassey intends to live and determine whether it is suitable.

    Where he would go after his release also remains purposely undisclosed.

    "In order to protect the privacy and safety needs of Brendan and his family, the proposed release plan does not include specific addresses for the proposed release locations," his attorneys wrote in their motion seeking his release. "Counsel will immediately provide this information, along with photographs of the proposed release locations' exteriors and interiors, to this Court upon request."

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  13. On Tuesday, Stu Slotnick, a prominent New York criminal defense attorney, said that Duffin's decision on Monday ordering Dassey's release from custody was not all that surprising, nor were the restrictions the judge put on any travel for Dassey.

    "Setting out these terms is not unusual," said Slotnick, a lawyer at the firm of Buchanan, Ingersoll & Rooney.

    "Clearly, the magistrate judge realized he was not a risk to the community," Slotnick said. "The risk of flight was also weighted and clearly the judge felt he'll be back" for any future court appearances.

    Slotnick said he believes it's doubtful the Wisconsin Department of Justice will prevail in any attempt to reinstate Dassey's 2007 murder conviction. Slotnick expects Wisconsin prosecutors will lose their case after the arguments are presented before the court of appeals in Chicago.

    "Without the confession, the state is left wondering what evidence am I going to use to convict this defendant," Slotnick said. "The suppression of a confession is a major blow to the prosecution. It clearly will be an uphill battle for the prosecution but we'll have to wait and see what happens in the courts."

    http://www.stevenspointjournal.com/story/news/2016/11/15/dassey-release-prison-still-pending/93901492/

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  14. [–]Witka 10 points 8 hours ago

    That dirty Weigert. He knew Brenden was innocent the whole time. How can he sleep at night I feel sorry if he has kids and a wife that asshole has no dignity as far as I'm concerned.

    [–]Functionally_Drunk 4 points 5 hours ago

    The thing is they often convince themselves that they are in the right. They say to themselves "No innocent person would ever admit to something they didn't do." Even though as interrogators they are trained to make people say whatever they want them to. It's very odd mental gymnastics.

    [–]lrbinfrisco 1 point 4 hours ago

    Sort of like how pedofiles convince themselves that they aren't doing anything wrong by raping children. "They really want to have sex with me. I'm just helping them out." Makes me sick.

    [–]Jog212 5 points 8 hours ago

    I will be donating to his gofundme page the moment his release date is announced

    [–]ImNotTallerThanU 3 points 8 hours ago

    That poor fucker deserves every penny coming his way. Hopefully he doesn't blow it all on coke and hookers or get tangled up with some crazy bitch who somehow steals his $$

    [–]Jog212 4 points 7 hours ago

    He has a great team working for him. I now people know what they are capable of.

    [–]Altwolf 1 point 3 hours ago

    I hope Scotty T doesn't get his creepy hands on the cash. That is the one thing holding me back from donating right now. I couldn't sleep at night knowing that ST was benefitting from donations to Brenden.

    [–]knowjustice 3 points 10 hours ago

    If anything, someone with some sense (I hope) is looking out for his best interests. IMO, Scott Tadych is not someone he needs in his life. Barb does NOT make good decisions. I'll end it there.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/5d4hik/dassey_release_from_prison_still_pending_as_of/

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  15. Emily Matesic
    ‏@EmilyMatesic
    @WisDOJ to file an emergency motion with the Seventh Circuit Court of appeals to stay US District Court order to release Dassey.
    8:36 AM - 16 Nov 2016

    The motion to stay was denied. Duffin ordered Dassey to be released by 8 p.m. this Friday, but to the state will file another emergency appeal with 7th Circuit Court of Appeals. They still have to release Brendan by 8 pm on Friday, unless the 7th agrees to the stay before that time. The 7th Circuit Court most likely won't go against Judge Duffin's ruling (now for the second time) in favor of Wisconsin's Attorney General. WI AG is going through the motions in defense of the Halbach family for appearance purposes. It will look bad if they just throw in the towel. "We tried and so, don't blame us. It was Judge Duffin's and the 7th Circuit's decision."

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  16. State DOJ files motion in 7th circuit to stop release of Brendan Dassey.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/9c5rlhyvu4zsaqi/Document.pdf?dl=0


    Laura Nirider has already filed a response (excerpt below):

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/bcal4m06fi2rbnh/Document%20%281%29.pdf?dl=0

    In A.M. v. Butler , in contrast, this Court granted ha beas relief where the interrogation more closely resembled Brendan’s. A.M. was 11 years old with no mental limitations; he had no criminal history and was initially regarded as a witness; and like Brendan, he was questioned numerous times and told various versions of the relevant events before eventually admitting to beating and stabbing an 83-year-old woman – an admission he made only after police told him that he had lied and “needed to tell the truth.” During A.M.’s interrogation, the police touched A.M.’s knees (as was done with Brendan) and, strongly reminiscent of Brendan’s understanding that he was going back to school, falsely “said that if he confessed...he could go home in time for his brother’s birthday party.” Like Brendan, no physical evidence tied A.M. to the bloody murder; and like Brendan, A.M. recanted as soon as his mother was allowed into the interrogation room. There, this Court granted habeas relief, noting that the police’s tactics “could easily lead a young boy to ‘confess’ to anything.” Admittedly, Brendan was five years older than A.M., at least chronologically; but his low I.Q., inability to comprehend abstract language, and extreme suggestibility may make his mental state closer to that of A.M ., who had no limitations at all.

    There is absolutely no reason, furthermore, to suspect that Mr. Dassey will present a danger upon his release. The fact that he was convicted of serious crimes nearly ten years ago cannot suffice: “If the mere fact of having been convicted in the case to which a habeas corpus petition is directed was enough to overcome Rule 23(c)’s presumption of release, the presumption would be meaningless.” This is all the more true given the district court’s “significant doubts as to the reliability” of Mr. Dassey’s confession... Mr. Dassey had no criminal record whatsoever prior to the instant case. And over the past ten years, he has accumulated a nearly spotless prison record in which he has only been disciplined twice: once for possessing five packets of ramen noodle soup and once for repairing items including a checkerboard with Scotch tape.His prison files reflect a gentle man who, according to a 2010 prison report, always “works in a cooperative manner with staff and other offenders” and “displays responsible behavior” at school.

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  17. While Brendan’s release – which has been carefully planned to minimize disruption to the Halbach family and the Manitowoc community – does not threaten the State of Wisconsin with any concrete risk of harm and is neither irreparable nor irreversible, Brendan would experience profound harm if this Court were to gr ant a stay. “[E]very day Petitioner spends in prison compounds the substantial harm that he has suffered on account of imprisonment based upon an unconstitutional conviction.” Indeed, “maintaining the status quo” pending appeal only “increases the length of time [Petitioner] spends in prison on an unconstitutional conviction...Any harm to the State pales in comparison.”

    The Appellant is not entitled to an emergency stay. It has asked this Court to wreak irreparable harm on Brendan Dassey by preventing his supervised release from prison while failing to persuasively identify any harm that would be suffered by the State of Wisconsin if he were to be released. It has not rebutted the presumption of release contained in Federal Rule of Procedure 23, nor has it rebutted the “presumption of correctness” afforded to the district court’s order granting release. It has not identified any argument on appeal capable of overcoming the district court’s meticulous, ninety-one-page opinion granting relief, and in deed it has erroneously presented the facts of Mr. Dassey’s interrogation. The Appellant is entitled to appeal the district court’s grant of bond, but not while Mr. Dassey loses more days of his life to incarceration. Brendan Dassey asks this Court to deny the Appellant’s Emergency Motion to Stay.

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  18. Dassey's trial attorney on proposed, supervised release: "It's about time"

    By Tony Galli, ABC 27
    Posted: Nov 15, 2016 8:48 PM EST
    Updated: Nov 16, 2016 9:31 AM EST

    MADISON (WKOW) -- The attorney who defended Brendan Dassey when the teenager was convicted in 2007 of the sexual assault and murder of photographer Teresa Halbach says a federal judge magistrate's decision to allow Dassey to leave prison on supervised release is appropriate.

    "It's about a time," Dane County Court Commissioner Mark Fremgen says. The judge magistrate's decision comes after he overturned Dassey's conviction in August, maintaining Dassey's confession to interrogators was coerced. The state attorney general has appealed that decision, and filed legal action Tuesday to try to stop Dassey's supervised release as the case remains pending.

    In 2006, Fremgen was an attorney in private practice in Winnebago County who was given a state public defender's appointment to represent Dassey. Halbach's killing took place in Manitowoc County in 2005, but venue was changed for both Dassey and his accused uncle, Steven Avery, who was also convicted in the sex assault and killing.


    Fremgen says the sixteen year old Dassey was cognitively delayed with no juvenile record. "I got to know Brendan, and I got to know him to be a really nice kid."

    Fremgen says during trial breaks, Dassey appeared numb to the stakes in his situation.

    "His conversations sometimes would be, 'What do you think the dinner will be tonight,' or a book that he was reading, as if eight hours of trial didn't even sink in," Fremgen tells 27 News.

    He says Dassey was consistent about the deadly events involving Halbach. "He never once told us he was involved," Fremgen says.

    Fremgen remembers his regret when Dassey was convicted and sentenced.

    "Maybe it's a little easier to deal with if it's a three time felon, who's used to it, and knows what to expect," Fremgen tells 27 News. "But it was kind of tough with someone who, because of his age, just because of his personality, came off as a very affable person. Kind of hard to see that kind of person go away for such a long time."

    Fremgen says the attorney general should consider the long odds against prevailing in the attempt to stop the supervised release, in the appeal, and in any possible retrial, given the decision on Dassey's police interrogation.

    "Society's changed in the last eleven years," he says. "I think ten, eleven years ago, they might be reluctant to hold police accountable for questionable interrogation techniques. I don't think that's the case anymore," Fremgen tells 27 News. Attorney General Brad Schimel argues Dassey's confession was voluntary with no, false promises offered him, and also says Dassey's life sentence, and other factors, weigh against a supervised release.

    Fremgen says Dassey's mother will help Dassey transition from a decade behind bars to living in a community.

    http://www.wkow.com/story/33719471/2016/11/15/dasseys-trial-attorney-on-proposed-supervised-release-its-about-time

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  19. 7th Circuit Grants the State's Motion to Stay Dassey's Release (self.TickTockManitowoc)
    submitted 5 hours ago by SkippTopp

    Here's the order: http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Order-Granting-Motion-to-Stay-Release.pdf

    [–]TheEntity1 21 points 5 hours ago

    As I said yesterday, it's a lousy double standard. A convicted man is forced to stay in prison while he appeals his conviction. But when a convicted man has his conviction thrown out on Constitutional grounds and the state chooses to appeal, fairness dictates that the man go free while the state appeals. But no, he remains in prison while THEY appeal. Disgusting.

    [–]thed0ngs0ng 8 points 4 hours ago

    this is a really sad day for the american justice system

    [–]AgentSpectre 5 points 4 hours ago

    Sadly, I think the idea here is for the corrupt cabal to keep Avery and Dassey's legal fights mired in beaurocratic shit until they are both dead. This way the truth about these "law enforcement" scum stays suppressed. They are winning.

    [–]casaverdogbrutus 32 points 5 hours ago

    Honestly guys I give up. Ridiculous. Constitutional rights ignored, coerced confession.

    0 evidence tying BD to the crime, Laura's absolute slam dunk reply to the states pathetic motion.

    The seventh circuit still vote in their favour, either the judges are connected with someone from the old boys club or its just a shit reality of how bad the justice system is!!

    I am dumbfounded and quite frankly I am losing any hope for the guys at all. This is a disgrace.

    [–]Karen-in-Toronto 6 points 4 hours ago

    Response from Center on Wrongful Convictions of Youth

    November 17, 2016

    "The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that Brendan Dassey must stay in prison until his appeal is resolved. We are disappointed more than words can say. The fight goes on."

    http://www.law.northwestern.edu/legalclinic/wrongfulconvictionsyouth/

    [–]LearnedObserver2 4 points 3 hours ago*

    If this panel rules against BD, he could ask for an entire En Banc Review (where all the Judges of the 7th Circuit would vote). That's not common. If that is unsuccessful, then yes the Supreme Court would be the next stop. I've said it other places (at least to me) the issue of juveniles and interrogation needs more guidance, and part of me thinks it could be considered by the US Supreme Court. Maybe that's wishful thinking.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/5dh9ep/7th_circuit_grants_the_states_motion_to_stay/

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  20. Don't read too much into today's Dassey 7th Circuit decision: (self.TickTockManitowoc)
    submitted 4 hours ago * by solunaView

    Instead of typing this out a bunch of times I decided to start a new thread. People need to understand what today's decision is, and what it is not.

    While everyone is disappointed in the 7th Circuit ruling, this decision has no bearing on the state's appeal of Duffin's August decision, overturning the case.

    Put simply what this decision today turns on is entirely procedural. The fault lies within the wording of Magistrate Duffin's original decision. When he stated that his decision was stayed if the state appealed that was the defining moment for today's decision by the 7th Circuit.

    William Duffin is a learned and outstanding lawyer and judge. He failed in this instance to include imminent release criteria in his original decision (something that many of us pointed to in the very beginning, no crime no jail time!) It is obvious now that Magistrate Duffin intended for Brendan to be released while the appeals process plays out. This opinion has great precedent in Habeas cases. However the language Duffin used gave the state the opening they needed to keep Brendan locked up until this is decided.

    Don't take this decision to mean more than it does on it's face. Duffin's August decision is on solid legal footing and the process will play out. Today's 7th Circuit decision is no indication of anything beyond that court's reading (correctly) that Duffin erred in staying his decision completely on state appeal.

    Get pissed, have a drink. Hug someone you love. Just remember this is far from over. Brendan's day is coming.

    [–]solunaView[S] 12 points 4 hours ago*

    My feeling is they likely had a good idea that this would be denied but they had to try. Truth be told Nirider and Drizen should possibly have filed their motion for release BEFORE the state filed their motion to appeal. The problem there would be the appearance that Nirider and Drizen were pointing out an error in Duffin's landmark opinion that they had just won.

    It all goes back to how the original decision was written. Duffin's intent was that Brendan be released but he needed to take things a step further and include the reasoning and criteria in his original decision.

    Very likely this was the first successful Habeas case for all involved on both sides of the aisle. Not that that is an excuse.

    [–]ed7609 5 points 4 hours ago

    So the fact that later he said "by 8pm Friday" carries no weight at all?

    [–]solunaView[S] 8 points 4 hours ago

    No because he wrote originally that his decision was stayed completely should the state appeal. The only question afterwards was whether Duffin had the authority to change or interpret his own decision and it was proven today that he does not. Lesson learned.

    [–]ed7609 7 points 4 hours ago

    Thats an almighty fuck up.

    [–]solunaView[S] 8 points 4 hours ago

    I would have to agree. This one is on Duffin. If you are cynical one could argue that Duffin intended for Brendan to be kept in prison from the get go but passed that determination on to someone else by handling the wording the way he did. I'm more likely to believe that he simply erred in not following Rule 23 of Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/5dhnyq/dont_read_too_much_into_todays_dassey_7th_circuit/

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  21. Even though Lautenschlager never came forward publicly, her signature is all over the case:

    —Steven P. Schmitz, a Fond Du Lac resident and relative to Fond Du Lac Board Member Todd Schmitz, was one of the stops Teresa Halbach supposedly made on October 31, 2005. It should be noted that Peg, also a Fond Du Lac resident, had asked Todd to lie for her about improper usage of her State vehicle after being brought before the Ethics Board in 2004. Cell tower pings prove it was impossible for Halbach to have made this stop at Steven P. Schmitz’s address. Was Todd’s relative Steven P. Schmitz also asked to lie about Teresa’s visit?

    —Lautenschläger approves State Crime Lab’s Sherry Culhane’s inconclusive and contaminated forensic evidence.

    —Lautenschlager initiated the “Wisconsin Question 2” poll taken in November 2006, months before Avery’s February 2007 trial, in which, 1.5 million Wisconsinites voted to bring back the Death Penalty for those Convicted of Intentional Homicide by Forensic Evidence.

    —Lautenschlager had a personal feud with former Governor Jim Doyle, who took Avery under his wing when exonerated; she also budgeted the funds for the State DOJ. Stopping Avery’s $36,000,000 civil suit would certainly embarrass Doyle. It’s motive.

    —DCI Special Agent Deb Strauss, who deposed Manitowoc and worked with Peg very diligently on her December 17, 2003 report citing Manitowoc County of having never wronged Avery in the Penny Beernsten case, shows up on the Avery property the 6 & 7 of November.

    Why is this a major issue?

    Manitowoc has given over jurisdiction on the 5th and Lautenschlager isn’t even appearing publicly because of the apparent conflicts of the depositions, yet she still sends and approves DCI Special Agent Deborah Strauss to remain a part of the investigation after she deposed Lenk and Colborn herself in 2003, before Avery’s civil attorney deposed them in 2005.

    Deb Strauss is a direct link between Peg, Lenk & Colborn. A huge conflict to be walking around on the Avery Property November 6 & 7 while Lenk and Colborn are also there, after she deposed them for Lautenschlager in 2003; and then gets deposed herself by Civil Attorneys for Avery on the day Lenk and Colborn are present with her in 2005 just weeks before Halbach disappears.

    There are so many things that can be pointed out that Lautenschlager, sitting on a “Tunnel Vision Prevention” Commission, as to why this Attorney General should had stood up and protected Avery & Dassey; but it didn’t happen. Instead, she had the DCI there to continue protecting Manitowoc, and it basically appears she literally helped them to frame Avery to stop his $36,000,000 civil suit.

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  22. Now, Jerome Buting was seated to this Criminal Justice Study Commission in August 2005 when it started. Buting was still seated in early 2006 when Steven Avery hired him. Buting is still a seated member today.

    So, here are two of the most important questions to ask Jerome Buting that he has continued to dodge since March 2016…

    …Buting, why didn’t you get Attorney General Lautenschlager, who you conversed with during the Halbach investigation & Avery Pre-Trial, to step in and stop what you felt was a “Tunnel Vision Case?”

    …Buting, The very things you and Lautenschlager stood for, and sat on the same commission for, even when hired by Avery to be represented, why did you never turn to the Attorney General for help in his “Tunnel Vision Case”???

    As for the Current Attorney General Brad Schimel—

    I think it should be highly and very appropriate of Peg Lautenschlager, who is ironically now sitting on the new 2016 Wisconsin Ethics Board, to be asked by Brad Schimel why she allowed the DCI, Manitowoc and Calumet to conduct the Halbach investigation as they did and why she never stepped forth in the public light to make sure “Tunnel Vision” was not happening?

    When you sit down and ask yourself where Peg Lautenschlager was at the time of the Halbach Case Investigation, it is very certain and clear that the answer is…

    …Lautenschlager was conducting the entire frame job behind the scenes.

    Will Brad Schimel investigate and hold Peg Lautenschlager responsible?

    https://productionsouth.wordpress.com/2016/08/30/will-ag-brad-schimel-hold-wisconsins-ex-top-cop-personally-responsible/

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  23. [–]HuNuWutWen 3 points 1 year ago

    Nobody should be surprised about this appeal. KZ certainly isn't, she was expecting it, she merely didn't see any benefit in talking about it...she's in the business, it is what it is...

    Really, folks, we are simply seeing the Legal Process and Human Nature on display...

    What "choice" does the AG(Schimel) have but to support the "side" of the State?...no way could he arbitrarily take it upon himself to "do the right thing"...career suicide...not happening...

    As for KZ previous ambiguous tweet regarding "crucial witnesses coming forward"-(notice the dash in the tweet, to separate the text into 2 distinct phrases)-"as they always do when...." , nobody has come forward, nobody is going to come forward, imo, and this latest appeal by the Wisconsin AG only serves as a reminder that these awful people of Manitowoc have gotten away with it...

    And there's not a Gawd-damned thing we can do about it...scream all ya like, nobody in Manitowoc is listening...

    KZ will get NADA from these LIARS, they've lived their lies for a decade, to the point where most of them have blocked out the entire fiasco, convinced themselves they did nothing wrong, and would not even consider ratting out their colleagues and friends...mutually assured destruction?...please...to placate a bunch of naive onlookers who foolishly believe that "good will triumph over evil..."...really? REALLY? That's just not how the World works...

    This case isn't a "whistleblower" thing...people need to realize this distinction...where a whistleblower can rat the group, and then walk away free... no ...these bastards are all in, nobody survives...or everybody survives...and we've seen for the last ten years that simply by STFU, they're untouchable...

    Notice what happens whenever one of them opens their yap...

    It takes the form of a verbal affirmation of loyalty to the group...

    Bring the Science KZ...because these fuckers have doubled-down again...this time they've got the AG fronting for them...

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/51zgdg/kathleen_zellner_zellnerlaw_wisconsin_ag/

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  24. [–]HuNuWutWen 4 points 1 year ago

    AC has enjoyed quite the decent career with MTSO, so far. He has been promoted through the ranks over the years, he is now a Lieutenant, correct? He has made a life for himself, and his family, in Manitowoc, correct? Point is, AC plays ball, ya know, he knows on which side the bread is buttered...so all of a sudden, after a decade of denials and "ludicrous" scoffing, he grows a suicidal conscience? I really wish it could happen, but...

    AC is no doubt a central figure in this whole frame-up of SA, his rendition of shaking the nightstand is the stuff of legend down at the precinct, right along with GK "the pencil" uncanny sketch of SA, and KP "easier to just kill him", NG "sometimes you have to deviate from protocol", KK "reasonable doubt is for innocent people...", I could go on, but it's blatantly apparent that this a collective effort...

    The elephant in the living room with this case, is the sad fact that it doesn't matter what we "know", it only matters what we (KZ) can prove, in open court...

    If AC (or anyone else) came forward, the others would simply close ranks and continue to deny, and let's not forget the deceased GK,whom I think played a pivotal role in orchestrating this fiasco, he is a dead guy who cannot defend himself, make of that what you will...people could simply point a finger at him, yup, it was AC and GK all along...I guess AC had us all fooled...yup...nope...

    In order for anyone to come forward with evidence of substantive value, something which is first-hand, not hearsay, something which KZ can actually present as "proof" of framing, planting, etc , that person would be directly implicating themselves, and no amount of "explaining" will help that person escape punishment...there is no leniency on offer to cops who obstruct and pervert the course of justice...

    DS and JB based SA defense on the misconduct of LE, and a frame-up, it didn't work back then...because they had no concrete evidence...I just don't subscribe to the notion that AC or anyone else will magically do the right thing, throw themselves and their families to the dogs, ruin the lives of dozens of children who had nothing to do with the actions of their parents...

    AC would go to prison for LIFE, and possibly be the only LE person who gets held to account...

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/51iukt/essay_ac_must_be_one_of_kzs_witnesses/

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  25. [–]HuNuWutWen 3 points 1 year ago

    Let's say I'm a person who has information which could possibly be of benefit to SA and KZ in her quest to expose "the truth"...

    When did I discover this info?...have I known this info all these years?...if so, why did I not come forward 10 years ago?...I need an answer to this question...an honest answer...oops...

    What can KZ offer me now?...nothing...that's what....

    In fact, even if I had nothing to do with the alleged misconduct and nothing to do with the alleged crimes, I would be virtually ruined by coming forward...and so would my family...so, what's in it for me?...

    And yes, that is Human Nature at work, folks...self-preservation, SURVIVAL instinct... the very same basic Human trait that convinces me that SA did not murder TH...he then makes no attempt to get away with it...6 hours to eradicate a corpse....yet leaves evidence strewn around his property that Hellen Keller could find...yeah, no...the frame-up is so obvious it appears childish...

    These awful people in Manitowoc have gotten away with framing SA simply by collectively STFU, this is not rocket science, just shut your friggin' pie hole, don't talk, or we all go down... sure, it's possible that someone who is peripherally involved is covering their ass by talking shit...and they have lost their minds, and don't care about their own lives, or their children...yeah, does that sound probable?...

    If people are talking, it is totally contrary to Human Nature...

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/51ei5m/kzs_witnesses_drawing_a_conclusion/

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  26. [–]tuckerm33

    Unfortunately it is almost true from the governments perspective. It's not that people's lives don't matter, but that concern comes second when it comes down to admitting fault.

    I'll be very honest with you. I can almost guarantee you that there isn't a single person on the side of the prosecution that actually believes Brendan's story. They all know it's bullshit, but they can't say it. You want to know why? It's because they are afraid what happens when they admit they were wrong. They lose face so to speak. Simply, they (the state), will lose all credibility and every case they ever prosecuted in the past as well as any case they prosecute going forward will be open to similar suspicion.

    Basically they fear that the judicial system will break down and it will be chaos. So even though the current players in the State's role, like LB, had nothing to do with the original conviction, the pressure is on him/them to stand by what his predecessors did.

    BD was collateral damage, sacrificed to secure SA's conviction to stop the civil suit and end the law that was being passed under SA's name.

    The state can't afford to have BD exonerated as that would surely propel the exoneration of SA as well. A false confession coupled with planted evidence were married together to secure SA's conviction.

    LN and her staff have come through for BD, and KZ has certainly opened the door for SA. BD's exoneration is the first domino in which to tumble it all down and the State is going to bite, scratch and kick until the very end trying to prevent BD from getting out.

    So when you say that it seems like lives don't matter, it's depends on which side of the courtroom you are sitting.

    It is a decent but easily corruptible system, controlled by those that are corrupt.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/6lflzr/just_so_everyone_knows/

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  27. [–]tuckerm33 8 points 11 hours ago

    This is the bottom line. There likely isn't a single judge, prosecutor or civilian that doesn't agree that the investigators tactics were repulsive. It's impossible to watch those interviews, read those transcripts and not only be disgusted with the MW and TF, but to also believe any of it was true.

    Anyone, especially a lawyer with high intelligence, look at all of this and with very little effort, come to the correct conclusion that BD's story is made up. LB knows it. Everyone on the State's team knows it and the seven judges know it.

    What rials me is there hard-lined insistence on keeping the game going. LB sounds like a very pompous young douche-bag when he talks. Suggesting to the judges themselves they are wrong and they should reread the transcripts.

    When LB was asked a very direct question, asking him for a physical reference to what actions they physically took to elicit special care to BD, all he can do is repeat his mantra.

    "Remember, this is Habeas review. All we are required to do..bla bla bla". God forbid LB actually answer the question with any sort of hint that he gets what she is saying. Like a "Yes, I get it, BD is slow and it's possible he was confused". Instead he blatantly always just says "No". The judge even laughed at him once.

    I agree with the first response below, the oral arguments are really just a chance to clarify their potions. Further, I believe, just as with the 3 panel review, these decisions are already made and the judges have already written their affirm and dissent before the oral arguments. We see with Judge H.'s dissent and the majority from the 3 panel review, they had referenced each other's opinions in the writing, which shows they were likely already aware of each other's position going into the oral arguments.

    Now, there may be a scenario where there is a judge that is on the fence and perhaps an effective argument from one side or the other could persuade them.

    It certainly seems that there was one male Judge, not Judge H. and female Judge S., that were working in tandem trying to trip up LN about this case coming down to BD's IQ level and whether or no LN was trying to create new case law here which of course would be beyond the scope of the review and would lead to a backdoor to dissenting.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/72ze5b/so_what_do_we_think_folks/

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  28. [–]bigmouthlurker

    If they want finality then simple remove 'reasonable' from the jury instructions. "Guilty beyond doubt...." is all the instruction they would need. "Guilty beyond doubt. Guilty like water is wet. If you have any doubt about guilt then you must acquit." SIMPLE. As soon as they included 'guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" they surpassed the comprehension level of 80% of jurors and muddled the instructions so finality can never be reached. Or else increase the jury selection to 120 jurors per case. 10 groups of jurors hearing the same case. If 120 jurors decide guilty beyond reasonable doubt then they will have finality.

    I'm totally in favor of finality. I'm in favor of only 100% guilty criminals in prison. That can only be achieved by taking the word 'reasonable' out of the instructions and/or vastly increasing the jurors assigned to each case. The status quo is great on paper but a complete mess in reality.

    A mere 12 jurors per case with muddled instructions is the source of this mess. Increase the number of jurors and change these philosophic instructions.

    [–]jams1015

    "I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned." (Feynman)

    The state has pissed me off to no end. This is OUR MOTHERFUCKING SYSTEM, we just permit them to run it justly. If We, the People want to investigate the goddamn font they used for their memos, we deserve that answer. Transparency is vital for fairness. The outright, deliberate deflections have dashed my faith in this system.

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  29. Brendan appealed his 2007 murder conviction to the Wisconsin appellate court, which refused to throw out his confession and upheld his conviction. After the state supreme court refused to hear his case and he had exhausted his state appeals, in 2014 he petitioned the federal district court in Wisconsin for a writ of habeas corpus based on violations of his due process rights. Judge William E. Duffin found his confession involuntary and reversed his conviction, a decision which was later affirmed by a three-judge panel of the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago.

    Wisconsin officials petitioned the Seventh Circuit for a rehearing en banc, which is consideration of the case by the full nine-member court, or as close as possible to the full court. At the state’s request, Brendan remained imprisoned pending outcome. On December 8, in a divided decision by seven members on the court, the en banc panel reversed all the prior rulings and held that his confession was admissible after all, so his conviction still stands. Four judges voted with the majority and three judges dissented.

    http://www.chicagonow.com/friendly-curmudgeon/2017/12/no-matter-how-you-slice-it-brendan-dasseys-confession-was-unreliable-part-3/

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  30. [–]What_a_Jem

    Everyone knew what they did to Brendan, but just wanted to hide behind some legal defence.

    Thanks! I hope this will help our newer members or anyone that hasn't went through and read these Motions.

    Thank you. Since MaM, I have wondered if it was possible that Avery and Brendan might have been guilty, but the more you read, the more obvious it is, that Avery was framed, and Brendan was used to help convict him. Pretty sickening really. I wonder how they would feel if one of their kids was railroaded, although in reality, it wouldn't happen to one of their kids, because their kids wouldn't be like Brendan. Vulnerable and unsupported.

    [–]JJacks61[S]

    Thank you. Since MaM, I have wondered if it was possible that Avery and Brendan might have been guilty, but the more you read, the more obvious it is, that Avery was framed, and Brendan was used to help convict him. Pretty sickening really. I wonder how they would feel if one of their kids was railroaded, although in reality, it wouldn't happen to one of their kids, because their kids wouldn't be like Brendan. Vulnerable and unsupported.

    In this motion to appeal for Brendan, it's so obvious that Kratz and Fallon were desperate to minimize what Kachinsky let O'Kelly do to Brendan.

    It's compounded because Fassbender called Kachinsky AFTER O'Kelly called to get this interrogation setup for the following day. (This will be in my next post)

    There's not a chance in hell that Kratz didn't know and approve of this action. He should have put a stop to this bullshittery and reported Kachinsky.

    Fox certainly knew this, yet ruled against Brendan. To me, this is a clear due process violation. I guess I see things differently lol.

    [–]What_a_Jem

    I think you see things as there are. Corrupt. I'm pretty certain that Kratz had been planning how to get more evidence against Avery for some time, simply because it became more and more apparent, that it had been MTSO finding all the evidence, even though Pagel had publicly stated MTSO would not be involved in the investigation.

    I'm sure Kratz would have reviewed Brendan's November 6th interview, knowing the bus driver couldn't have seen Teresa that day, so knew Brendan had initially told the truth, but when confronted, changed his story to fit with what the investigators were telling him was the truth. Perfect subject to elicit a false confession from.

    In Avery's phone call with Jodi, Avery admitted Brendan was with him, so if the prosecution believed Avery had burned a body, and that Brendan was with him, then why wait four months to raise that with Brendan. They decide to interview all the family again, but I would like to see the transcript of the interview with Brendan's cousin, where she said Brendan had lost weight etc., as I have a feeling, they knew that, but actually asked her about it, which was then their lame excuse to start questioning Brendan as a possible suspect.

    Brendan said he had lost weight due to "girl" problems, but rather than halting the interview to corroborate that, they simple continued with the theory that he was "hurting" because he knew what had happened to Teresa.

    Kratz was probably amazed at how incompetent LK was, and how dishonest MK was, so tried to distance himself, while at the same time, allowing the May interview, in the hope of getting one clear and concise confession from Brendan. That failed miserably. At one point, Brendan says he was Steve drop the key on the floor. Why would he do that? Because no doubt he had heard the key was found on the floor! Fassbender and Wiegert had to point out to Brendan, that where he claims he was at the time, he couldn't have see Avery drop a key. And so it went on!

    When all this is done, I would love to see a full length documentary detailing everything that happened to Brendan. It that doesn't show how corrupt it is, nothing will...

    CONTINUED...

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  31. [–]JJacks61[S]

    Brendan said he had lost weight due to "girl" problems, but rather than halting the interview to corroborate that, they simple continued with the theory that he was "hurting" because he knew what had happened to Teresa.

    One of the more vile things FACTbender pulled, and it's a long list.

    Kratz knew exactly what was going on. READ ME. He allowed it, then tries to distance himself.

    http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/2010-PC-Hearing-Exhibit-363-DCI-Report-5.12.06_Redacted.pdf

    [–]What_a_Jem

    What seems extraordinary, is that it appears to be legal, that an investigator can say they want to interview Brendan without anyone there (which completely contradicts there claim that they were happy for Barb to be present during interviews), and a defense attorney is allowed to accept that.

    [–]JJacks61[S]

    I'll have to search, but afaik, it was O'Kelly that set this chain of events in motion, not Brendan. What I'm saying is, Brendan didn't demand a phone call, to LK.

    He also didn't leave this interrogation with MoK, and ask to use the phone so he could call anyone. From my perspective, if this was even hinted to Brendan, it's overreach from O'Kelly. And I believe thats what happened, he suggested all of it.

    [–]What_a_Jem

    I agree. All Brendan was told, is you ARE being interviewed by Fassbender and Wiegert again, then you WILL phone your mum after the interview.

    LK has always confused me. Get's given Brendan's case, turns up grinning like a Cheshire cat when he see's the media, then buries Brendan before even talking to him. He then appoints the POS Mok, but pretends he didn't know what he was doing, which makes him either a liar or a complete f'ing moron.

    I think his focus was Avery, the wrongly convicted hero making all the headlines, who the prosecution wanted to silence. I'm not sure LK gave Brendan any thought really, other than what did the Calumet DA and DCI want. But I still can't see, how a defence attorney could be SO incompetent (I'm being kind), but end up a judge!

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/7l686k/2010_dassey_post_conviction_motion_hearing_part_3/

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