Wisconsin: Something Evil Has Been Happening There For Decades: A Tale of Two Interrogations for Steven Avery: O'Neill Versus Wiegert

Thursday, August 18, 2016

A Tale of Two Interrogations for Steven Avery: O'Neill Versus Wiegert

Transcript: Why You Should Never Talk to The Police, by James Duane - BitMote . @lifeafterten @MelissaCJustice http://t.co/SkFNIVIGXq
— Kathleen Zellner (@ZellnerLaw) July 11, 2015

ON NOVEMBER 4, 2005, MANITOWOC COUNTY DEPUTIES JIM LENK AND DAVE REMIKER DID A CURSORY SEARCH OF AVERY'S TRAILER WITH HIS CONSENT.

ON NOVEMBER 5, 2005, ANTHONY O'NEILL OF THE MARINETTE COUNTY SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT INTERVIEWED STEVEN AVERY AT HIS PARENTS' CABIN IN CRIVITZ.

O'Neill's Report (images below):
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Steven-Avery-Interview-Report-2005Nov05.pdf

Audio Version:
https://www.youtube.com/v/m - 5ZUFmV2lU

Transcription by Nexious at Reddit (48 pages):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8looshxob1ymt53/%5B2005%2011%2005%5D%20-%20Steven%20Avery%20Police%20Interview.pdf?dl=0

DCI Report of Allan Avery's Interaction with Skorlinski in Crivitz on November 5, 2005 (screenshots from Making A Murderer):
http://imgur.com/a/g0f4e

A DAY LATER, ON NOVEMBER 6, 2005, ANTHONY O’NEILL AGAIN INTERVIEWED STEVEN AVERY, THIS TIME IN CONJUNCTION WITH DCI AGENT KIM SKORLINSKI.

Audio Version:
https://www.youtube.com/v/8qkn8AJPSUs

Transcription by Nexious at Reddit (72 pages):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b79exnahkck553j/%5B2005%2011%2006%5D%20-%20Steven%20Avery%20Police%20Interview.pdf?dl=0

O'Neill's Report:
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Steven-Avery-Interview-Report-2005Nov06.pdf

Excerpts from the Transcript:
http://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2016/12/avery-told-detective-oneill-on-november.html

ON NOVEMBER 9, 2005, MARK WIEGERT OF THE CALUMET COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND AGENT TOM FASSBENDER OF DCI INTERROGATED STEVEN AVERY AFTER ARRESTING HIM FOR "POSSESSION OF A FIREARM BY A FELON."

DVD copy of the November 9, 2005 interrogation. Be warned, the quality is really bad and it's very difficult to hear - I think it was originally recorded on VHS.

YouTube link: click here

Audio-only link: click here

Written report link (reorganized excerpt below): click here

If you think our criminal justice system is alive & well, you are dead wrong.Great article @EFMoriarty @lifeafterten http://t.co/GairiT0cIV
— Kathleen Zellner (@ZellnerLaw) July 7, 2015

9 comments:

magiclougieSunday, July 17, 2016
Guilters say "there is no such thing as coincidence" regarding Avery?
submitted 3 months ago by hos_gotta_eat_too

Let's go over some coincidences in 3 cases:

Avery vs. Mataya vs. Fencl

We all know Avery's case, so the other two is what I want to look at.

With Avery, the key factor to me is that her items were separate from her body in the burn pit..they sat in a burn barrel.

Mataya. According to his step-daughter, her items were seen in the trunk of a police car, possessed by a cop with "scars on his face".

Fencl: Her items were found in a plastic bag in the river. Odd that Sturm found some items on a riverbed, a cell phone and papers, a day or two after TH's car was found, but before the items were located in the burn barrel.

Lawyers:

Fencl's attorney basically worked against him (assisting the prosecution), and was used to testify against him after being taken off of Fencl's case. His attorney, Alpert, wanted to write a book on the case. Fencle was described as very friendly when being questioned about the missing girl. Avery was decribed by Colborn as very cordial. Wonder why they HAVE to report on what their demeanor is...that's odd.

Now on to Mataya. Mataya's trial...Denny rule. What a surprise. As mentioned, the victim's items were said to be in the trunk of a cop's car. Seperate from the body as well, just like Fencl, just like Avery. As we have all suspected, Barb and Scott (and the boys) may have been asked..or even pressured to testify against Avery. In Mataya's case, their main witness was a guy who was asking for pending charges to be dropped to tell police what he knew about Mataya, saying that he attacked and killed the girl. Bit her (that's a weird detail to put in)...that he bleached his jeans, and cleaned his car. In Avery's case, we have cops looking for bleached jeans, after cleaning an area of the garage. Odd, huh?

Mataya had a witness who said he was in jail with the witness against Mataya and says Mataya confessed to him that he was lying to police just to get charges dropped. Of course, Mataya still sits in prison, so the police must pick and choose which convict shared information is valid (re: torture chamber.."avery said he did it" statement from inmate)..

All this said, I think we have a working schematic of the system in Manitowoc.

3 cases, 3 men claiming innocence. 3 cases of bodies found but seperate from their personal items. lots of characteristics that seem to mirror each other.

So I have to ask this...if "Steven Avery has too many coincidences to be innocent"...wouldn't you say that Manitowoc's efforts to solve crimes with what seems like unsavory practices (attorneys turning on clients, dropping charges for witnesses, shady details of cleanups) are a bit too coincidental to overlook as well?

CONTINUED...
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magiclougieSunday, July 17, 2016
The murder Fencl was charged with was in 1977 and the murder Mataya was charged with was 1999.

[–]MrDoradus

I've never heard of Mataya or Fencl, were these similar murder case investigations to Avery's? Were they processed by MTSO or Calumet Sheriff's office also?

As to:

Wonder why they HAVE to report on what their demeanor is...that's odd.

Probably because they want to establish neutrality with the most unimportant aspect of the case. This makes sense especially if they know they're going to focus on a single suspect before the case even starts. If they reported "shady behaviour" from the start the jury could interpret that as a consequence of bias and question their further work, but if the cop says "he seemed completely normal and honest" the only explanation is that the LE officers had no ulterior motives in the investigation and are telling the truth. Which in turn means that the now murder suspect is a calculative individual capable of lying and deception. All in all, it builds up the character of the officer and possibly tears down the suspect in the process, despite appearing a pro-defense information at a quick glance. Those are just my 2 cents.

And as for your general conclusion, if there were indeed three similar cases all handled by MTSO, it's indeed a coincidence that just might not be too coincidental.

[–]Jmystery1 1 point 3 months ago

Okay not that want to add more to this but also was another body near by

If want to read more I have link to my note page on this some may not be relevant but just easier

There is another murder in Manitowoc area that may be tied to Teresa. Areerat Chuprevich

She died of a gunshot wound to the head,Hunters spotted Chuprevich's skull Nov. 26 sticking out from a shallow grave in a wooded marsh near the Brown and Manitowoc county

Remains found by hunters in rural Brown County were identified Wednesday as a 32-year-old Allouez woman who's been missing for five years.

Karl McLeod suspect

Suspect but never charged he hung himself in jail no suicide note

prime suspect in her disappearance, Karl McLeod, hanged himself in May 2006, at an Oshkosh prison where he had served the first 40 days of a 10-year sentence for beating and robbing a Green Bay woman eight days before Chuprevich disappeared.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11GjVYr9hf9UUhpJ2rE9Jfb4oHBIYTZADdEYqHdm31Bg/edit?usp=docslist_api

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4do45j/guilters_say_there_is_no_such_thing_as/
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PeteTuesday, July 19, 2016
I LOVE KZ for that quote at the top.....but that isn't swaying these cops or this system, WE have to get out and prove that Edward Edwards did this crime....how else would notes with his codes about his identity appear in this case when no one else was aware of them until 2010!!!!
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magiclougieWednesday, August 24, 2016
Here's a look at 20 of Zellner's social media posts that may provide insight into where the appeal is headed:

1. "Culprit had to remove his own DNA from key so Teresa Halbach's removed in process. Rub key on Avery's clothes for skin cells. Presto."

2. "Third visit to Waupun prison. Steven Avery thrilled about chance of new forensic tests like innocent men always are."

3. "The .22-caliber bullet recovered from Avery's garage did not exit Halbach's head. State expert failed to testify bullet exited. That bullet was driven to the scene."

4. "One thing perpetrators and evidence planters have in common is leaving signatures at the crime scene. Science always transcribes."

5. "That special Toyota RAV4 key only absorbs DNA of plaintiff (Avery) in civil rights suit against Manitowoc County not the owner's. Magic."

6. "Police reports: Only Steven Avery was a suspect, but big red flags on others. Must have to do with big green dollars."

7. "Tunnel vision clear in Teresa Halbach case. No DNA taken except from Avery family. No need to take DNA from others when it's planted."

8. "Teresa Halbach's throat was cut (leaving blood), Her head was shot (leaving blood spatter), but her RAV4 has her blood. So she was put in her vehicle and driven 20 feet to Avery's burn pit?"

10. "Framing Steven Avery twice results in real rapist and murderer never being charged. Who is being served and protected except the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department?"

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/local/steven-avery/2016/08/24/zellner-under-microscope-free-avery/89208832/
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magiclougieWednesday, August 24, 2016
11. "How long will the witnesses who lied at the trial be protected by those who know the truth?"

12. "Fact: One person actually gave cops a fake name to access the Avery Salvage Yard property to help in the Teresa Halbach search."

13. "Must prove Steven Avery actually innocent without any doubt. Must be airtight and it will be."

14. "Easy part: planting evidence. Hard part: avoiding detection 10-plus years later."

15. "Tips are great but don't quit your day jobs because scientists are going to solve this. Everyday Steven Avery moves closer to freedom."

16. "Sixth trip to Waupun. Steven Avery to undergo the most advanced scientific testing in the world to show his innocence."

17. "All day retracing Teresa Halbach's steps. No doubt she left Avery property alive. All roads lead to one door and it's not Steven Avery's."

18. "So it's clear, we are examining the prosecutions violations first, not the defense attorneys (Dean Stang and Jerry Buting) performance."

19. "Planted evidence in Steven Avery's trailer, burn pit, burn barrel, garage and in nephew Brendan Dassey's head. Science will make it right and convict the guilty."

20. "Brendan's opinion — federal magistrate William Duffin's ruling overturning Dassey's conviction — shows the cops made up the crime story. Steven's will show cops made up crime scene evidence."

John Ferak of USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin: 920-993-7115 or jferak@gannett.com; on Twitter @johnferak. Tom Kertscher of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel contributed to this report.
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magiclougieSunday, August 28, 2016
[–]MamaTried1981

My favorite was when she said the DNA testing they've already done is enough to exonerate Steven, but they're going "all the way."

[–]WilliamPz

Damn right, all the way to the true killer and to all the corrupt officials.

[–]fogdaze

I can't beat that one. I was born and raised in Manitowoc County, but left over 30 years ago because things are different there and not for the better. Such as criminal justice for example.

[–]Snoedog

Oh....and the coroner found out about it on TV. Whaaaaat!

[–]fancyfembot

This is so insane. People think that those of us who are (a little) obsessed with case were emotionally manipulated by the documentary. No, it's insanity like not letting the coroner on the scene that outrages us.

[–]solunaView 3 points 13 hours ago

The point is the Coroner is required to be notified by state statute. There is no gray area there. This is LE and the County Supervisor here making calls that break the law.

This is one of my biggest complaints with Strang and Buting. The bones and fire pit were the most incriminating evidence, yet the most egregiously investigated and documented. You had Manitowoc violating state law to exclude the Coroner. Anything found after that should have been inadmissible.

[–]kicktoe

Strang and Buting would have been denied by that biased judge Willis anyways. It didn't matter what arguments they brought up..He was gonna rule for the prosecution

[–]sophiegirl14

Yep Judge Willis was very biased no doubt.

[–]MickeyPx81

Lets not forget that Strang and Buting did a good enough job that initially, IIRC, 7 jurors leaned not guilty. And somehow all were swayed to Guilty.

[–]solunaView

How were they swayed? You seem to have information. Were there outside influences on the jury? Were there jurors that were seated but had no business being there because of conflict of interest or bias?

Please share, friend. :)

[–]MickeyPx81

IIRC, 2 of the jurors were connected to the Police Department. And go listen to the juror who left during deliberations.

[–]eyesclosing

No time to call a coroner but time to make 22calls to RH!

[–]Boogedy_Man

On the rich versus poor bit...

I wouldn't consider myself poor, but it would be rather tough for me to come up with a $400,000 defense team.

[–]solunaView 1 point 11 hours ago

Agreed but that $400,000 was a settlement from the state/ county fucking him of 18 years of his life. He spent everything he gained to try and combat what they were doing. That fact never gets talked about.

[–]wineverybattle

S and B and to spend half that 400K defending Steven from the lawsuit Theresa's brother Tim filed. He wanted it all, but they won. Otherwise Steven would have been left with a DA. That's what everyone wanted.

They only had about 200K to do the whole thing. I think they mentioned once they aren't sure they even earned minimum wage if figured by the hour.

200K is a lot to me and to most people, but not when you need to hire lawyers in a case like this. If there has ever been a case like this. :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/4zwn1s/kz_quote_of_day_to_me/
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A crucial aspect of Zellner’s effort to overturn Ryan Ferguson's conviction was obtaining two recantations from key witnesses whose testimony placed Ferguson at the crime scene. They admitted to lying after being pressured by police and prosecutors. Zellner has become a standard bearer among civil rights attorneys and has long been known as a fierce courtroom advocate — armed with a recorder-like memory, trial techniques that include videotaped re-enactments of crime scenes and, perhaps most crucially for her clients, an ability to elicit the truth from co-defendants or witnesses who have previously lied about innocent defendants’ involvement in crimes in order to save themselves. Quite simply, she gets people to talk. And to tell the truth. - Chicago Lawyer Magazine, December 2014

“What drives me is the abuse of power—the bullying and the victim. I have such a strong reaction when I see people who can’t defend themselves... When I watched the Avery case, I felt that the attitude toward him by the prosecutors and the state was that he was disposable. It was almost like a class thing. [His family] didn’t matter, they had no power. The longer I watched it, the more angry I got.” - Kathleen Zellner, Newsweek, April 8, 2016

“We are continuing to examine every aspect of Mr. Avery’s case and all of his legal options. We are confident Mr. Avery’s conviction will be vacated when we present the new evidence and results of our work to the appropriate court.” - Kathleen Zellner, The Wrap, January 11, 2016

“There is evidence that already exists in the case that points to a different location and a different suspect. We've got a combination of forensic evidence and a tip from somebody that we've interviewed multiple times that we think is credible... I've never seen a more graphic, compelling illustration of a crime scene that was fabricated.” - Kathleen Zellner, The New York Times, August 18, 2016

During a press conference on August 26, 2016, Kathleen Zeller said: “[In the post-conviction petition] we're going to lay out all of our investigation that we have done that will point to a third party. That was not successfully done at the trial level. I think the most reassuring thing is that we are going to get to the bottom of who killed Teresa Halbach... we're not going to disclose that until we do the post-conviction petition. But I can tell you that the testing we've already done will establish Mr. Avery's innocence. But we are going to do the whole thing; we're going to do every conceivable test. We've been contacted by scientists all over the world, volunteering, offering us ideas. And now we've got it pinned down to the testing we need to do to determine once and for all: was the evidence in the vehicle planted, was the DNA on the bullet planted, was the car key planted, was the DNA on the car key planted? We're going to be able to answer all of those questions because it's been almost 10 years since the verdict and there have been really huge developments in forensic science... Because he [Avery] never made any incriminating statements. The [Dassey] confession has been invalidated. So you're down to the evidence at the crime scene. You're down to the key, the hood latch, the blood in the RAV and the bullet.” When asked, “Do you just have one suspect in mind or are you looking at multiple suspects?,” Zellner replied, “In fairness, yeah, we are looking at multiple people, but we are narrowing it down.” And when asked, “What can you tell us about the suspect?,” she answered: “Nothing. Nothing. Not until I file [the post-conviction petition].”

“Not 1 but 8 plants: bullets, bones, blood, camera, cellphone PDA, key, car + false confession. World's best experts on it. #MakingAMurderer” - Kathleen Zellner, Twitter, January 17, 2017

“There’s always an element of misconduct. Police, prosecutors—They’re actually able to sleep at night knowing they’ve convicted an innocent man. They rationalize it. They say ‘I didn’t convict him, the jury did!’” - Paul Henderson, Private Investigator, May 7, 2013

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“I think people become jaded when they spend too much time as a prosecutor, or if they first come to be a prosecutor after being a victim of some kind. They start seeing all of the accused as a subclass of humanity that doesn't deserve due process. Then they start watching Nancy Grace, and hanging around with the like minded, until their journey is complete. Unfortunately it is within human nature to descend down these paths to prejudice, to form self congratulating, witch burning mobs, and to rationalize the injustices they cause by dehumanizing their victims.” - magilla39, Reddit, October 11, 2017

"She’s not intimidated by anybody. In particular, she doesn’t have much respect for authority. She has a willingness to challenge and be skeptical of authority. And she has a real compassion for the underdog. Most of the people in prison are dangerous, violent criminals who belong there—she knows that. She’s not starry-eyed about criminals. But she’s not starry-eyed about people in authority, either." - Robert Zellner, January 2018

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