The men in Teresa Marie Halbach's life in 2005: Ryan Hillegas, Chris McKenna, Bradley Czech, Scott Bloedorn and Wesley Bunnell (photos circa 2015).
And then there is Ken.
Ran across something today and can't shake it....
by localtruther, TickTockManitowoc
November 1, 2019
Where to even begin?! here goes....
This has to do with a chance meetings via myspace and many other variables that I am very hesitant to disclose but will anyway in an effort for this to make sense.
1st things first. Have you ever just had one of those gut feelings that just will not go away? Do you believe in things happening for a reason? Do you believe that there is no such thing as luck or chance? Have you ever thought that YOU just might be the one that holds the key to something?
Timeframe (late 1990's) I was asked to become a member of the Manitowoc County Deputies and Constables Association. As a member of this organization we attended meetings and some of us joined another interior organization to this one where you were sworn and eventually after training etc became what was known as the 'Possy'. Didn't really do much other than guard the water at local events but it was cool being asked and we were able to carry way before that became law.
During this tenure (until 2007 when Hermann took over) I can count on one hand how many of these events we actually helped with.
One evening however I got a call about midnight by another Possy member to relieve him on the corner out near Avery's (about 2 miles away I am not going to disclose which one sorry) The only instruction I was given was NO ONE comes in or out of this intersection. This was Nov 7th if my recollection serves me. This 6 hour shift went on without issue.
During this roughly 8 or so years I obviously got to know most of the players in this debacle.
In 2005 my divorce began - no relation to this - but suffice to say in mid 2007 it was finally over.
This is when I put myself out there via myspace (LOL I know) and within a short period of time I had met this younger lady whom I chatted with often and eventually met up with.
What is funny is that we both used our middle names as introduction while chatting and didn't realize each others REAL names until we actually met in person.
The courtship was very brief as she had a SEVERE drinking and maybe even drug problem she was in her late 20's, I was in my late thirties and this lifestyle so to speak didn't fit me at all. Our first date was me meeting her at her house where she was living after her estranged husband moved out. This was on Kuss Road.
Being that I live in Manitowoc County and have for a LONG time when this case started in 2005 I can tell you that most people including myself felt Avery was guilty story over. Many of us also thought something was just off about this whole case on how quickly this happened and how lock stock and barrel they had Avery. It was just too convenient with the court case and all.....that's all I can really say about that. We had our doubts but it just sort of went away.
So now MAM happens! Kuss Road eventually came to light when all of us starting sorting through the CASO and MCSO files and realized without any doubt at all SOMETHING went down there.
Most recently I saw post where there is a fucking blanket under a tree covering something right across the street from where I met this woman for the first time.
I posted about this in a very obscure fashion a couple years ago that the person I met had the same last name as a DCI agent. Did some digging and her ex husband and this DCI agent might actually be brothers. For sure related. The ex husband as well as this woman I met both had Military Police background and he to this day is still practicing security. They have both went on to marry others, he married a Manitowoc Police officer and she a Fire and safety expert! WTF!!!!
This couple and TH were all about the same age and I can attest most likely the same type of lifestyle. Could they have met at some point and some photography was setup? TH was clearly able to carry on with married men without issue so was she perhaps into a scene that was hidden from us for a reason? Did she maybe have an affair (this couples divorce started in mid 2006 from what I can remember. So during this affair and later murder investigation ultimately tear them apart? I know how fucked up she was with the drinking and so forth.....I just don't know....! Scary as it is I might have briefly dated a murderer!
What if TH and JKS (I will not disclose any more than initials) had an affair and she (BAS) got jealous and maybe had TH come over for some more porn photos? things heated up and in the heat of the moment a tire iron to the head and the rest is history! Could her husband have reached out to his DCI agent family member as to what to do? They have a dead woman across the street shallow grave maybe. I never believed the bones were hers anyway so maybe she never was burned and this is just a rouse to keep us off track? Did they recover a body and quietly gave to the Halbachs for a private burial?
Today I am on the GZ blog site and ran across my Reddit post referenced there (didn't even know it was there) and I see this photo of an email taken off TH's computer (an email from about a month before TH disappeared):
That would be her estranged husband's middle name (Ken)! Sound familiar? I don't think this habit is all that uncommon at all. We did it and it appears if my hunch is right so did they!
I just don't know anymore......I can't get on the BoD ST thing. With how small this area actually is and people pretty much knowing everyone its entirely possible that RH's involvement is ONLY as a friend to maybe this couple as well as the couples family member!
Sorry for the long repetitive post but I just can't shake this.....
More oddities to consider.....
HE is a big cowboyish kind of guy now. I didn't get that from the timeframe in the 2005 era.....Didn't TH dress as a Cowgirl? He married a Manitowoc City Police officer. OR she became one after the fact not 100% sure.
SHE married a Fire EXPERT! WTF??!!!
NEITHER of them have much of a social profile at ALL and have 100% disassociated themselves from the DCI agents last name.....far as I am concerned this might be the most damning thing there is!
Am I crazy to think this way?
JKS = Joshua Kenneth Sasse (image above)
BAS = Brenda Ann Sasse
[–]whiteycnbr
The email leads me to believe they had a thing, repeated 'i miss you'.
Was she doing porno shoots for them? It links her to Kuss Rd.
[–]localtruther[S]
Careful....it might lead her to Kuss rd. Even if this email isnt from the right person....the way things always work for me is I notice shit like this all the time. This email indicates TH most CERTAINLY had a second darker life. We saw almost nothing from her computer and phone. Maybe the real correspondence hasn't been seen, but is known.
[–]rickardsvil
I went back and double checked the audiobook. This email is used in the second chapter of John Ferak's Wrecking Crew. He almost definitely tried to identify the author of this email. Maybe you could reach out to him. He's on Twitter.
[–]kent3334
Question. Did the guy that told LE a girl (he believed was TH) came to his door looking for help, live on Kuss Rd.?
[–]localtruther[S]
Right across the street (see image above)!
On 11/5/2005, a resident named Leo Richmond, who lives at 4201 Kuss Road, called in a tip to CASO about Teresa Halbach knocking on his door the night before (11:30 PM on Friday, 11/4). Leo said that Teresa was looking for a home in his area. Wiegert dismissed the tip and said he would call back later; however, there isn't a follow-up report in the CASO file.
Directly across the street from Leo's home at 4201 Kuss Road, and off the road a bit, is 4130 Kuss Road. At the time of Teresa's disappearance, the home was owned and occupied by a young couple, Joshua and Brenda Sasse. One of the DCI investigators on the case (DCI Appleton field office), Michael C Sasse (CASO page 518), is a close relative to Joshua Sasse.
[–]localtruther[S]
Hundred thousand reasons! Seriously when I saw that email and the name signed....I was like fuck....what if I AM the missing piece? Like I stated above...at my age shit like happens and only with past experience NOT taken and you would have been the winner, do you realize how seemingly innocent unrelated life experience just happens!
[–]axollot
Whole point of the award is to have people consider connections and motivation to explain em.
Yours might be the one. It may not...but it has a truth to it hard to shake.
You'll never know for certain till you unravel that thread!
[–]Tris-Von-Q
I don't think you are crazy at all. With how little we actually know about Theresa's private life--anything is possible. And I too can't get on board with BoD and ST as the perps wagon either. I think they were involved in sending SA away for good out of jealousy but not Theresa's murder. I'm just not feeling it.
This however is highly suspect. I hope you are able to work with it more. There's got to be more out there with this lead.
Have you gone to KZ?
[–]localtruther[S]
Who is KZ? 🤣 kidding. No I have not
[–]Tris-Von-Q
Unfortunately I wouldn't even know how to advise you to move forward on this hunch. I wouldn't know where to start digging. Just be careful when digging in gardens of the county in which you live. SA's tale is a warning--was always meant to be a warning--to any local dissenters.
[–]localtruther[S]
You are correct! Point taken.
[–]Tris-Von-Q
To be honest, I find that email unsettling. The casual discussion of a gift of porn? It's just...weird to me.
WTF was this chick into?
[–]rickardsvil
Contacting KZ was the first thing that came to my mind as well. This could be nothing, but it also could be the one thing that finally brings some light to what happened to TH. Best of luck to you.
[–]SBRH33
From what I know now this post is important.
[–]PetrichorGirl
This Possy assignment when you were asked to relieve someone and guard an intersection near Avery’s... are you saying that was on/around Nov 7th 2005?
[–]localtruther[S]
That's what I am saying
[–]PetrichorGirl
Thanks. So that was after TH’s car had been found at Avery’s and there were cops everywhere. Was it MTSO instructing you?
[–]localtruther[S]
Dont know....all I knew is another member called me to relieve him....far as I know he made that call.
[–]reader_wny
I remember your post, glad you add this information. I think TH sent nude pictures of herself to him, to me it sounds like they were involved sexually. Her sending him messages on this beeper/pager, he misses her, she takes good care of him, definitely sounds like they were involved. The fact she shut her phone off about the time she came to Kuss Rd turnoff. This could explain the H family's odd behavior. I think you may have the 100k solution. Excellent post! Were there goodies in the form of "Pot Brownies"?
[–]MnAtty
I've always felt Teresa's family was being manipulated, based on some fear they had about her reputation. There was just too much touting of what a "good girl" she was. Coached volleyball. Um, who cares?
So it has always been the prosecution's over-emphasis on Teresa's reputation, that has concerned me. It's as though the prosecutors are heralding their role as her protectors. "We'll defend your daughter against the terrible rumors." There's almost a veiled threat of how ugly it could get without their protection.
FURTHER COMMENT: To make the point more clear, I've wondered why there was no celebration of who Teresa was as an artist. I've read references to how gifted she was as a photographer. So where is the memorial exhibit? It's almost as though this was a topic of shame, rather than pride.
Instead, they emphasized a minor activity, volunteering a few afternoons a week, during volleyball season. It feels like they focused on it because it was a generally wholesome topic. But it seems almost impersonal. It had little to do with her actual life.
[–]s_wardy_s[S]
You're right about the photography. She graduated with honours as top of the class, and we've never seen a frigging picture she took other than a few average shots of cars for AutoTrader that quite frankly, anyone could have taken. Where is the celebration of her art?
There were multiple sightings of Teresa after 10/31/05 (sightings 11/1/05-11/8/05):
Two people from Sheboygan call CASO dispatch. The first caller at 6:30 p.m. on 11/5 says she saw Teresa with a black man following her into Sheboygan Walmart. The second caller at midnight says he saw Teresa at a Sheboygan Taco Bell, in a white van, with a black man next to her in the van.
Ryan may have seen Teresa on and after October 31st because he had her day planner page that should have been in her RAV4 (he turned it over to detectives on November 3rd).
Then there's the fact that everyone seemed to have advanced knowledge of her death (Mike Halbach deleted some of Teresa's voicemail messages on November 2nd, before she was reported missing, and her missing persons poster was created on November 2nd). The Halbach family appointed Mike Halbach to be spokesperson. Therefore, anything he says is coming from the family. If not, they would categorically deny he speak for them. Thus, Mike is the Halbach family. They are smart and not saying anything. Why? Because they are in this deeper than people realize.
CASO Investigative Report, Page 518
TYPE OF ACTIVITY: Interview of Bobby Dassey
DATE OF ACTIVITY: 02/27/06
REPORTING OFFICER: Inv. John Dedering
On Monday, 02/27/06 at 1126 hrs., various members of the WISCONSIN DEPT. OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION and the CALUMET CO. SHERIFF's DEPT. did meet at MISHICOT FIRE DEPT. The purpose of our meeting was to view a videotaped interview done by Special Agent TOM FASSBENDER and Inv. MARK WIEGERT on a subject named BRENDAN R. DASSEY on 02/27/06. According to information I had obtained from WIEGERT, DASSEY had made some statements with regard to STEVEN AVERY's disposal of TERESA HALBACH, as well as who was responsible for her death. While waiting for other members of the interview team to arrive, I did assist Inv. BALDWN with an interview of BARBARA JANDA. For details of this, please see the report of Inv. BALDWIN.
Special Agent MICHAEL SASSE and I did locate BOBBY DASSEY at the residence of DUANE OSMUNSON, 5017 Nuclear Rd. in the Mishicot area at 1955 hrs. SASSE and I asked BOBBY DASSEY if he had some time to speak with us and he indicated that he did. We then went out to the county vehicle, which I was operating, and BOBBY DASSEY did have a seat in the front passenger side and Special Agent SASSE climbed into the rear passenger side. Prior to asking DASSEY any questions, he was advised that he was not under arrest, did not have to answer questions if he chose not to and was free to leave at anytime he so wished. I asked him to open the passenger front door of the vehicle in order to demonstrate to him that he was perfectly free to leave. He understood this and agreed to answer questions.
We went over his activities to the best of his recollection on Monday, 10/31/05. He stated that he arrived home from work at approximately 0630 hrs (It should be noted that DASSEY was employed at FISHER HAMILTON in Two Rivers at this time) and went to bed. He stated that he got up between 1400 and 1430 hrs., got into the shower and went bow hunting. He stated he arrived home somewhere approximately 1730 hrs. and that it was dark out already. He stated he did not recall who was home when he arrived, but thought perhaps BRENDAN was. He stated that when he arrived home, he went straight to bed and did not eat. He stated he got up at approximately 2100 hrs., got ready for work and once again did not eat. He stated that to the best of his recollection, BLAINE was home and possibly BRENDAN as well. He stated that his other brother BRYAN was not at home and was possibly at his girlfriend's residence.
BOBBY indicated that when he was leaving for work at approximately 2130 hrs., he noticed that STEVEN was having a bonfire. He estimated that the flames were five to six feet in height. He stated that it was a good-sized fire and that STEVEN has had fires there in the past. He stated that he could not say for sure that STEVEN was tending to the fire and he was further unsure whether BRENDAN was there or not. He stated that the view from his residence to the fire pit is somewhat blocked by the garage of STEVEN AVERY. He stated that he worked from 2200 hrs. until 0600 hrs. the following day and when he arrived home, he noticed nothing unusual and that the fire was out.
I asked BOBBY if his brother, BRENDAN, was one to lie about things and he stated that BRENDAN would possibly lie about little things. I asked him if BRENDAN would lie about anything concerning the HALBACH murder investigation, and he stated that he would not lie about this. I asked BOBBY if he has noticed any changes in BRENDAN and his response was "not really." When I asked him if BRENDAN has been depressed recently, he stated that he was a little depressed. BOBBY indicated that BRENDAN has not discussed anything regarding what he may have seen in the fire pit on 10/31/05 or what STEVEN may have told BRENDAN. BOBBY indicated that his brother, BRENDAN, likes to play basketball games and racing games on their Playstation 2. He states that he does not play with others, but prefers to compete by himself on the machine.
I asked BOBBY if he could recall once again what he saw regarding TERESA HALBACH and her vehicle. He stated that while he was preparing to go bow hunting on 10/31/05, he observed TERESA's vehicle pull in and he observed TERESA get out and take one or two photos of the maroon van, which his mother had for sale. BOBBY said that this was prior to him getting into the shower. He stated that when he got out of the shower (approximately ten minutes later) he brought his bow out to the vehicle and TERESA's vehicle was still there but he did not see her. He stated that she was wearing a black coat, black trousers and he cannot recall what color her top was. DASSEY drew me a diagram indicating that the HALBACH vehicle was pointed in a westerly direction almost directly across from the westernmost portion of the BARBARA JANDA circular driveway. BOBBY stated that the vehicle was gone when he got back from hunting.
I asked BOBBY about the position of the Suzuki Samurai. BOBBY thought that to his best recollection, the Suzuki was in the garage for a while, and he was unsure when STEVEN moved it out of the garage. He stated that he was never in the garage when the Suzuki was parked in the garage and he stated that he could no longer independently recall where the Suzuki was positioned when he left for hunting.
I asked BOBBY DASSEY who his brother, BRENDAN, might confide in and he indicated the only person he could think of was BRENDAN's friend, TRAVIS FABIAN, whose father, ROBERT FABIAN, is a friend of EARL AVERY.
I asked BOBBY if he could recall the burn barrel in front of STEVEN's residence burning when he left for hunting, and he stated he could not independently recall this. Agent SASSE asked BOBBY DASSEY if he could ever recall STEVEN AVERY shooting a .22 at the burn barrel or anything else in the immediate vicinity of STEVEN AVERY's residence. BOBBY indicated he could not recall anything like this except for one occasion. SASSE asked DASSEY if he could recall STEVEN AVERY in possession of a buck knife or a leatherman and BOBBY DASSEY could not recall that.
BOBBY DASSEY indicated that he doesn't recall BRENDAN or STEVEN acting any differently after the October 31st. incident. He further indicated he could not recall any sort of injury to STEVEN's arms or hands on October 31st.
Investigation continues.
A poster wrote the following on the MaM subreddit two years ago:
At Avery's trial, in 2007, RyanH testified that he remembered Teresa was sitting at her computer when they last talked, but he couldn't say whether it was morning, afternoon, or night. RyanH testified that his last conversation with Teresa was "about the cowgirl outfit she planned to wear on Halloween night."
A year earlier, in 2006, RyanH told a reporter from Milwaukee Magazine that the last time he saw Teresa she was dressed as a cowgirl.
Were there Halloween parties on both 10/29 and 10/31? Did Aubrey Wygralak see Teresa on 10/31 at a Halloween party, where she was dressed as a cowgirl, or was it 10/29, or was it both? Did the Herald Times Reporter misreport the day as 10/21 and it actually was 10/31 when Aubrey last saw Teresa, dressed as a cowgirl for Halloween?
In Mike Halbach's testimony (page 188) he says Teresa helped him on his first wedding video job on 10/29.
MikeH said the 10/29 wedding was a friend's wedding.
MikeH testified that the wedding was in the "early evening" of 10/29, and that Teresa would have attended the Halloween party "later on in the night."
Did Teresa Halbach bump into Chris McKenna at the 10/29 wedding (the teacher and girls track coach who moved from Wisconsin to Arizona around 2008, and who currently is incarcerated in Arizona for having a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old student).
Did Teresa (Hilbert High School class of 1998) bump into ChrisM (Hilbert High School class of 1996) at the 10/29 wedding, and did this result in her late night calls to him on 10/29?
There was a rumor about a rumble over Teresa at a Halloween party, which Aubrey Wyralak attended (she is Teresa's friend and the sister-in-law of Alex Quadrini, who called Teresa at 12:31 PM on 11/1 and left a message "regarding a family picture").
The rumor started with a comment from Linda at Daniel Luke's website, overthrow.us, which he has since taken down, but I saved part of the comment before the website went offline:
RyanS started calling Teresa in August 2005, maybe to confirm details of a family wedding for Teresa to photograph and for Mike to videotape on 10/29 (not RyanS's wedding -- he got married in January 2001 -- but another family member -- Ryan's wife was from Sheybogan, where Teresa may have spent the morning and early afternoon of 10/31).
The calls between RyanS and Teresa were:
8/17 Teresa calls RyanS (15:06)
8/31 Teresa calls RyanS (:35)
9/1 Teresa calls RyanS (:46)
10/7 RyanS called Teresa (:49)
10/7 Teresa returned RyanS's call (:21)
10/10 RyanS calls Teresa (:46)
10/10 Teresa returns RyanS's call (8:40)
10/25 Teresa calls RyanS (1:45)
10/27 Teresa calls RyanS (:40)
RyanS's family owns and runs a farm in Hilbert, just like the Halbach family.
One of TimH's law partners is TroyS, who is RyanS's brother.
RyanS (who Teresa talked to about 10 times in the three months leading up to the wedding) and ChrisM were in the same class at Hilbert High School (class of 1996). Tim Halbach also may have been in HHS class of 1996.
TimH was/is facebook friends with ChrisM's brother Matthew, who is two years older than ChrisM, RyanS and TimH.
Teresa and RyanH (class of 1998) went to Hilbert High School with ChrisM and RyanS, although ChrisM and RyanS (class of 1996) were two years ahead of them. Teresa, RyanH and ChrisM were student athletes.
RyanH and ChrisM also went to the same college (University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh) and attended a few of the same years.
So there are connections between the Halbach family and the families of ChrisM and RyanS, and there are connections between RyanH and ChrisM.
RyanS, ChrisM, and TimH (and others from HHS) very well could have been guests at the wedding on 10/29, the wedding of a friend that Teresa photographed and MikeH videotaped.
Around 9:30 PM on 10/29, Teresa called her brother Tim, maybe to ask him for ChrisM's number.
Teresa called ChrisM twice on 10/29, just before midnight, per the Cingular report entered into evidence.
Did something happen at the wedding or Halloween party on 10/29 that created tension between Teresa and RyanH?
Was RyanH at the wedding on 10/29 or did he hear about it from others?
Was RyanH at the Halloween party on 10/29 or did he hear about it from others?
The following are RyanH's phone calls on 10/29 (he was up late the night before, Friday 10/28, and was making calls into the early morning hours of Saturday 10/29):
10/29 1:53 AM, Appleton, 2199, duration 1-2 minutes
10/29 3:18 AM, Oshkosh, 0386, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 3:21 AM, Fond Du Lac, 4189, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 11:38 AM, Oshkosh, 0386, duration 1-2 minutes
10/29 11:42 AM, Appleton, 9125, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 11:47 AM, Incoming, 0386, duration 1-2 minutes
10/29 12:07 PM, Appleton, 2199, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 12:08 PM, Stevens Pt, 6760, duration 11-12 minutes
10/29 1:32 PM, Appleton, 2199, duration 4-5 minutes
10/29 1:37 PM, Appleton, Sister or Brother-in-law, duration 4-5 minutes
10/29 2:39 PM, Incoming, ScottB, duration 6-7 minutes
10/29 2:54 PM, Incoming, 2632, duration 4-5 minutes
10/29 4:54 PM, Oshkosh, 0386, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 4:55 PM, Oshkosh, 0386, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 4:56 PM, Incoming, 0386, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 5:12 PM, Incoming, 2199, duration 2-3 minutes
10/29 6:44 PM, Appleton, 2199, duration 1-2 minutes
10/29 8:10 PM, Appleton, 2199, duation 2-3 minutes
10/29 8:24 PM, Appleton, 2199, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 8:25 PM, Incoming, 2199, duration 1-2 minutes
10/29 11:48 PM, Appleton, Sister or Brother-in-law, duration 1-2 minutes
The next day, the last day RyanH claims to have seen Teresa, he had very little phone activity:
10/30 1:26 PM, ScottB, duration less than 1 minute
10/30 1:35 PM, Incoming, ScottB, duration 1-2 minutes
10/30 3:30 PM, Kaukauna, 6810, duration less than 1 minute
Teresa's roommate and RyanH's good friend, Scott Bloedorn (Scott also went to HHS, class of 1998, where he too was a student athlete), told Wiegert that the "last time he talked to Teresa was around 2 PM on Sunday 10/30."
The 911 call placed by Karen Halbach at 2:52 PM on November 3, 2005, was requested in March 2018 by FOIA. Click here for the audio and transcript. Karen told the dispatcher that Teresa's roommate Scott Bloedorn saw Teresa at home on Monday, October 31, 2005. Therefore, either Scott lied or Wiegert's report was falsified.
Did RyanH find out that Teresa had hooked up with ChrisM over the weekend (Teresa called ChrisM twice just before midnight on 10/29)?
Could ChrisM be the "new guy" that Teresa met over the weekend, a possibility that ScottB mentioned to Wiegert?
[–]whiteycnbr
The email leads me to believe they had a thing, repeated 'i miss you'.
Was she doing porno shoots for them? It links her to Kuss Rd.
[–]localtruther[S]
Careful....it might lead her to Kuss rd. Even if this email isnt from the right person....the way things always work for me is I notice shit like this all the time. This email indicates TH most CERTAINLY had a second darker life. We saw almost nothing from her computer and phone. Maybe the real correspondence hasn't been seen, but is known.
[–]rickardsvil
I went back and double checked the audiobook. This email is used in the second chapter of John Ferak's Wrecking Crew. He almost definitely tried to identify the author of this email. Maybe you could reach out to him. He's on Twitter.
[–]idunno_why
"Dedering talked to Kenneth on the phone on 10/12. Kenneth knew Teresa since High School. They were close in college. He lived with her for 6 months after the Peace Corps in February 2005. Teresa never mentioned an abusive relationship to him. He said they were very close but not romantically involved. He met RYAN HILLEGAS 3 or 4 times and thought he was 'fine'. He said Ryan was one of her earliest boyfriends. Kenneth said Teresa never said anything negative about Ryan. Kenneth didn’t know about Teresa’s key or if she had a remote to open the doors. He doesn’t recall any damage to the RAV4."
Link to source:
https://m.facebook.com/notes/steven-avery-project/calumet-county-sheriffs-department-2017-2018-follow-up-investigation-regarding-t/662758690749760/
I believe he was also on the witness list for the trial.
[–]defmagic
HEADER: https://imgur.com/ZBJbKcW
EMAIL: https://imgur.com/KjhM0qn
It appears there were 3 pages out of order. The bottom of the page BEFORE that email lists "KENNETH HOWEN".
[–]WhoooIsReading
Kenneth didn’t know about Teresa’s key or if she had a remote to open the doors. He doesn’t recall any damage to the RAV4.
So the award winning investigators waited until 2017 to ask a friend about Ryan's bogus claim of damage to the RAV4?
[–]defmagic[S]
AFTER MaM part 1....
[–]WhoooIsReading
That's one thing MAM didn't leave out.
Too bad it took 12 years for LE to ask one of the many questions they failed to ask in 2005.
Now Ken Kratz can add this fact to his book....
[–]kookaburrakook
Do you know where they lived in that 6 months ?
[–]idunno_why
In the same house she lived in when she disappeared. He would have been living there until about July 2005 if he moved in after leaving the peace corps in February and stayed for 6 months.
[–]kent3334
Question. Did the guy that told LE a girl (he believed was TH) came to his door looking for help, live on Kuss Rd.?
[–]localtruther[S]
Right across the street (see image above)!
On 11/5/2005, a resident named Leo Richmond, who lives at 4201 Kuss Road, called in a tip to CASO about Teresa Halbach knocking on his door the night before (11:30 PM on Friday, 11/4). Leo said that Teresa was looking for a home in his area. Wiegert dismissed the tip and said he would call back later; however, there isn't a follow-up report in the CASO file.
Directly across the street from Leo's home at 4201 Kuss Road, and off the road a bit, is 4130 Kuss Road. At the time of Teresa's disappearance, the home was owned and occupied by a young couple, Joshua and Brenda Sasse. One of the DCI investigators on the case (DCI Appleton field office), Michael C Sasse (CASO page 518), is a close relative to Joshua Sasse.
[–]localtruther[S]
Hundred thousand reasons! Seriously when I saw that email and the name signed....I was like fuck....what if I AM the missing piece? Like I stated above...at my age shit like happens and only with past experience NOT taken and you would have been the winner, do you realize how seemingly innocent unrelated life experience just happens!
[–]axollot
Whole point of the award is to have people consider connections and motivation to explain em.
Yours might be the one. It may not...but it has a truth to it hard to shake.
You'll never know for certain till you unravel that thread!
[–]Tris-Von-Q
I don't think you are crazy at all. With how little we actually know about Theresa's private life--anything is possible. And I too can't get on board with BoD and ST as the perps wagon either. I think they were involved in sending SA away for good out of jealousy but not Theresa's murder. I'm just not feeling it.
This however is highly suspect. I hope you are able to work with it more. There's got to be more out there with this lead.
Have you gone to KZ?
[–]localtruther[S]
Who is KZ? 🤣 kidding. No I have not
[–]Tris-Von-Q
Unfortunately I wouldn't even know how to advise you to move forward on this hunch. I wouldn't know where to start digging. Just be careful when digging in gardens of the county in which you live. SA's tale is a warning--was always meant to be a warning--to any local dissenters.
[–]localtruther[S]
You are correct! Point taken.
[–]Tris-Von-Q
To be honest, I find that email unsettling. The casual discussion of a gift of porn? It's just...weird to me.
WTF was this chick into?
[–]rickardsvil
Contacting KZ was the first thing that came to my mind as well. This could be nothing, but it also could be the one thing that finally brings some light to what happened to TH. Best of luck to you.
[–]SBRH33
From what I know now this post is important.
[–]PetrichorGirl
This Possy assignment when you were asked to relieve someone and guard an intersection near Avery’s... are you saying that was on/around Nov 7th 2005?
[–]localtruther[S]
That's what I am saying
[–]PetrichorGirl
Thanks. So that was after TH’s car had been found at Avery’s and there were cops everywhere. Was it MTSO instructing you?
[–]localtruther[S]
Dont know....all I knew is another member called me to relieve him....far as I know he made that call.
[–]reader_wny
I remember your post, glad you add this information. I think TH sent nude pictures of herself to him, to me it sounds like they were involved sexually. Her sending him messages on this beeper/pager, he misses her, she takes good care of him, definitely sounds like they were involved. The fact she shut her phone off about the time she came to Kuss Rd turnoff. This could explain the H family's odd behavior. I think you may have the 100k solution. Excellent post! Were there goodies in the form of "Pot Brownies"?
[–]MnAtty
I've always felt Teresa's family was being manipulated, based on some fear they had about her reputation. There was just too much touting of what a "good girl" she was. Coached volleyball. Um, who cares?
So it has always been the prosecution's over-emphasis on Teresa's reputation, that has concerned me. It's as though the prosecutors are heralding their role as her protectors. "We'll defend your daughter against the terrible rumors." There's almost a veiled threat of how ugly it could get without their protection.
FURTHER COMMENT: To make the point more clear, I've wondered why there was no celebration of who Teresa was as an artist. I've read references to how gifted she was as a photographer. So where is the memorial exhibit? It's almost as though this was a topic of shame, rather than pride.
Instead, they emphasized a minor activity, volunteering a few afternoons a week, during volleyball season. It feels like they focused on it because it was a generally wholesome topic. But it seems almost impersonal. It had little to do with her actual life.
[–]s_wardy_s[S]
You're right about the photography. She graduated with honours as top of the class, and we've never seen a frigging picture she took other than a few average shots of cars for AutoTrader that quite frankly, anyone could have taken. Where is the celebration of her art?
[–]PetrichorGirl
The Kuss Rd resident who rang police said she knocked on his door on 11/4. That’s after she was officially reported missing by her mother on 11/3. If it was TH looking for a party, I wonder what she had been doing for 4 days since 10/31?
There were multiple sightings of Teresa after 10/31/05 (sightings 11/1/05-11/8/05):
- Anna Knutsen of Valders says she saw Teresa taking pictures of cows on Madson Road, “literally kitty corner” to Trinity Lutheran Church at 11303 Wehausen Rd, Manitowoc, on the morning of November 1st, around 8:35 a.m.
- Barbara Linsmeyer says she saw Teresa in a white van with two men on the side of the road by the turnaround on highway 147 (around 23-minute mark in MTSO dispatch audio).
- Gary Ebert saw Teresa sitting next to a man, who was about 15 years older than her, on the ferry from Washington Island at 5 p.m. on November 4th (they didn't look like a likely couple to him, and she looked almost scared and appeared to be falling to sleep (around 29-minute mark in CASO dispatch audio).
- Leo Richmond of Kuss Road says Teresa knocked on his door at midnight on November 4th looking for a home in his area.
- A tip called in on November 7th from a teacher at Hilbert High School, who was told by a student that, when the McGlone family was distributing missing persons posters at a gas station in Sheboygan yesterday, November 6th, a person standing in line there said they had seen Teresa in Sheboygan the day before, November 5th.
- Two sightings of Teresa in Sheboygan with a black man on around midnight November 5-6th (one sighting in Walmart, another sighting in a white van at Taco Bell).
- Bill Crummel left a message on the police department's voicemail on November 8th saying he saw Teresa in a bar/restaurant (with a tree on its sign) on Lakeshore Drive and County Road Xx in Cleveland.
Two people from Sheboygan call CASO dispatch. The first caller at 6:30 p.m. on 11/5 says she saw Teresa with a black man following her into Sheboygan Walmart. The second caller at midnight says he saw Teresa at a Sheboygan Taco Bell, in a white van, with a black man next to her in the van.
Another potential witness, Barbara Linsmeyer, came forward, referencing a white van (at 16:27 and around 23-minute mark in MTSO dispatch audio). Barbara claims that she too physically witnessed Teresa. She stated that she saw Teresa on the shoulder side of the road, at the turnaround on highway 147, inside a white van/SUV with the hazard lights on. She said she could see her through the driver's side door, and was almost certain it was her. She also claims that Teresa was not alone and that there were two other occupants inside the vehicle with her (two men). Barbara contacted police and reported this information, but when she called she had only spoken with dispatch. She seemed sincere and concerned for this woman's safety, whoever it was, whether it was Teresa or not. Police never contacted her back at all.Relevant portion of CASO dispatch discussing TWO people call in tips seeing Teresa in Sheboygan on 11/5.— NotAC (@Rookie1082) August 6, 2018
Listen for yourself. Notice how they wonder if Steven had any black employees at the Salvage Yard. Tunnel vision on 11/6 much?https://t.co/A8e6yQ9WEB#MakingAMurderer
Ryan may have seen Teresa on and after October 31st because he had her day planner page that should have been in her RAV4 (he turned it over to detectives on November 3rd).
Then there's the fact that everyone seemed to have advanced knowledge of her death (Mike Halbach deleted some of Teresa's voicemail messages on November 2nd, before she was reported missing, and her missing persons poster was created on November 2nd). The Halbach family appointed Mike Halbach to be spokesperson. Therefore, anything he says is coming from the family. If not, they would categorically deny he speak for them. Thus, Mike is the Halbach family. They are smart and not saying anything. Why? Because they are in this deeper than people realize.
CASO Investigative Report, Page 518
TYPE OF ACTIVITY: Interview of Bobby Dassey
DATE OF ACTIVITY: 02/27/06
REPORTING OFFICER: Inv. John Dedering
On Monday, 02/27/06 at 1126 hrs., various members of the WISCONSIN DEPT. OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION and the CALUMET CO. SHERIFF's DEPT. did meet at MISHICOT FIRE DEPT. The purpose of our meeting was to view a videotaped interview done by Special Agent TOM FASSBENDER and Inv. MARK WIEGERT on a subject named BRENDAN R. DASSEY on 02/27/06. According to information I had obtained from WIEGERT, DASSEY had made some statements with regard to STEVEN AVERY's disposal of TERESA HALBACH, as well as who was responsible for her death. While waiting for other members of the interview team to arrive, I did assist Inv. BALDWN with an interview of BARBARA JANDA. For details of this, please see the report of Inv. BALDWIN.
Special Agent MICHAEL SASSE and I did locate BOBBY DASSEY at the residence of DUANE OSMUNSON, 5017 Nuclear Rd. in the Mishicot area at 1955 hrs. SASSE and I asked BOBBY DASSEY if he had some time to speak with us and he indicated that he did. We then went out to the county vehicle, which I was operating, and BOBBY DASSEY did have a seat in the front passenger side and Special Agent SASSE climbed into the rear passenger side. Prior to asking DASSEY any questions, he was advised that he was not under arrest, did not have to answer questions if he chose not to and was free to leave at anytime he so wished. I asked him to open the passenger front door of the vehicle in order to demonstrate to him that he was perfectly free to leave. He understood this and agreed to answer questions.
We went over his activities to the best of his recollection on Monday, 10/31/05. He stated that he arrived home from work at approximately 0630 hrs (It should be noted that DASSEY was employed at FISHER HAMILTON in Two Rivers at this time) and went to bed. He stated that he got up between 1400 and 1430 hrs., got into the shower and went bow hunting. He stated he arrived home somewhere approximately 1730 hrs. and that it was dark out already. He stated he did not recall who was home when he arrived, but thought perhaps BRENDAN was. He stated that when he arrived home, he went straight to bed and did not eat. He stated he got up at approximately 2100 hrs., got ready for work and once again did not eat. He stated that to the best of his recollection, BLAINE was home and possibly BRENDAN as well. He stated that his other brother BRYAN was not at home and was possibly at his girlfriend's residence.
BOBBY indicated that when he was leaving for work at approximately 2130 hrs., he noticed that STEVEN was having a bonfire. He estimated that the flames were five to six feet in height. He stated that it was a good-sized fire and that STEVEN has had fires there in the past. He stated that he could not say for sure that STEVEN was tending to the fire and he was further unsure whether BRENDAN was there or not. He stated that the view from his residence to the fire pit is somewhat blocked by the garage of STEVEN AVERY. He stated that he worked from 2200 hrs. until 0600 hrs. the following day and when he arrived home, he noticed nothing unusual and that the fire was out.
I asked BOBBY if his brother, BRENDAN, was one to lie about things and he stated that BRENDAN would possibly lie about little things. I asked him if BRENDAN would lie about anything concerning the HALBACH murder investigation, and he stated that he would not lie about this. I asked BOBBY if he has noticed any changes in BRENDAN and his response was "not really." When I asked him if BRENDAN has been depressed recently, he stated that he was a little depressed. BOBBY indicated that BRENDAN has not discussed anything regarding what he may have seen in the fire pit on 10/31/05 or what STEVEN may have told BRENDAN. BOBBY indicated that his brother, BRENDAN, likes to play basketball games and racing games on their Playstation 2. He states that he does not play with others, but prefers to compete by himself on the machine.
I asked BOBBY if he could recall once again what he saw regarding TERESA HALBACH and her vehicle. He stated that while he was preparing to go bow hunting on 10/31/05, he observed TERESA's vehicle pull in and he observed TERESA get out and take one or two photos of the maroon van, which his mother had for sale. BOBBY said that this was prior to him getting into the shower. He stated that when he got out of the shower (approximately ten minutes later) he brought his bow out to the vehicle and TERESA's vehicle was still there but he did not see her. He stated that she was wearing a black coat, black trousers and he cannot recall what color her top was. DASSEY drew me a diagram indicating that the HALBACH vehicle was pointed in a westerly direction almost directly across from the westernmost portion of the BARBARA JANDA circular driveway. BOBBY stated that the vehicle was gone when he got back from hunting.
I asked BOBBY about the position of the Suzuki Samurai. BOBBY thought that to his best recollection, the Suzuki was in the garage for a while, and he was unsure when STEVEN moved it out of the garage. He stated that he was never in the garage when the Suzuki was parked in the garage and he stated that he could no longer independently recall where the Suzuki was positioned when he left for hunting.
I asked BOBBY DASSEY who his brother, BRENDAN, might confide in and he indicated the only person he could think of was BRENDAN's friend, TRAVIS FABIAN, whose father, ROBERT FABIAN, is a friend of EARL AVERY.
I asked BOBBY if he could recall the burn barrel in front of STEVEN's residence burning when he left for hunting, and he stated he could not independently recall this. Agent SASSE asked BOBBY DASSEY if he could ever recall STEVEN AVERY shooting a .22 at the burn barrel or anything else in the immediate vicinity of STEVEN AVERY's residence. BOBBY indicated he could not recall anything like this except for one occasion. SASSE asked DASSEY if he could recall STEVEN AVERY in possession of a buck knife or a leatherman and BOBBY DASSEY could not recall that.
BOBBY DASSEY indicated that he doesn't recall BRENDAN or STEVEN acting any differently after the October 31st. incident. He further indicated he could not recall any sort of injury to STEVEN's arms or hands on October 31st.
Investigation continues.
A poster wrote the following on the MaM subreddit two years ago:
Most people that get murdered know their killers. It doesn't have to be dramatic to the everyday onlooker or to someone on the outside looking in -- but in the killer's mind, something just sets them off. It could be the smallest of things, the straw that breaks the camel's back, or something in and of itself, that just quickly escalates into a furious rage.The last time RyanH ever saw Teresa alive:
I am really, really bothered by the Halloween party timeline. No one is really talking much about it -- but what happened in the few days prior to her disappearance (i.e. the Halloween party or parties she attended and who saw her, etc.) is not being discussed.
I know how passions and jealousies flare up between ex-bfs and ex-gfs around Halloween when you're in your 20's, because you usually go with a date and/or dress up.
I can see someone who's been pushed to the edge of powerlessness losing their sense of identity, and much more importantly, losing their grasp on the value of the life behind the face of someone he or she is obsessed with. That face, for that fleeting moment of rage, becomes a mask that can be wiped away. When reality sets back in, blood is on their hands.
At Avery's trial, in 2007, RyanH testified that he remembered Teresa was sitting at her computer when they last talked, but he couldn't say whether it was morning, afternoon, or night. RyanH testified that his last conversation with Teresa was "about the cowgirl outfit she planned to wear on Halloween night."
A year earlier, in 2006, RyanH told a reporter from Milwaukee Magazine that the last time he saw Teresa she was dressed as a cowgirl.
Were there Halloween parties on both 10/29 and 10/31? Did Aubrey Wygralak see Teresa on 10/31 at a Halloween party, where she was dressed as a cowgirl, or was it 10/29, or was it both? Did the Herald Times Reporter misreport the day as 10/21 and it actually was 10/31 when Aubrey last saw Teresa, dressed as a cowgirl for Halloween?
"Wygralak last saw her at a Halloween party Oct. 21, which Halbach attended dressed as a cowgirl, and she planned to see her Saturday when the two were to throw a surprise party for two friends in Green Bay. Instead, Wygralak spent the day helping friends search for some sign of Halbach. [Herald News Reporter, November 9, 2005]
Newsweek reported in March 2016:Looks like Sippel may have written an accurate report. Mentioning her friends, all connected to TH...whereas no mention of Pam or Nikole, who have no noticeable connection to the Halbach's since this day. pic.twitter.com/8kUjoD9hTr— TickTockManitowoc (@TManitowoc) April 12, 2018
Zellner says there are many glaring examples of investigators failing to look past Avery at other suspects. For example, two days before her murder, about 15 minutes before midnight, Halbach made two calls to a phone number that belonged to a man recently charged with sex crimes in Arizona, records show. "A well-trained investigator, they’d be all over that. And they would have gone and talked to [that man], and they would have interviewed these other people that she’s talking to right before her death," Zellner says. "She’s like prey being stalked, and that’s [the most likely type of] person who would have been after her."
If Ryan Hillegas did it, it seems the trigger probably was the very fact that Teresa was supposed to be going to a party, dressed as a cowgirl. Also, her roommate Scott mentioned she might have met some guy recently, and Scott surely shared this with Ryan.Teresa Halbach was at a private home in Green Bay for a family portrait at 4 PM on Saturday, 10/29/2005, per CASO dispatch call on 11/9.
Teresa was in her studio on 10/29, per Tom Pearce. Teresa may have gone to her studio in Green Bay before or after this photo shoot.Tip after SA arrested calling into CASO, woman says TH taking portrait of her family. They then discuss possible parks for shoots and her son's prints all over Teresa's equipment.— (!(AC)) (@Rookie1082) August 9, 2018
Now we know where Teresa was as late as 4-5PM on 10/29#MakingAMurdererhttps://t.co/pPOfJH89bF
In Mike Halbach's testimony (page 188) he says Teresa helped him on his first wedding video job on 10/29.
MikeH said the 10/29 wedding was a friend's wedding.
MikeH testified that the wedding was in the "early evening" of 10/29, and that Teresa would have attended the Halloween party "later on in the night."
Did Teresa Halbach bump into Chris McKenna at the 10/29 wedding (the teacher and girls track coach who moved from Wisconsin to Arizona around 2008, and who currently is incarcerated in Arizona for having a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old student).
Did Teresa (Hilbert High School class of 1998) bump into ChrisM (Hilbert High School class of 1996) at the 10/29 wedding, and did this result in her late night calls to him on 10/29?
There was a rumor about a rumble over Teresa at a Halloween party, which Aubrey Wyralak attended (she is Teresa's friend and the sister-in-law of Alex Quadrini, who called Teresa at 12:31 PM on 11/1 and left a message "regarding a family picture").
The rumor started with a comment from Linda at Daniel Luke's website, overthrow.us, which he has since taken down, but I saved part of the comment before the website went offline:
Linda September 28, 2016 7:38 am
I would like to point out that Teresa would be going to this Halloween party with a new guy friendIt appears from the CASO report that Brad Czech was not at the 10/29 wedding: in his interview with law enforcement on 11/4, he said that the last time he saw Teresa was two weeks earlier, when they met for lunch in Green Bay (pages 45-47 of CASO report).Bradleyand MH is the one who made a point to tell this to RH and believe he knew this would make RH furious. It made RH obsessed with it before he even got there. It was said thatBradleywas confronted by RH with aggression and RH called him out and wanted to fight him. Actually his anger was really aimed toward Teresa as though Teresa was cheating on him. This of course wouldn’t be true, but not in his head in wouldn’t be. I think RH was so jealous and in a rage to the point of out of control.
RyanS started calling Teresa in August 2005, maybe to confirm details of a family wedding for Teresa to photograph and for Mike to videotape on 10/29 (not RyanS's wedding -- he got married in January 2001 -- but another family member -- Ryan's wife was from Sheybogan, where Teresa may have spent the morning and early afternoon of 10/31).
The calls between RyanS and Teresa were:
8/17 Teresa calls RyanS (15:06)
8/31 Teresa calls RyanS (:35)
9/1 Teresa calls RyanS (:46)
10/7 RyanS called Teresa (:49)
10/7 Teresa returned RyanS's call (:21)
10/10 RyanS calls Teresa (:46)
10/10 Teresa returns RyanS's call (8:40)
10/25 Teresa calls RyanS (1:45)
10/27 Teresa calls RyanS (:40)
RyanS's family owns and runs a farm in Hilbert, just like the Halbach family.
One of TimH's law partners is TroyS, who is RyanS's brother.
TimH was/is facebook friends with ChrisM's brother Matthew, who is two years older than ChrisM, RyanS and TimH.
Teresa and RyanH (class of 1998) went to Hilbert High School with ChrisM and RyanS, although ChrisM and RyanS (class of 1996) were two years ahead of them. Teresa, RyanH and ChrisM were student athletes.
RyanH and ChrisM also went to the same college (University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh) and attended a few of the same years.
So there are connections between the Halbach family and the families of ChrisM and RyanS, and there are connections between RyanH and ChrisM.
RyanS, ChrisM, and TimH (and others from HHS) very well could have been guests at the wedding on 10/29, the wedding of a friend that Teresa photographed and MikeH videotaped.
Around 9:30 PM on 10/29, Teresa called her brother Tim, maybe to ask him for ChrisM's number.
Teresa called ChrisM twice on 10/29, just before midnight, per the Cingular report entered into evidence.
Did something happen at the wedding or Halloween party on 10/29 that created tension between Teresa and RyanH?
Was RyanH at the wedding on 10/29 or did he hear about it from others?
Was RyanH at the Halloween party on 10/29 or did he hear about it from others?
The following are RyanH's phone calls on 10/29 (he was up late the night before, Friday 10/28, and was making calls into the early morning hours of Saturday 10/29):
10/29 1:53 AM, Appleton, 2199, duration 1-2 minutes
10/29 3:18 AM, Oshkosh, 0386, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 3:21 AM, Fond Du Lac, 4189, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 11:38 AM, Oshkosh, 0386, duration 1-2 minutes
10/29 11:42 AM, Appleton, 9125, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 11:47 AM, Incoming, 0386, duration 1-2 minutes
10/29 12:07 PM, Appleton, 2199, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 12:08 PM, Stevens Pt, 6760, duration 11-12 minutes
10/29 1:32 PM, Appleton, 2199, duration 4-5 minutes
10/29 1:37 PM, Appleton, Sister or Brother-in-law, duration 4-5 minutes
10/29 2:39 PM, Incoming, ScottB, duration 6-7 minutes
10/29 2:54 PM, Incoming, 2632, duration 4-5 minutes
10/29 4:54 PM, Oshkosh, 0386, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 4:55 PM, Oshkosh, 0386, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 4:56 PM, Incoming, 0386, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 5:12 PM, Incoming, 2199, duration 2-3 minutes
10/29 6:44 PM, Appleton, 2199, duration 1-2 minutes
10/29 8:10 PM, Appleton, 2199, duation 2-3 minutes
10/29 8:24 PM, Appleton, 2199, duration less than 1 minute
10/29 8:25 PM, Incoming, 2199, duration 1-2 minutes
10/29 11:48 PM, Appleton, Sister or Brother-in-law, duration 1-2 minutes
The next day, the last day RyanH claims to have seen Teresa, he had very little phone activity:
10/30 1:26 PM, ScottB, duration less than 1 minute
10/30 1:35 PM, Incoming, ScottB, duration 1-2 minutes
10/30 3:30 PM, Kaukauna, 6810, duration less than 1 minute
Teresa's roommate and RyanH's good friend, Scott Bloedorn (Scott also went to HHS, class of 1998, where he too was a student athlete), told Wiegert that the "last time he talked to Teresa was around 2 PM on Sunday 10/30."
The 911 call placed by Karen Halbach at 2:52 PM on November 3, 2005, was requested in March 2018 by FOIA. Click here for the audio and transcript. Karen told the dispatcher that Teresa's roommate Scott Bloedorn saw Teresa at home on Monday, October 31, 2005. Therefore, either Scott lied or Wiegert's report was falsified.
Did RyanH find out that Teresa had hooked up with ChrisM over the weekend (Teresa called ChrisM twice just before midnight on 10/29)?
Could ChrisM be the "new guy" that Teresa met over the weekend, a possibility that ScottB mentioned to Wiegert?
I asked SCOTT if TERESA had a boyfriend to which SCOTT stated she did not. SCOTT has lived with TERESA for approximately eight or nine months. He did state to me he does not remember TERESA ever being gone overright; and her not being there since Monday, is very out of character for her. He also stated he noticed on Tuesday TERESA's truck was also not anywhere to be found at the house. I asked SCOTT what he thinks might have happened to which SCOTT states he really does not know, he just knows that this is out of character. He was thinking that maybe she had met a guy when she was out over the weekend; however, she did not mention that when he last spoke with her. SCOTT did tell me that he was aware that on Saturday night, TERESA had been at a Halloween party in Green Bay. He also stated TERESA hangs out in Green Bay a lot and has a lot of friends from Green Bay.Teresa discussed the 10/29 Halloween party with ScottB sometime prior to 2 PM on 10/30, per the CASO report.
SCOTT states he had talked to TERESA last on Sunday afternoon, 10/30/05, at about 2:00 p.m. I asked him what they had talked about, to which SCOTT stated they talked about the Halloween parties they had both attended over the weekend. I asked SCOTT if she had talked about what she was going to be doing on Halloween, the 31st, to which SCOTT stated she did not mention anything to him. SCOTT states they are just roommates and they do not check in with each other and only talk if they happen to meet each other in the house. He states they basically both live their own lives out of that house.What part of his conversation with Teresa about "parties over the weekend" did ScottB share with RyanH?
The Schneiders and Halbachs appear to be blood relatives:
ReplyDeleteCalumet County › Hilbert › Saint Marys Cemetery
Dec 2, 2016 - Donald Ruhland Hilbert, WI Donald Ruhland, age 67, of Hilbert, died unexpectedly on Friday, December 2, 2016 at St. Elizabeth Hospital in Appleton. Don was born November 18, 1949 in Fond du Lac, the son of the late Isadore & Anita (Schneider) Ruhland.
Maria Halbach - Address, Phone Number, Public Records | Radaris
https://radaris.com/p/Maria/Halbach/
Maria Ann Halbach age ~38. Lived in: Hilbert, WI. Related to: Donald Ruhland, Alice Ruhland, Chad Ruhland, Rebecca Ruhland, F Ruhland, Michele Rude, ... School: Uw-River Falls - River Falls, WI 2000 to 2003 2 1/2 years of college in business. School: Glenwood City High School - Glenwood City, WI 1996 to 2000 ...
[–]wrenemerson
ReplyDeleteI've been going back and forth over who seems the most likely killer (of who's been introduced in the show) and I haven't even watched all the episodes yet so I expect I'll change my opinions a bunch more, but I keep wavering between the ex and Bobby. They both came across as super sketchy on the stand. But the thing I've heard over and over again is that killers like to involve themselves in the crime scene later. I have no idea if that's an actual statistic or something movies made up so they'd have a way to solve an otherwise unsolvable crime, but if it DOES happen to be true, well, how much more involved can you get than being the leader of your victim's search party? "Oh by the way, Roommate, give Crazy Cousin a camera. You know, just in case..."
Plus, the dude has a serious smug face going on whenever he's on camera. He literally looks exactly the way I'd picture someone who thinks he's pulling a fast one over on everybody would look.
TH was being harassed via phone by someone she knew prior to being killed. The ex just happens to be able to figure out her password to pull up her phone records (smug face), and he puts himself in charge of her search party as well? If this were a fictional account, I'd discount him for being too obviously a red herring.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3yztfm/ryan_hillegas_women_because_theyre_evil_answer_to/
In a rare interview with TheLipTV (other than social media, Zellner has been tight-lipped with press), she explained what compelled her to take the case, saying that she “intends to prove” who killed Teresa Halbach, and that it’s “fairly obvious” who did it if you review the evidence in the criminal case.
ReplyDelete“It’s the evidence,” she asserted to TheLipTV. “In having had a number of these cases, it has the signature of a wrongful conviction case. They only focused on him. They did not look at a lot of other suspects, certainly some very key people they should have been looking at. There was a very poor investigation done of the victim’s background, who she was involved with, the circumstances of her life. It had all of the hallmarks of a wrongful conviction case.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/2534884/steven-averys-lawyer-its-fairly-obvious-who-killed-teresa-halbach/
[–]skatoulaki 19 points 2 years ago
I consider myself lucky I was able to see it! It was taken down pretty fast, but of all the points she made, that one stuck out to me - as well as her stating that she'll not only get Avery exonerated, but she'll prove that evidence was planted AND will prove who the real killer was. If she's really as good as her reputation seems to indicate, I'm hopeful that we'll finally see some answers!
[–]jessejm
She also mentions in Crime Time that "there was a poor investigation of the victim's background, who she was involved with"
I somewhat believe the Zipperer idea but I don't think they had a background together. Makes me start to wonder if it was someone she knew much more... intimately
[–]TheEntity1[S]
I re-listened to Zellner's comments, and she does seem to be strongly insinuating the killer was connected to Halbach. And if that's the case, it's likely the one person everyone has been pointing fingers at.
[–]Yecart81
In the video she states that the victims life was not looked into. In most murders. Especially brutal which are crimes of passion, you look at those the victim is closest too. Maybe Ryan sent Pam to the car. Hmmmmmm
[–]seaniedee
Nah. She said: "There was very poor investigation done of the victim's background, who she was involved with, the circumstances of her life." That doesn't point to the cops. She does implicate the cops in terms of the way their investigation was focused on the Averys, due to them being "dispensable", but not in terms of them killing Teresa.
[–]deepleeness
well we have this on Ryan http://imgur.com/Hcxe7Xm (he thinks women are evil!).
And the interview in the search party where he says he was in SA's yard then retracts after MH prompts him - they make the stuff up as they go along:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRa7yPDjBzk
[–]deleted
I felt certain she read the journal and is investigating based on Teresa's unheard voice.
[–]BridgetJones1961 9 points 2 years ago
ReplyDeleteWhat struck me was when she said that Teresa's social activities and what she had been doing had not been investigated. Of course, I'm paraphrasing, because I can't go back and rewatch. That made me think that it may have something to do with the person who was harrassing her.
[–]hooshotjr
I always think, what if RH had been grilled to the level that Avery had been grilled. "Uhh I don't remember why I was there, or if it was day and night" would have been beaten to death by the detectives. I'm sure the investigators would have played the "We're talking to the roomate now. If he remembers, and you don't, that's not going to look good for you is it?" card.
It wouldn't mean that he is guilty, but but perhaps not going down that road meant that something embarrassing or a minor crime (drug use or something) was not revealed. Had that went down, other leads would have had to been investigated. Also if he had been forced to explain where he was on the 31st and beyond, that would give the defense the opportunity to poke holes in his alibi.
Finally raises the question of whether or not investigators held back anything. I mean maybe the roomate or RH mentioned something that would be worthy of investigation, but it was ignored because of the focus on Avery, doubly bad if they were told to not remember certain things because they 100% had the right guy in Avery.
[–]fancyfembot
It always bugged me that Ryan couldn't remember if he last saw TH day or night. If someone close to me died, I'm going to remember my last moments with them.
[–]ChloeDO
Because I'm pretty sure he did not see her that day. It's only his word. It makes it seem like they were chummy friends. Nowhere does anyone verify the roommate saw him when he was there that day. He's a big fat lier!
[–]soccer_3cpo
Usually when the boyfriend or husband is a suspect, usually you get at least one neighbor who says, it is obvious the hubsband/boyfriend/significant other did it. I think this points to RH. He went on to stalk/harass another girlfriend after TH, allegedly. Based on Jim Clemente's profile of the murderer, I think it RH would fit just as easily as SA.
[–]dcrunner81
Someone from Manitowoc posted that her roommate was a drug dealer. Carmen Boutwell age24 died in two rivers nov3. Could there be a connection?
[–]milwaukeegina
YES!!! I've seen the article on her death and Remiker is mentioned. The quote he gave almost made me fall over... (edited) “It’s like finding a needle in a haystack,” Remiker said. “And then obtaining enough evidence to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard we’re held to."
[–]jakse1 4 points 2 years ago
ReplyDeleteI've been pretty confident it was Zipperer, but there are definitely red flags with Ryan. It's very strange he says he doesn't remember what time of day he last saw her or what he was taking over to Scott. I agree with you - most people upon realizing someone they knew was missing, they are going to go back to the last time they saw them and think about every detail. Obviously the scratches and bruise on his hands are suspicious.
Also, he really tried to downplay that he was the ex-boyfriend and dated her for 5 YEARS. But, he was the first person Mike H. called when he found out Teresa was missing. Then he led the search which seems very odd being the ex-boyfriend and the fact that he tried to act like they weren't that close...saying he would go over to see Scott not Teresa. But, then he says he tried to call her after she disappeared to find out how a Halloween Party she was supposed to go to went.
If they really were close, I still think it is weird to call an ex to ask about a party the day after. And if they weren't that close as he tried to portray, why make a call to ask about a party? Either way, it seems like something he might just ask her about when he sees her again since he goes to their house maybe once a week or three times a week, whichever was accurate because he said both during his testimony.
However, if he's a jealous ex that won't leave her alone, then calling the day after she was supposed to go to a party would make sense. If he did do it, it seems the trigger was probably that very fact that she was supposed to be going to a party.
Also, her roommate mentioned she met some guy recently, and I am sure he shared that with Ryan.
Then, the guessing of the username/password is clearly unlikely. Also, I don't recall ever seeing him being upset during the search and certainly didn't seem sad or affected much during his testimony.
Another odd thing, when things started pointing to Steven and even after he was on trial, neither Ryan or Mike seemed angry. If I found out my loved one was brutally raped, stabbed, shot, beat, and burned, it would be impossible to hide my absolute anger and hatred for the person responsible. Mike seemed like he was there in the capacity of a spokesman for the prosecution rather than a family member of the victim.
"One may be struck by the complete absence of drugs and drug business in a neck of the woods where such activities often feature prominently. The victim’s personal life is almost completely missing and so she seems a tragic cipher." - Lorrie Moore, TV: The Shame of Wisconsin, February 25, 2016
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/02/25/making-murderer-shame-of-wisconsin/
A drug trade ring (SB, RH, TH, LE, etc.) would make a lot of sense out of a seemingly random cast of characters.
New Unified Theory: Crooked Cops and Drugs
Submitted 2 years ago by DennaAbusesKvothe
So far we've had every theory imaginable, but I haven't seen anything about drugs.
If dishonest cops want someone out of the way, and they're trying to cover something up, and they may be willing to kill someone for it, then it's very likely that drugs and money are involved.
Did Teresa Halbach have photos of a marijuana field in someone's back yard? Someone under the protection of corrupt officials? Maybe, like many professional photographers, she wanted to do something more important than Auto Trader. Maybe she considered herself a freelance reporter, and maybe she knew too much. That's why someone had been threatening her, and that's why she was scared.
Her camera was never recovered, but it wasn't burned with her cellphone. We know for a fact that her voicemails were deleted, which points to a coordinated cover-up between the murderer and someone close to her. That part doesn't seem to have anything to do with Steven Avery, but it still implicates law enforcement.
Maybe someone in the Avery family was dealing drugs, and maybe the drug trade was controlled by corrupt government employees. That's the missing connection that caused seemingly unrelated people to work together, under orders from their bosses.
That's the most likely explanation, if you believe involvement from cops, judges, Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey, Ryan Hillegas and Mike Halbach. Otherwise it requires multiple separate and unrelated conspiracies. The cops conspired to frame Steven, but they weren't involved in the murder? Mike and Ryan deleted voicemails to hide something, but they weren't involved in the murder? Steve's relatives lied in order to put him away, but they weren't involved in the murder?
It's obvious that the county didn't want Steven Avery's lawsuit to uncover wrongdoing, but what kind of wrongdoing could they be hiding? Framing petty criminals? Or a multimillion dollar drug ring?
Maybe Gregory Allen was one of their men. We know they knew about Gregory Allen in 1985. We know the Police Department was at odds with the Sheriff's Department. Why else do they let a criminal go, unless he was working with them?
Maybe drugs are the link between both of Steven Avery's convictions. The rumors about a secret club that runs the town say that all important business owners were in the club. Would that include Penny Beerntsen's husband? Is it a satanic sex club, or is it a typical small-town drug gang with law enforcement officers on the payroll?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3yd3ku/new_unified_theory_crooked_cops_and_drugs/
[–]JacksnakeJames
ReplyDeleteWhat if her death was accidental, and was caused by a member of the family, or someone close to them, and certain LEO took advantage of that by implying, or outright saying, that if they did not cooperate with the LEO, that they would be charged with manslaughter, or even murder?
People with guns, who are used to getting away with their crimes, unscathed, just might have this kind of hubris.
My life was threatened by a cop upon our first meeting. I later worked for a company he owned, and he would revel about the crimes committed by the police department he worked within. He literally described several violent crime that they chose to commit against their victims. He also reveled in the fact that when they found underage girls skinny dipping in a private pool, they forced them to remain unclothed (creepy sexual predator behavior). When they caught underage males at the same pool, they had them promptly re-dress, and berated them. This guy was only 24 or 25 when he described these things to me, and that was 10 years ago. I hope he's no longer a cop.
When people with guns, whom are willing to use them against another person, and are almost certainly going to get away with it, even if it's criminal behavior, force their will onto others, generally, people use the emergency tactic of self preservation, by abiding by the violent perpetrator's whim, or fighting them off.
[–]Booty_Grazer
This is why this is my number two theory. If the family tried to cover it up and LE was on to them quickly... then LE gave them a choice. Then since they had SA to frame it worked for both parties.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/8a1tfr/deceptive_behaviour/
[–]MnAtty
ReplyDeleteSomething else that people may be getting wrong is who TH actually was. We are only hearing the idealized version that was developed after her death. But I have considered the possibility that she may have been targeted, not unlike Avery himself, as someone who was expendable.
We heard about the things she did right, like coaching children's volleyball. However, Manitowoc was a town of harsh judgments and rigid classicism. TH went against their mores in numerous ways. She was involved with a married man. The nude photography cannot be emphasized enough. Some may have perceived her as being associated with exotic services, or even the sex trade. Remember, we're talking about how she was perceived or judged by the "good" people of that town, not by how you and I might see her.
Also, there have been some references to drugs. TH may have been targeted as a bad influence or bad person by the MDSO similarly to the way Avery was targeted back in 1985. My concern is that all the different things added up to TH being regarded as a throwaway. Maybe she was even someone they wanted to see gone.
Could the gentlemen's agreement have been with regard to a criminal history, rather than a sexual history? Have we ever been given any clear information about what the big secret was?
Drug death a painful memory
ReplyDeleteSuzanne Weiss | Published 11:00 p.m. CT June 7, 2014
Manitowoc County drug-related deaths in the past 10 years
Manitowoc County Coroner Curtis Green provided the following figures for drug-related deaths in Manitowoc County.
Only accidental and undetermined deaths are included; suicides are not listed
The proliferation of prescription narcotics has led to an upswing in area drug-related deaths during the last 10 years, said Capt. Scott Luchterhand of the Manitowoc Police Department.
“The upswing in overdose deaths is a direct result of the quantities of prescription medication being diverted by users,” said Lt. Dave Remiker of the Manitowoc County Metro Drug Unit.
More recently, drug abusers are turning to supplies of cheap heroin, Luchterhand said.
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2004
ReplyDelete• Female, age 26, drugs unknown
2005
• Female, 24, methadone, alcohol
2006
• Male, 28, methadone, alprazolam
• Male, 26, methadone, cocaine, diazepam, lorazepam
• Male, 43, fentanyl
• Male, 62, alcohol, alprazolam
2007
• Male, 33, methadone
• Male, 30, methadone, alcohol
• Male, 26, bupropion
2008
• Male, 19, methadone
• Female, 50, fentanyl, cocaine, alcohol
• Male, 52, morphine and oxycodone
• Male, 51, prescription overdose of cancer pain medication
• Female, 23, multi-prescription drug toxicity
2009
• Female, 52, propoxyphene
• Female, 23, fentanyl
• Male, 49, benzodiazepine, narcotics
• Female, 64, doxepin, Xanax and alcohol
• Female, 86, multi-drug interaction and fall
• Male, 22, methadone
• Male, 50, morphine, methadone
• Male, 45, cocaine
• Male, 19, heroin
• Female, 51, alprazolam
• Female, 80, fentanyl
• Male, 26, cocaine
2010
• Male, 46, cocaine, fentanyl, opiates
• Male, 48, multi-drug toxicity
• Female, 27, multi-drug toxicity
• Female, 23, multi-drug toxicity
• Male, 52, dextromethorphan, diazepam
• Male, 22, methadone
• Female, 80, fentanyl
• Female, 44, alcohol and drug use
• Male, 54, oxycodone
2011
• Male, 35, heroin
• Female, 46, complications of drug and alcohol abuse.
• Male, 51, heroin
• Female, 51, morphine, cyclobenzaprine
• Female, 51, citalopram, clozapine and donepezil
2012
• Male, 31, multi-drug toxicity
• Female, 38, acetaminophen
• Male, 23, multi-drug toxicity
• Male, 46, multi-drug toxicity
• Male, 59, cyclobenzaprine
• Male, 19 methadone
• Male, 49, cocaine
• Males, 49, oxycodone
• Female, 41, opiates and benzodiazepines
2013
• Male, 52, oxycodone, clonazepam
• Female, 57, oxycodone
• Female, 60, alprazolam
• Male, 45, methadone
• Male, 38, heroin
• Males, 22, alcohol, dextromethorphan, fluoxetine
• Female, 46, morphine
• Female, 61, multi-drug toxicity
• Male, 26, morphine
2014
• Male, 31, methadone, alcohol
• Male, 26, fentanyl
https://www.htrnews.com/story/news/local/2014/06/08/drug-death-a-painful-memory/10177139/
[–]MrEbenezer420
ReplyDeleteI guess that "prominent businessmen" have been continually asking him to join this club his whole life, a club where top businessmen about town and cops hang out naked according to some polaroids he saw once, and supposedly all the best jobs in town are determined by guys in this all-guys club, and maybe there are also human sacrifices. He opened a bar and people kept asking him to join the club, then one of the other local bars closed, he hired this lady Mary Ann Dineen who ran the bar that closed, and then one day he went deer hunting with his dad, and then Mary Ann Dineen was murdered that day, and then the whole town went to his bar and drank all the alcohol and stole his like loose cash.
Oh, he was also present on the beach the day of the Beernsteen assault, riding his jetski on the beach, and said there were a lot of cops around that day, and that they didn't seem to require his assistance when he was trying to find the perp in the woods. And asked him to join the club again.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3xwe9x/unified_theory_bones_barb_janda_and_mike_halbach/
Page 32 of the CASO report bothers me (self.TickTockManitowoc)
ReplyDeletesubmitted 1 year ago * by hos_gotta_eat_too
I have never been able to put my finger on it, and ever since seeing CASO there's been a quiet buzz in my mind. But I feel like it's clearer now what it is.
Why does Jolene Bain tell Pagel and Wiegert about the photos of BC and his wife?
At the moment, she's only missing. For all Jolene knows, she is gonna come back in the house at anytime, having hooked up with some guy. Why would she disclose her sex life and the photographs so openly with police, unless she felt there was something nefarious afoot?
For example...go through the rest of the statements. Jolene talks about her relationship with BC, but BC seems to want the cops to know she was also sexual with SB. BUT....BC offers no proof to try to sell that story...but, Jolene provides photographic evidence there was something there to back up her intimacy claims with BC, perhaps BC and his wife.
It's just an oddity I never realized until now, but there HAD to be a reason she directed the cops to those photos.
Think of it this way. If you were missing, alive and well and no one knew you were, would you want them pointing cops to something very intimate and private involving you and you came back to discover one of your friends did that?
ETA: now that I think about it, the statement from Jolene states that "she and Teresa had recently become very good friends"...where were her other friends statements? The girls who went out looking for her with RH and SB ..crying at the vigil...the ones we are hearing from now who are slamming Making a Murderer and defending her honor, and wearing blue for her run in Hilbert. Why was Jolene the only one giving information...was she an independent friend of TH's and not within her inner circle? Were her close but more longtime friends hiding something? So puzzling.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/4yyxiy/page_32_of_the_caso_report_bothers_me/
TickTockManitowoc
ReplyDelete@TManitowoc
Mar 15
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Denny-Motion-Prohibiting-Evidence-of-Third-Party-Liability.pdf …
You filed your Denny motion on June 9th, 2006...Fassbender gets the Cingular warrant for voicemails on April 27th, 2006, but he didn't file his report until 3 days after you asked for Denny...gee, why is that, @ken723ken
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
Mar 14
Why was AQ not investigated when Fassbender got the voicemail info back? Cause it was April 2006..if investigated and he did it, then DCI and LE would have to explain how her Rav4 ended up at ASY with Avery blood in it how the bones, key, bullet, her items and plates got there.
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
Mar 10
Know what bars love to do? They celebrate Halloween with pictures. Look at any bars FB pics, and see they have Halloween parties often. They've always do that..to show clientele their place is the spot to be. Question is, did a picture capture TH at a bar with "friends" on 10/31?
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
Mar 10
So let's look at the events discussed the past week:
* 5 gf's in ASY 11/5
* no friends called her on 10/31 or 11/1
* CASO activity report has her seen at home on Monday, listed as "Death"
* Karen talks about her in past tense 11/4
* 11/1 gets a vm from a convicted murderer
Hmmm
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
Mar 10
On 11/3, Dave Remiker reached out to a "buddy" at the DCI for some help (who tried to call her)? Says representative of DCI...but pretty sure that would be a buddy.
Remember, DCI did not get involved until 11/5 after the car was found. Question is, who is the DCI buddy?
CONTINUED...
TickTockManitowoc
ReplyDelete@TManitowoc
Mar 7
Based on that CASO activity report...if 1 person says they saw TH on Monday afternoon, it DESTROYS the states case. Documentation is there, and the dispatcher writing the report could be aware of who the last person who claimed to see her was. Karen fed the info, so she knows.
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
Mar 6
If you have 5 friends so willing to trespass in a junkyard to search, why would these same 5 friends not call you on one of the funnest partying nights a 25 year old girl could ever have. Jolene Bain knows she takes nude pics of couple, but doesn't call one time on 10/31 or 11/1?
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
Mar 6
Another reason to suspect the family and friends already knew she was dead, and why the investigation seemed to be to find the car more than her..
it would explain why Avery is listed as "suspect-homicide" on 11/3 in his activity report, less than 90 minutes after she's missing
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
Mar 6
Ok, going with a theory here. If you find a hole, tell me..Cause in all honesty, I kinda dreamt it and had to wake up to discuss it. This theory puts cement in the cracks around questionable things. There is one scenario I have not scene discussed in theory by anyone..(1/?)
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
Mar 6
Evidence supporting this theory.
* none of her friends called 10/31. Moreso, they didn't call her 11/1 either
* her own family talked about her in past tense
* her car is found, the most important thing to LE
* her friends are at ASY looking
(2/?)
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
Mar 1
How did they know not to bother calling, and why didn't a single person call that night? Tom Pearce talks about her in the past tense. Mike Halbach mentions "grieving"..who "grieves" a missing person? Karen Halbach talking about her in the past tense. Friends knew something 10/31
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
Mar 1
What really happened to TH on 10/31? Her own friends, unknowing that she "Was killed by Steven Avery" do not call her one single time on Halloween night..She's 25 years old, parties, and a lot of her pics show her with friends, and so many touching tributes after #makingamurderer
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
Feb 28
On 11/5, there were 5 of TH's girlfriends at ASY within about an hour of Calumet cops arriving. 5 friends...
but not a one of these friends tried to call her on 10/31..Halloween night.
Meaning:
1. They were with her, so why call her?
or
2. Knew she would not answer her phone
The possible Martinez connection to Avery Auto Salvage and the comments about a baggie (CASO page 980)...
ReplyDeleteThe statements made by Jodi's stepfather (CASO page 1052)....
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/exhibit-293-passenger-door-view.jpg
About the "going ons at ASY on 10/31/05," Jodi's stepfather said DavidT has a friend who told DavidT there was "more to the story." Jodi's stepfather believes it has something to do with AM. DavidT told Jodi's stepfather that "there was more going on than was coming out."
Page 1052 CASO
https://i.imgur.com/esVjEmF.png
What if Teresa made it to Appleton to party with her friends on Halloween, October 31st? What if she died an accidental death that night, possibly from an overdose? What if her friends were responsible for providing the drugs and also partaking in them?
What if her family knew about her death by the morning of November 2nd?
What if Mike was with Teresa when it happened, and he told the family the next day, and the family called family friend Sheriff Pagel, who contacted his buddies and told them that Teresa had been to Avery's on October 31st?
Teresa's body would have revealed the cause of death was an overdose, which is why they couldn't plant it or couldn't plant her blood at Avery's -- instead, they needed her body burned beyond the ability to detect cause of death.
It would explain the condolense message, #Message ID No. 1336891647, left on her voicemail, a record that appears to be altered on the voicemail report, which must have been run before 11/16 since Teresa's messages older than 14 days would have autodeleted by 11/16.
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Trial-Exhibit-372-Halbach-Voicemail-Records.pdf
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Exhibit-62-Agent-Fassbender-VM-Report.pdf
It would explain the oddities surrounding the family's reaction to her death.
It would explain why Mike Halbach deleted some of her voicemails prior to 7:12 AM on November 2nd.
It would explain Teresa perhaps having a second cell phone.
It would explain the rumor that Scott B was a drug dealer.
It would explain the comments by Martinez about the baggie.
It would explain Jodi's stepfather saying there was more to the story.
It would explain the gentlemen's agreement between the prosection and the defense.
It would explain why Teresa's many friends weren't questioned.
It would explain why Jolene Bain, Aubrey Wgygrak and three others were in the quarry beside ASY the morning of 11/5.
It would explain Alex Quadrini's call and the message he left for Teresa on 11/1 -- maybe he left a message as an excuse for the call, which was really a call to find her phone.
Examining the suspicious manner in which Ken Kratz tried to manipulate the Court into prematurely ruling on the admissibility of Teresa Halbach’s death certificate
ReplyDelete(self.TickTockManitowoc)
submitted 3 months ago by Temptedious
An excerpt from the State’s Offer of Proof (PG. 2, PG. 7):
> The state will offer photographs of the victim, Teresa Halbach, as relevant and appropriate, to explain other evidence being introduced, including those photos offered within "summary'' trial exhibits.
> (19) Teresa Halbach was pronounced dead by Calumet County Medical Examiner, Mxxx Klaeser, which death certificate lists "homicide" as cause of death (Image # 38).
A compilation of all 39 photos Kratz included in the Offer of Proof can be found starting on Page 10 (in said Offer, linked above). Unfortunately they are only thumbnails, and the quality of every single one is extraordinarily poor. However, we can get a clear look at image 38 as it is simply a photo of the death certificate.
The Offer of Proof is 12 pages long and as you can see I only included very brief excerpts from pages 2 and 7. Upon my first reading of the Offer I assumed I was reading a casual request.
In fact this completely slipped by me at first - I was much more flustered by other items and images Kratz wished to introduce, such as the request that Kratz be allowed to introduce a photo of Teresa which apparently showed she was a “religious girl who demonstrated efforts towards remaining safe from harm.”
First, who cares if Teresa was religious? That has nothing to do with anything. And second, don’t we all demonstrate efforts towards remaining safe from harm?
Anyhow, as stated above I barely noticed offer 19 at first, but I have come to understand this was indeed an attempt by the State (specifically Kratz) to manipulate the Court into prematurely ruling on the admissibility of the death certificate.
Although I didn't realize this was the case until I read the Court’s opinion.
[–]rogblake
> .... such as the request that Kratz be allowed to introduce a photo of Teresa which apparently showed she was a “religious girl who demonstrated efforts towards remaining safe from harm.” First, who cares if Teresa was religious? That has nothing to do with anything.
Actually, for the prosecution, it does: Stating that the victim was "religious", etc, would give the jury the false impression that the victim wasn't involved in any premarital sexual relationships, let alone the 'friends with benefits' arrangement she once had with the BC the DJ and possibly also with her housemate, SB.
It would give the jury the incorrect impression that the victim was virtually a vestigial virgin - blue ribbons, anybody? - and thus there was nobody like a jealous former or present lover anywhere on LE's suspect radar to consider as alternative suspects for the murder. Her personal life is only of interest insofar as it may provide insights as to why she was killed.
Stating that the victim was "a religious girl who demonstrated efforts towards remaining safe from harm" also implies that she never drank, or knew people who took drugs, or listened to rock music, or stayed out at night after 9PM, and implies by inference that she was naive to the ways of the world and the lustful desires of men.
All complete nonsense of course, however if Kratz gives the impression that all her friends and acquaintances are like the Osmonds rather than the Osbournes, all ideas of any alternative suspects disappear.
A seemingly innocuous phrase, which made it easy for the jury to accept that the Keystone Cops' investigation was competent and thorough, and that there could be no other possible suspect than SA, the accused in front of them, on trial.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/7p1wzj/examining_the_suspicious_manner_in_which_ken/
New friends in last two years or less of Teresa's life:
ReplyDeleteNicole Sanger
Brad Czech
Friends associated with Picture People:
Aubrey Wygralak
Jolene Bain
Margo Quadrini
Friends from college:
Katie Uttech
Tina Mills
Ben Mayer
Old friends from childhood and high school:
Kelly Pitzen
Lisa McGlone Fochs
Ryan Hillegas
Scott Bloedorn
Friends she emailed:
Meggan
Brenda
Ken (exhibit 56 -- the person who thanked TH for the porn package via e-mail)
New Guy:
Chris McKenna
Alleged longtime friend interviewed by PEOPLE Magazine:
Gina Haring
http://people.com/crime/teresa-halbach-magazine-asked-her-to-go-to-steven-averys-house-one-last-time/
God led someone to the Rav...but it wasn't Pam Sturm self.MakingaMurderer
ReplyDeleteSubmitted 19 hours ago * by ThackerLaceyDeJaynes
Manitowoc...shockingly...provides a report detailing the names of 5 of Teresa's friends that were on ASY that day.
Manitowoc report https://imgur.com/gallery/DrXci
Calumet...didn't.
But what Kelly Sippel says....is that it was her friends who found the car.
Everyone within a 5 mile radius would have known about a relative finding it by God's directive. Even if it were just later that day when reports were typed. An event like that? That leads to search warrants and the biggest case for miles and years?
Kelly Sippel https://imgur.com/gallery/ckd8f
Such an unfortunate mistake.
Investigation continues.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/8bmjpa/god_led_someone_to_the_ravbut_it_wasnt_pam_sturm/
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
20 hours ago
Seems the Terrell family in GB has major connections to TH.
* Margo married AQ who called her on 11/1
* Aubrey (kitten) was her close friend
* Theo is FB friends with the girl who worked with TH at Pearce Photography
* Tyler married Jolene (page 32 of CASO/one of the kittens)
https://twitter.com/TManitowoc/status/984224515168202752
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
20 hours ago
So 5 kittens on property without permission. They call LE in Calumet. Pagel gets Sturms to go in, acting on behalf of LE.
Bam! 4th Amendment violation.
Everything found = Fruit of the poisonous tree.
Guilters: "Pfft. That's a reach!"
Not according to two police reports.
https://twitter.com/TManitowoc/status/984240736588578816
TickTockManitowoc
ReplyDelete@TManitowoc
7h7 hours ago
Saw something I hadn't noticed before. On one of Teresa's visits to Avery's, she was accompanied by a guy named Ron. Why was Ron never interviewed to find out if during their 45 minute car ride to Manitowoc and 45 minutes back, if she ever shared a fear or nervousness about SA?
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
18h18 hours ago
Good reads on the procedure for 911 calls.
https://t.co/kRzSxTfwAd
https://t.co/mvKO9vNDDn
Also, one thing I learned in looking into this. 911 dispatchers usually read through scripted questions using their CAD system (which we know Calumet had). This call was way off-script.
TickTockManitowoc
18h18 hours ago
Dispatcher says "all officers are responding to an accident"...But this is a missing person. Time is crucial. Just like the dispatch call from Sturm to Pagel, no urgency. It took hours for LeMieux to begin making calls. They couldn't bring ONE officer back from from the accident?
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
18h18 hours ago
I have said before how odd I find KH's call. There was something I couldn't put my finger on while listening..Aside from "What was she wearing?" and "tattoos or piercings?"...there was not one identifier asked.
Eye color, hair color, height, weight, scars, ethnicity..Not asked.
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
19h19 hours ago
Odd Teresa jokes about the plates and Mike would be in on the joke...but clearly mom wasn't. Mike is close enough to TH to know her jokes, her voicemail password. Ryan is close enough to know where items are at, her doctors names and addresses, medical visits.
But mom doesn't.
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
Apr 14
At the time of Wiegert showing up, Steven wasn't even known of yet. So why did Wiegert not take the CAD report and ask "Who is Scott, and what time did you see her?"...The fact he didn't nor was Scott alibi'ed at that moment in time, tells me this was gonna be pinned on someone.
TickTockManitowoc
@TManitowoc
Apr 14
When you listen to Karen's call, keep in mind that she is not the only one saying Scott was the last person to see her on Monday. She was asking Tom Halbach questions. Had she been mistaken, Tom would have corrected her answer about Monday. So basically 2 people are saying SB saw her.
I have seen discussion of tracking dogs, figured i'd give my two cents. self.MakingaMurderer
ReplyDeleteSubmitted 2 days ago by DowntownT3nsion
There has been debate recently about how reliable tracking dogs are and the veracity of the claims that the dogs are telling the "truth" about Teresa's whereabouts in relations to the Avery property.
I'd like to preface this post as i'm not positive about the guilt or innocence of Steven Avery, but I wanted to share my thoughts on the dogs as I have worked around tracking dogs in the past in the southwest United States 35 or so years ago. Dog tracking has certainly come a long way since my time being around hounds and of the like, but the basics still remain the same when it comes to interpreting the dog tracks.
I was keen on reading the entire dog handler report when the snippets were linked recently on a post. One part of the cadaver dog report stuck out the most to me:
https://imgur.com/sjUsbr3
The main part that sticks out is the conference at the command post between the tracking and cadaver handlers regarding their scents. They both agreed that strong scents were picked up west of Avery's property and heading south from Avery's property (both on a berm-like terrain). The south trail leading up to a conveyor road which I believe a group of Teresa's friends were found days prior, and Cadaver dogs hit on human remains in the same area.
Speaking from experience, it is very unlikely that if Teresa Halbach was taking pictures near Steven's residence and was inside/killed in the garage or trailer as claimed, that her scent would be tracked south and west of Steven Avery's trailer with intense tracks from the hound. Teresa, her car, or her items were west (at kuss road most likely) and south (by the conveyor) at some point prior to the dogs sniffing about.
The other post made a point about the burn pit not being hit on by the Cadaver dogs days prior to them being found. The range of dogs by far exceeds 100m regardless of weather. High drive dogs, like the one described in this case (Brutus), would have been more excited about the burn pit and being around there. Alerts would most likely be given from within 50 feet of the source, and more excitement as Brutus neared to within 1-3 meters of the source of scent.
It is very likely in my opinion that Teresa was indeed where the dogs tracked. Her car was, for sure. Now the only question I have with the dog reports is "why would Steven take Teresa west of his trailer (or south) if he killed and burned her outside of it?"
The dogs are usually right, as history tells.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/8hog2c/i_have_seen_discussion_of_tracking_dogs_figured/
The DA's Callout and The Case of the Disappearing Car
ReplyDeleteby magilla39 in TickTockManitowoc
[–]dugdiggins
Here are parts of the report from Great Lakes Search and Rescue (attached as an exhibit to Zellner's PCR):
GLSAR members arrived on scene at the roadblock at CTH Q/Hwy 147 in Manitowoc County at 2:45 pm on November 5, responding to a page from Manitowoc County Sheriff's Dept.
At approximately 3:30 pm, one cadaver dog team was requested to proceed to the command post on the Avery salyage yard property. The dog selected was K9 Brutus, a 9-year old Belgian Malinois with extensive search experience and handler Julie with back up handler Bob.
Upon arrival at the command post, it was requested that K9 Brutus proceed into the salvage yard and check the area of a car crusher and vehicles located on the southeast corner of the property.
Brutus checked the car crusher and numerous vehicles as he worked in a southernly direction. He turned to proceed west and gave a headcheck and rushed to a green vehicle, partially covered by blue tarp. He began to bark, which is his trained alert behavior, indicating the presence of human decomposition. (ALERT #1)
After investigators noted his response and identified the vehicle ar belonging to the victim, we continued to work vehicles in the area. Brutus showed interest along the berm south of the vehicle.
We proceeded into the gravel pit immediately south of the victim's SUV, and while he seemed agitated, no second alert was given in that area.
At the southern edge of that gravel pit, in the western corner along a road that ran along a gravel conveyor, K9 Brutus again began to bark. Several spent shell casings were noted in the area, but no scent source was located at that time (ALERT #2).
We continued around the gravel pit, returning to the area of the salvage yard, checked the pond area directly north of the victim's vehicle, rechecked the car crusher, and returned to command post.
At this time 4 teams: K9 Lucy, K9 Trace, K9 Rieseling and K9 Cody, were sent to begin checking vehicles in the salvage yard. During this search, the four dog teams used the existing roads through the salvage yard to create grid patterns and did a specific vehicle checks of each vehicle their areas.
Two teams reported an alert in the same area.
Both K9 Lucy and K9 Trace alerted in area of the salvage yard along the gravel conveyor in the southwestern section of the yard (ALERT #3). This area was north of the area of Alert 2. While both dogs alerted, no scent source was located at this time.
[...]
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It should be noted that on November 5 during the hours that the dog teams worked, the weather worsened. Heavy rains and darkness hampered attempts to locate the scent sources the dogs alerted on. All indications were reported to the command post, and law enforcement officers accompanied each GLSAR dog team.
ReplyDeleteOn November 6 GLSAR mernbers arrived at the search scene at the Avery Salvage yard at 7:30 am, responding to a page from the Manitowoc Sheriff's Dept.
Initially 2 (HRD) cadaver dogs were given assignments.
Lucy was sent to check perimeters of building and structures in the compound. K9 Lucy showed increased interest in the area of a breezeway between a light green residence and garage, however, no alert was given.
K9 Brutus was sent to recheck the area of the car crusher and vehicles in the southeast corner of the salvage yard.
Brutus alerted on 2 vehicles (ALERT #8) that were parked on the west side of the pond, north of where the victim's vehicle had been the previous evening. It appeared that blood in these 2 vehicles may have resulted from the event damaging the vehicles, however, both vehicles were flagged and rechecked by K9 Lucy.
Both Brutus and Lucy checked the pond in that area with no alerts.
As we exited the salvage yard, Brutus alerted on the entrance to a mobile home along the gravel drive, identified as the home of Charles Avery (ALERT #9).
K9 Simon and K9 Cody were dispatched to check vehicles parked in fenced area west of the rnain salvage yard, along a gravel road that was west of Steven Avery's residence. Both dogs cleared their area with specific vehicle checks, neither reporting any alerts.
K9 Trace checked the exterior of Steven Avery's residence and red van in driveway without alert.
At this time 4 dog teams were sent to check the gravel pit immediately south of the salvage yard.
K9 Lucy, K9 Trace, K9 Rieseling, K9 Simon set up a grid pattern to clear this area.
K9 Lucy reported an alert in the same area that the dogs had alerted the previous evening, labeled Alerts 2 and 3 (ALERT #10).
K9 Simon and K9 Lucy returned to cornmand post after completing the area of the gravel pit south of the salvage yard.
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On November 6, weather was again a factor working against the dogs. There was rain and sleet early in the day, with high winds. Dog handlers set up varied grid patterns to account for wind conditions. Alerts were reported to back up personnel and command post.
ReplyDeleteOn Monday November 7, Julie and Bob responded to the scene with K9 Brutus and K9 Trace at the request of Investigator Dedering of the Calumet County Sherift's Dept.
We arrived on scene at 11:30 am and were asked to recheck the gravel piles east of Avery Road, where dogs had alerted the day before. K9 Brutus went over the area carefully but did not alert at the flagged location or in the area of that gravel pit.
We then proceeded to a location we were requested to check on Kuss Road, where a potential burial site had been located.
Upon arrival there K9 Brutus checked the area, and after passing the area upon entry in the wooded area, he gave a head check, returning to the location and gave his bark alert (ALERT #12) and seemed to be particularly interested in a shovel lying next to the disturbed earth.
We were cleared from that location, but returned a short time later to recheck the area. The shovel had been removed and was to be checked separately. Neither dog showed any interest on the shovel.
K9 Trace checked the wooded area first, and did not alert, but did show interest, increased animation and high head checks.
Upon returning to the area a second time, K9 Brutus again barked and alerted near the area of disturbed earth.
We then returned to the Command Post and were asked to re-check the trailer belonging to Charles Avery, where there had been an alert a day prior (ALERT #9). At the exterior of the home, Brutus again barked at the door and scratched to enter the residence. K9 Trace also barked at the front door. Once inside the trailer, K9 Brutus proceeded to check the interior, alerting inside a bedroom at the bed and a pile of clothing. He was very agitated but no sense source was noticed.
On this date, we were able to orient our alerts and summarize the work of the last 2 days on a large map in the command post. This provided a better overview for our team leadership on areas that needed additional coverage. We were also better able to provide appropriate resources for assignment.
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On November 8, Julie with K9 Brutus and K9 Trace and Grace with K9 Cody responded to the scene arriving at noon. We were dispatched to xxx property on CTH Q just outside the village of Larrabee to check some ponds and a hunting club location. The 2 canine teams divided the area and worked a grid pattern, checking ponds, buildings and wooded areas with no alerts reported.
ReplyDeleteK9 Brutus was then sent to check the berm just west of Steven Avery's property. There was report of a suspicious looking pile of disturbed earth. Brutus showed no interest in pile, but did alert on a pile of brush and trash just west of the Avery residence (ALERT #13) and was very excited along the edge of the berm.
This excitement continued as we proceeded south along this ridge and he carefully checked brushy areas west of the Avery yard and along the edge of the salvage yard.
His behavior was noted by law enforcement personnel in the area, who indicated that mantrailing bloodhounds had also been interested in the same area.
Upon returning to the command post, we met with the Bloodhound handlers on scene and it was noted that both live scent dogs and Human Remains detection dogs had shown excessive interest in the ridge of land beginning behind Steven Avery's residence and running south to the corner of the salvage yard, where gravel conveyor is located.
This area seems to be of particular interest to the dogs although no scent source has been located in the area.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/8fjzor/the_das_callout_and_the_case_of_the_disappearing/dy5t1vy/
The DA's Callout and The Case of the Disappearing Car
ReplyDeleteby magilla39 in TickTockManitowoc
[–]dugdiggins
And remember JoshR's affidavit:
I [JR] was told by DOJ agents that they believed that Teresa Halbach's vehicle was driven to ... an intersection with a gravel road that ran northeast into the Avery property. They told me that they believed Halbach's vehicle turned northeast onto the gravel road and entered the Avery property at its southwest corner. It is my understanding that this theory was based on the work of scent tracking dogs. I also read and heard it from others that law enforcement stated that they believed that Teresa Halbach's vehicle was stored somewhere on Radandt's property before it was moved to the southeast corner of Avery property.
The DA's Callout and The Case of the Disappearing Car
by magilla39 in TickTockManitowoc
[–]dugdiggins
I wonder what the text under the yellow arrow says in the image.
Yes, this was brought to our attention on this excellent post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/8ffm2v/part_1_the_reconstructionist_pam_sturm_her/
Investigation Interview with Photographer Thomas P 09-07-2017
ReplyDeleteself.MakingaMurderer
by InHosName-Amen
On Thursday, 09/07/17 at 1035 hours, I (Special Inv. JOHN DEDERING of the CALUMET COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT) made phone contact with THOMAS E. P., DOB xx/xx/xx, regarding this matter.
I specifically asked THOMAS about any damage to the left front area of TERESA H. RAV4 and whether he could recall TERESA having a key that would remotely unlock the doors to the RAV4. THOMAS indicated he does not believe he and TERESA ever discussed the broken or missing directional.
THOMAS indicated he did not recall anything about the key fob, other than it was on a long cord. THOMAS thought that the key was on the long cord for as long as TERESA owned the vehicle.
I asked THOMAS who he was referring to in his Affidavit when he mentioned the fact that TERESA had been in an abusive relationship in college. THOMAS indicated that he was not sure but thought perhaps RYAN HILLEGAS was the individual mentioned in the Affidavit.
THOMAS stated TERESA had once made reference to the fact that RYAN had been abusive, but he could not tell me whether TERESA had made reference to the fact that RYAN had been physically abusive.
THOMAS went on to indicate that one of TERESA's girlfriends had gotten married and the girlfriend wanted TERESA to do the photography for her wedding. THOMAS stated TERESA advised him that she did not want to do the photography for the wedding because of the fact that RYAN H. was standing up in the wedding. THOMAS stated he subsequently did the photo shoot for the wedding instead of TERESA.
On 09/22/17, I subsequently met with THOMAS at his residence to ask some follow-up questions. I arrived at the THOMAS residence at 0941 hours. I recognized THOMAS from previous contacts with him in 2005. I first had THOMAS review the Affidavit, which he had provided to JAMES K.. THOMAS indicated that the Affidavit I had provided to him was the same Affidavit he had sworn to on 04/21/17. THOMAS indicated that a notary was with JAMES K. at the time THOMAS signed the Affidavit. THOMAS went on to indicate that TERESA would sometimes get phone calls, which TERESA would find disturbing. THOMAS stated he suspected RYAN as being the source of the call, however, he could not confirm this. THOMAS stated, at one point, TERESA stated RYAN was
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CALUMET COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT Complaint No. LCA17-009022 Page 8
ReplyDeleteabusive. THOMAS stated he did not know if the abuse that TERESA spoke about was physical or verbal. THOMAS stated that one time two of TERESA's friends were getting married and RYAN H. was going to be in the wedding party. THOMAS indicated TERESA stated she did not want to do the photography for the wedding due to the fact that RYAN was going to be in the wedding party. THOMAS recalled that he did the photo shoot for the wedding and that there was drug use "marijuana smoking" during the time the photo shoot took place.
THOMAS stated he never saw any signs of injury or bruising on TERESA during the time he knew her. THOMAS then indicated that TERESA had made comments about an ex-boyfriend and THOMAS thought this could have been RYAN H. THOMAS indicated TERESA never mentioned RYAN by name.
THOMAS stated there was another young lady, AERIAL C., who worked at PEARCE PHOTOGRAPHY during the same time TERESA was employed. THOMAS stated AERIAL had befriended TERESA during their employment at PEARCE PHOTOGRAPHY. THOMAS indicated that he speaks with AERIAL quite frequently, but he does not know where she resides. THOMAS stated AERIAL was in the Air Force, married another Air Force person and is living out of state. THOMAS stated AERIAL and her husband are "out west somewhere" at a large Air Force base. THOMAS stated AERIAL's brother and sisters had come into his business for senior photographs and that he is close with AERIAL's family.
I asked THOMAS if he recalled mentioning an abusive boyfriend of TERESA's to Inv. MARK WIEGERT or myself at the time that we interviewed him in November, 2005. THOMAS stated he did not recall mentioning the abusive boyfriend at that time.
THOMAS indicated that he wondered about an emergency kit he gave TERESA as a Christmas gift.
THOMAS indicated it was a large plastic kit with a reflective triangle on the side. THOMAS stated the triangle lights up and is reflective and that there were jumper cables and other items in the kit that would be useful if a vehicle broke down. THOMAS stated TERESA always kept the kit in the back of her vehicle and he had no idea where it went.
THOMAS indicated TERESA told him that she was going to leave AUTO TRADER right around Halloween and that TERESA told her AUTO TRADER clients about this. THOMAS stated this was approximately two to three weeks before TERESA went missing.
Toward the end of my contact with THOMAS, he disclosed that he had been diagnosed "about one month ago" with Alzheimer's disease. THOMAS stated his father died at age 50 from the disease. THOMAS stated he had been noticing episodes of confusion for some time and attributed it to the stress that he was under due to his wife having an aneurism and a stroke.
CALUMET COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT Complaint No. LCA17-009022 Page 9
THOMAS then went onto indicate that his wife's health issues were not recent and stated he thought that perhaps her health issues had taken place while TERESA was still alive. THOMAS indicated that he and his wife spent a considerable amount of time at UW-Madison Hospital during this period but could not recall the date or year when his wife's illness had taken place.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/90j3nm/investigation_interview_with_photographer_thomas/
The follow-up investigation into the murder of Teresa Halbach by Calumet County Sheriff’s Department, begun in the August of 2017, consists of interviews conducted by Special Inv. John Dedering of 18 individuals both directly and indirectly involved in the original investigation throughout 2005/06.
ReplyDeleteDedering interviewed Halbach’s former work colleague Thomas Pearce on September 7th, 2017. During Pearce’s interview he gave further indications that Hillegas had been abusive towards Halbach, albeit not necessarily in a physical way. Pearce also alluded to the fact that Halbach had asked him to take on a wedding photo-shoot that involved Hillegas—one that she didn’t wish to photograph due to Hillegas being present.
Perhaps of as much importance as the questions that have been asked since CCSD’s follow-up investigation began, are the questions that appear not to have been asked. Although Dedering presented Hillegas with phone records from the Oct. 31st through Nov. 5th—to which Hillegas indicated that, “[t]oo much time had passed for him to review the telephone records and recall with any certainty his whereabouts”—he made no mention of the 22 no caller ID calls received by Hillegas in the space of 4 hours on November 4th. While it is understandable that Hillegas recollection of specific calls might be hard to remember, it seems far less likely that he wouldn’t remember 22 related calls over the space of such a short time period. More importantly however is why the specific question was not asked?
https://criminaljusticereformjournal.com/2018/07/20/are-the-right-questions-being-asked-in-follow-up-investigation-into-steven-avery-case/amp/?__twitter_impression=trueInvestigation
With the cell tower data, assuming that the allegedly-inculpatory information was utilized by the prosecution, it just seems like a lot was left on the table.
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Nice. What I don't get is why the location of towers corresponding to these IDs wasn't clarified right from the start, a key trial document?? I know the tower doesn't necessarily correspond to where the caller was, because sometimes a tower will pass the signal through another tower I gather (not so much in less built-up busy areas maybe?). But still??
[–]Daddy23Hubby21[S]
I suspect that this will get downvoted, but personally, I think it's entirely possible that defense counsel didn't fully understand the cell tower and voice mail information.
[–]87mave
I don't think even the provider understood the voicemail data fully
[–]Daddy23Hubby21[S]
Agreed. IIRC, a store manager was somehow qualified as an "expert."
[–][deleted]
The internet was not even in the same Galaxy in 2006/2007 as it is now when it comes to identifying things that are not widely published public information. Forums have essentially connected the general public to those working in every field there is. If you called the cell company back then and asked where those towers were, they probably would not have told you, nor would they today. But if you went and registered on some forum dealing with the Telecom industry (I'm sure there is one in some form or there), and posted the question. Someone on there would probably have the answers at his fingertips and share it with you as it is not proprietary information...
[–]Daddy23Hubby21[S]
Attorneys then could have subpoenaed information from the cell provider, just like they could do now.
[–][deleted]
Yes, they could have, but that is not the point.
The goal is to target your subpoenas to get information that confirms what you already know/suspect. Its risky to just subpoena documents that are 50/50 on whether or not they are beneficial or damning to your defense.
[–]Daddy23Hubby21[S]
Arguably, an explanation of the cell tower information would not have been beneficial or damning, but rather just informative. Regardless, as defense counsel, they had an ethical duty to understand the implications of the cell tower information. If that meant having an expert explain it to them, so be it. If that meant obtaining records from a third party, so be it. If they didn't understand the information, there was no excuse for that regardless of what year it was.
[–][deleted]
Hence my original comment, it's alot easier to get that info "explained" to them these days without even calling anyone or going anywhere. They probably did not have to time chase down many things that they could have, because 10 years ago, information on technical processes was not as widely available as it is now.
[–]Daddy23Hubby21[S]
That information could've been explained by an expert. Experts - and databases/lists of experts - were available to attorneys then, although admittedly not to the extent they are now. Regardless, if they couldn't find or didn't have time to track down an expert, they had a duty to obtain the information from another source.
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ReplyDeleteDuty does not encompass everything in which one could possibly accomplish. There is always more digging that can be done, but there were MUCH larger issues that they faced at trial, and to start nitpicking about every little potential thing that could have been done is pointless. I do not think anyone could try and claim SA did not receive an adequate defense. Adequate isn't always enough though. Alternatively, look at OJ, with enough money, you can buy enough lawyers, and enough hours, that you can spin a yarn forever even if you are stone cold, dead to right, guilty as all hell. In SA's case where I see tons of reasonable doubt as to the validity of efficacy of the defenses case, he would have walked, guaranteed, if he had unlimited funds to hire more lawyers, experts, etc... But he was more than adequately defended, to criticize his attorneys is really short sighted. If the Cell data exonerates him, well hindsight is 20/20, but his attorneys still did their jobs...
[–]Daddy23Hubby21[S]
For reasons that I (and others) have discussed in more detail in other comments, I disagree with most of what you wrote. The best criminal defense attorney I know (who, over the course of a three-year period ending about three years ago, represented more than 85% of the homicide defendants in a nearby metropolitan county) thinks that SA's representation at trial - particularly that provided by Buting - was, at best, on the lower end of competent. I got out of the "criminal" game long before working my way up to trying homicide cases. From what I've seen and read, though, I think "competent" is an accurate description of the representation he received, although the handling of the cell tower data and the blood vial were borderline.
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By "it", I assume you are referring to "knowledge", and I thank you for the compliment, but when did I say anything about the technology regarding the Telecom industry or cell tower/phone operations changing?
My comment pertains to how widely available information is now compared to 10 years ago and how relatively easy it is to get answers to tech questions in obscure areas. The primary driver of this is forums and the incredible wealth of knowledge that has been amassed online in tech forums.
[–]Daddy23Hubby21[S]
An attorney in 2005 could've obtained the information from Cingular, from another expert, from a textbook, or from some other source. Regardless of how hard they would've had to work to acquire the information, they had a duty to do so. I've ready plenty of medical textbooks and observed numerous medical school classes in preparation for deposing doctors, and I'm sure most litigation attorneys have done far more than that. "It was too hard to find" just isn't a good excuse here.
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haha, yeah, so spend 3 or 4 days trying to track down experts, and all this information on something you have no clue of whether or not it will help you. Do you have ANY clue how much work goes into preparation of a murder trial? I could find at least 100 other tangents equally as potentially valuable as what we are talking about here, and if they tried to break down every technical aspect, find experts, etc, they would have needed a team of 5 lawyers, 10 paralegals, and about 5 million dollars to prepare this case and "cover all the base" as you would have liked them too.
That is so impractical its just downright silly.
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[–]Daddy23Hubby21[S]
ReplyDeletehaha, yeah, so spend 3 or 4 days trying to track down experts, and all this information on something you have no clue of whether or not it will help you.
Three or four days? Why? In most firms - even small ones - they wouldn't have spent three or four seconds finding the expert. That task would've been assigned to a secretary or a paralegal. A competent secretary or paralegal likely would've had several experts identified within minutes, but certainly within an hour or two.
Do you have ANY clue how much work goes into preparation of a murder trial?
Personally, I have more experience preparing for professional malpractice and police misconduct trials, the former of which are arguably more "complex" than most murder trials. I have, however, spoken about this case with an acquaintance who is a well-known criminal defense attorney who has represented dozens and dozens of homicide defendants. I based my comment on my personal experience and what I learned from him. On what do you base your opinion regarding the amount of work that goes into preparing for a murder trial?
if they tried to break down every technical aspect, find experts, etc, they would have needed a team of 5 lawyers, 10 paralegals, and about 5 million dollars to prepare this case ...
On what do you base this opinion? It certainly wouldn't have taken any one attorney more than an hour or three. If it took a single paralegal 3 or 4 days of steady work to identify potential experts, he or she would be fired. If it took 10 paralegals that long, the only way they'd avoid being fired would be to unionize.
Medical experts routinely charge us between $350/hr and $1,000/hr for record review, deposition preparation, consultation, deposition/trial testimony, etc. (and yes, I have seen doctors charge more). Cell tower experts in 2005 almost certainly charged far less. I've never been involved in a case where a medical expert I've hired was paid more than $75,000.00. Given the limited nature of the discussion that would've been required to learn about the implications of the available cell tower data, I find it highly unlikely that defense counsel would've spent $25,000, and more likely that they would've spent about $5,000.00. Given the potential implications, even without the benefit of hindsight, that seems like it would've been a worthwhile investment.
To someone who presumably has no knowledge of that which they speak (i.e., you), these things may seem "impractical" and "downright silly." To me (and probably to others who try cases for a living), it's your dismissive response that seems "downright silly."
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I haven't read all that testimony but on direct by Kratz it sounds like they're claiming their witness (edit: Ms Dohrwardt) doesn't even know the cell tower locations?? (regarding Exhibit 361, Cingular report, edit: and she's from Cellcom??)
What I can say about these records is that communication between the phone and some cell site, which I can't convert, because I don't have a chart to tell what these numbers mean
Edit: Hmm do get impression Kratz was trying to pull the wool over their eyes, by asking the Cellcom witness about cell sites (by which he seems to mean cell tower locations) but not the Cingular witness. And when Buting starts to ask the Cingular witness, he objects, is eager to stipulate to a part of it to get away from the whole issue, then they end up in a sidebar or something for ages, then Buting never goes back to it afaik....
[–]disguisedeyes
That's pretty damning of Kratz, if true. I'm excited to see what KZ digs up re: cell towers.
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[–]Daddy23Hubby21[S]
ReplyDeleteI got the impression that defense counsel, and perhaps the prosecution as well, would've had no idea if the wool (with respect to the cell tower and voice mail info) was/would have been pulled over their eyes.
[–]addlepated
I'm confused about something. If she went to Schmitz's at 1:30 and was there for 15 minutes or so, then the 1:52 call on tower 21103 should be near Schmitz's house, right? Then the very last cell ping was on tower 21101. So that would have been the same tower, right? The first time she was west of it, and the second time she was north of it. But it seems like it would have been significantly southwest of the Avery and Zipperer places - that is, if the cell data is at all accurate.
[–]Daddy23Hubby21[S]
I've had female friends who let their exes "cling" to them long after the romantic relationship ended. For better or worse, some of them have found it easier to speak with their exes and lie (only about their love life) than to speak with them and tell them the "whole" truth. Oftentimes the situation has resolved itself disastrously when the ex found out about the new guy in one manner or another. Fortunately, there haven't been any homicides, but there have been some nasty fights and bad blood. I can see him leaving a voice mail or asking what she was doing that night, and her calling him to "regretfully" inform him that she was going to bed, not feeling well, etc. Czech is the more likely scenario, but who knows.
As far as I know, there is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim that a fight between RH and Czech took place that night (or any other night for that matter).
[–]Anniebananagram
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlyBVBJKTeM
Wow. Just listened to the phone call and there is what sounds like splicing at the 2:40 mark right in the sentence that mentions the call at 2:27.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/4ae2hr/opinionspeculation_teresa_halbachs_home_icell/
WHERE IS TOWER 2111 LOCATED?
WHERE WAS THE WEDDING ON 10/29?
Maybe Ryan knew about a tumultuous relationship that Teresa had at the time and he was stalking her because he was "concerned" about her whereabouts.
ReplyDeleteRyan was quoted in college newspaper in 2002, answering the question: What scares you the most? His answer: "Women because they're evil."
How long had it been since Ryan and Teresa's relationship ended? The answer to that question right there would have been extremely important information that would be relevant to the case...and to explain the meeting on the 30th at her home.
Recent ex shows up to give something to the roommate on the 30th, tries to pry info from her on her comings and goings...she possibly gives him false info. He checks up on her...sees she lied to him...motive.
Ryan told a newspaper at the time he was at her house and she was dressed up as a cowgirl to go to a Halloween party with her family. He then said he called her on Tuesday to ask about the party.
Thing is, in court, and the story he stuck to mainly was that he was over there dropping stuff off for her roommate and she was sitting at her computer. No mention of Halloween costume or anything.
There is also mention in the newspaper at the time of a friend who said she was at a Halloween party together with Teresa who was dressed up as a cowgirl. I think Teresa was lying to Ryan and/or Ryan found out about the party.
In any case, it's odd to not remember what time of the day it was when you saw her dressed up in a cowgirl costume.
Link for anyone who's interested: http://www.milwaukeemag.com/2006/05/01/blood-simple/
"On the Sunday before she disappeared, Hillegas ran into Teresa at a friend’s house. Halbach told him she planned to join her family at a bar in Appleton for a Halloween party. She was dressed as a cowgirl.
On Tuesday, Hillegas called to ask Halbach about the party. Her voicemail box was full. “Which was weird for someone with a business,” he says. “She’s not the kind of person who would just take off and not call.”
By Thursday, he knew something was wrong. With the help of a friend, he went to Teresa’s house, fired up her computer and printed out a list of names and phone numbers of everyone she knew. The search was on."
Note that I've tried e-mailing the author of this story (I've posted the e-mail in another comment) to determine where he got some of this information (which totally contradicts some of the information given by Ms. Sturm), and have yet to hear back from him.
Proving he knew the password and username would prove he lied under oath.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3y0wg9/main_thread_for_mike_halbach_and_ryan_hillegas/