Tuesday, September 25, 2018

The Porn and Poached Deer, and the Sikikey Letter, Were Used to Blackmail Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych?



Scott Tadych was working third shift at an aluminium foundry when Teresa Halbach went missing.

"Untrained law enforcement officer" Ryan Hillegas wrote the Sikikey letter to help blackmail Scott Tadych into cooperating with the framing of Steven Avery.


Note: You don’t need to call the police when you hit a deer. You can do a self report. The form is available on the internet. Also you don’t need a police report to make an insurance claim. The damage is obvious and the claims examiner sees plenty of deer hit in this area. A false claim would be easy to see. Also, with sheriff’s resources spread very thin, they don’t necessarily have time to respond to every deer hit in Wisconsin.



The deer that Bobby Dassey claimed was "road kill" on 11/3 and which he tagged on the morning of 11/4 could not have been the deer reportedly killed on HWY 147 near Jambo Creek Road at 7:30 PM on 11/4.

There was a lot of activity on the Avery property the morning of November 4th. Bobby was pretty busy removing the deer from the hanger in his garage, placing the deer in his truck, driving to Mobile on WI-310 to get the deer tagged, coming back, hanging up the deer again in his garage... and all these activities were done at the same time as Remiker and Lenk were doing their "friendly" search of Steven's trailer, inside and outside.

Barb's version: deer gutted on roadside, taken home, skinned together with Bobby in garage.

Bobby's version: skinned deer with Mike Osmunson, Steven showed up -- there was the joke about "helping get rid of a body."

The reason the deer story ever came up had to do with the Mike Osmunson story that Bobby told at trial, in which he said Mike was over to help with or see the deer, that Steven came to the garage also to see the deer, asked Mike about helping to hide a body. Bobby says this occurred on 11/3, before he knew Teresa was missing. Mike says it was 11/10, which was the only time he says he was in Bobby's garage during that time. But Mike didn't testify; what they have is his statement, apparently. Strang points out that it couldn't have been 11/10 because Steven was arrested on 11/9. Steven says, in an affidavit, that it was 11/4, and that it was Mike who asked if Steven was hiding a body.

In Barb's version of the deer story, Bobby called up the MTSO about claiming the deer. Wouldn't that be on dispatch records? 

Why does Barb feel the need to include herself in this story as such an active participant? She stands nothing to gain by having us believe she was actively participating in chopping us this roadkill deer.

 There should be no reason for Barb to include herself in this. Bobby never tells her version of the story. There has to be something to it.

Barb, in her statement on 11/6, says the deer was hit and she saw it on her way home from work; she "thinks it was 11/3." It was dark, she said. She asked Bobby if he wanted to claim the deer, and they went to get it, got a tag at the 310 Mobile, hung the deer up in the garage, skinned it, and removed only tenderloins that night. This all happened the same evening/night, according to Barb, which she "thinks" was 11/3. 

Barb "thinks" it was 11/3 but says the deer tag would show the correct date. Well, the deer tag shows 11/4, and Bobby says he got the tag the next morning, 11/4, not that night. Bobby said he skinned the deer when he brought it back home, and that Mike was over that night; he doesn't mention his mother being involved.

Hunters leave deer hanging more than a day (unless it's very warm), with hide left on, but Barb would have us believe they gutted a roadkill deer on the side of the road, in the dark, and, on that same night, skinned the deer and chopped it up.

Bobby said he got the deer on 11/3, tagged it at the 310 Mobile the morning of 11/4, took the deer back home, rehung it, and scun it out.

The deer hanging in the Dassey garage had to have been skinned and butchered by 11/4, like Bobby says, because LE commandeered the Avery property starting on the morning of 11/5.

There is a call from the Dassey phone to MTSO on 11/4 for the deer hit by a car at 7:30 PM on 11/4. But this roadkill deer could not be the deer Bobby had hanging in his mother's garage the day before.

Bobby Dassey's testimony:

Q. And I want to be clear about that, even though your mom had called about the tag, you actually took the deer to get it tagged? 

A. Yes. 

Q. Because she was off to work on a Friday morning? 

A. Yes. 

Q. November 4 was Friday? 

A. Yes. 

Q. Now, you bring the deer back and you have the deer tagged, I assume, right? 

A. Yes. 

Q. What did you do with the deer at that point? 

A. I hung it up again and scun it out.

The confusion and coverup of the deer may not be important to the case. Bobby may just be covering up the fact that he has not tagged a deer he hunted, as is required by nearly every state. You are technically required to purchase the tag before hunting the animal. If you are found guilty of hunting an animal without a tag, then you are poaching.

Poaching laws are very strict. Some states will force you to forfeit your hunting license for 5-10 years, pay upwards of $5,000 in fines, and face jail time.

The truth most likely is: 

On 11/3/05, Bobby killed a deer while reportedly bow hunting for geese. And he claimed the roadkill deer on 11/4/05 to cover up the fact that he had poached the other deer on 11/3/05, which could lead to fines and loss of his hunting privileges. Note that it's very rare for people to process any animal hit by vehicles because most of the meat is unusable due to being bloodshot (bruising).
Deer poachers fined over $20,000, lose hunting, fishing and trapping privileges for many years 
News Release Published: October 4, 2006 by the South Central Region 
DARLINGTON - Three southwest Wisconsin men and a fourth from Iowa involved in deer poaching-related violations late last year must pay a total of $20,612 in fines resulting from two Department of Natural Resources investigations. Three also lost their hunting, fishing and trapping privileges for a combined total of 25 years. 
The Lafayette County Circuit Court assessed the significant fines and loss of outdoor privileges, along with jail sentences, probation and confiscation of weapons during sentencing on Sept. 20 for the four men who violated many of the state's deer hunting regulations and "endangered the safety of Lafayette County residents in the process," said DNR conservation warden Jeffrey King, Darlington. 
Fleeing from a Lafayette County Sheriff's Deputy led to the arrest of Adam M. Bussan, of Dubuque, IA, and Michael V. Thoma, of rural Platteville, both 21. Warden King had received complaints about deer being shot with small caliber rifles in the vicinity of Belmont Mound State Park. 
[...] 
Later that night, warden King and warden Frost caught two suspects near Blackhawk Road in Monticello Township, Lafayette County. By night's end, the wardens seized several deer from two homes and Duane A. Heim, 33, of Shullsburg and Anthony L. Mau, 31, of rural Benton eventually faced a total of 41 civil and criminal charges for deer poaching. 
Mr. Heim was convicted of shining wild animals in Jan. 2005 and currently revoked from all hunting, fishing and trapping until 2008. He was convicted on Sept. 20 of hunting after revocation, borrowing/possessing another person's deer hunting license, hunting deer without a license and possessing illegal deer. He was fined $5,888, sentenced to two years probation, lost the firearm and bow used to poach deer, and had his lost of outdoor privileges extended through 2013. 
Mr. Mau was convicted of hunting deer without a license and possessing illegal deer. He was fined $4,0444, sentenced to nine months in jail, lost all his outdoor privileges through 2015 and the firearm used to poach deer. 
"Some of the deer in this case were shot from the road off private property where the suspects had no permission to be," said warden King. 
"In both cases, human safety and hunter ethics, or the lack there of, were significant issues and at the heart of the problem. With liberal seasons and nearly unlimited harvest opportunities in Lafayette County, there is no excuse for this behavior," he added. 
Warden King encourages citizens and sportsmen and women to report unethical and illegal behavior to the DNR violation hotline at 1-800-TIP-WDNR.


MTSO CAD system creates timestamps for all incidents electronically. Notice the difference in the MTSO CAD reports above for September 2004 and the one printed in 2018 for November 2005. The one printed in 2018 is in a different format and appears to be falsified. Plus, there should have been MTSO radio dispatch audio for 11/4/2005, but none was provided when requested via FOIA (there are dispatch narratives for November 4th but no corresponding dispatch audio traffic from that day).




When Teresa Halbach disappeared, Bobby Dassey worked 10 PM to 6 AM, third shift, at Fisher Hamilton, 1316 18th St, Two Rivers, WI.

The Dassey computer was used to access the internet on October 31, 2005 at 6:05 AM, 6:28 AM, 6:31 AM, 7:00 AM, 9:33 AM, 10:09 AM, 1:08 PM, and 1:51 PM (source).

Bobby's phone records show he was on or near the Avery property at 6:12 AM on October 31st (if he arrived home early from work, it would mean that he clocked out before his shift ended at 6 AM).

Excerpts from the CASO file:
"DASSEY indicated he stayed home until 2330 hours on 10/31/05 and then left for work at HAMILTON MANUFACTURING." 
"We subsequently learned that DUANE OSMUNSON worked at the FISHER HAMILTON plant on Columbia Street in the Two Rivers area. Upon checking with the Columbia Street plant, we learned that Mr. OSMUNSON was on vacation." 
"We went over his activities to the best of his recollection on Monday, 10/31/05. He stated that he arrived home from work at approximately 0630 hrs (It should be noted that DASSEY was employed at FISHER HAMILTON in Two Rivers at this time) and went to bed. He stated that he got up between 1400 and 1430 hrs., got into the shower and went bow hunting. He stated he arrived home somewhere approximately 1730 hrs. and that it was dark out already. He stated he did not recall who was home when he arrived, but thought perhaps BRENDAN was. He stated that when he arrived home, he went straight to bed and did not eat. He stated he got up at approximately 2100 hrs., got ready for work and once again did not eat." 
[-] Moonborne11

> I am still confused as to why Kratz didn’t charge bobby with viewing child porn and broadcast the news state wide to further damage Avery’s and Brendan’s reputation.

The porn was used to keep Bobby silent. He was SA's alibi---he saw her leave. That's why Factbender kept the CD.

If Kratz had publicized it, Bobby, most likely, would have told the truth.

ETA: Withholding Denny evidence also helped Kratz.

[-] Kayki7

In all honesty, LE would have had a better case against BoD than BD......so why didn’t they go with BoD and SA instead of BD and SA......you have to wonder.

[–]DominantChord

As said by another here: They needed BoD to place TH going towards SA trailer. BD was in school at that time.

[-] khall122264

The only conclusion I can come up with about the child porn and Bobby is that maybe he was promised the computer evidence would disappear if he would testify to Kratz narrative of what happened.



[–]Colorado_love

Oh that’s absolutely what Kratz did.

They found it, knew who was responsible and hid it, as long as Bobby Dassey said what Kratz told him to.

Kratz came up with the entire narrative. From start to finish.

They NEVER counted on Zellner. They never counted on Making A Murderer having the effect it did.

They thought they were golden...Factbender kept the evidence in his office for how long? Now we all know why.

How this isn’t national news and being discussed all over the place is beyond me.

[–]karmalizing

Definite possibility. Also, I think the "Sikikey" letter is Bobby trying to throw ST under the bus.

[-] Newthingstobeseen

Interesting idea. Never seen that suggestion. I’m usually all about English Language learner or immigrant with sikikey but after reading his chats and the way he wrote, it is a possible theory.



[–]Mr_Precedent

IF Scott was tricked (Sikikey letter) into thinking that SA was guilty and trying to frame HIM, I can understand him being thrilled when SA was convicted.

[–]annies999

Unless the act led to direct physical sexual contact with an under-aged victim, the time-limit is 6 years. However, should the Fed's investigate the State's malfeasance regarding this issue and out of that decide to investigate the child porn then there is no federal time-limit for child pornography.

[–]Colorado_love

From what I’ve read they will prosecute CP crimes at the state level IF that state’s punishment is harsher than the federal punishment. Otherwise they prosecute at the federal level, afaik.

[–]Grassroots112

My theory is that they used it to get BoD to comply and become state witness and then kept it as an insurance policy just in case he ever come clean and that’s why he was recently questioned by LE following KZ’s acquisition of the CDs [see video below]. During that questioning he will have no doubt been threatened to stick to the original story...

Why they didn’t bring BoD into the narrative as an accomplice to SA as they eventually did with Brendan doesn’t quite make sense as it seemed a golden opportunity.

Again another theory of mine as to why that didn’t happen is that BoD could be heavily linked or involved with the so-called Club through ST and hunting or have strong ties through other things.

New expensive cars, new expensive houses, well paid job etc. Could that be the work of a network of powerful people who can pull strings and open doors for someone like BoD who given his low level of intellect and education wouldn’t otherwise be able to afford or quite pull off?

Either way that CD or CDs were an insurance policy against someone or some people.

[–]Umbopus

I doubt he changed much.

The abusive way he treated girls online, he no doubt treats his wife the same way. The way he immediately lied when called on his behaviour, I’m sure he’s a proficient pathological liar now. A penchant for vulgarity and perversion, those things don’t go away. If that Duggar brother was on Ashley Madison, you don’t think someone like BoD is out there satisfying his desires?

Leopards don’t change their spots. These things we’ve learned are very clear signs of being a psychopath or at least a sociopath. Whatever his life looks like from the outside, there’s no way the person we saw through his computer data went away.

If he did kill Teresa and even if he hasn’t killed again, I just can’t see how he isn’t living some kind of terrible double life.


Audio of Bobby Dassey's 2017 Interview on Youtube

Bobby's Cell Tower Maps * Maps Here * Exhibit 16
By seekingtruthforgood, TickTockManitowoc
July 12, 2018

Here are the cell tower maps for Bobby's calls (Exhibit 15) from the CD for Exhibit 16 of the "Motion for post-conviction Relief, July 6, 2018.".

Map 1: Map showing distances between Kuss Rd. and nearby Cellcom towers

https://imgur.com/2iayaqL

Map 2: Map showing distances between Cellcom towers and hunting spot

https://imgur.com/K1kUNeI

The two links are the images from Exhibit 16. They were ordered from the circuit court following the filing.

Bobby used to live in Whitelaw. And, that hunting cabin on 147 belongs to someone who lived in Whitelaw. Makes me wonder whether Bobby had a friend still in that area. Also, Earl lives in Whitelaw, he's the guy with two pedophilia felonies, so he's still on my radar.



Cell Tower Tracks for Teresa & Bobby and Scott's Hunting Location
By seekingtruthforgood, TickTockManitowoc
July 12, 2018

Now that we have Bobby's cell tower map from Avery's new motion (exhibit 16,) for me, anyway, a couple of questions are answered, and I think I have a better handle on Teresa's track on October 31.

Included is the link to a map I created which shows my opinion of locations for Bobby, Teresa and Scott based on the combination of the tower ID's provided in exhibit 16, the respective sectors shown in the cell call histories, and statements of Bobby, Blaine and Scott, assuming some of it was truthful.

https://imgur.com/X4S5xPr

Note the following:

Here is a link to two types of tower configurations: AT&T and BellSouth. Notice they are different. My map of the towers, based on the sectors shown in the records, assumes that AT&T is the configuration of the towers on the west side of this area and BellSouth is the configuration on the east side. I have tried several scenarios - these two configurations actually line up perfectly now that we have Bobby's tower map with the exact addresses and sectors of the towers that he was pinging on.

https://imgur.com/g8nN9jg

Bobby and Steven's tower 3701 is in Mishicot.

Bobby and Steven's tower 3681 is down on 310.

I believe tower 3681 is the same tower as Teresa's tower 2110.

This is very important:

Tower 3681 (the same as Teresa's tower 2110) also services Avery's Salvage Yard.

You can see this with Bobby's history, but, more importantly, you can see it with Steve's:

https://imgur.com/qF6Lo8E
Scott reported he went hunting in Kewaunee. This is also very important because Scott reported he went there by going west on 147. Bobby reported he went east.

It actually looks like both first went west prior to 3:02 PM and THEN went east at roughly 3:40 PM, ran into Blaine, and headed north, making it into the Kewaunee cell tower area at 3:57 PM.

From there, Bobby tracked south and was pinging on the Two Rivers tower until 6:02 PM.

Teresa, traveling east on 310, went to Zips and then headed north to Avery's. She was leaving Avery's before 2:32, as she turned left toward Larabee and then headed back south on Q.

I have used Q as her route because law enforcement traveled Q, per the pilot on November 4, as they believed that was her route.

If the timing and towers are right, Teresa and Bobby were both in the same general area at 3:02 PM:

1. Teresa was in sector 1 of tower 2110, the Whitelaw tower, which also services the Avery property on the south side; and

2. Bobby was in sector 1 of tower 363, located south of Maribel.

If Scott was with Bobby, they were [close behind or] with Teresa prior to 3:02 PM, before they headed north to Kewaunee, to Scott's hunting location.

[–]seekingtruthforgood[S]

Cell tower stuff is not my forte - so my map is based on assumptions for Teresa.

For Bobby, I used the exhibit (16) and the sector layout that matches the sectors Avery and Bobby were pinging on when home.

So, both are on sector 1 of 370 when home and sometimes sector 1 of 386 when home.

So, the direction of the towers only works if both configurations are being used, and Cellcom is using a Omni-directional tower - I used those configurations because they match 368(1) and 370(1) at the yard.

And, if Teresa was not on the Mishicot tower, which is Bobby and Steve's home tower 370(1), can you clarify what tower she was on when she was pinging on 21923 and 21291? I'm confused on that part.

[–]CaseFilesReviewer

It's two different providers thereby two different IDs. TH used Cingular (now known as AT&T Mobile) whereby BoD & SA used CellCom (which uses Verzon's network).

[–]seekingtruthforgood[S]

I get that, but these towers often house antennas for multiple carriers. I am trying to clarify Teresa's tower location for 2192. If not the Mishicot tower, do you know which one that is?

[–]CaseFilesReviewer

On TH's cell logs, 2192 is Mishicot and 2110 is Whitelaw (I have the GPS positions of each, but not off the top of my head thereby I'd have to get back to you. On BoD's, CellCom's appears to represents Mishicot as 3701 and Whitelaw as 3681.

There aren't a bunch of towers in that area and I doubt either SA or BoD would paying roaming charges while at home. However, I've been unable to find any records of lease arrangements between CellCom & Cingular back in 05'. That's not to say one doesn't exist, it only means I've been unable to find.

[–]seekingtruthforgood[S]

Ok. Then I think we are are agreeing on this, except if I understand you correctly, you think Mishicot is an AT&T layout for sectors? That one throws me off because the AT&T layout from Mishicot puts the Salvage yard 100% in sector 3, with 147 staying in sector 3 or 2 if she headed south from an east area on 147. That is why the earlier BellSouth/Cingular layout seemed to made more sense to me.

[–]JLWhitaker

Your comparison of the computer times and the cell tower pings in the MORNING before 7am are very interesting.

Did Bobby work Sunday night/Monday morning? Where is his job site?

If that wasn't him on the computer early Monday morning, who was it?

Then there are the around 1pm ones. Yes, Bobby was home. But remember, SA said he also saw ST's truck there around midday.

Possible it was ST on the computer [Scott did his laundry at Barb's house]?

Note the calls right next to each other at 3.56 and 3.57. Where is tower 370?

[-] magiclougie

Also possible that it was Bobby who left in Scott's green Ford Ranger around 12:30 PM, and it was Scott who left in Bobby's black Chevy Blazer just before or after Teresa left, around 2:35 PM.

[–]seekingtruthforgood[S]

Tower 370 is the same as 3701 (sector 1) in Mishicot. That is where it's located per exhibit 16.

In terms of tower sharing and roaming - these towers would have been capable of handling multiple carriers and roaming agreements. I picked up on that once I saw the map because the tower locations are virtually the same as all of the tower locations that are loaded on my Google Earth - these towers appear to service multiple carriers and have roaming agreements.

These guys are servicing the same population, so they lay out their agreements by density - everyone needs to service the same density. Here's a good article on it.

https://www.towerleases.com/cell-phone-towers-shared-carriers-towers/

BellSouth, interestingly, was part of Cingular as of 2000. So, the BellSouth and AT&T layouts make a lot of sense in this area. 

Here is a source that explains the relationship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BellSouth_Mobility

Tower 2110 is not the same as 363. It is the same as 368.

Bobby was on 363 because he was west or north of the line of sector 1 for 368. It's a really fine line there.

We can see that because Steve and Bobby both are on 368 sometimes, even when they are at home, which is their normal 370 tower - 368, in my opinion, is the southwest quadrant of the Salvage Yard.

Teresa would have been in that quadrant. We can see it when following her back south on Q from Larrabee. 

In my opinion, if Bobby followed her, or she followed him to, let's say, take a picture at some spot he arranged with her at 1:51 -- he followed her until just after her last call at 2:41/2:42 and then headed west, putting him in sector 1 of 363 at 3:01.

We don't know whether Teresa's phone moved into that tower because it didn't receive any calls after 2:42.

This is all just based on my opinion. I'm only absolutely right on Bobby's tower locations because it was submitted to the court as exhibit 16. But, Teresa's locations match right up once we see the towers - there are not many others in the area, no matter the carrier. 

I think I only found 1 or 2 that are not on this map - so, the towers are shared by the carriers.
[–]seekingtruthforgood[S]

Teresa's phone, as I understand it, had capabilities for multiple types of towers.

Cingular capabilities included GSM plus CDMA....

[–]JLWhitaker

The Motorola Razr 3V is only GSM. No CDMA. 

https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_v3-853.php

https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=547

The multiple bands are so it can work in other countries. Open the More Info in the Modes section of the link above.

[–]seekingtruthforgood[S]

Makes sense. I must have misunderstood.

 Interesting is that 2 more AT& T/ BellSouth towers are down there and would also line up on sectors. 

So her track wouldn't change if she followed Q as law enforcement indicated. 

The tower that seems most important to me is that Mishicot tower that Zellner has now identified as a Cellcom tower. It would need to have GSM and CDMA because according to Google, Cellcom is CDMA.

[–]seekingtruthforgood[S]

Exhibit 16 was posted here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/8y5wby/bobbys_cell_tower_maps_maps_here_exhibit_16/?utm_source=reddit-android

[–]magilla39

Also note that there can be multiple sets of electronics on the same physical tower.

[–]seekingtruthforgood[S]

I don't think that Mishicot tower is Teresa's anymore. 

I found the prior 2006 images here in TTM. At that time, it looks like it only had one directional antenna. 

If Zellner's exhibit is right, seems like it only serviced Cellcom or CDMA.

This also makes sense as to why Steven's phone switched over from 370 to 368 quite a bit. It looks like that cell tower wasn't very powerful. That strikes me as being a bit problematic for Zellner's theory on Bobby's locations though. If the Mishicot range is limited to the west/northwest, that means it would not be the likely tower for Scott's place.

The other thing I noticed, that could keep this water tower in play, is that, this tower seems to have been painted between May 2005 and that 2006 image. If that was the case, could have some of the antennas been removed during spring 2006 as it was prepped for painting? It seemed to go from blue to white in the satellite images. Not sure I guess, but I am now questioning that tower.

[–]magilla39

Zellner did do a tower survey and drive around with a Motorola phone just like Teresa's so she has a lot more data about that then we do.

Zellner had a map on her floor in a Newsweek article that gave the location of two towers. We also had photos showing that the sectors were not all set up in the standard directions.

[–]seekingtruthforgood[S]

The two towers shown in that Newsweek article exactly match the AT&T and BellSouth configurations I used in the map I posted. 

https://imgur.com/a/L0meWmp

https://imgur.com/X4S5xPr

Either of those towers could work for Teresa when going to Zips because she needs to be in sector 3 as she is headed to Zips and back in sector 1 when she is heading south at 2:42 (21103/21101.)

The Dassey map establishes that Avery's place (using 368x) is within reach from those Route 10/310 towers (but his tower, 368, is not one of those in the article image).

We need to still find the tower she was pinging on when headed to Avery's (21923/21921). If not Mishicot, there is another tower missing from this mix.

Zander Road

When they saw the cut to Steven's finger on Nov 4th and where able to find blood, either in his home, on a bloody rag from the Grand Am, or from a blood vial, they switched from framing him on Zander Road to ASY.

[–]TheEntity1

I believe someone was able to make a stretched connection between the address associated to TH's old fax number and a candy business that was located at the Zander Road address. However, the name of the person living at the "fax" location was slightly different than the name affiliated with the candy business, and I'm not sure it was the correct Zander Road address either.

Other than that, I believe Zander Road is close to some of the other suspicious connections in the case -- the strange burning smell that scared the cows, the German guy, etc. But I don't know that we have found a definitive connection to Zander Road. At this point, it was either an aborted attempt at a police plant, or just an innocuous sign that had nothing to do with this case.

[-] minnesotabadger

Also where the stolen Chevy Blazer was burned in a field.

[-] magiclougie

In September 2004, one of Barb's vehicles, a Chevy Blazer, was set on fire in a field at the intersection of Stangel Road and Zander Road (images below). Steven was the primary driver of the vehicle.



[-] SukItUp

Do you think they tried to frame Avery in 2004 before he filed the lawsuit and it got botched because someone called in the fire and the wrong officer responded before they had planted their evidence? Notice how JS's timeline of events doesnt match everyone else's that day. This would have been shortly after the domestic violence issue they had earlier in Sept 2004 and around the time Jodi was dealing with her OWIs from earlier that year. I may be over thinking things, it's just really odd how she seems to be dealing with legal issues around a lot of other key dates.

[–]7-pairs-of-panties

I think the 2004 thing with the Blazer was the first warning...setting it up for SA to look guilty toward the family. It was BJ's blazer. SA was the only other one who had the keys. The investigators didn't take ANY pics of the burnt Blazer and did not have any fire investigators on to the scene of this fire...sound familiar?

I think they were trying to tie the Zander Rd/Blazer burning to SA and were going to try to use that same site to tell the story of TH burning the same way so they planted the sign. Something changed along the way to make them disregard that story. (Remember they thought this was important...so important they took more pictures of the sign than they took of the bones.) It may have been the reports of the fire woosh, or SA talking with Jodi on the phone, or maybe even his own phone records or computer proving he didn't leave the property so they had to bring the crime to him. They didn't want any reasonable doubt so they tried to sure up the conviction with changing the location at the last minute.



[-] bennybaku [S]

My highly speculative theory is, the black Blazer could have been a warning. It was a month before the civil suit was filed.

[-] OpenMind4U

It's me again with references to old informative posts:)...sorry.

Here is very interesting image made by /u/abyssus_abyssum and used in discussion at HiveMind. Let's look image closer and read old post, if you may.

http://m.imgur.com/s7HklLi,Td0JKkO,dKC9OPg

Please compare above image to this handwritten note

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/exhibit-notepad.jpg

https://www.reddit.com/r/HiveMindMaM/comments/46d9w7/zellners_tweetdevils_river_zander_rd/

    So, if you'll accept the notion that SA handwriting on 'For Sale' sign (address and TH phone number) is the SAME handwriting as on 'Back to Patio' note then 'For Sale' sign was made by SA;

    If this sign was made by SA then he was trying to sell the car/or sold the car;

    If sign template was not provided by Autotrader then possibilities are: (a) SA got this 'for sale' template himself (in Walmart or whenever else place) or (b) ASY business had these signs and probably dealing/selling cars with other car advertising agencies while SA was in jail;

    Regardless where this 'For Sale' template comes from (SA bought it or ASY business have it), SA's handwriting on this sign...

...but why would he use 3302 Zander Rd??? And here are my thoughts:

    SA was selling the car for someone else related to Zander Rd or...

    someone asked SA to sell the car (for profit) which was located at Zander Rd or...????

Therefore, IMO, the answer is in ATM on page 114.

[–]What_a_Jem

Simple theory. Original crime scene was Zander Road. Someone wrote on the back of the sign, the address and Teresa's number as a direction. The plan had to change however, as Avery received two calls from Jodi hours apart, so couldn't have been at Zander Road that evening. No time or opportunity to get the sign back, so it was found.

Yet, no investigation, nor was it dealt with at trial. Zander Road is also where there was a foul smell reported the day after Teresa went missing.

[–]Ninjasleuth

This sign was a part of frame job #1 by party "A"

Frame job #2 was simultaneously going on by party "B"

I hope Zellner is on to both parties.

[–]Ninjasleuth

Simple solution. Somebody ask Steve where the sign came from.

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The address listed on Zander Road is the location near where the body of a thirty-two-year-old woman, Areerat Chuprevich from Thailand, was discovered in 2008. She had been missing since April 2003.

The Zander sign neatly tied the missing person to their main suspect (odd that they were already locked onto SA as a suspect) and provided law enforcement with their best (and likely only) lead for TH's possible whereabouts, yet they didn't send a single officer to see if she was at the Zander Road address. It simply defies logic. The only way it makes sense that they knew to not send a single investigator is that they planted the sign and knew that nothing would be found there yet. 

The photo with the Zander Road sign was staged later, after November 6th, when they got JoZ's statement and found two copies of an AT magazine they could plant at Zips and at Avery's. It wasn't investigated as a lead early because the sign wasn't there!

Note that in the before picture, the blue Autotrader magazine is in front of the keyboard, with the marker on top. In the after photo, the Autotrader mag has been moved aside to the right, in front of the printer, my guess is to clear space on the desk to write her phone number on it. There are too many hesitation marks in the number for it to be his writing IMO.

Why did the blue ribbon man use this on Brendan - because only Kratz knew it was a plant because he planted it!

Those mentions in the court transcript by KK are odd. It's like they started to attempt to put something together, or deflect something the defense was going to do, but nothing came of it. 

Yes, and remember they had sign at the blue ribbon meeting with BD? Seriously, this only proves they knew nothing and were trying to dig up more by using BD to make it significant. 

That's what I'm getting at: he could have sold Pontiac (the sign from 10/10), and had the sign laying around, and then used it as a handy memo pad on the back. 

But let's say he already had written her number on the bottom of that sheet. Then he grabs it from the desk to jot down the address so he can go look at the property later. Others say the phone number isn't there in the photos of the desk.

I think SA wrote the address and TH's phone number was added to the sign after LE commandeered ASY (I'm pointing my finger at KK, who inserted himself into the investigation).

I remember something about that, but I'm still leaning toward SA writing the Zander Road address and KK adding TH's phone number (with nobody but KK knowing he had added it to the sign -- this was before any forensic analysis of SA's computer, so only SA would have known about his Zander Road searches -- KK casually mentions the sign at trial, saying he'll return to it later but never does). 

J Ferak has referenced Maribel caves park this past week. Check twitter; there is quite a bit of info being posted. The fire chief of Maribel was signed in at ASY several times . Once as the Maribel auto garage owner, another as a tow operator, and then as fire chief. SA's car was photographed in the Maribel fire department. Someone on twitter said this guy or a relative had connection to West Zander Road. 

John Ferak‏Verified account @johnferak Apr 27
2/2 Maribel Caves Park is five miles from Avery's. #MakingAMurderer
piece of woman's blue jeans - Colborn sent, Remiker joins him





Bobby Dassey's facebook page has a picture of Mike Osmunson posted during June 2005 with a baby deer he killed, so these guys definitely were poachers (image above).

The deer Bobby tagged on the morning of 11/4/2005 was poached by Bobby on 11/3/2005. It wasn't road kill. 

 Bobby killed the deer on 11/3 and got it tagged at a gas station on the morning of 11/4.

 The road kill story was a lie made up by Barb and Bobby to explain the deer hanging in the Dassey garage after Bobby and Barb found out that Lenk and Remiker had been snooping around the Avery property on the morning of 11/4.

But Bobby couldn't stick to the script.

Bobby testified that he strung up a deer hit by a vehicle on 11/3, the day Teresa Halbach went missing.

 A road kill deer was called into the police on the evening of 11/4 (if someone hits a deer they don't have to report it for a number of reasons).

Shortly after Steven and Bobby Dassey investigated lights near Chuck's place around 8 p.m. on 11/4, Barb reportedly comes home saying a deer was hit down the road. She calls the police that night so that Bobby can "claim" it (Brendan confirms this in his first interview: he says he heard it with Chuck over the radio on their way to Crivitz).

But the truth is, Bobby poached the deer on 11/3 and strung it up in Barb's garage that afternoon/evening.

November 3rd is the night that Steven went to Menard's with Chuck (just after Andy Colborn stopped by the salvage yard and asked him about missing person Teresa Halbach).

This is 100% impeaching Bobby. He is lying about the deer being road kill. Bobby poached the deer on 11/3. Barb and Bobby had to come up with an explanation for the deer strung up in his garage after (1) Colborn stopped by the salvage yard inquiring about Teresa, and (2) Lenk and Remiker snooped around the Avery property on the morning of 11/4.

On November 4, Friday, at 10:30 AM, Lenk and Remiker went to Avery Auto Salvage at the request of Mark Wiegert. They "got lost" looking for Steven Avery's trailer. They walked around Steven's and Barb's home, with nobody being home at either place.

In Zellner's August 9, 2018 reply to state, the "motion to compel," there is an exhibit for Barb's November 6, 2005 statement about Bobby claiming a road kill that she spotted on her way home on the evening of November 4th (image below).



Barb and Bobby keep adding more details to this story every time they recount it. The brain doesn’t work that way. You don’t remember “extra” details about something that happened more than a decade ago. No. You get the story straight when it first happened. Their need to keep adding “believe me” details today is a sign of desperation that they know the truth is about to surface.

You prove Bobby is lying about the deer being road kill, and you have now raised doubt about everything he has just said.

If Bobby is lying about the deer incident, then it's reasonable to assume he is lying about other things, such as watching Teresa walk toward Steven's trailer on 10/31.

Why would Teresa Halbach have been walking toward Steven Avery's trailer if she thought Barb made the request? Why not knock on the Dassey door? It was Barb's number she called that day, and Barb's name on the photo request.

Teresa saw the van, which she knew was the vehicle to be photographed. She took her pictures. And by that time Steven Avery had come out to meet her, just as he said, with money in hand to pay her. That's why she didn't knock on Barb's door.

Barb and Bobby are making up stories about how they obtained the deer and when. What advantage is there for Bobby and Barb to lie about the deer? Why didn't Bobby tell a story with her in it. Why was his story so different? Instead, it evolved to Mike telling a joke on November 10 about burying a body with Steven Avery.

All Bobby had to do was stick with Barb's script. He didn't come close. Why was he all over the place with his story?

The simple answer to this is POACHING. It addresses varying stories and dates, it even addresses why they didn't mind tossing roadkill in the back of the Blazer. Poaching can incur some really hefty fines and punishments. And, along with possible child porn...I can see why, even to today, they don't want to tell the truth.








Q. Now, Bobby, on the third of November, that would be a Thursday, I believe, do you recall having a conversation with your Uncle Steven regarding a body?

A. Yes.

Q. Could you tell us what your Uncle Steven told you that day?

A. Well, my buddy, Mike, was over too, and he asked us, it sounded like he was joking, honestly, he asked us if we wanted to help get rid of a body.

Q. Your Uncle Steven asked you if you wanted to help get rid of a body?

A. Yeah.

Q. What was your response?

A. "No."

Attorney Dean Strang's Motion for a Mistrial:

"Michael indicated the only time he had been at the Avery property between 10/31/05 and 11/14/05 was on Thursday, 11/10/05. He stated he and Bobby were inside the Dassey garage when Steven came over. Michael indicated he was aware Steven was one of the last people to see the missing girl, and jokingly asked Steven if Steven had her (the missing girl) in a closet. At this point Steven asked Michael if Michael wanted to 'help bury the body,' and they laughed about this together. Michael stated he had just learned about the missing girl on the Tuesday prior to that. He once again indicated he thought Steven might have been the last one to see the missing girl."

End of the relevant paragraph.

Although the following one sentence paragraph says, "According to Michael, Steven stated people go missing all the time and this girl may have left or may, quote, have left for Mexico. Period, close quote.

Now, although we have been told that Bobby is in the garage at the same time, there is no indication that Bobby overhears the statement. Moreover, there was a different context for the statement laid out here than what Bobby gave. That is, Michael himself is joking with Steven, jesting with him about having the girl in the closet. This is clearly a joking response to the jest.

We have "help bury the body," instead of "help get rid of the body." But, most significant of all, this conversation clearly takes place on Thursday, November 10, 2005, not Thursday, November 3, 2005. And Michael Osmunson says he had just learned about the missing girl on the Tuesday prior to that.

Well, that has to be on Tuesday, November 8th, because on November 1st, no one had reported Teresa Halbach missing.

I was not concerned about Michael Osmunson being a witness in this case. Why? Because Steven Avery was arrested on November 9, 2005, and he has been continuously in custody since then, and was not in the Dassey garage or Janda garage or anyone else's garage on Thursday, November 10, 2005.

Now we have a different witness, to whom this statement has never been attributed, of which we have no summary identifying him as someone who overheard the statement, or identifying a statement, as having been Bobby Dassey, as the individual identified, or critically identifying, the statement as having been made on November 3rd, as a time when Steven Avery was not in custody, was at home or in the salvage yard property, and the implication is this may have been before Teresa Halbach even is reported missing.

In large part, that implication arises because we didn't have the joke that was made to Steven Avery as the precursor of this. So, what I'm left with is this jury having heard testimony from the first blood relative of Mr. Avery to testify here, his nephew and next-door neighbor, that amounts to a confession of a crime, and under the circumstances, although, technically, because Bobby is listed in the report of contact with Michael Osmunson, technically, the discovery statute here may have been complied with.

I have not looked at the case law under the discovery statutes, but, setting that aside, this comes as an unfair surprise. It's materially different than the summary or the statement of which we have been given notice. 

There is no way to unwind this from the juror's minds. It has enormous unfair prejudicial impact. I can think of no remedy, short of asking for a mistrial, on the introduction of this testimony by the State on the direct examination of Bobby Dassey, without having been invited by the defense, or the defense otherwise having opened the door, or done anything to which you could say this would be an invited response. I move, therefore, for a mistrial on the grounds I have explained.

Cross Examination of Bobby Dassey by Dean Strang:

Q. Now, yesterday, Mr. Kratz asked you about a conversation that happened in your garage, with  a -- your friend Mike was there?

A. Yes.

Q. Is Mike, Mike Osmunson? 

A. Yes.

Q. Or Michael Osmunson, but you call him Mike?

A. Yes.

Q. How do you know you were in the garage, your garage, when this conversation happened?

A. Because we just arrived home and we entered the garage.

Q. What was going on in the garage?

A. We bought some climbing sticks that night for hunting and we were putting them together.

Q. Climbing sticks are little sticky pads you put on the rungs to climb up a deer stand?

A. Yes.

Q. So your boots don't slip and you fall off and break your neck?

A. Yes.

Q. You were doing that with Mike in the garage.

A. Yes.

Q. Roughly what time, do you remember, you guys were doing this?

A. Probably 6:30, 7:00.

Q. Somewhere in that range?

A. Yes.

Q. And was there a deer? 

A. Yes. 

Q. Okay. What was -- This was a deer that was hanging at that point?

A. Yes.

Q. In the garage. Was the deer skun out? 

A. No, not at that time. 

Q. The time of this conversation had not been skinned yet?

A. Yes.

Q. Or had been?

A. It hadn't.

Q. When did you get this deer? 

A. That night. 

Q. And how long or how did you get the deer? 

A. It was a road kill. It was hit right up the road from our house.  

What Does it Mean When Bobby's Deer Head was in the Garage, not Dismembered on the Side of the Garage?
By seekingtruthforgood, TickTockManitowoc)
April 25, 2019

At issue is the condition of the dead deer in Barb's garage when photographed by law enforcement versus the condition as described by Bobby during his recorded interview with Dedering and Special Agent Heimerl on November 9.

First, here's the photograph of the deer taken by law enforcement: https://imgur.com/Z1suvBs.

This photo is trial exhibit 123. From the photo, one can see the deer is laying on the garage floor. The tag is dated November 4.

These are important details because John Ferak, per his footnote (12) in Wrecking Crew, cited audio excerpts from Bobby's interview (this audio, btw, was requested via a FOIA request, but the request was denied due to the current disposition of the case.) However, a limited written summary of this interview can be found in CASO, page 195.

Excluded from CASO, but included within the audio version, Ferak wrote that Bobby stated the head of the deer was located on the side of the garage. This is incredibly odd because, as demonstrated by law enforcement's photo, the head of the deer was still fully intact with the body.

Timeline wise, this discrepancy raises questions:


  1. Did law enforcement take the photo of the deer on November 4th but never write a report?
  2. Was Bobby at his house processing the deer on the 5th, after law enforcement took the photo (again, no report)?
  3. Was Bobby allowed back on scene to process the deer on another date after the photo was taken but before his interview on the 9th?
  4. Or, alternatively, was the head of the deer located on the side of the garage related to yet a different deer? Really? So, who got that deer?
  5. Where is the follow up documentation with the butcher related to what may have been another deer?
  6. Being Bobby was potentially in possession of a 2nd deer, why wasn't the presence of burned animal bones, along with human bones, incredibly troubling for law enforcement?
  7. So, before blood work was completed, law enforcement was processing a scene which included mixed human and animal bones in Dassey's burn barrel and blood, never tested, all over Dassey's garage.

Here is an except from Wrecking Crew (Kindle, Location 256):

"One would think that an astute detective investigating a young woman’s apparent murder would have a natural curiosity about such a coincidence. “How long had you been hanging the deer, Bobby?” Dedering asked. (12)

“Since Friday night,” Bobby answered, referring to November 4.

“Who hit the deer, you know?”

“No.” Bobby suggested he found the deer “right up the road.”

“OK again, who claimed the deer?”

“I did. I trussed and hung it up that Saturday.”

“Who skinned it?”

“I did.”

After asking what Bobby did with the deer skin, Dedering, the bumbling detective from Calumet County, blurted out, “shows how much I’ve been in your garage, doesn’t it?”

At that moment, Dedering’s interview partner, Wisconsin DCI Special Agent Kevin Heimerl, made an observation.

“It sounds to me like you’ve skinned and butchered your own deer before?”

“Yeah,” Bobby agreed.

“What would you normally do with the hide then?”

“We took them into town.”

“Oh, OK.”

Then Dedering wondered if the local butcher shop accepted deer heads.

“No. We just burn them,” Bobby answered. “Over in the burning barrel.”

At that point, Dedering admitted he wasn’t familiar with Bobby’s yard even though it was just a short walking distance from Steven Avery’s trailer.

“In the burning barrels?” Dedering wondered.

“Uh-huh,” Bobby agreed.

The conversation shifted back to Avery’s skills as a hunter and rugged outdoorsman.

“He doesn’t hunt that much,” Bobby replied.

When Heimerl asked whether the deer’s head still existed, Bobby responded by saying that the head was still right side of his mother’s garage.

“So which burn barrel do you guys normally burn the heads up?” Dedering asked.

“Uh, ours. This is the first one that we actually got our family … the other one we took in to the butcher.”

“Describe to me again, Bobby, where you hunt?” Dedering inquired. “How far is that from your house?”

His hunting spot was about two-and-a-half miles from home, he responded.

Dedering wondered whether Bobby knew the land owner in northern Manitowoc County.

“I don’t know.” “But you know, what’s his name, Scott Tadych?”

“Tadych,” Bobby answered.

Bobby was asked if he and Tadych, the soon-to-be husband of Bobby’s mother, hunted together.

“No. That’s the first day actually that I hunted.”"

Footnote: 12. Bobby Dassey Nov. 9, 2005 interview with John Dedering and Kevin Heimerl.

Bobby and the 10/31/2005 Hand-off Call 
By magilla39, TickTockManitowoc
July 14, 2018

(1) CASO page 252: "OSMUNSON (MICHAEL's mom) states her son, MICHAEL, and BOBBY DASSEY, go goose and deer hunting together and she stated this is usually behind the OSMUNSON property."

(2) CASO page 259: MICHAEL O. on 11/14/2005 says he saw Steven on 11/10/2005, when he was in custody. MICHAEL tells the "burying the body joke" story to LE. MICHAEL says Bobby saw a big fire on 11/01 or 11/02. MICHAEL O. seems to be steering LE toward Steven.

(3) CASO page 516: Interview of BRYAN DASSEY on 02/27/06. BOBBY repeating the Steven joke to BRYAN. "I asked BRYAN if he could remember anything strange that had stuck out in his mind during that time or after Halloween. He said the incident when BOBBY had hung the deer in his mom's garage. BRYAN said he did not hear it directly from STEVEN, however, BOBBY had told him a couple of months ago when BOBBY and his friend, MICHAEL OSMUNSON, were hanging the deer, STEVEN made the comment that he needed help getting rid of a body."

(4) Brendan Dassey Interview by Baldwin, 11/05/2005: BRENDAN tells Detective Baldwin that Bobby always goes goose hunting with Mike O. at 3:00 pm, and that's where he was on 10/31/2005.

Detective Baldwin: W-who was home at your house on Monday?
BRENDAN: Just Bobby.
Detective Baldwin: Just Bobby was home? And what, how long was he home?
BRENDAN: 'till ah 3:00.
Detective Baldwin: 3:00.
BRENDAN: Then he went huntin'
Detective Baldwin: Bow huntin', or
BRENDAN: Goose hunting.
Detective Baldwin: Goose hunting.
BRENDAN: With his friend.
Detective Baldwin: With his friend. What's his friends name?
BRENDAN: Mike Osmunson.
[...]
Detective Baldwin: So when he wakes up, he gets up to go goose huntin' at 3:00?
BRENDAN: Yeah.
Detective Baldwin: He sa, he told you he went at 3:00 or did you see him go, oh no you were at school yet. He told you he went at three?
BRENDAN: He always does that everyday.
Detective Baldwin: Every day he goes at 3:00 o'clock goose huntin'?
BRENDAN: Yeah.







On July 6, 2018, Kathleen Zellner filed a "Motion to Supplement Previously-filed Motion for Post-conviction Relief."

In it Zellner states:
Mr. Avery is entitled to an evidentiary hearing on whether the withheld CD constitutes a Brady violation that entitles him to a new trial... Mr. Avery has presented this court with sufficient allegations of a Brady violation that meet the Kyles standard that the absence of the CD evidence deprived Mr. Avery of a fair trial, meaning a trial resulting in a verdict worthy of confidence... Confidence in Mr. Avery's verdict is undermined because of the suppression of material evidence contained on the CD, which could have been used to impeach Bobby's trial testimony as the State's primary witness and also to have established him as a third-party Denny suspect, because the CD would have supported a sexual assault motive for the murder of Ms. Halbach.
Included as an exhibit in the July 6, 2018 motion is a June 25, 2018 affidavit from Blaine Dassey. He asserts that under pressure from "authorities" for the State of Wisconsin he lied at Avery's trial.

Blaine also states that he saw his brother Bobby heading eastbound on highway 147 in a greenish or bluish vehicle on October 31, 2005 (Blaine was on his way home, heading westbound in a school bus on highway 147, around 3:30-3:40 PM, when he passed Bobby going in the opposite direction).



Blaine clarified on youtube.com that Bobby was driving a Ford Ranger when he saw him heading eastbound on highway 147 around 3:30-3:40 PM on October 31, 2005 (a screenshot was pasted to facebook: see image above).



At the time of Teresa Halbach's disappearance on October 31, 2005, Scott Tadych drove a green Ford Ranger with a cap, similar to the one in the photo below (toward the end of Making A Murderer episode 9, just after Barb's meltdown outside the courthouse, you can see Scott walking to his truck, without the cap, which is parked by some SUVs).

 

Bobby purchased a blue Ford Ranger in 2006 or later.

https://imgur.com/a/hIvsWnT

 

Also included as an exhibit in the July 6, 2018 motion is a new affidavit from Steven Avery, and in it he states that he believes both Bobby and Scott are involved in the murder of Teresa Halbach.

In November 2017, Zellner told Rolling Stone magazine:
I ask myself what would motivate Tadych and Bobby to be such obstructionists and I have reached the inevitable conclusion, as our court filings state, that they were involved in the crime and Barb, was and is involved, even unwittingly, in its coverup. … Tadych thinks he can intimidate us into looking away, but he has only succeeded in placing himself front and center in our investigation. Quite frankly, he is no match for our abilities, experience, resources or boundless commitment to freeing Steven Avery.




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